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Carry the cap space over to the next year, until an elite guys gets interested in joining.

Let the young kids develop!

Kawhi Leonard- Raptors

Durant - Knicks

Irving- Nets

Horford- Clippers

Thompson- Warriors

Walker- Lakers

Russell- Wolves

Butler- Sixers

Harris - Nets

Saying the Nets aren't a big enough stage to justify leaving GSW. Only the Mecca is. But, the whole Mecca thing is just a Knicks fan invention.

In comment 14481080 adamg said:

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Saying the Nets aren't a big enough stage to justify leaving GSW. Only the Mecca is. But, the whole Mecca thing is just a Knicks fan invention.

no its not, if it was a fab invention, then why does every player say it

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Kenneth Smith, a 6-3 guard, has committed to playing summer league with the Knicks, per SNY sources. Smith averaged 9 points, 7 assists and 1.6 steals per game for Grand Rapids in the G League last year.

I wouldn't be upset if they did sign him, but I also wouldn't do it if it were me.

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I wouldn't be upset if they did sign him, but I also wouldn't do it if it were me.

I'm all in favor of taking the risk and maxing out Durant but I will say that the achilles injury certainly takes the sting out if he signs elsewhere.

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Mitchell Robinson will play "at least two games" with the Knicks summer league team in Las Vegas, according to a source close to the young center.

Additional league sources confirm that Robinson is expected to be joined by both Kevin Knox and Allonzo Trier

Way too much risk.

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Kawhi Leonard- Raptors Durant - Knicks Irving- Nets Horford- Clippers Thompson- Warriors Walker- Lakers Russell- Wolves Butler- Sixers Harris - Nets

Guy I know who is a writer said the feeling is Leonard or Thompson leaving would be absolutely shocking.

Thing but I think you have to do t if he will sign.

know Bondy is hated on here but he claims if the Knicks don't sign Leonard/Durant/Irving types they will mostly sit out FA and not chase the tier 2 (Randle etc).

Durant + another year of tanking/rebuilding/developing is the best of the remaining options. That Durant injury still pisses me off. Get through one more damn game and a healthy KD reports to training camp (at whatever location).

In comment 14481094 Tony in Berlin said:

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Way too much risk.

To me the reward far outweighs the risk? And I�m curious what the real risk is? Do you think he�ll never play again or won�t be a good player?

And if they don�t use the cap space on him, who are they using it on?

I understand it�s not ideal but this is Kevin Durant we are talking about. If he wants to come you sign him and don�t think twice.

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know Bondy is hated on here but he claims if the Knicks don't sign Leonard/Durant/Irving types they will mostly sit out FA and not chase the tier 2 (Randle etc).

Fine by me. Shooting for a 40ish win team does nothing for me.

even though it scares the shit out of me.

Whats the deal with only playing robinson 2 games. Is this it get other kids more burn? Are we worried about wearing him down in July. He still needs to work on a ton of things.

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In comment 14481101 DanMetroMan said: Quote: know Bondy is hated on here but he claims if the Knicks don't sign Leonard/Durant/Irving types they will mostly sit out FA and not chase the tier 2 (Randle etc). Fine by me. Shooting for a 40ish win team does nothing for me.

Same here Greg. I realize next years crop isn't very good but keep signing "former busts" and value signings and draft well. Accumulate assets.

then that is 100% the right call. Look id like to see a competitive team next year, but im ok with another shit show and trying to build a real contender and not the 5 seed.

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know Bondy is hated on here but he claims if the Knicks don't sign Leonard/Durant/Irving types they will mostly sit out FA and not chase the tier 2 (Randle etc).

Thank God. I think this would be the sign the FO has finally turned it around.

kyrie would still go to the nets, just doesnt make sense

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even though it scares the shit out of me. Whats the deal with only playing robinson 2 games. Is this it get other kids more burn? Are we worried about wearing him down in July. He still needs to work on a ton of things.

probably at least 2 games, see how he is and then go from there

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even though it scares the shit out of me. Whats the deal with only playing robinson 2 games. Is this it get other kids more burn? Are we worried about wearing him down in July. He still needs to work on a ton of things.

The 2nd year players are volunteering to play. Robinson is heavily involved in kids camps etc so I'm sure it's mostly a scheduling thing.

It still allows us to tank one more year. That would be four straight years of losing and top 10 picks - if we don't have some semblance of a young nucleus by then, we're likely screwed long-term anyway.

"Knox and Trier have yet to determine how many games they will play."

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is gonna score 30 in one of these Summer League games and get us all excited.

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It still allows us to tank one more year. That would be four straight years of losing and top 10 picks - if we don't have some semblance of a young nucleus by then, we're likely screwed long-term anyway.

What your risking is a max slot for a guy who in year 1 will be on your bench by year 2 Hell be 32 coming off a majory injury and possibly a shell of his former self. So then you have to try and build around that? It�s a major risk and not one I would make.

I'd still sign Durant. It's a unique opportunity that would allow us another developmental year for Knox, Mitch and now RJ (also Trier) - we'd still be a lotto team.

Get another good draft pick, have the kids come into the following year with more experience, then see if AD still wants to stay in LA after what will probably be a disappointing year there. If he's not an option, we'll still have some cap money to play with and can beef up the roster.

Even if Durant is like 90% of the player he was before, he'll still be one of the best players in the league. I don't think it's that much of a risk; and if it is, I'm comfortable taking it.

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In comment 14481122 bceagle05 said: Quote: It still allows us to tank one more year. That would be four straight years of losing and top 10 picks - if we don't have some semblance of a young nucleus by then, we're likely screwed long-term anyway. What your risking is a max slot for a guy who in year 1 will be on your bench by year 2 Hell be 32 coming off a majory injury and possibly a shell of his former self. So then you have to try and build around that? It�s a major risk and not one I would make.

Well, even that "risk" is just Dolan's money and it's potential to be spent elsewhere. It's not clear that we have great candidates to spend Dolan's money on, aside from the injured KD.

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In comment 14481080 adamg said: Quote: Saying the Nets aren't a big enough stage to justify leaving GSW. Only the Mecca is. But, the whole Mecca thing is just a Knicks fan invention. no its not, if it was a fab invention, then why does every player say it

I was being sarcastic 16. Referring to the Nets fans hating on MSG in the other thread...

In comment 14481127 bceagle05 said:

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is gonna score 30 in one of these Summer League games and get us all excited.

I was told both Hinton and VJ King (despite the terrible numbers) were both viewed as having "NBA upside. Cavanaugh was actually "not bad" as a rookie with the Jazz so presumably, he's one to watch to make the roster as well. I don't know anything about Lamar Peters

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Way too much risk.

Agree, it's far to risky. The odds are he will never return to be the player he once was. It would be typical Knicks to sign him to the max only have to deal with another aging star who is just a shadow if his past self.

They need to go another course.

In comment 14481133 arcarsenal said:

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I'd still sign Durant. It's a unique opportunity that would allow us another developmental year for Knox, Mitch and now RJ (also Trier) - we'd still be a lotto team. Get another good draft pick, have the kids come into the following year with more experience, then see if AD still wants to stay in LA after what will probably be a disappointing year there. If he's not an option, we'll still have some cap money to play with and can beef up the roster. Even if Durant is like 90% of the player he was before, he'll still be one of the best players in the league. I don't think it's that much of a risk; and if it is, I'm comfortable taking it.

Jalen Rose dismissed injury concerns for KD. Said Cousins came back fine, and would expect KD's finesse game to be less affected by injury anyway.

at 80% he is still worth the max and is still one of the greatest players in the world.

even put my finger on it (because the numbers are strong) but Randle really scares me given the likely huge contract he gets. Seems like the kind of "very solid" player where the numbers look better than his value to a big time team and you're locked in at "big time" player prices.

Barrett keeps saying how much he's improved since the season ended, especially with his jumpshot, so I'm excited to see how Barrett, Knox, Mitch and Trier do.

Who's gonna be the starting PG? Will they start Peters? Will they try Trier at Point?

I'd like him at point

Just the type of game Durant plays - he's such an elite shooter; I have a really hard time seeing money spent on him being "bad" - especially when you consider some of the other guys in this landscape who are netting max contracts.

Unless he gets re-injured, I feel pretty comfortable in thinking he'll still be an excellent player when he gets back.

it helps legitimize us again. And i doubt it would hurt having him around all the young kids on this team.

Durant and Kyrie have reportedly met twice recently to �discuss their desire to continue their careers on the same team�

League exec also says KD is �really pissed off at the Warriors� following his Achilles injury, per @RicBucher

I keep coming back to the KD quote �I can�t be recruited�. Isn�t that exactly what it�ll look like if he signs with the Nets along with Kyrie?
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He's a UFA now and there is very little buzz about him because the evidence is he is not the same guy.

The game of saying 'so and so will be great even if he's 75 percent' never works. The margins of success are extremely small.

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I keep coming back to the KD quote �I can�t be recruited�. Isn�t that exactly what it�ll look like if he signs with the Nets along with Kyrie? Link - ( New Window )

I agree. It sounds like if KD is having his druthers, it's the Knicks. If it's Kyrie, it's the Nets. But I would think KD gets to call the shots.

Cousins and Durant are also different players who play different games. Cousins is a good player; but he's not on KD's planet.

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He's a UFA now and there is very little buzz about him because the evidence is he is not the same guy. The game of saying 'so and so will be great even if he's 75 percent' never works. The margins of success are extremely small.

He was playing with KD, Curry, and Klay. It makes sense he wouldn't get 25 a game. Rose was saying he expects Cousins to put up numbers this year, now that Klay and KD are out.

Whether he ever does anything with that talent, I have no idea, but it's there. If the lightbulb ever went on for him, he could be a damned good player.

not sure why all of a sudden its the Nets. Is it cause Kyrie changed his mind? Would KD be willing to change his just to play with Kyrie. I mean who knows what these guys are thinking..

Knicks all season long was largely driven by media types, talk shows etc because mentioning "Knicks" equals ratings, clicks etc. We Knicks fans are addicted to hopes & dreams at this point.

It also just so happens that the whole legacy/narrative play works if you mesh KD + MSG. According to everyone he NEEDS to win elsewhere to legitimize his legacy and the Knicks just so happen to have cap space, a competent front office and the largest market possible.

It all makes sense. I just hope KD sees it that way.

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Knicks all season long was largely driven by media types, talk shows etc because mentioning "Knicks" equals ratings, clicks etc. We Knicks fans are addicted to hopes & dreams at this point. It also just so happens that the whole legacy/narrative play works if you mesh KD + MSG. According to everyone he NEEDS to win elsewhere to legitimize his legacy and the Knicks just so happen to have cap space, a competent front office and the largest market possible. It all makes sense. I just hope KD sees it that way.

You really think Durant to the Knicks was media driven for ratings? The injury definitely changes things, but I don't see how you can deny theres substance behind all these reports. He's obviously interested.

but the injury may have him reconsidering. When it comes to KD and Kyrie, KD should be calling the shots but the injury may mean that he needs Kyrie (or more help) than he would've otherwise.

that signing Durant would get us the same player, just one year later. I believe it won�t. Signing a 31 year old with a torn achilles is way too risky. What about year three to five of that contract? Do you really believe he�ll return at close to 90 percent and henceforth stay injury-free? I don�t.

Knicks should pass on KD. There's too much risk with that injury at his age, especially given the money he wants.

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that signing Durant would get us the same player, just one year later. I believe it won�t. Signing a 31 year old with a torn achilles is way too risky. What about year three to five of that contract? Do you really believe he�ll return at close to 90 percent and henceforth stay injury-free? I don�t.

would only be a 4 year deal

You are essentially signing him for 3 years at ages 32-34. Do you really think he's going to fall off that dramatically? Will he lose his ability to shoot or be 7ft tall? Because even if he loses his elite ability to finish and defend, he's still going to score 20-25 points a game efficiently. And I don't see him falling off that dramatically.

And whats the alternative? Sign Julius Randle for 20-25 mill a year? A role player like Brogdon 20 million a year or more? Tobias Harris 4 years for 141 million?

I'll take my chances on an all time immortal player regaining his form. I just thinks it more likely he recovers to an all nba level than his career being over or that greatly diminished where hes a bad contract...

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not sure why all of a sudden its the Nets. Is it cause Kyrie changed his mind? Would KD be willing to change his just to play with Kyrie. I mean who knows what these guys are thinking..

Knicks had the cap space all year long, so its an easy narrative. Nets made strides during the year folks were not expecting and then they just freed up more money to go after 2 max deals. No one thought the Nets would free up enough money to try and grab 2 max players. 3 weeks ago NY16 was telling Nets fans they had no chance of freeing up cap space to go after KD. Well, they did and now they are a player in FA

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In comment 14481165 Italianju said: Quote: not sure why all of a sudden its the Nets. Is it cause Kyrie changed his mind? Would KD be willing to change his just to play with Kyrie. I mean who knows what these guys are thinking.. Knicks had the cap space all year long, so its an easy narrative. Nets made strides during the year folks were not expecting and then they just freed up more money to go after 2 max deals. No one thought the Nets would free up enough money to try and grab 2 max players. 3 weeks ago NY16 was telling Nets fans they had no chance of freeing up cap space to go after KD. Well, they did and now they are a player in FA

Knicks did not have space for 2 spots all year long...

and nets still havnt cleared 2 max slots, they still have to let russell walk and they are still short of a kd and irving tandem

Those Durant odds make it seem like a done deal to the Nets. These Vegas guys know stuff. I don�t get it, he wants to have his own team and be known as the best. I don�t know if he realizes that no one in NY cares about the Nets. If he wins with the nets. I don�t think anyone in New York will care. If he wins in NY with the Knicks he will be recognized as a top 5 player all time, not saying it�s right or wrong it�s just how the media works. Media controls these debates. The narrative behind winning with the Knicks would be second to none.

I may direct message KD to make sure he understands that neither Knicks fans nor nets fans want Kyrie and that New York does not care about the nets and that there are no nets fans. The media in NY will criticize him for being soft and not accepting the challenge of playing the knicks.

I was sick of all the Nets BS. With their NBA trophy case at 0. I know ours isn�t much better but they make it seem like they have won 4 or 5. Prayers fellas for a good week. I�ll reserve comments later on if we sign anyone.

apparently looking to pair Horford/Kemba to go with Luka and KP. Toss in Kleber, Howard, Roby, THjr, Justin Jackson, Courtney Lee. Could be an interesting squad.

But how could they possibly add $70 million in salary can keep all of those players. That�s like saying knicks are going to sign kawhi, kd and Kyrie whole keeping there entire roster

does make it look like the Nets are where he is going. Never would have thought that. And i dont mean that as some offense to the nets fans, i mean im a mets fan if the money is equal i could never see someone choosing the mets over the yankees.

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But how could they possibly add $70 million in salary can keep all of those players. That�s like saying knicks are going to sign kawhi, kd and Kyrie whole keeping there entire roster

Outside of KP and Luka the others are filler outside of the 2 big FA's. They clearly plan on adding those 2 to the 2 "stars" they already have. Currently have 30 million to spend.
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does make it look like the Nets are where he is going. Never would have thought that. And i dont mean that as some offense to the nets fans, i mean im a mets fan if the money is equal i could never see someone choosing the mets over the yankees.

I can't recall a time it's ever happened and it would have to be an extremely unusual situation like A-Rod growing up a big Met fan and wanting to be a Met.

of a gamble. Whats a bigger gamble? Durant or sucking enough to A. get in the lottery. B. Winning it (17 wins this year didn't get it done) AND C. Actually having a generational star available.
You know what I'll bet on modern medicine and Durant regaining his form in his early 30's...
because there is not a FA waiting to come here in the next season or two.

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KD is something else.

In comment 14481219 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14481214 jestersdead said: Quote: In comment 14481165 Italianju said: Quote: not sure why all of a sudden its the Nets. Is it cause Kyrie changed his mind? Would KD be willing to change his just to play with Kyrie. I mean who knows what these guys are thinking.. Knicks had the cap space all year long, so its an easy narrative. Nets made strides during the year folks were not expecting and then they just freed up more money to go after 2 max deals. No one thought the Nets would free up enough money to try and grab 2 max players. 3 weeks ago NY16 was telling Nets fans they had no chance of freeing up cap space to go after KD. Well, they did and now they are a player in FA Knicks did not have space for 2 spots all year long... and nets still havnt cleared 2 max slots, they still have to let russell walk and they are still short of a kd and irving tandem

I never said Knicks had 2 spots all year. Said, they had cap space all year to go after KD. Once they traded Porzingis and others it opened up the opportunity to get 2 max deals. Yes, the Nets have a couple minor things to do to offer KD and Kyrie max deals but they cleared spaced you said wasn't possible and essentially took them out of the running for KD.

No one knows where he is going but to assume the Nets don't have a chance, b/c you are a Knick fan is the same as what you mock Nets fans for. Maybe you have a source inside the organization that will back your reasons but as of now, both NY teams have a chance

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In comment 14481219 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14481214 jestersdead said: Quote: In comment 14481165 Italianju said: Quote: not sure why all of a sudden its the Nets. Is it cause Kyrie changed his mind? Would KD be willing to change his just to play with Kyrie. I mean who knows what these guys are thinking.. Knicks had the cap space all year long, so its an easy narrative. Nets made strides during the year folks were not expecting and then they just freed up more money to go after 2 max deals. No one thought the Nets would free up enough money to try and grab 2 max players. 3 weeks ago NY16 was telling Nets fans they had no chance of freeing up cap space to go after KD. Well, they did and now they are a player in FA Knicks did not have space for 2 spots all year long... and nets still havnt cleared 2 max slots, they still have to let russell walk and they are still short of a kd and irving tandem I never said Knicks had 2 spots all year. Said, they had cap space all year to go after KD. Once they traded Porzingis and others it opened up the opportunity to get 2 max deals. Yes, the Nets have a couple minor things to do to offer KD and Kyrie max deals but they cleared spaced you said wasn't possible and essentially took them out of the running for KD. No one knows where he is going but to assume the Nets don't have a chance, b/c you are a Knick fan is the same as what you mock Nets fans for. Maybe you have a source inside the organization that will back your reasons but as of now, both NY teams have a chance

actually knicks didnt have space for kd all season they were short until the kp trade for even 1 max...

and when did i say the nets have no chance? i said they have to make a lot of moves to get 2 max slots and i sais they have no shot at 2 max slots WITH russell...

but KD/Kyrie signing with the Nets is going to be an embarrassment for the Knicks franchise. No way around it. Perry, Mills and Fizdale have been kissing the asses of players and agents all year - gonna be rough if they get shut out. I know we'll talk ourselves into the youth movement and Kyrie's craziness and Durant's health, but it's still a huge blow.

To giving KD a contract.

If you dont get one of the available guys this year, theres no telling when a player of that caliber will ever be available again.

If KD comes back healthy, you're a title contender. If he doesnt, you're not. And if he's not on the roster at all, you're still not. Theres nothing I can forsee the Knicks doing in the next 3-5 years that makes them a contender. You're not going to draft and develop your way to becoming the spurs. It will be years of hoping to win the top pick in a year where there's a franchise-changer available.

The only way I turn down KD is if it's a sign and trade and GS wants to strip the Knicks to the foundation.

When the Season starts there are only 10 net posts on a thread in a month but on every Knick thread you have to post about the Nets. Who cares!

is most likely (based on vegas) to go to the Nets then they will prolly get mentioned on the thread. Just a hunch.

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When the Season starts there are only 10 net posts on a thread in a month but on every Knick thread you have to post about the Nets. Who cares!

Yeah we heard you the first time. Unfortunately the Nets are a better franchise and are in prime position to sign free agents we want. Free agency talk will include them. Should we just hang a banner at the Garden that states we have the bigger fan base? Will that make Knicks fans feel better? It means nothing.

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The Nets are exploring the feasibility of signing Kevin Durant's close friend DeAndre Jordan in free agency, league sources say, in hopes that would make the prospect of teaming up in Brooklyn with Kyrie Irving even more enticing to Durant

by adding KD's mother to the coaching staff.

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine The Nets are exploring the feasibility of signing Kevin Durant's close friend DeAndre Jordan in free agency, league sources say, in hopes that would make the prospect of teaming up in Brooklyn with Kyrie Irving even more enticing to Durant

how is that even possible?

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In comment 14481288 hitdog42 said: Quote: Marc Stein @TheSteinLine The Nets are exploring the feasibility of signing Kevin Durant's close friend DeAndre Jordan in free agency, league sources say, in hopes that would make the prospect of teaming up in Brooklyn with Kyrie Irving even more enticing to Durant how is that even possible?

the exception i think? and hope he takes that? really dont fully know the economics of all of what they trying to do-

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine The Nets are exploring the feasibility of signing Kevin Durant's close friend DeAndre Jordan in free agency, league sources say, in hopes that would make the prospect of teaming up in Brooklyn with Kyrie Irving even more enticing to Durant

Missing pt2 of his tweet:

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The Knicks, of course, hung onto DeAndre Jordan after acquiring him from Dallas in the Porzingis blockbuster in February and have shown interest in re-signing Jordan depending on how the roster shakes out -- interest that naturally rises if Durant chooses Madison Square Garden

exception or at the minimum.

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In comment 14481294 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14481288 hitdog42 said: Quote: Marc Stein @TheSteinLine The Nets are exploring the feasibility of signing Kevin Durant's close friend DeAndre Jordan in free agency, league sources say, in hopes that would make the prospect of teaming up in Brooklyn with Kyrie Irving even more enticing to Durant how is that even possible? the exception i think? and hope he takes that? really dont fully know the economics of all of what they trying to do-

he is not taking 5 million

If KD goes to the Nets, that would just be bizarre. It's like he gives no shits about the media, yet he's the guy with all the burner accounts. Just a weird dude.

He's a snake for going to GSW and getting the easy chip. Now, the media are setting him up to redeem himself by redeeming the Knicks, but he's going to go to BK? Just bizarre considering how much he apparently cares about his legacy.

for 10 million

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If the media has its way, they will find a way it is feasible for the Nets to sign Durant/Irving/DeAndre Jordan and Tobias Harris. If that is not enough, they will make Durant's brother dress up as Uncle Drew at all Nets home games.

I'm not sure when everybody jumped on the Nets bandwagon, but it has been bizarre.

Durant could sign there, but I cannot believe they are the favorites as of right now.

still wants to get paid at this point of his career I could see somebody offering him the full MLE. But if he wants to sign with one of the teams that go under the cap to sign a star, he's likely only getting the room exception which is much smaller. His game may have fallen off but he's not that old just yet.

They would have to renounce him to sign two max free agents like Kyrie and KD.

it would make no sense at all to leave the top team in the league, and take a risk, to go to the team with the worst attendance in the league. And the Nets had the worst attendance as a playoff team.

The Knicks were in the top 10 in attendance averaging just under a sell out to every game.

He leaves the Warriors not to chase a title, he has a couple of those, but to become a legend. Win with the Knicks, and you become a legend. Win with the Nets and you are Jason Kidd. Great BB player. Not a legend.

It has to be the Knicks or the Warriors.

It was in the context of saying 'my boy are both staying in GS'. He wasn't taking a shot at the Knicks. He was giving the normal, homer response to the dumb question of "where are Klay and KD going?"


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It was in the context of saying 'my boy are both staying in GS'. He wasn't taking a shot at the Knicks. He was giving the normal, homer response to the dumb question of "where are Klay and KD going?" Context Nak! - ( New Window )

Blame Marc Stein


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Speaking on @CNBC to promote his new book The Sixth Man, Golden State's @andre Iguodala -- who has better Warriors sources than most of us -- said this about the free-agent pursuit of Kevin Durant:

And he clarified, he meant, none of his boys were going to the Knicks, because they're both staying in GS. And he's probably right.

"Nobody" = KD and Klay

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It was in the context of saying 'my boy are both staying in GS'. He wasn't taking a shot at the Knicks. He was giving the normal, homer response to the dumb question of "where are Klay and KD going?" Context Nak! - ( New Window )

It's 2019. It hasn't/won't stop the masses from taking the quote out of context to actually mean something lol

Let's get some answers and move on with our lives.

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Portland is trading Evan Turner to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore, league source tells ESPN.

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn Portland is trading Evan Turner to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore, league source tells ESPN.

Why did ATL do that trade? Salaries cancel out. They must be getting a second round pick or two, no? Is Turner that close of a talent to Bazemore? I thought Bazemore was much better.

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In comment 14481397 Anakim said: Quote: Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn Portland is trading Evan Turner to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore, league source tells ESPN. Why did ATL do that trade? Salaries cancel out. They must be getting a second round pick or two, no? Is Turner that close of a talent to Bazemore? I thought Bazemore was much better.

Both players aren't very good. They must view Turner as a better fit for their team for some reason.

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In comment 14481438 adamg said: Quote: In comment 14481397 Anakim said: Quote: Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn Portland is trading Evan Turner to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore, league source tells ESPN. Why did ATL do that trade? Salaries cancel out. They must be getting a second round pick or two, no? Is Turner that close of a talent to Bazemore? I thought Bazemore was much better. Both players aren't very good. They must view Turner as a better fit for their team for some reason.

Turner is extremely well regarded off the court. Not saying Bazemore isn't (no idea) but it's a young team so I could see them valuing that aspect.

And he looks the Michelin Man.

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1142861338818932736

Remember Amare Stoudemire and his contract?

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Some NBA writer said in a WFAN interview "In the NBA, you are who you can guard." I hadn't thought of it that way before but it really was clarifying for me.

Guys like that may be lights-out shooters but if they can't guard anyone they're just seaglass, not diamonds in the rough. The flip side of that is Frank: He can't seem to do a damned thing on offense but he can guard pretty much anyone, so he's been able to stick around while he (hopefully) improves his shooting.

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of a gamble. Whats a bigger gamble? Durant or sucking enough to A. get in the lottery. B. Winning it (17 wins this year didn't get it done) AND C. Actually having a generational star available. You know what I'll bet on modern medicine and Durant regaining his form in his early 30's... because there is not a FA waiting to come here in the next season or two.

When Durant was healthy, the upside of signing him was obvious. Now that he's out for the entire coming season and it's uncertain what he'll be when he comes back, the logic changes. Now it's about signaling to the rest of the league that you are serious. It's about showing potential free agents that the organization isn't the mess it has been, that if they come to the Knicks there'll be other stars and elite players, and the organization really wants to win.

Plus you lock in the benefit of Durant in 2020-21 while still getting the benefit of tanking, more or less, in 2019-20.

Somebody long ago said that George Foster deserved more credit than he got for the Mets' 80s turnaround because he was the first guy who came voluntarily, and at the time they were a joke. (Literally a joke. Keith Hernandez said in an interview that when the Cardinals pulled up to Shea in the team bus in the early 80s and saw a big ad banner that said "The Magic is Back!," he and his teammates burst out laughing.) Foster underperformed in NY and had a sour split with the club, but his decision to come to the Mets mattered. Durant and the Knicks are in the same situation.

Durant > Foster but the current Knicks = early 80s Mets. We just hope Durant is better at basketball when he comes back than George Foster was at baseball during his tenure with the Mets.

The only way I want the Knicks to sign Kyrie is if Durant makes it a condition to sign with the Knicks.

Irving is hell on young players, is wacky with the media and is playing on 89 year old knees.

In fact, if the Knicks can�t get Durant or Leonard, I would prefer if they retain their space, signing vets who would take a one-year deal and build around RJ and the young players.

Knicks would get another lottery pick next year, and while the FA list is weak next season, there is no doubt a star or two will want out of some NBA team and then the Knicks could pounce.

Injury & all.

if he tore his Achilles yesterday? He should have at least another good three years left, correct?

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if he tore his Achilles yesterday? He should have at least another good three years left, correct?

If you have no quarterback, that wouldn't be the worst thing you could do.

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if he tore his Achilles yesterday? He should have at least another good three years left, correct?

Rodgers is 35. Durant is 30. And yes Rodgers would get a �Max� contract if he was a FA.

When did Durant become a washed up player in his late 30s? I understand the severity of the injury but he is a 30 year old at the top of the game.

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Remember Amare Stoudemire and his contract?

Amare Stoudemire's injury is different. That was a skeletal issue.

But what I mean by down side is this: if you dont sign him, it's the same as signing him and his health not working out. The Knicks will not be doing any serious contending without a player in his class. So swing for the fences. The worst case scenario is you're in the same place you're in right now. And there isnt a free agent that could have the same impact coming in the future.

Unless you want to get back on the treadmill and pretend Giannis will want a trade two years from now.

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In comment 14481540 Tony in Berlin said: Quote: Remember Amare Stoudemire and his contract? Amare Stoudemire's injury is different. That was a skeletal issue. But what I mean by down side is this: if you dont sign him, it's the same as signing him and his health not working out. The Knicks will not be doing any serious contending without a player in his class. So swing for the fences. The worst case scenario is you're in the same place you're in right now. And there isnt a free agent that could have the same impact coming in the future. Unless you want to get back on the treadmill and pretend Giannis will want a trade two years from now.

You're really underestimating the risks associated with surgery to repair an achilles.

Also, worst case scenario is worse than where we are now because we would lose the flexibility that we currently have.

You're also acting as if nothing will change from the current 6/25/19 NBA landscape. What if AD does hit free agency next season? What if Lillard or some other star asks for a trade? What if RJ Barrett turns into a star?

It's easy to sit her today and say there is no downside to signing Durant, but there is significant risk involved.

Agree to disagree. In your scenario I'd rather be bad with cap space than be bad and hamstrung with a major contract. Who know which FAs become available, maybe by trade. Look, no one knows how long it will take for Durant to come back and if he will ever regain his previous form.

I may be in the minority but I think signing him would be a classic Knicks move of getting the name but not the player. Look at the final years of Kobe: Great name but a shell of his former self. Now let's look at Durant. Assume he comes back more or less a year from now. When the 2020 season starts, he'll be 32 (born Sept. 29, 1988) and has three years left on a max contract. Do I trust that a 32 year old, with a LOT of mileage, after a year of injury absence and intense rehab, comes back as an allstar player? That he leads the Knicks to the promised land? And stays injury free at 33 and 34? That's a lot to base your whole free agency plan on.

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Agree to disagree. In your scenario I'd rather be bad with cap space than be bad and hamstrung with a major contract. Who know which FAs become available, maybe by trade. Look, no one knows how long it will take for Durant to come back and if he will ever regain his previous form. I may be in the minority but I think signing him would be a classic Knicks move of getting the name but not the player. Look at the final years of Kobe: Great name but a shell of his former self. Now let's look at Durant. Assume he comes back more or less a year from now. When the 2020 season starts, he'll be 32 (born Sept. 29, 1988) and has three years left on a max contract. Do I trust that a 32 year old, with a LOT of mileage, after a year of injury absence and intense rehab, comes back as an allstar player? That he leads the Knicks to the promised land? And stays injury free at 33 and 34? That's a lot to base your whole free agency plan on.

Additionally, the lead surgeon at HSS seems to think that the calf/achilles is a big red flag for Durant being prone to future injury.

I really don�t understand Knicks fan against signing him. There�s always risk with anything but in this scenario the reward is far greater.

Do you think he won�t recover and be able to play again? Do you think he will be that diminished that he won�t be worth a max contract? Because even if he loses 25% of his athleticism he�s still a Dirk Nowitzki type player.

I really don�t see a scenario where their money you�ll be spending on him could be better spent in the Knicks current situation. And the upside is having one of the greatest players ever ages 32-34.

I�d love to hear a better scenario or plan but I don�t see a realistic one. You�ll be waiting a long time until the Knicks have a legit chance at a player of his caliber.

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I really don�t understand Knicks fan against signing him. There�s always risk with anything but in this scenario the reward is far greater. Do you think he won�t recover and be able to play again? Do you think he will be that diminished that he won�t be worth a max contract? Because even if he loses 25% of his athleticism he�s still a Dirk Nowitzki type player. I really don�t see a scenario where their money you�ll be spending on him could be better spent in the Knicks current situation. And the upside is having one of the greatest players ever ages 32-34. I�d love to hear a better scenario or plan but I don�t see a realistic one. You�ll be waiting a long time until the Knicks have a legit chance at a player of his caliber.

I really don't understand Knicks fans talking down an injury as less significant than a leading doctor seems to think.

But that's what makes the world go round I suppose.

but it's a valid question if there's any better use of the cap space available to the Knicks. I can't think of a use that would have a higher reward than taking a chance on a comeback from Durant.

but let's acknowledge it has huge risk as well.

Knicks fans will be disappointed without the Durant signing is that pushes out any hope of a competitive team (ie top 4 in the east) for at least another 3 years. Durant at least provides hope for knicks fans and also provides a better opportunity for other players to want to play in nY. If they don�t sign anyone it will be on to the 2021 free agency which is even better than this year, but that is a little depressing. 2020 free agents are really bad. I am all for the rebuild the right way, but 2 more full years of a terrible team is tough. Chances are Perry fizdale and mills will be gone by then and whoever comes in will fill the need to make a splash right away.

The Knicks aren't winning anything this year (unless they beat the odds and sign Kawhi), so having Durant redshirt a year is irrelevant, and could actually be viewed as a positive because it allows the young guys a chance to develop, and most likely ends up with the team having another high draft pick next year.

Now you go into next season and view Durant as a new addition to the team on a 3 year contract. Even if he comes back at 80%, he's probably still an All-Star and worth what he's being paid. Either way, just having him on the team next summer makes the team much more likely to be able to attract a second star. In the worst case scenario where he can't recover from the injury and is a bum, you're only on the hook with him for 3 years and he comes off the books right as the young core is hitting their prime.

Which young kids have stepped up and can play and which ones we can live without. That�s the biggest positive.

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The Knicks aren't winning anything this year (unless they beat the odds and sign Kawhi), so having Durant redshirt a year is irrelevant, and could actually be viewed as a positive because it allows the young guys a chance to develop, and most likely ends up with the team having another high draft pick next year. Now you go into next season and view Durant as a new addition to the team on a 3 year contract. Even if he comes back at 80%, he's probably still an All-Star and worth what he's being paid. Either way, just having him on the team next summer makes the team much more likely to be able to attract a second star. In the worst case scenario where he can't recover from the injury and is a bum, you're only on the hook with him for 3 years and he comes off the books right as the young core is hitting their prime.

How are you guys reading the future? With what crystal ball?

Why can't the Knicks build a winner without Durant? No other younger stars will want to be traded? Barrett won't amount to anything?

One and sign some a bunch of guys to 1 year deals and play motly young guys, what is a realistic win total for the year?

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One and sign some a bunch of guys to 1 year deals and play motly young guys, what is a realistic win total for the year?

Depends on who the vets are and are they willing to be team players or are they just going to try and get theres

What does RJ do?

does knox take the next step?

does smith take the next step?

does robinson take the next step?

a lot of if's

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One and sign some a bunch of guys to 1 year deals and play motly young guys, what is a realistic win total for the year?

I'd say 25 at most. We have some young talent, but if we're starting Smith Jr., Barrett and Knox, teams will score 150 points against us.

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One and sign some a bunch of guys to 1 year deals and play motly young guys, what is a realistic win total for the year?

Realistic is miss the playoffs and back to the lottery, IMO

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One and sign some a bunch of guys to 1 year deals and play motly young guys, what is a realistic win total for the year?

They'll be the worst team in the league. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing if their young players improve and Barrett flashes. But they will enter the season with the worst roster and it's not really close. 25 wins might be hard to achieve.

But it might not be the worst thing. You are guaranteed another top 5 pick and hopefully finally have some lottery luck. Could also absorb a couple 1 year contracts from teams looking to duck the luxury tax and get a couple extra picks- albeit late protected 1sts. But they desperately need to build up their talent base.

Of the draft next year?

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Of the draft next year?

Crappy. One of the worst (on paper) in years (yes, very very early)

The Knicks are planning to sign an Oregon big man and it�s not Bol Bol.

Oregon sophomore power forward Kenny Wooten Jr. has committed to signing to the Knicks� summer-league team and likely will be given a chance to make the main roster in training camp, according to a source. Wooten tweeted out �New York Knicks� in the morning.

The club had talked about bringing in more defensive-minded players and the shot-blocking 6-9 Wooten Jr. is regarded as an athletic defensive specialist. He was Pac 12 First Team All-Defense his two seasons with the Ducks. He averaged 2.2 blocks per game and finished third in career blocked shots at Oregon.

are doing a free agency show tonight at 7. I cant imagine its very positive for us, but should at least have some info.

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The Knicks are planning to sign an Oregon big man and it�s not Bol Bol. Oregon sophomore power forward Kenny Wooten Jr. has committed to signing to the Knicks� summer-league team and likely will be given a chance to make the main roster in training camp, according to a source. Wooten tweeted out �New York Knicks� in the morning. The club had talked about bringing in more defensive-minded players and the shot-blocking 6-9 Wooten Jr. is regarded as an athletic defensive specialist. He was Pac 12 First Team All-Defense his two seasons with the Ducks. He averaged 2.2 blocks per game and finished third in career blocked shots at Oregon.

I have no idea if this particular guy is any good, but this is the type of player they need to go along with the young players that they actually have.

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In comment 14482143 GMEN46 said: Quote: Of the draft next year? Crappy. One of the worst (on paper) in years (yes, very very early)

The Knicks have the best luck...

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The Knicks are planning to sign an Oregon big man and it�s not Bol Bol. Oregon sophomore power forward Kenny Wooten Jr. has committed to signing to the Knicks� summer-league team and likely will be given a chance to make the main roster in training camp, according to a source. Wooten tweeted out �New York Knicks� in the morning. The club had talked about bringing in more defensive-minded players and the shot-blocking 6-9 Wooten Jr. is regarded as an athletic defensive specialist. He was Pac 12 First Team All-Defense his two seasons with the Ducks. He averaged 2.2 blocks per game and finished third in career blocked shots at Oregon.

Super athletic guy. His offensive game is basically the same as Mitch's. Putbacks and lobs. Attempted Zero 3pt shots in college. His defense will have to carry him in the NBA.



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iffy on Fiz after liking the hire but it was especially perplexing how bad the Knicks were defensively and the players they added/traded for, given their stated goal of improving the defense. You'd like to see Fiz find a way to develop some of these lesser known guys into solid defenders. Even Frank.. meh. He certainly wasn't a lock down defender this year.

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In comment 14482079 Mike in NJ said: Quote: The Knicks aren't winning anything this year (unless they beat the odds and sign Kawhi), so having Durant redshirt a year is irrelevant, and could actually be viewed as a positive because it allows the young guys a chance to develop, and most likely ends up with the team having another high draft pick next year. Now you go into next season and view Durant as a new addition to the team on a 3 year contract. Even if he comes back at 80%, he's probably still an All-Star and worth what he's being paid. Either way, just having him on the team next summer makes the team much more likely to be able to attract a second star. In the worst case scenario where he can't recover from the injury and is a bum, you're only on the hook with him for 3 years and he comes off the books right as the young core is hitting their prime. How are you guys reading the future? With what crystal ball? Why can't the Knicks build a winner without Durant? No other younger stars will want to be traded? Barrett won't amount to anything?

It takes a crystal ball to see that the Knicks are going to suck next year? The path to relevance next season was a healthy Durant plus Irving. With Durant going down, unless they sign Kawhi Leonard and a second star to go along with him, who are they bringing in that is going to turn around a 17 win team?

They were the worst team in the league last year. Adding RJ Barrett and someone like Kyrie Irving or Kemba Walker isn't turning this into a good team in 2020.

Knicks sans adding superstars this off-season are going to be a bad team. Dems the facts.

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iffy on Fiz after liking the hire but it was especially perplexing how bad the Knicks were defensively and the players they added/traded for, given their stated goal of improving the defense. You'd like to see Fiz find a way to develop some of these lesser known guys into solid defenders. Even Frank.. meh. He certainly wasn't a lock down defender this year.

Good point. This falls on Perry, too. He talks quite a bit about his Detroit teams that played defense and shared the ball, and continues to bring in iso players who don't play defense. These guys talk a big game - now we need a little something to show for it.

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In comment 14482143 GMEN46 said: Quote: Of the draft next year? Crappy. One of the worst (on paper) in years (yes, very very early)

I feel like this is said every single year and always proves to be wrong. At this time last year the 2019 class was viewed as a one player draft (RJ Barrett), Zion and Ja Morant weren't even considered top 3 picks, Morant I don't even think was considered as a lottery pick.

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In comment 14482151 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 14482143 GMEN46 said: Quote: Of the draft next year? Crappy. One of the worst (on paper) in years (yes, very very early) I feel like this is said every single year and always proves to be wrong. At this time last year the 2019 class was viewed as a one player draft (RJ Barrett), Zion and Ja Morant weren't even considered top 3 picks, Morant I don't even think was considered as a lottery pick.

Zion Williamson was one of the top HS prospects in over a decade. This seems revisionist. He wasn't supposed to be THIS good but he didn't exactly come out of nowhere. Every pre-season mock I have come across had Barrett and Williamson as top 3-5 picks, Reddish and Langford being the biggest "fallers" This also ended up being a poor top of a draft on paper. I have seen pretty close to a consensus this is a very poor draft year coming up. I wouldn't use this year as proof that the "projections" are wrong. It was a poor draft year on paper.

Woo agrees it's a weak crop
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not good here either
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�What I�m hearing is that Kevin Durant will be walking through one door in New York and it�s going to come down to a battle between those two teams. He�s not happy with the way it went down with Golden State so it�s a matter of the Knicks or Nets at this stage. The Warriors medical staff told KD what they told Steve Kerr; that he couldn�t get hurt worse than he had been. They either misdiagnosed his injury, screwed it up, or didn�t give him a clear view of the potential risk. They got it wrong and Durant is paying the price. From everything I�m hearing, Kevin Durant is not happy by that fact.�

Tanking doesn't work anymore anyway.

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Tanking doesn't work anymore anyway.

I dont think the knicks plan on tanking again

and besides, less than abysmal teams are in play for top picks now anyway.

They had no means of building a competitive team without him. Much to my chagrin (and their detriment), they've never fully committed to tanking.

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�What I�m hearing is that Kevin Durant will be walking through one door in New York and it�s going to come down to a battle between those two teams. He�s not happy with the way it went down with Golden State so it�s a matter of the Knicks or Nets at this stage. The Warriors medical staff told KD what they told Steve Kerr; that he couldn�t get hurt worse than he had been. They either misdiagnosed his injury, screwed it up, or didn�t give him a clear view of the potential risk. They got it wrong and Durant is paying the price. From everything I�m hearing, Kevin Durant is not happy by that fact.�

He also said that it could come down to who can get a sign and trade done since he wants that 5th year

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well then he is just making shit up, because you cant do a sign and trade and get the 5 years

best plan for the Knicks (IMO) is to add Durant and tank develop the "kids" (Barrett, Knox, DSJ, Robinson, etc) in 2019. Use the 2019 cap space to take on a bad expiring and get additional picks and then enter 2020 with a max slot available to add to a core of Durant, Barrett, Knox, Robinson, etc.

Not sure what FAs are available next year or if a 2nd superstar will be available via trade, but that gives them an opportunity to compete short term (i.e. near prime level Durant + 2nd max) and long term (Barrett, Knox, Robinson, high 2020 pick, etc).

Aiming to put together a 40 win team does absolutely nothing by tying up cap dollars on middle of the road free agents does nothing for a franchise long term.

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In comment 14482269 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 14482228 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: �What I�m hearing is that Kevin Durant will be walking through one door in New York and it�s going to come down to a battle between those two teams. He�s not happy with the way it went down with Golden State so it�s a matter of the Knicks or Nets at this stage. The Warriors medical staff told KD what they told Steve Kerr; that he couldn�t get hurt worse than he had been. They either misdiagnosed his injury, screwed it up, or didn�t give him a clear view of the potential risk. They got it wrong and Durant is paying the price. From everything I�m hearing, Kevin Durant is not happy by that fact.� He also said that it could come down to who can get a sign and trade done since he wants that 5th year well then he is just making shit up, because you cant do a sign and trade and get the 5 years

You could do an opt in and trade though. KD opts into the final year, gets dealt to NYK or BK and then he can sign a 5 year max next summer.

Well, you get my meaning anyway

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In comment 14482236 Heisenberg said: Quote: Tanking doesn't work anymore anyway. I dont think the knicks plan on tanking again

I don�t think the Knicks will have a choice. Barring all of their players making tremendous strides, they are going to be very bad.

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In comment 14482243 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14482236 Heisenberg said: Quote: Tanking doesn't work anymore anyway. I dont think the knicks plan on tanking again I don�t think the Knicks will have a choice. Barring all of their players making tremendous strides, they are going to be very bad.

They could always offer max deals to 2nd/3rd tier players (Russell, Randle, Horford, Brogdon, etc). Signing 2 of those guys can probably get them into the playoffs, but they're not winning anything unless Barrett becomes a superstar, FAST.

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In comment 14482275 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14482269 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 14482228 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: �What I�m hearing is that Kevin Durant will be walking through one door in New York and it�s going to come down to a battle between those two teams. He�s not happy with the way it went down with Golden State so it�s a matter of the Knicks or Nets at this stage. The Warriors medical staff told KD what they told Steve Kerr; that he couldn�t get hurt worse than he had been. They either misdiagnosed his injury, screwed it up, or didn�t give him a clear view of the potential risk. They got it wrong and Durant is paying the price. From everything I�m hearing, Kevin Durant is not happy by that fact.� He also said that it could come down to who can get a sign and trade done since he wants that 5th year well then he is just making shit up, because you cant do a sign and trade and get the 5 years You could do an opt in and trade though. KD opts into the final year, gets dealt to NYK or BK and then he can sign a 5 year max next summer.

yes but i think that is stupid on kds part, what happens if his rehab doesnt go well and the team that traded for him decides they dont want to supermax him

before 2020 so it's unlikely but certainly a possibility. I'm not sure Bucher knows much of anything anyways anymore.

sign/don't sign KD argument.

I think that the articles that I've been reading are encouraging. I don't want some of these mid tier free agents. Top guys or players on 1 year deals.

The worst place to be is the middle of the pack. So if you have to spend the money and you're not getting either KD or Kawhi, then only give money to people on 1 year deals. Or team options.

If they miss out on the top guys they go for vets willing to take 1 year

because that would me that our young players aren't developing. And we need them to develop.

I'd love another top pick but not if it means that all of our young players suck.

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Woo was saying the same crap last year. His first big board had Zion, who is now considered "the best prospect since Anthony Davis", 5th. Ja Morant didn't even make his top 60, and most of the guys who ended up going in the top 10 of the draft were significantly further down the list.

You can't look at a group of high schoolers coming in and say it's a weak draft before they ever step foot on a college basketball court. A lot can change between now and next June.
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(who says Durant/Thompson will remain in GS) seemed to take a shot at their medical staff. Weird move.

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sounds like a dummy here.

"There is even a report that DeAndre Jordan, who played for the Knicks last year and is close with KD, could add fodder." um... people have said this for MONTHS. This isn't some new report.

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sounds like a dummy here. "There is even a report that DeAndre Jordan, who played for the Knicks last year and is close with KD, could add fodder." um... people have said this for MONTHS. This isn't some new report.

If you listen to the clip, it's clear that he's talking about the Nets going after Jordan as part of this battle for KD. That part specifically came out yesterday.

reporting Leonard will meet with the Clippers on 7/2

would be fun. Those two + Pat Bev and Montrezl would make for the most tenacious team in a long time.

I truly hope Kawhi doesn't go to the Lakers, that would suck.

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would be fun. Those two + Pat Bev and Montrezl would make for the most tenacious team in a long time. I truly hope Kawhi doesn't go to the Lakers, that would suck.

they cant keep bev and sign 2 max guys

would still be nasty, but Bev would've been perfect next to those two. The Lakers should try to sign him, he's a better fit there than Russell imo.

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I hope Kemba bails - we have Charlotte's next two second rounders from the Hernangomez trade. I love those picks in the 30s.

does not involve kyrie and that is why kyrie is going to the nets, but durant still wants the knicks...

Maybe knicks said we want durant, jordan and another player rather than just 2 max guys...

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does not involve kyrie and that is why kyrie is going to the nets, but durant still wants the knicks... Maybe knicks said we want durant, jordan and another player rather than just 2 max guys...

I would think they only want Jordan if it means getting KD. Otherwise it doesn�t seem like the smartest move

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that is what i mean, they want durant and instead of using all their space on another star they use the rest on building a deep team

and their work to reverse the toxic culture they've had for many years.

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While the Knicks have an opportunity to acquire a major free agent or two in July, they maintain they will be patient to make the right move or no move at all. Mills said Knicks ownership is committed to a patient build with no pressure to sign free agents. �Our plan wasn�t to create $70 million in room to go after free agents this summer,� Mills said. �Our plan was to organically build this team through teamwork, drafting well, getting high-character guys that want to compete. The [salary cap] space was a byproduct of that. If the right guys are there for us, great, because we still have all the young pieces and draft picks to move forward. �And if they�re not, we�re going to keep building our plan, drafting our guys, playing well and potentially being trade partners. We feel really good about where we are going.� Said Perry: �As an outsider coming in two years ago, I can�t tell you how many people have stopped me and said, �Stick to your guns. Keep doing what you�re doing. We like what you guys are doing.� For so many years, there have been detoured paths. �Oh, there is a shiny object over there. There is an aging star over there. Go grab the name.� �No. We are trying to build a basketball team that will be good for a long time. Look at the teams in the [NBA] Finals, the final four and the elite eight in the playoffs; it took years to build those teams.�

The long term results will speak for themselves. But this knicks management team is definitely different in tone than any I can remember for a long time. They haven't won many games yet but they do at least seem like a group that avoids the general drama and dysfunction of the last 20-25 years.
Link - ( New Window )

Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It�s great they haven�t made any dumb moves yet, but what�s the good move they�ve made? Haven�t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout.

Not to mention Steve Mills isn�t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It�s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven�t proven they can do that yet.

over the next few weeks but I don't like the reports of them preferring short term deals over renting and/or preserving some cap space going into the season. The one year deals for vets do nothing for me - there's zero upside to them and you can't even trade them without the player's consent.

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Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It�s great they haven�t made any dumb moves yet, but what�s the good move they�ve made? Haven�t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout. Not to mention Steve Mills isn�t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It�s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven�t proven they can do that yet.

All of this is true. No doubt about it. But for me at this point, avoiding awful contracts is almost as important as bringing in good players.

Even if we bring in Durant, that second max deal shouldn't be given to a mediocre player. If they can't land a second top tier guy, that money should be given to people like Jordan or whoever on 1 year deals to have it carry over to where it can be utilized correctly.

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Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It�s great they haven�t made any dumb moves yet, but what�s the good move they�ve made? Haven�t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout. Not to mention Steve Mills isn�t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It�s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven�t proven they can do that yet.

Steve Mills isnt the GM. They have a GM. It seems pretty clear that Perry is running the basketball team.

And one can be realistic and also fair. Robinson was a great pick. Trier was an excellent find. Getting two first round picks for a player who actively demanded a trade was smart and the move was roundly well received.

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In comment 14482537 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It�s great they haven�t made any dumb moves yet, but what�s the good move they�ve made? Haven�t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout. Not to mention Steve Mills isn�t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It�s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven�t proven they can do that yet. Steve Mills isnt the GM. They have a GM. It seems pretty clear that Perry is running the basketball team. And one can be realistic and also fair. Robinson was a great pick. Trier was an excellent find. Getting two first round picks for a player who actively demanded a trade was smart and the move was roundly well received.

Mills has final say. He has a proven track record of being a moron. You would have to be incredibly naive or willfully ignorant to think those facts represent zero cause for concern.

Sure, Kanter and McDermott wound up being useless but the Knicks got the 2nd rounder in that deal that wound up netting them Mitch. If it wasn't for Perry, Mills would've dealt Melo for Ryan Anderson and spare change.

but it's important to separate fact from fiction.

The Knicks' cap space was not some grand plan to lure max free agents - it was a byproduct of the KP trade, as Mills said in the article linked above. The press runs with the free agency angle to maximize the embarrassment if the Knicks strike out. Everything Mills and Perry have done supports their mission to rebuild through the draft and be "opportunistic" with trades and free agents.

The Knicks did not tank for Zion as the press insisted (because they knew there was an 86 percent chance to blast them for that, too). The Knicks tanked because KP blew out his knee and they had no other choice. They seem very happy with RJ Barrett, don't they? Everyone knew all along it was a slim chance at Zion.

Gullible Knicks fans fell for it again, the media is now saying. Total bullshit. Most - if not all - Knicks fans are at best cautiously optimistic about free agency, and never believed anything was totally "locked in." It's the media who guaranteed KD to the Knicks - if they're wrong, do they get fined $50K? No. They just move on to the next thing.

I'm no fan of Mills, and I'm a bit skeptical of Perry and Fizdale, but they're set up to be unfairly criticized for things they never promised.

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In comment 14482551 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 14482537 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It�s great they haven�t made any dumb moves yet, but what�s the good move they�ve made? Haven�t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout. Not to mention Steve Mills isn�t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It�s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven�t proven they can do that yet. Steve Mills isnt the GM. They have a GM. It seems pretty clear that Perry is running the basketball team. And one can be realistic and also fair. Robinson was a great pick. Trier was an excellent find. Getting two first round picks for a player who actively demanded a trade was smart and the move was roundly well received. Mills has final say. He has a proven track record of being a moron. You would have to be incredibly naive or willfully ignorant to think those facts represent zero cause for concern.

its fine to think mills is a moron. I dont care about mills. Since Perry has been here, where has mills inserted himself in the process? Their moves have been been solid and sound for some time, despite fans being paranoid and waiting for something terrible to happen.

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but it's important to separate fact from fiction. The Knicks' cap space was not some grand plan to lure max free agents - it was a byproduct of the KP trade, as Mills said in the article linked above.

I don't buy that. If they didn't attached Lee and Hardaway to the trade they would have received more draft picks in return.

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I'm no fan of Mills, and I'm a bit skeptical of Perry and Fizdale, but they're set up to be unfairly criticized for things they never promised.

well the owner publicly made comments about how he expects to well in free agency. Obviously it's not a "promise", but it's pretty clear what their plan was going into this summer.

but KD's injury clear changed things. Clearing the space for him was/is clearly worth the risk if they felt there was any reasonable chance he was coming with room for a second max. That doesn't mean it was the be all, end all to the trade. Lets say they got offered 2 additional protected firsts. Would anyone rather that then say a ~25% chance of signing a healthy KD and a second star?

I thought they struck a good balance on the KP trade - Smith Jr. + two future first rounders, and they dumped two contracts. If they lose KD to the Nets it's a massive failure, even with the Achilles. The rest of these free agents were long shots to begin with.

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In comment 14482555 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 14482551 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 14482537 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It�s great they haven�t made any dumb moves yet, but what�s the good move they�ve made? Haven�t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout. Not to mention Steve Mills isn�t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It�s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven�t proven they can do that yet. Steve Mills isnt the GM. They have a GM. It seems pretty clear that Perry is running the basketball team. And one can be realistic and also fair. Robinson was a great pick. Trier was an excellent find. Getting two first round picks for a player who actively demanded a trade was smart and the move was roundly well received. Mills has final say. He has a proven track record of being a moron. You would have to be incredibly naive or willfully ignorant to think those facts represent zero cause for concern. its fine to think mills is a moron. I dont care about mills. Since Perry has been here, where has mills inserted himself in the process? Their moves have been been solid and sound for some time, despite fans being paranoid and waiting for something terrible to happen.

It must be nice to live life this way. Summer of Baker/Hardaway was 2 years ago....not ancient history. The ability to avoid making a stupid move is miles away from the ability to build a good team. I'll believe this regime is capable of the latter when I see it.
And yes, Mills' influence is still there if you know where to look (Wily trade, timing of Melo trade, everything with KP)

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I thought they struck a good balance on the KP trade - Smith Jr. + two future first rounders, and they dumped two contracts. If they lose KD to the Nets it's a massive failure, even with the Achilles. The rest of these free agents were long shots to begin with.

forget who said what, your comment above ("The Knicks' cap space was not some grand plan to lure max free agents") just doesn't make any sense. If attracting max level players isn't the goal, then the plan should have been to just keep Lee/Hardaway until they expire and prioritize draft picks in the trade package instead of expirings.

This summer was 100% a focus on getting free agents. That isn�t media driven, that�s the truth. If they didn�t care about free agency, why insist on dumping Hardaway and Lee in the KP trade? Without including those contracts they easily could have received more compensation.

You can say Perry is running the show but Mills seems to be pretty involved in everything. The Robinson pick was good but that�s about it. Frank looks like a bust, Knox had a really bad rookie year. There�s still time, but they haven�t exactly made a bunch of great moves. We�ll see this summer and next year, but they haven�t show much yet....

Not sure why you blame Perry for him.

Trier was also a nice find. Plus, what was wrong with the Hernangomez trade besides it pissing off KP? He�s not a good player, they got adequate value imo.

I have no issue making that a requirement in a KP trade negotiation. That was a sunk cost, and yes a very poor reflection of Mills (who I don't particularly like). Timmy's style of play hinders the development of young players around him. I hate defending the Knicks and am still skeptical of the leadership of the team, but the media coverage is disgraceful and really poisons the water.

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Not sure why you blame Perry for him.

Mills wasn�t around then? And now he has zero input and Perry fully runs the show? So why is he around for every important interview and presser?

From Steve Kyler:

�The one thing I can say is Kevin Knox has been pretty aggressive this summer. The Knicks have had Jud Buechler with him most of the summer. He was in LA three weeks ago and back in New York last week. They are investing time into him for sure.�

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In comment 14482576 Greg from LI said: Quote: Not sure why you blame Perry for him. Mills wasn�t around then? And now he has zero input and Perry fully runs the show? So why is he around for every important interview and presser?

it is oretty well known that mills did not want frank, multiple people have reported that

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You think anyone had any input when Jackson was running the show? It was pretty clear that they didn't except maybe Clarence Gaines and Kurt Rambis.

It's also pretty clear that Perry is running the show. The Melo trade talks are the best indication of that.

I've stated on other threads that he always mentions his championship Pistons team but hasn't brought in guys who reflect their values - share the ball, play defense. I'm not even sure that Pistons team could thrive in today's NBA anyway.

However, he's been a positive influence overall. Mills wanted to ship Melo to Houston, presumably for Ryan Anderson's albatross contract, but Perry hit the brakes and made a better deal with OKC that landed us Mitch.

As I said, the KP trade was solid under the circumstances - a young, cost-controlled player, two future firsts, two salary dumps.

The Hernangomez trade could be a steal if Charlotte tanks without Kemba - their second rounders could be in the low 30s and easily net us one or two players better than Willy.

I'll wait a week before killing them on free agency. If they strike out completely, they'll deserve criticism, but if they keep building through the draft I'll live with it.

are "fixed".

I was just trying to comment on how differently the management team seems to operate compared to the last 20 years. Yes, they need to be right on roster moves, FA, draft, scheme, all of that. It just seems that it's nice to read about a front office that doesn't seem like a dysfunctional shit show. That, in and of itself, is progress.

But he hired Grizdale,drafted Knox,and gave Frank a raw deal

3 strikes and back to Cali

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But he hired Grizdale,drafted Knox,and gave Frank a raw deal 3 strikes and back to Cali

Wow, that's an impressively bad take.

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dont interact with the troll, let himnpost his one liner and leaves

Said himself he would have picked Frank if he was in charge. Link below.

I know I�m being negative but I�m still very skeptical of this entire regime including Fizdale. And the puff piece in the Undefeated is curious timing to say the least. Sounds pathetic to hear them bragging about getting meetings. It�s not like these guys have a track record of Ujiri, Buford, Morey etc. Perry�s a first time GM and Mills was around for a lot of the Knicks poor decisions.

I hope I�m wrong. I just want to seem some results.
Mills - ( New Window )

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Said himself he would have picked Frank if he was in charge. Link below. I know I�m being negative but I�m still very skeptical of this entire regime including Fizdale. And the puff piece in the Undefeated is curious timing to say the least. Sounds pathetic to hear them bragging about getting meetings. It�s not like these guys have a track record of Ujiri, Buford, Morey etc. Perry�s a first time GM and Mills was around for a lot of the Knicks poor decisions. I hope I�m wrong. I just want to seem some results. Mills - ( New Window )

C'mon, do you really think a month after drafting him Mills while employed by the Knicks would say anything different?

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eh, they set an internal deadline to trade Melo prior to media day. That didn't come from Perry- that's a Mills decision. And it probably impacted the return. And by looking to get decent players who could contribute right away (Kanter/McDermott), they most likely reduced the draft capital coming back in the deal.

that got them mitchell robinson in thT deal? they were not getting anything more than that for melo and he had a no trade clause

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Wow, that's an impressively bad take.

Let ask you something,do you ever get tired of being wrong?

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are "fixed". I was just trying to comment on how differently the management team seems to operate compared to the last 20 years. Yes, they need to be right on roster moves, FA, draft, scheme, all of that. It just seems that it's nice to read about a front office that doesn't seem like a dysfunctional shit show. That, in and of itself, is progress.

Not being a chaotic team certainly is a good thing. But can they also be a smart front office capable of building a winning team? Anyone making that claim is jumping the gun at this point.

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that got them mitchell robinson in thT deal? they were not getting anything more than that for melo and he had a no trade clause

Drafting Mitch where they got him makes it an awesome draft pick. But it's not part of how you evaluate the Melo deal. And Melo's list of teams he'd be ok with magically got larger the longer things played out. Who knows what other options would have been there if they had waited? And I get a kick out of comments like "they were not getting anything more than that for Melo". You're just babbling...

NBA Central
@TheNBACentral

The New York Knicks have shown some interest in Tobias Harris, Nikola Vucevic, DeMarcus Cousins, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, and Julius Randle, per
@TheUndefeated

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In comment 14482611 nygiants16 said: Quote: that got them mitchell robinson in thT deal? they were not getting anything more than that for melo and he had a no trade clause Drafting Mitch where they got him makes it an awesome draft pick. But it's not part of how you evaluate the Melo deal. And Melo's list of teams he'd be ok with magically got larger the longer things played out. Who knows what other options would have been there if they had waited? And I get a kick out of comments like "they were not getting anything more than that for Melo". You're just babbling...

Disagree with this. All things considered, I�d say Robinson is a good return for Melo at that point in his career with a no trade.

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In comment 14482591 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 14482582 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 14482576 Greg from LI said: Quote: Not sure why you blame Perry for him. Mills wasn�t around then? And now he has zero input and Perry fully runs the show? So why is he around for every important interview and presser? You think anyone had any input when Jackson was running the show? It was pretty clear that they didn't except maybe Clarence Gaines and Kurt Rambis. It's also pretty clear that Perry is running the show. The Melo trade talks are the best indication of that. eh, they set an internal deadline to trade Melo prior to media day. That didn't come from Perry- that's a Mills decision. And it probably impacted the return. And by looking to get decent players who could contribute right away (Kanter/McDermott), they most likely reduced the draft capital coming back in the deal.

They weren't looking for players who could contribute right away. No one was taking Melo into cap space. He had a no trade clause and was only waiving it for teams that could only make salaries match with bad contracts. Talk about revisionist history...

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NBA Central @TheNBACentral The New York Knicks have shown some interest in Tobias Harris, Nikola Vucevic, DeMarcus Cousins, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, and Julius Randle, per @TheUndefeated

I�d be furious if they signed any of these guys. And people are complaining and scared of signing Durant....

but im not killing them either. Its been like a year for Perry. He hasnt signed anyone to a horrible deal yet so he is ahead of most of our GM's LOL. If we want this team to built the right way we have to be willing to give a FO a couple years.

Also LOL at the guy who kills knox and loves Frank. I know i know ignore him, but come on.

who looked at:

- Who has a lot of capspace? Oh the knicks
- Who are some FA that arent the big 5 everyone has talked about...oh sure vucevic and how bout the morris twins, yea throw them on there.

If we strike out on Durant and kawhi (likely). We have to spend $70 million. It�s required by cap rules. Why wouldn�t you give cousins 1 year $15 million and see what he has after more time past the Achilles. Seems like a no brained.

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who looked at: - Who has a lot of capspace? Oh the knicks - Who are some FA that arent the big 5 everyone has talked about...oh sure vucevic and how bout the morris twins, yea throw them on there.

It�s coming from Marc Spears who just wrote that article about them. It�s a legit source.

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In comment 14482640 Italianju said: Quote: who looked at: - Who has a lot of capspace? Oh the knicks - Who are some FA that arent the big 5 everyone has talked about...oh sure vucevic and how bout the morris twins, yea throw them on there. It�s coming from Marc Spears who just wrote that article about them. It�s a legit source.

could it be possible names are leaking who could pair with durant?

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If we strike out on Durant and kawhi (likely). We have to spend $70 million. It�s required by cap rules. Why wouldn�t you give cousins 1 year $15 million and see what he has after more time past the Achilles. Seems like a no brained.

I agree. I'm interested in Cousins too (as a fall back option if we strike out on the big names), especially since Jalen Rose was saying he could see him take a 3/45 deal (or something like that). Less than the Noah deal anyway. That seems like a good investment on a guy who'll average a double double and fills a need for bigs.

It sounds like Cousins shouldn't have chased the ring as far as his future earnings go. Jalen said his injury likely cost him 100 mill.

but God I can't stand that guy. I was glad he didn't get a cheap ring with Golden State. Just an all-around pain in the ass.

And if they could, would people be on board with that core of players+youth?

Who covers Dallas mags was on Simmons podcast today and said that dirk was telling him that porzingis looks great.

Rockets?

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In comment 14482647 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 14482640 Italianju said: Quote: who looked at: - Who has a lot of capspace? Oh the knicks - Who are some FA that arent the big 5 everyone has talked about...oh sure vucevic and how bout the morris twins, yea throw them on there. It�s coming from Marc Spears who just wrote that article about them. It�s a legit source. could it be possible names are leaking who could pair with durant?

That�s what I thought when I read the article. Spears and Perry are very close. He wasn�t leaking info like that without Perry handing it to him to do so. He�s not a rumor mill journalist.

said in thenlast 48 hours durant has been leaning towards brooklyn

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That's not what he said. What he said was "in the last 48 hours there's been a lot of talk about KD coming too" in addition to Kyrie to BK obviously. He meant in the media and on social media, IE the Vegas odds shifting. FWIW Stein said that nobody seems to know what KD is thinking and anybody who says otherwise is lying. He said that the Knicks don't know and the Nets don't know (as evidenced by the Nets planning on making runs at other targets in addition to Kyrie).

They get paid to make educated speculation but it's still just speculation.

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In comment 14482689 nygiants16 said: Quote: said in thenlast 48 hours durant has been leaning towards brooklyn That's not what he said. What he said was "in the last 48 hours there's been a lot of talk about KD coming too" in addition to Kyrie to BK obviously. He meant in the media and on social media, IE the Vegas odds shifting. FWIW Stein said that nobody seems to know what KD is thinking and anybody who says otherwise is lying. He said that the Knicks don't know and the Nets don't know (as evidenced by the Nets planning on making runs at other targets in addition to Kyrie).

ok tha ks for clarification

Woj said that Kyrie has gravitated to the Nets because of "their infrastructure", basically they have role players and bench players who could step in and win games if Kyrie misses 20 games as usual and guys he can play with while KD is out.

Woj also said that the Knicks are searching for contingency options to pair with KD to still make it attractive to him to come here.

Also on the Simmons podcast with Stein, Stein said that he thinks it'll be very hard for KD to follow Kyrie to Brooklyn given the perception that he followed Kyrie that he won't like. Then he said maybe KD has to sign first. (side note from me: That's really stupid because at this point everyone knows Kyrie is going to the Nets and that it would be KD following no matter what order they sign in)

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They get paid to make educated speculation but it's still just speculation.

�The public doesn't know. You guys in the media don't know. The only people who really know are the players. You really don't know. You THINK you know, but you don't know. And you never will."

a month ago he was hearing the plan was kyrie, durant, melo and jr smith to the knicks and then all of sudden the kyrie to the nets started coming out...

A guy just called in and said his dad works for essex county and said when kyroe was buying the house in south orange he told the real estate agent he was a knick...

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a month ago he was hearing the plan was kyrie, durant, melo and jr smith to the knicks and then all of sudden the kyrie to the nets started coming out... A guy just called in and said his dad works for essex county and said when kyroe was buying the house in south orange he told the real estate agent he was a knick... l

The KD injury changed everything for Irving. Nets can pat themselves on the back but it's the truth.

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In comment 14482746 nygiants16 said: Quote: a month ago he was hearing the plan was kyrie, durant, melo and jr smith to the knicks and then all of sudden the kyrie to the nets started coming out... A guy just called in and said his dad works for essex county and said when kyroe was buying the house in south orange he told the real estate agent he was a knick... l The KD injury changed everything for Irving. Nets can pat themselves on the back but it's the truth.

1000%

Changed everything for the Knicks too. So close, lol. Life as a Knicks fan.

he will do a 24 hour show

I'm not even sure KD/Kyrie is best for the franchise at this point, but I want some legitimacy after being a laughingstock for so many years, and I dread them signing with the Nets. I wish they could complete a Hail Mary to Kawhi instead.

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I'm not even sure KD/Kyrie is best for the franchise at this point, but I want some legitimacy after being a laughingstock for so many years, and I dread them signing with the Nets. I wish they could complete a Hail Mary to Kawhi instead.

Same. I forget who posted it, but I want Durant as much for the value having a top 5 player brings. We would be a destination for having talent rather than just being a big market. The value Durant brings in terms of that legitimacy may be even more than his talent.

andre iquodala said last year he had a frsctured leg and the warriors put it out there that he had just a bone bruise

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I'm not even sure KD/Kyrie is best for the franchise at this point, but I want some legitimacy after being a laughingstock for so many years, and I dread them signing with the Nets. I wish they could complete a Hail Mary to Kawhi instead.

this is kind of how i feel, i would be happy with kd and kyrie but i would rather go with younger vets and build a good young team...

But i would feel sick of kd and irving choose neta over knicks...

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Rocking Knick colors in Soho.. just saying

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his brand ambassador whonis with him basically every second, who has liked knicks related things involving durant all year, posted and i heart new york sign...

obviously the nets are in new york to though

Rocking knicks colors?

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andre iquodala said last year he had a frsctured leg and the warriors put it out there that he had just a bone bruise

Here's link to CBS story quoting AI, along with related input from a prominent physician about Durant that says what I've believed all along -- that the Warriors also lied, or were seriously misleading, about the seriousness and physical location of Durant's original injury.

The kicker is that, if Durant's anger causes him to go somewhere else, it is very likely the team who pays for his diminished abilities that will bear the brunt of the Warriors' reckless mishandling of his injury.

if it quacks like a duck - ( New Window )

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Rocking knicks colors?

Brother tweeted out a photo of them in soho...

His brand ambassador tweeted a i heart new york sign

coming to NY for as much off the court stuff as on i just find it so hard to believe he chooses the Nets. I mean if you want to build your business empire and image and whatever it is you want to do you dont sign with the second team in a city. When Lebron wanted LA for business stuff he didnt sign with the clippers. And im not trying to trash the Nets here, i mentioned this before, im a Mets fan and id be floored if a guy chose the Mets over the Yankees at the same money.

I kind of get it for Kyrie since he would be stuck carrying the team by himself this year. ALthough i dont think the Nets roster is so much better then the knicks, but i do agree the culture/winning seems to have helped attract Kyrie.

the rosters are not much different, and the cultures/infrastructure/performance team of the teams aren't much different, then you are right. no reason to choose nets over knicks for KD

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the rosters are not much different, and the cultures/infrastructure/performance team of the teams aren't much different, then you are right. no reason to choose nets over knicks for KD

I think the argument is that the only way you choose the BKN over NYK is if it's all (or substantially all) about basketball. And if it's substantially all about basketball, you choose GSW over BKN.

For the magnitude of player that the concept of a personal brand has importance, it seems misguided to choose BKN over NYK. Doesn't mean it won't happen.

i said i do think the culture/winning has helped the Nets. I mean its not that much different if we look at more then the last year, but based off last year the Nets have a clear advantage there. Which is what i said.

and the thing that both Simmons and Stein said was KD will be the first to sign. He doesn't want it to be like he's following someone else. Wasn't saying that he wouldn't go to the Nets, but they were saying that if he was he would want to sign before Kyrie.

I honestly don't think anyone knows where any of these free agents are going. With all the guys opting out and Boston, Brooklyn, NYK, and LAL getting cap space, there's going to be some overpaid players this offseason.

is a big reason why I generally dislike the NBA.

signs the day before then he is an idiot. And honestly why would he care that much. And if he does care that much then dont follow Kyrie and do whatever he wants.

These guys have definitely decided and have the deals ready to be signed right? I believe most of those meetings are a dog and pony show but maybe I�m wrong.

Depends.

The rumor was Lebron and DWade were set to sign with the Knicks until the last minute (and I mean the recent rumor, not the one at the time). So things can change.

I still think KD signs with the Knicks and Kyrie signs with Brooklyn.

There is so much BS out there right now. The only rumor, that I truly believe is Kyrie to the Nets. I don't think Durant even knows where he is going, which is why I respect Woj. While others speculate, he admits when he does not know.

Interestingly, Kyrie might be more interested in the Nets, than they are him without another star.

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Depends. The rumor was Lebron and DWade were set to sign with the Knicks until the last minute (and I mean the recent rumor, not the one at the time). So things can change. I still think KD signs with the Knicks and Kyrie signs with Brooklyn.

the rumor was they talked about knicks but knicks couldnt get 3 max slots..

same reason they didnt sign chicago

I think that may have been a different one. The one I heard was that they were set to go and were really put off by the presentation from the NYK.

Yours sounds plausible as well.

Eddie Curry problem if I remember.

Although I think people are severely underrating Kyrie as a player now, if the Knicks just get Durant things could work out for the Knicks. They have another year to build the roster, get another top pick and keep cap flexibility. Who knows what happens with Davis in LA, Kawhi and Giannis. It�s not likely for any of those guys, but you never know.

But if the Knicks strike out and the Nets get Durant and Irving, that�s a complete disaster. If that happens, this regime gets one more year. And unless the team really overachieves with the young players making huge strides, I�m cleaning house from Mills down to Fizdale. I don�t want to hear about free agency not being the Knicks goal or the KP trade not being about cap space. It would be a total failure.

Lebron was never interested in the Knicks, they were always looking at Miami or possibly Chicago.

At the Draft, Miami traded somebody to clear the 3rd max slot. I can't remember who it was.

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Lebron was never interested in the Knicks, they were always looking at Miami or possibly Chicago. At the Draft, Miami traded somebody to clear the 3rd max slot. I can't remember who it was.

Technically, Miami never really got to three full max slots in 2010, right? Didn't all three sign for slightly less than the max to make it work?

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Lebron was never interested in the Knicks, they were always looking at Miami or possibly Chicago. At the Draft, Miami traded somebody to clear the 3rd max slot. I can't remember who it was.

That's news to Lebron.

"LeBron commented on how cool it was to play against his friend in the Staples Center. Wade agreed. �I appreciate you letting it end here.�

James replied with a cryptic statement: �It was either here or the Garden, that�s it.�

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I think they had room for 3 max's, but they took less to fit in Mike Miller.

Carmelo Anthony "would have interest in signing with the Knicks and finishing his career in New York," Ian Begley of SNY.tv reported Tuesday.

There�s a lot of attention being devoted to the low hanging fruit of this offseason, that being the big names in FA but it seems like many are ignprint that there are other ways to build a team in the NBA. There are trades. There are other FAs. The Knicks might miss out on Durant and Kyrie but that doesn�t mean this roster is set in stone. I�d bet a lot of money that the Knicks aren�t going to just rest on things and go with this same roster. They absolutely have to get a PG in here and they need other players. Who�s to say the Knicks don�t make a big trade over the next month or so? They have a lot of picks. They have young pieces.

With that said I think we sign Durant and Kyrie. People are over thinking the kyrie thing. He�s a huge talent at PG and the Knicks have a huge need. Get him.

know who might be a steal for a smart team? Jeremy Lamb. Under the radar a very, very solid player. Not really sure why nobody ever talks about him.

Move might be a smart thing in the long run. It keeps the rebuild going.

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Move might be a smart thing in the long run. It keeps the rebuild going.

Both are getting huge money. That's locking yourself in to these 2 being 2 of your 3 best players. Can that team compete for a title?

From Marc Spears of ESPN�s The Undefeated:

Other free agents on the Knicks� radar include their own free-agent center DeAndre Jordan, Warriors center DeMarcus Cousins and twins Markieff and Marcus Morris. New Orleans Pelicans forward Julius Randle and the Knicks also have mutual interest, according to sources.

�We are going to have the opportunity to meet with the guys we want to meet with,� [Knicks president Steve] Mills said without offering details or confirming names.

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I wouldn't bring him in. Even if we had a healthy Durant and another max and we were looking to contend, I'd avoid him.

money but i still dont want either of the morris twins. They will def be overpaid.

Boogie is all about the medicals. If you think he becomes his old self again then he was worth close to a max deal. Of course there is the question if you can win with him since he can be all over the place. Id be fine with him on like a 2 year deal for below max money, but i have no idea what kind of offers he will get.

Fit deangelo, Randle and Durant if they include lance in a trade with frank. I think that would save $6 mil. Would that get us over $70 million. Deangelo $22 mil, Durant $37 mil and Randle $12 mil. May not be enough for Randle.

One question I had let�s say knicks signed to Max�s and were at or over cap would they get a mid level around $9 mil?

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not according to dwade

Fisher says Kemba has "no interest" in the Knicks

-Spears says the Knicks are interested in Harris and Vucevic

in Soho last night

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in Soho last night

The boot is orange. Lol. Many colors to choose and he chose orange .

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Fisher says Kemba has "no interest" in the Knicks -Spears says the Knicks are interested in Harris and Vucevic

They're interested in Vucevic because........?

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Same guy with the I heart NY sign liked two photos on Instagram today. One was a picture of custom Knicks sneakers (complete with the #knicks tag) and the other was a Patrick Ewing Knicks figurine.

Odds are it means nothing but it definitely raises an eyebrow.

SAS is reporting that Dolan wants to see Durant's medical report before agreeing to giving him the max.

related things this morning. A photo of Melo with the quote about his interest in coming back to the Knicks and one of Julius Randle with a quote from the Spears story about their mutual interest

will officially become a FA 7/1, declined his player option.

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Every single team will want the same.

Player option with GS

Player option with GS.

may be interested in Vince Carter.

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may be interested in Vince Carter.

batshit insane but I think Durant�s injury makes me want him more. Superstar player has debilitating injury, but triumphantly returns and leads laughingstock Knicks franchise to a title? Sign me the hell up.

Wouldn�t feel right for the Knicks have an easy road after all this bad luck and incompetence.

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and woj admits nobody but kd and kleinman know what he is doing

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They apparently want a veteran mentor for the younger players and tried bringing in Carter last year for this role but he opted for Atl.

his fan card if KD goes to BKN right???

I wouldnt hate Vince carter tbh. By all accounts he is one of the best vets you can have around. We need some guys to mentor these young guys and Carter has been around a very long time.

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Things can always change. But alot have groundwork has been laid for him to come to MSG. Now Nets offer location in the same vicinity but I still think he stays with Knicks.

Kyrie wants him to go to Nets and as a friend he'll listen to what he has to say but end of day unless we get dicey with his contract stuff I'm betting hes a Knick.

Much prefer him to Melo or JR Smith or any other AARP guys, and he has a lot of knowledge to impart.

Next season will be a lot more bearable knowing he's waiting in the wings - hope it gets done.

days away. The constant speculation is exhausting, haha

And becomes a bonafide star. A better scoring Grant Hill. If so you add a KD and maybe Tobias Harris and that is a team you can win with.

Kawhi of course would be best case scenario but I m not betting we beat out both Tor and LAC.

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batshit insane but I think Durant�s injury makes me want him more. Superstar player has debilitating injury, but triumphantly returns and leads laughingstock Knicks franchise to a title? Sign me the hell up. Wouldn�t feel right for the Knicks have an easy road after all this bad luck and incompetence.

Best part would be if they can get KD without Kyrie.

If they get him his injury could be a blessing in disguise. I would use the remaining cap space on 1 year deals and rollover the space. Go after bed like Dudley, Carter etc. Team desperately needs some professionals. Then have the cap space next summer to go all in on building a team around Durant. Will have another top pick along with the Dallas picks if they want to trade for someone.

Maybe this works out for the Knicks but I�m doubtful.

I'd sign Durant. We'll be in the lottery again and can possibly use added short term contracts to amass some more draft capital at the deadline. Maybe the ping pong balls or whatever the hell the NBA uses will be kinder next year.

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Someone who has been a known locker room cancer?

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Ian Begley ‏ Verified account @IanBegley 1m1 minute ago More Ian Begley Retweeted SNY Something that could be relevant for Knicks & Nets in free agency: multiple teams have expressed interest in pairing Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler and believe that, while Kawhi isn�t looking to team up with anyone, Butler and Leonard they would have interest in playing together:

Eww. Giving Jimmy Butler a max? Ewwww.

it means Kawhi, I wouldn't think twice.

Kawhi, Butler, Barrett, Knox, Mitch... suddenly the Knicks look pretty damn interesting.

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if it means kawhi you give jimmy the max and run

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it means Kawhi, I wouldn't think twice. Kawhi, Butler, Barrett, Knox, Mitch... suddenly the Knicks look pretty damn interesting.

i think you start butler at point

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Far from a bad idea given the fact he complains about touches.

but I'm curious what people think. Lets say Kawhi wants to come (this could apply to the Clippers too) and is ambivalent about Butler or Durant joining him and you can sign either one. Do you go with the healthy Butler and compete this year while the Warriors are down KD and Klay or hold off a year and go with the higher upside KD-Kawhi combo knowing full well that it's possible KD only returns to a shell of his former self?

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but I'm curious what people think. Lets say Kawhi wants to come (this could apply to the Clippers too) and is ambivalent about Butler or Durant joining him and you can sign either one. Do you go with the healthy Butler and compete this year while the Warriors are down KD and Klay or hold off a year and go with the higher upside KD-Kawhi combo knowing full well that it's possible KD only returns to a shell of his former self?

thats tough because you could compete with just kawhi, butler is clutch, but man a kawhi kd pairing is drool worthy

Knicks are expected to meet with KD/Kawhi at the opening of FA per Isola

may have been lost in the KD opting out news but the more I think about it the more I'm thinking that this can't be a coincidence, right? Unless he's trolling but I don't think it's overt enough to be a troll job. The guy likes 4 Knicks-related posts on the day KD opts out?

to offer KP a max deal per Shams

Anthony Slater says the Durant sign and trade stuff is mostly BS

including desperation. Repeating past mistakes signing older injured players seems like a misfire

If there's any chance of signing him, they have to do anything necessary to make it happen.

is more enticing to me than Durant and Kyrie.

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is more enticing to me than Durant and Kyrie.

Agreed. Kawhi, Butler and Mitch are all excellent defenders. I'd love to find a great shooter in that scenario, and move one of Knox or Barrett (preferably Knox) to the bench. But that would be a first-world problem.

barring injury is going to not only have a HOF career but one with a resume up their with the true legends of the game.


2 titles (2 different teams)
2 DPOA
2 finals MVP's
All defensive 1st or 2nd team 5 times
4 top 10 MVP finishes (2 top 3 MVP finishes)

28 for all of next season

he fills roles on a team that typically require two or three different players. He's a dominant scorer, dominant defender and a great "glue guy" in terms of doing the little things (making the right reads, the extra pass, etc.). When his team goes up against a team with more talent, it still feels like a fair fight.

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he fills roles on a team that typically require two or three different players. He's a dominant scorer, dominant defender and a great "glue guy" in terms of doing the little things (making the right reads, the extra pass, etc.). When his team goes up against a team with more talent, it still feels like a fair fight.

doesn't get enough credit for the amount of energy/level of play he puts in on defense

I mean my understanding is that they wouldn't give him the supermax, but why?

After years with Duncan and then finally overlapping with Kawhi, that's like Favre to Rodgers, Montana to Young, DiMaggio to Mantle.

Pop could have ridden off into the sunset after Kawhi's prime and had like 7-8 titles, maybe more.

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I mean my understanding is that they wouldn't give him the supermax, but why? After years with Duncan and then finally overlapping with Kawhi, that's like Favre to Rodgers, Montana to Young, DiMaggio to Mantle. Pop could have ridden off into the sunset after Kawhi's prime and had like 7-8 titles, maybe more.

Leonard�s uncle Dennis Robertson finally shed some light on the specifics of a disagreement that led to a chasm between the two sides, eventually leading to his trade out of town.

�I think it just became a lack of trust,� Robertson told Yahoo Sports. �They didn�t believe Kawhi couldn�t play and that caused a lack of trust in us and then us not believing in them. Any time a player says he�s not capable of playing, you should believe him. Why would Kawhi just stop playing all of a sudden? He�s a competitor. Sometimes you get these team doctors telling you what you can and cannot do, and Kawhi was just in too much pain to get out there. This was a serious issue. They didn�t believe him, and after that, the relationship couldn�t recover and we decided we had to move on.�

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I mean my understanding is that they wouldn't give him the supermax, but why? After years with Duncan and then finally overlapping with Kawhi, that's like Favre to Rodgers, Montana to Young, DiMaggio to Mantle. Pop could have ridden off into the sunset after Kawhi's prime and had like 7-8 titles, maybe more.

Of course SA would have given him the supermax, but he said no matter what he was leaving. He has issues with the medical staff and coaches I believe.

of previous Knicks free agent introductory pressers - it's been a long 20 years.

The Spurs as an organization needed to clean house in the medical dept. if that was the case.

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What a troll. Couldn't stand his act after the first week or so.

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including desperation. Repeating past mistakes signing older injured players seems like a misfire

I don't think KD off his soft tissue injury is the same kind of situation as knowingly signing amare with a denegerative, uninsurable knee condition. Kevin Durant is one of the best to ever play basketball. Even diminished he's a top 5 player.

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of previous Knicks free agent introductory pressers - it's been a long 20 years.

horrible moves was what he got back from the Warriors in the David Lee sign-and-trade.

Lee was gone anyway. Azubuike was a good young player but his injury basically ended his career. Randolph looked promising but flamed out.

Hopefully this summer's photo ops are a little more exciting.

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Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @wojespn Reporting w/ @ZachLowe: Houston�s offering Clint Capela, Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker individually to teams w/ space to absorb salary. Rockets trying for best available first-rounder for any of those three, hoping to redirect pick to Philly in pursuit of Jimmy Butler sign-and-trade.

Morey actually believes he is getting a 1st in a salary dump

is no salary dump. Age 24 season.. 17 and 13. If anything he's underpaid.

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is no salary dump. Age 24 season.. 17 and 13. If anything he's underpaid.

Which makes me wonder why Philly doesn't just engage in a trade for him straight up? Unless they'd have to take some other salary to make that work.

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because brett brown wont play him with embiid

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is no salary dump. Age 24 season.. 17 and 13. If anything he's underpaid.

Limited repotoire and maybe a product of Hardens game. Can he put up numbers in a team system instead of just catch lob passes?

So everything you've heard recently about KD is complete nonsense.

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Those questions aside don't turn him into a salary dump. He's 25 for the entire season. He finished 5th in rebounds, 3rd in FG%, 16th in PER. He's making 18 million per.

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In comment 14483994 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14483931 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is no salary dump. Age 24 season.. 17 and 13. If anything he's underpaid. Limited repotoire and maybe a product of Hardens game. Can he put up numbers in a team system instead of just catch lob passes? Those questions aside don't turn him into a salary dump. He's 25 for the entire season. He finished 5th in rebounds, 3rd in FG%, 16th in PER. He's making 18 million per.

I�m questioning why teams may not want him. His FG% is nice. But he can�t make a shot outside 3 feet. And if there isn�t a good guard on the team.... how is he going to get any shots?

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So everything you've heard recently about KD is complete nonsense.

and kyrie is overseas, do people really think he is telling reporters what he is doing?

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I heard Begley earlier who said word around the league is that Kyrie has Brooklyn at the top of his list but he also doesn�t think Kyrie is going to go there alone so the scenario that he goes to the Knicks or Lakers is in play if the Nets can�t find a star to pair him with that he�s interested in playing with.

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If you believe the hashtags he is recruiting for the knicks

Hate the knicks

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is that a current pic? you can't see his legs but doesn't look like a guy who just had achilles surgery

Doing it for the fans cause you know he hates the owner. Haha.

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Yeah I thought he was even banned from the Garden

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Doing it for the fans cause you know he hates the owner. Haha.

I really have to wonder if he was recruiting or warning.

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i dunno, he makes it seem like it is, but i dunno

There�s still more to that story. I love him as a player- he�s an all time great. But he definitely quit on the Spurs. There are stories of him going all out playing 2v2 and 3v3 with a retired Duncan while the Spurs were practicing. Something happened that made him want out of the Spurs. Even Ginobili of all people knocked him publicly.

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It's not something that makes you look sick or keeps you bedridden.
It's been about two weeks since surgery, hasn't it?

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there are pictures of him out on the city

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In comment 14484178 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 14484163 nygiants16 said: Quote: If you believe the hashtags he is recruiting for the knicks is that a current pic? you can't see his legs but doesn't look like a guy who just had achilles surgery It's not something that makes you look sick or keeps you bedridden. It's been about two weeks since surgery, hasn't it?

In other pics of him in the city he�s on a scooter. See here
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The Knicks are weighing the prospect of extending a considerable one-year offer to Warriors free-agent big man DeMarcus Cousins if they miss out on top target Kevin Durant, league sources say

The Knicks have long been planning to pursue the likes of Durant, Kyrie Irving and Kawhi Leonard in free agency but are widely expected to turn to short-term offers if they miss out on their primary targets

do not exte d qualifying offers to mudiay or kornet

This article is just possible SGs, but seems like he might be a solid pick esp if he can defend. Other names mentioned as available were Wayne Ellington, Troy Daniels & Lance Stephenson. Could see all of them for a decent value, w/ or w/o the big name FAs. Tho admitted I'm not an expert on any of them, TD least of all

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i mean these 1 year deals have limited value in that you have no future control or bird rights or anything. But it gives you an up close look at his health and attitude. You can run the offense through him to take the pressure off the kids. I dont see why him and mitch couldnt play together as mitch could guard the better player at PF or C. And if Cousins is healthy you could possibly turn him into something at the deadline (wouldnt plan on that though since we would have to take back just expirings to preserve capspace).

if the best young talent is at center in MR?

that i see no reason that mitch and cousins cant play together. At least for a few stretches so they each could get around 30ish minutes a game. And Mitch is never going to be a dump the ball down and let him go to work so having cousins doesnt hurt his progression all that much.

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that i see no reason that mitch and cousins cant play together. At least for a few stretches so they each could get around 30ish minutes a game. And Mitch is never going to be a dump the ball down and let him go to work so having cousins doesnt hurt his progression all that much.

yeah i hear you, just seems like an odd one- rather punt on a different position that wouldnt clutter the development of the asset

says he thinks durant will be the first domino to fall and if he had to pick right now he would say knicks...

very interesting to see what happens with Kyrie. If all the reports of the him or the Nets being more interested in each other with another star. Does he consider harris a star? Horford? Could they get Butler?

and when that happens, i think it will delay everything else because its a big domino.

Barrett, Knox, and to a lesser extent DSJ to develop so by that thinking we only really should sign a PF. And Cousins can play PF. And again if Mitch was going to be a guy i wanted the ball in his hands all the time then yeah i wouldnt want cousins sucking up all the post touches, but that is never going to be mitch's game.

at least for 1 year the pressure of being the main scoring option is not on barrett, he can be the 2nd guy and play off of cousins...

would love it if there is a team option, get cousins on the miami weight loss program that fizdale has..

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The Boston Celtics have emerged as the frontrunner to sign Charlotte All-Star guard Kemba Walker once free agency opens Sunday at 6 PM ET, league sources tell ESPN.

Not really sure what the celts plan is here. Are they shooting to be the 4-5 seed for the next 4 years. Will this cost them Rozier? not saying Rozier is Kemba but we dont know what he is and he will be a lot cheaper. Unless Tatum becomes a superstar or Hayward looks a lot closer to hayward a couple years ago then i dont see how the celts team will be anything more then a second round exit at best.

The Charlotte second rounders we own these next two years will go up in value.

will get if the celts rescind his rights and make him an UFA. He could be the kind of guy worth a shot to see what he becomes as a full time starter. That said its the NBA and everyone gets absurd deals. I dont want to chance 20 mill that Rozier is good.

I feel like we know what he is.

played 8 minutes and 17 minutes a game his first two seasons. And has also played behind two all stars. Again i dont want to offer him 20 mill a year, but on a reasonable deal he could be a good signing.

Rozier is better than DSJ? I can�t.

(Mostly lurker posting): As a Knicks fan, outside of signing B level guys to max contracts, I can't think of one thing I'd hate more than them signing Rozier. A backup pg who shoots under 40% and complains about his touches while getting the second most touches on the team? The guy has delusions of grandeur that are KILLER when you're trying to add superstars, have a bunch of young guys, and need role players without egos to surround them with. Great for an entertaining media tour after a first round exit, bad for a team with championship aspirations