Figured it made sense to start a new thread now that the draft is over with and we're moving on to FA. Not much news today except:
1) Bondy said the Knicks aren't expected to have interest in signing Russell if he becomes UFA. Thinks they'll sign guys to 1 year deals if they strike out on KD, Kawhi, Kyrie rather than go after Russell and other similar FA's with max offers.
2) Jalen Rose thinks KD is headed to NY -- specifically the Knicks. Here's what he said:
| "The Knicks," Rose predicted. "I still feel like if you're going to leave the Golden State Warriors, it's not just about the rings; he got two there. It's not just about the money; he can get more there. It's the stage. If you're gonna come to New York City, that's at MSG." |
Noteworthy because Rose is a roc nation client and therefore has ties to Kleiman. Of course, he may know nothing and is sharing his opinion but who knows.
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Tanking doesn't work anymore anyway.
I dont think the knicks plan on tanking again
I don’t think the Knicks will have a choice. Barring all of their players making tremendous strides, they are going to be very bad.
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Tanking doesn't work anymore anyway.
I dont think the knicks plan on tanking again
I don’t think the Knicks will have a choice. Barring all of their players making tremendous strides, they are going to be very bad.
They could always offer max deals to 2nd/3rd tier players (Russell, Randle, Horford, Brogdon, etc). Signing 2 of those guys can probably get them into the playoffs, but they're not winning anything unless Barrett becomes a superstar, FAST.
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In comment 14482228 TyreeHelmet said:
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“What I’m hearing is that Kevin Durant will be walking through one door in New York and it’s going to come down to a battle between those two teams. He’s not happy with the way it went down with Golden State so it’s a matter of the Knicks or Nets at this stage. The Warriors medical staff told KD what they told Steve Kerr; that he couldn’t get hurt worse than he had been. They either misdiagnosed his injury, screwed it up, or didn’t give him a clear view of the potential risk. They got it wrong and Durant is paying the price. From everything I’m hearing, Kevin Durant is not happy by that fact.”
He also said that it could come down to who can get a sign and trade done since he wants that 5th year
well then he is just making shit up, because you cant do a sign and trade and get the 5 years
You could do an opt in and trade though. KD opts into the final year, gets dealt to NYK or BK and then he can sign a 5 year max next summer.
yes but i think that is stupid on kds part, what happens if his rehab doesnt go well and the team that traded for him decides they dont want to supermax him
I think that the articles that I've been reading are encouraging. I don't want some of these mid tier free agents. Top guys or players on 1 year deals.
The worst place to be is the middle of the pack. So if you have to spend the money and you're not getting either KD or Kawhi, then only give money to people on 1 year deals. Or team options.
I'd love another top pick but not if it means that all of our young players suck.
Woo was saying the same crap last year. His first big board had Zion, who is now considered "the best prospect since Anthony Davis", 5th. Ja Morant didn't even make his top 60, and most of the guys who ended up going in the top 10 of the draft were significantly further down the list.
You can't look at a group of high schoolers coming in and say it's a weak draft before they ever step foot on a college basketball court. A lot can change between now and next June.
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"There is even a report that DeAndre Jordan, who played for the Knicks last year and is close with KD, could add fodder." um... people have said this for MONTHS. This isn't some new report.
"There is even a report that DeAndre Jordan, who played for the Knicks last year and is close with KD, could add fodder." um... people have said this for MONTHS. This isn't some new report.
If you listen to the clip, it's clear that he's talking about the Nets going after Jordan as part of this battle for KD. That part specifically came out yesterday.
I truly hope Kawhi doesn't go to the Lakers, that would suck.
I truly hope Kawhi doesn't go to the Lakers, that would suck.
they cant keep bev and sign 2 max guys
I hope Kemba bails - we have Charlotte's next two second rounders from the Hernangomez trade. I love those picks in the 30s.
Maybe knicks said we want durant, jordan and another player rather than just 2 max guys...
Maybe knicks said we want durant, jordan and another player rather than just 2 max guys...
I would think they only want Jordan if it means getting KD. Otherwise it doesn’t seem like the smartest move
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does not involve kyrie and that is why kyrie is going to the nets, but durant still wants the knicks...
Maybe knicks said we want durant, jordan and another player rather than just 2 max guys...
I would think they only want Jordan if it means getting KD. Otherwise it doesn’t seem like the smartest move
that is what i mean, they want durant and instead of using all their space on another star they use the rest on building a deep team
“Our plan wasn’t to create $70 million in room to go after free agents this summer,” Mills said. “Our plan was to organically build this team through teamwork, drafting well, getting high-character guys that want to compete. The [salary cap] space was a byproduct of that. If the right guys are there for us, great, because we still have all the young pieces and draft picks to move forward.
“And if they’re not, we’re going to keep building our plan, drafting our guys, playing well and potentially being trade partners. We feel really good about where we are going.”
Said Perry: “As an outsider coming in two years ago, I can’t tell you how many people have stopped me and said, ‘Stick to your guns. Keep doing what you’re doing. We like what you guys are doing.’ For so many years, there have been detoured paths. ‘Oh, there is a shiny object over there. There is an aging star over there. Go grab the name.’
“No. We are trying to build a basketball team that will be good for a long time. Look at the teams in the [NBA] Finals, the final four and the elite eight in the playoffs; it took years to build those teams.”
The long term results will speak for themselves. But this knicks management team is definitely different in tone than any I can remember for a long time. They haven't won many games yet but they do at least seem like a group that avoids the general drama and dysfunction of the last 20-25 years.
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Not to mention Steve Mills isn’t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It’s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven’t proven they can do that yet.
Not to mention Steve Mills isn’t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It’s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven’t proven they can do that yet.
All of this is true. No doubt about it. But for me at this point, avoiding awful contracts is almost as important as bringing in good players.
Even if we bring in Durant, that second max deal shouldn't be given to a mediocre player. If they can't land a second top tier guy, that money should be given to people like Jordan or whoever on 1 year deals to have it carry over to where it can be utilized correctly.
Not to mention Steve Mills isn’t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It’s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven’t proven they can do that yet.
Steve Mills isnt the GM. They have a GM. It seems pretty clear that Perry is running the basketball team.
And one can be realistic and also fair. Robinson was a great pick. Trier was an excellent find. Getting two first round picks for a player who actively demanded a trade was smart and the move was roundly well received.
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Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It’s great they haven’t made any dumb moves yet, but what’s the good move they’ve made? Haven’t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout.
Not to mention Steve Mills isn’t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It’s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven’t proven they can do that yet.
Steve Mills isnt the GM. They have a GM. It seems pretty clear that Perry is running the basketball team.
And one can be realistic and also fair. Robinson was a great pick. Trier was an excellent find. Getting two first round picks for a player who actively demanded a trade was smart and the move was roundly well received.
Mills has final say. He has a proven track record of being a moron. You would have to be incredibly naive or willfully ignorant to think those facts represent zero cause for concern.
The Knicks' cap space was not some grand plan to lure max free agents - it was a byproduct of the KP trade, as Mills said in the article linked above. The press runs with the free agency angle to maximize the embarrassment if the Knicks strike out. Everything Mills and Perry have done supports their mission to rebuild through the draft and be "opportunistic" with trades and free agents.
The Knicks did not tank for Zion as the press insisted (because they knew there was an 86 percent chance to blast them for that, too). The Knicks tanked because KP blew out his knee and they had no other choice. They seem very happy with RJ Barrett, don't they? Everyone knew all along it was a slim chance at Zion.
Gullible Knicks fans fell for it again, the media is now saying. Total bullshit. Most - if not all - Knicks fans are at best cautiously optimistic about free agency, and never believed anything was totally "locked in." It's the media who guaranteed KD to the Knicks - if they're wrong, do they get fined $50K? No. They just move on to the next thing.
I'm no fan of Mills, and I'm a bit skeptical of Perry and Fizdale, but they're set up to be unfairly criticized for things they never promised.
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Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It’s great they haven’t made any dumb moves yet, but what’s the good move they’ve made? Haven’t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout.
Not to mention Steve Mills isn’t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It’s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven’t proven they can do that yet.
Steve Mills isnt the GM. They have a GM. It seems pretty clear that Perry is running the basketball team.
And one can be realistic and also fair. Robinson was a great pick. Trier was an excellent find. Getting two first round picks for a player who actively demanded a trade was smart and the move was roundly well received.
Mills has final say. He has a proven track record of being a moron. You would have to be incredibly naive or willfully ignorant to think those facts represent zero cause for concern.
its fine to think mills is a moron. I dont care about mills. Since Perry has been here, where has mills inserted himself in the process? Their moves have been been solid and sound for some time, despite fans being paranoid and waiting for something terrible to happen.
The Knicks' cap space was not some grand plan to lure max free agents - it was a byproduct of the KP trade, as Mills said in the article linked above.
I don't buy that. If they didn't attached Lee and Hardaway to the trade they would have received more draft picks in return.
well the owner publicly made comments about how he expects to well in free agency. Obviously it's not a "promise", but it's pretty clear what their plan was going into this summer.
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Has a lot to prove before they start taking victory laps. Not trying to be negative but realistic here. It’s great they haven’t made any dumb moves yet, but what’s the good move they’ve made? Haven’t exactly had a great trade, pick or signing yet. Robinson in the 2nd round being the one standout.
Not to mention Steve Mills isn’t new here and is the one who signed Hardaway. And if they strike out in free agency that Porzingis trade is going to be really bad along with stretching Noah to lesser extent. It’s great to be patient, but at some point they need to bring in good players. They haven’t proven they can do that yet.
Steve Mills isnt the GM. They have a GM. It seems pretty clear that Perry is running the basketball team.
And one can be realistic and also fair. Robinson was a great pick. Trier was an excellent find. Getting two first round picks for a player who actively demanded a trade was smart and the move was roundly well received.
Mills has final say. He has a proven track record of being a moron. You would have to be incredibly naive or willfully ignorant to think those facts represent zero cause for concern.
its fine to think mills is a moron. I dont care about mills. Since Perry has been here, where has mills inserted himself in the process? Their moves have been been solid and sound for some time, despite fans being paranoid and waiting for something terrible to happen.
It must be nice to live life this way. Summer of Baker/Hardaway was 2 years ago....not ancient history. The ability to avoid making a stupid move is miles away from the ability to build a good team. I'll believe this regime is capable of the latter when I see it.
And yes, Mills' influence is still there if you know where to look (Wily trade, timing of Melo trade, everything with KP)
forget who said what, your comment above ("The Knicks' cap space was not some grand plan to lure max free agents") just doesn't make any sense. If attracting max level players isn't the goal, then the plan should have been to just keep Lee/Hardaway until they expire and prioritize draft picks in the trade package instead of expirings.
You can say Perry is running the show but Mills seems to be pretty involved in everything. The Robinson pick was good but that’s about it. Frank looks like a bust, Knox had a really bad rookie year. There’s still time, but they haven’t exactly made a bunch of great moves. We’ll see this summer and next year, but they haven’t show much yet....
Mills wasn’t around then? And now he has zero input and Perry fully runs the show? So why is he around for every important interview and presser?
“The one thing I can say is Kevin Knox has been pretty aggressive this summer. The Knicks have had Jud Buechler with him most of the summer. He was in LA three weeks ago and back in New York last week. They are investing time into him for sure.”
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Not sure why you blame Perry for him.
Mills wasn’t around then? And now he has zero input and Perry fully runs the show? So why is he around for every important interview and presser?
it is oretty well known that mills did not want frank, multiple people have reported that
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Not sure why you blame Perry for him.
Mills wasn’t around then? And now he has zero input and Perry fully runs the show? So why is he around for every important interview and presser?
You think anyone had any input when Jackson was running the show? It was pretty clear that they didn't except maybe Clarence Gaines and Kurt Rambis.
It's also pretty clear that Perry is running the show. The Melo trade talks are the best indication of that.
However, he's been a positive influence overall. Mills wanted to ship Melo to Houston, presumably for Ryan Anderson's albatross contract, but Perry hit the brakes and made a better deal with OKC that landed us Mitch.
As I said, the KP trade was solid under the circumstances - a young, cost-controlled player, two future firsts, two salary dumps.
The Hernangomez trade could be a steal if Charlotte tanks without Kemba - their second rounders could be in the low 30s and easily net us one or two players better than Willy.
I'll wait a week before killing them on free agency. If they strike out completely, they'll deserve criticism, but if they keep building through the draft I'll live with it.
I was just trying to comment on how differently the management team seems to operate compared to the last 20 years. Yes, they need to be right on roster moves, FA, draft, scheme, all of that. It just seems that it's nice to read about a front office that doesn't seem like a dysfunctional shit show. That, in and of itself, is progress.
3 strikes and back to Cali
3 strikes and back to Cali
Wow, that's an impressively bad take.
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But he hired Grizdale,drafted Knox,and gave Frank a raw deal
3 strikes and back to Cali
Wow, that's an impressively bad take.
dont interact with the troll, let himnpost his one liner and leaves
I know I’m being negative but I’m still very skeptical of this entire regime including Fizdale. And the puff piece in the Undefeated is curious timing to say the least. Sounds pathetic to hear them bragging about getting meetings. It’s not like these guys have a track record of Ujiri, Buford, Morey etc. Perry’s a first time GM and Mills was around for a lot of the Knicks poor decisions.
I hope I’m wrong. I just want to seem some results.
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