Figured it made sense to start a new thread now that the draft is over with and we're moving on to FA. Not much news today except:
1) Bondy said the Knicks aren't expected to have interest in signing Russell if he becomes UFA. Thinks they'll sign guys to 1 year deals if they strike out on KD, Kawhi, Kyrie rather than go after Russell and other similar FA's with max offers.
2) Jalen Rose thinks KD is headed to NY -- specifically the Knicks. Here's what he said:
| "The Knicks," Rose predicted. "I still feel like if you're going to leave the Golden State Warriors, it's not just about the rings; he got two there. It's not just about the money; he can get more there. It's the stage. If you're gonna come to New York City, that's at MSG." |
Noteworthy because Rose is a roc nation client and therefore has ties to Kleiman. Of course, he may know nothing and is sharing his opinion but who knows.
I know I’m being negative but I’m still very skeptical of this entire regime including Fizdale. And the puff piece in the Undefeated is curious timing to say the least. Sounds pathetic to hear them bragging about getting meetings. It’s not like these guys have a track record of Ujiri, Buford, Morey etc. Perry’s a first time GM and Mills was around for a lot of the Knicks poor decisions.
I hope I’m wrong. I just want to seem some results. Mills - ( New Window )
C'mon, do you really think a month after drafting him Mills while employed by the Knicks would say anything different?
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In comment 14482576 Greg from LI said:
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Not sure why you blame Perry for him.
Mills wasn’t around then? And now he has zero input and Perry fully runs the show? So why is he around for every important interview and presser?
You think anyone had any input when Jackson was running the show? It was pretty clear that they didn't except maybe Clarence Gaines and Kurt Rambis.
It's also pretty clear that Perry is running the show. The Melo trade talks are the best indication of that.
eh, they set an internal deadline to trade Melo prior to media day. That didn't come from Perry- that's a Mills decision. And it probably impacted the return. And by looking to get decent players who could contribute right away (Kanter/McDermott), they most likely reduced the draft capital coming back in the deal.
Wow, that's an impressively bad take.
Let ask you something,do you ever get tired of being wrong?
I was just trying to comment on how differently the management team seems to operate compared to the last 20 years. Yes, they need to be right on roster moves, FA, draft, scheme, all of that. It just seems that it's nice to read about a front office that doesn't seem like a dysfunctional shit show. That, in and of itself, is progress.
Not being a chaotic team certainly is a good thing. But can they also be a smart front office capable of building a winning team? Anyone making that claim is jumping the gun at this point.
Drafting Mitch where they got him makes it an awesome draft pick. But it's not part of how you evaluate the Melo deal. And Melo's list of teams he'd be ok with magically got larger the longer things played out. Who knows what other options would have been there if they had waited? And I get a kick out of comments like "they were not getting anything more than that for Melo". You're just babbling...
@TheNBACentral
The New York Knicks have shown some interest in Tobias Harris, Nikola Vucevic, DeMarcus Cousins, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, and Julius Randle, per
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that got them mitchell robinson in thT deal? they were not getting anything more than that for melo and he had a no trade clause
Drafting Mitch where they got him makes it an awesome draft pick. But it's not part of how you evaluate the Melo deal. And Melo's list of teams he'd be ok with magically got larger the longer things played out. Who knows what other options would have been there if they had waited? And I get a kick out of comments like "they were not getting anything more than that for Melo". You're just babbling...
Disagree with this. All things considered, I’d say Robinson is a good return for Melo at that point in his career with a no trade.
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In comment 14482582 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 14482576 Greg from LI said:
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Not sure why you blame Perry for him.
Mills wasn’t around then? And now he has zero input and Perry fully runs the show? So why is he around for every important interview and presser?
You think anyone had any input when Jackson was running the show? It was pretty clear that they didn't except maybe Clarence Gaines and Kurt Rambis.
It's also pretty clear that Perry is running the show. The Melo trade talks are the best indication of that.
eh, they set an internal deadline to trade Melo prior to media day. That didn't come from Perry- that's a Mills decision. And it probably impacted the return. And by looking to get decent players who could contribute right away (Kanter/McDermott), they most likely reduced the draft capital coming back in the deal.
They weren't looking for players who could contribute right away. No one was taking Melo into cap space. He had a no trade clause and was only waiving it for teams that could only make salaries match with bad contracts. Talk about revisionist history...
@TheNBACentral
The New York Knicks have shown some interest in Tobias Harris, Nikola Vucevic, DeMarcus Cousins, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, and Julius Randle, per
@TheUndefeated
I’d be furious if they signed any of these guys. And people are complaining and scared of signing Durant....
Also LOL at the guy who kills knox and loves Frank. I know i know ignore him, but come on.
- Who has a lot of capspace? Oh the knicks
- Who are some FA that arent the big 5 everyone has talked about...oh sure vucevic and how bout the morris twins, yea throw them on there.
- Who has a lot of capspace? Oh the knicks
- Who are some FA that arent the big 5 everyone has talked about...oh sure vucevic and how bout the morris twins, yea throw them on there.
It’s coming from Marc Spears who just wrote that article about them. It’s a legit source.
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who looked at:
- Who has a lot of capspace? Oh the knicks
- Who are some FA that arent the big 5 everyone has talked about...oh sure vucevic and how bout the morris twins, yea throw them on there.
It’s coming from Marc Spears who just wrote that article about them. It’s a legit source.
could it be possible names are leaking who could pair with durant?
I agree. I'm interested in Cousins too (as a fall back option if we strike out on the big names), especially since Jalen Rose was saying he could see him take a 3/45 deal (or something like that). Less than the Noah deal anyway. That seems like a good investment on a guy who'll average a double double and fills a need for bigs.
It sounds like Cousins shouldn't have chased the ring as far as his future earnings go. Jalen said his injury likely cost him 100 mill.
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In comment 14482640 Italianju said:
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who looked at:
- Who has a lot of capspace? Oh the knicks
- Who are some FA that arent the big 5 everyone has talked about...oh sure vucevic and how bout the morris twins, yea throw them on there.
It’s coming from Marc Spears who just wrote that article about them. It’s a legit source.
could it be possible names are leaking who could pair with durant?
That’s what I thought when I read the article. Spears and Perry are very close. He wasn’t leaking info like that without Perry handing it to him to do so. He’s not a rumor mill journalist.
That's not what he said. What he said was "in the last 48 hours there's been a lot of talk about KD coming too" in addition to Kyrie to BK obviously. He meant in the media and on social media, IE the Vegas odds shifting. FWIW Stein said that nobody seems to know what KD is thinking and anybody who says otherwise is lying. He said that the Knicks don't know and the Nets don't know (as evidenced by the Nets planning on making runs at other targets in addition to Kyrie).
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said in thenlast 48 hours durant has been leaning towards brooklyn
That's not what he said. What he said was "in the last 48 hours there's been a lot of talk about KD coming too" in addition to Kyrie to BK obviously. He meant in the media and on social media, IE the Vegas odds shifting. FWIW Stein said that nobody seems to know what KD is thinking and anybody who says otherwise is lying. He said that the Knicks don't know and the Nets don't know (as evidenced by the Nets planning on making runs at other targets in addition to Kyrie).
ok tha ks for clarification
Woj also said that the Knicks are searching for contingency options to pair with KD to still make it attractive to him to come here.
Also on the Simmons podcast with Stein, Stein said that he thinks it'll be very hard for KD to follow Kyrie to Brooklyn given the perception that he followed Kyrie that he won't like. Then he said maybe KD has to sign first. (side note from me: That's really stupid because at this point everyone knows Kyrie is going to the Nets and that it would be KD following no matter what order they sign in)
“The public doesn't know. You guys in the media don't know. The only people who really know are the players. You really don't know. You THINK you know, but you don't know. And you never will."
A guy just called in and said his dad works for essex county and said when kyroe was buying the house in south orange he told the real estate agent he was a knick...
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A guy just called in and said his dad works for essex county and said when kyroe was buying the house in south orange he told the real estate agent he was a knick...
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The KD injury changed everything for Irving. Nets can pat themselves on the back but it's the truth.
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a month ago he was hearing the plan was kyrie, durant, melo and jr smith to the knicks and then all of sudden the kyrie to the nets started coming out...
A guy just called in and said his dad works for essex county and said when kyroe was buying the house in south orange he told the real estate agent he was a knick...
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The KD injury changed everything for Irving. Nets can pat themselves on the back but it's the truth.
1000%
Changed everything for the Knicks too. So close, lol. Life as a Knicks fan.
Same. I forget who posted it, but I want Durant as much for the value having a top 5 player brings. We would be a destination for having talent rather than just being a big market. The value Durant brings in terms of that legitimacy may be even more than his talent.
this is kind of how i feel, i would be happy with kd and kyrie but i would rather go with younger vets and build a good young team...
But i would feel sick of kd and irving choose neta over knicks...
Rocking Knick colors in Soho.. just saying
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Rocking Knick colors in Soho.. just saying
his brand ambassador whonis with him basically every second, who has liked knicks related things involving durant all year, posted and i heart new york sign...
obviously the nets are in new york to though
Here's link to CBS story quoting AI, along with related input from a prominent physician about Durant that says what I've believed all along -- that the Warriors also lied, or were seriously misleading, about the seriousness and physical location of Durant's original injury.
The kicker is that, if Durant's anger causes him to go somewhere else, it is very likely the team who pays for his diminished abilities that will bear the brunt of the Warriors' reckless mishandling of his injury.
if it quacks like a duck - ( New Window )
Brother tweeted out a photo of them in soho...
His brand ambassador tweeted a i heart new york sign
I kind of get it for Kyrie since he would be stuck carrying the team by himself this year. ALthough i dont think the Nets roster is so much better then the knicks, but i do agree the culture/winning seems to have helped attract Kyrie.
I think the argument is that the only way you choose the BKN over NYK is if it's all (or substantially all) about basketball. And if it's substantially all about basketball, you choose GSW over BKN.
For the magnitude of player that the concept of a personal brand has importance, it seems misguided to choose BKN over NYK. Doesn't mean it won't happen.
I honestly don't think anyone knows where any of these free agents are going. With all the guys opting out and Boston, Brooklyn, NYK, and LAL getting cap space, there's going to be some overpaid players this offseason.