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Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 3:41 pm


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RE: RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14481828 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14481821 section125 said:


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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)




I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes


He's already up. They recalled him yesterday.
RE: RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14481828 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14481821 section125 said:


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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)




I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes


It hasn't been ten days yet, has it...
RE: RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14481828 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14481821 section125 said:


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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)




I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes


Cortes was called back up when Maybin went in the IL.
updated list in the history of the Yankees  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 10:20 pm : link
6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.
RE: RE: RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14481832 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14481828 Greg from LI said:


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In comment 14481821 section125 said:


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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)




I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes



He's already up. They recalled him yesterday.


Maybin's replacement - injury loophole.
RE: .  
Percy : 6/24/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14481795 arcarsenal said:
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Good lord.

He shouldn't have been allowed to face the 4th batter.

This should be kept in mind. It's really on Boone. Tying run now at the plate.
I stand on what I said. Boone is terrible.  
Red Dog : 6/24/2019 10:21 pm : link
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Gurriell hit Sanchez on his  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
backswing again...
They  
nygnyy274 : 6/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
Can’t get this fucking Sogard out it’s annoying
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
Sucks we had to even use Otto at all there. But, he gets it done as usual. Only needed 3 bullets.
RE: I stand on what I said. Boone is terrible.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14481838 Red Dog said:
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You can say it 500 more times, you'll still be wrong.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:23 pm : link
If you think Aaron Boone is a terrible manager, there's a guy across town who wants you to hold his beer.
Boone did the heady thing  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:23 pm : link
I don't mind it. It was a test and Holder failed. He gets sent down. I think it makes sense to do and I think Holder would appreciate the situation.

Maybe I'm crazy.
It was not good planning by Boone this  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:25 pm : link
time. He probably lost Green as the opener tomorrow. I guess if he sends Holder down and Tarpley(or Adams) comes up, they can use him or Adams.
Boone is not terrible relative to other managers  
xman : 6/24/2019 10:26 pm : link
There's plenty I don't like about his style but talent covers many shortcomings and this team has talent. We are not in first because of Boone nor despite him.

RE: updated list in the history of the Yankees  
Percy : 6/24/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14481835 RasputinPrime said:
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6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.

Favorite factoide from this thread.
Stanton  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:26 pm : link
will get his 2nd here....
RE: Boone did the heady thing  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14481844 adamg said:
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I don't mind it. It was a test and Holder failed. He gets sent down. I think it makes sense to do and I think Holder would appreciate the situation.

Maybe I'm crazy.


Nah you're not crazy. It was the sensible thing to do and as was said earlier, if they can't use him up 10-2, he shouldn't be on the roster.
RE: It was not good planning by Boone this  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14481845 section125 said:
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time. He probably lost Green as the opener tomorrow. I guess if he sends Holder down and Tarpley(or Adams) comes up, they can use him or Adams.


Greenie might still be able to give us an inning tomorrow - he didn't have to work too hard tonight.

I think they'll most likely go with Cortes/Hale to get them through 5-6+ - and I could also see Tarpley being recalled if they do decide to send Holder down to SWB.
I didn't mind leaving in Holder with the bases loaded  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/24/2019 10:30 pm : link
It was a 10-3 game. I don't care that he wasn't pitching well at the time. The odds of a grand slam are very low and even with a GS it is still a 3-run lead in the 8th with many strong bullpen arms at their disposal should it become a three-run lead.

Keep in mind that over the last 5/10/30 years (results stay pretty consistent), a home team with a 3-run lead in the top of the 8th inning with no outs wins 95% of the time. And again, that would be after giving up a Grand Slam which is the worst case scenario for leaving in Holder.

It was the perfect opportunity to let Holder grind and try and pitch his way out.


https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/stats.html#V.3.8.0.1.2014.2018 - ( New Window )
When has anyone been able to right himself here? Ever?  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/24/2019 10:33 pm : link
Both Green and Kahnle had to spend time in the minors.

Just do it already. Send him down.
RE: updated list in the history of the Yankees  
LarmerTJR : 6/24/2019 10:33 pm : link
Rasputin

Who were the others? Just for context...

In comment 14481835 RasputinPrime said:
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6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.
RE: I didn't mind leaving in Holder with the bases loaded  
Percy : 6/24/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14481853 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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It was a 10-3 game. I don't care that he wasn't pitching well at the time. The odds of a grand slam are very low and even with a GS it is still a 3-run lead in the 8th with many strong bullpen arms at their disposal should it become a three-run lead.

Keep in mind that over the last 5/10/30 years (results stay pretty consistent), a home team with a 3-run lead in the top of the 8th inning with no outs wins 95% of the time. And again, that would be after giving up a Grand Slam which is the worst case scenario for leaving in Holder.

It was the perfect opportunity to let Holder grind and try and pitch his way out.
https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/stats.html#V.3.8.0.1.2014.2018 - ( New Window )


Very low odds with Holder pitching as he has been lately? Not that low.
RE: RE: updated list in the history of the Yankees  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14481855 LarmerTJR said:
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Rasputin

Who were the others? Just for context...

In comment 14481835 RasputinPrime said:


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6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.



Not sure. I follow Katie Sharp on twitter and she just posted it. Highly recommend following her.
Even if you think that Holder gives up a HR 20%  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/24/2019 10:40 pm : link
of the time in that spot (which is unrealistically high), that means that the Yankees still had a 99% chance to win the game at 10-3 bases loaded.

RE: RE: I didn't mind leaving in Holder with the bases loaded  
Nine-Tails : 6/24/2019 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14481857 Percy said:
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In comment 14481853 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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It was a 10-3 game. I don't care that he wasn't pitching well at the time. The odds of a grand slam are very low and even with a GS it is still a 3-run lead in the 8th with many strong bullpen arms at their disposal should it become a three-run lead.

Keep in mind that over the last 5/10/30 years (results stay pretty consistent), a home team with a 3-run lead in the top of the 8th inning with no outs wins 95% of the time. And again, that would be after giving up a Grand Slam which is the worst case scenario for leaving in Holder.

It was the perfect opportunity to let Holder grind and try and pitch his way out.
https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/stats.html#V.3.8.0.1.2014.2018 - ( New Window )



Very low odds with Holder pitching as he has been lately? Not that low.


One thing about Boone is that he always waits for shit to hit the fan before making a move. I remember the good days with Girardis quick hook.

The flip side of Boone having a long leash, is the trust he places in his guys, gotta imagine that helps.
Nine tails  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:46 pm : link
I don't know that that's always the case. Boone seems more selective imo. Some nights he has a quicker hook than other nights. Girardi just seemed to always have a quick hook. I think I prefer Boone's approach. I think it's better for the players, and I think the players respond to it. Like the way he let CC finish the 6th.
Chapman does not have good  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:49 pm : link
stuff tonight..
Jesus nothings easy lol  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 10:49 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: updated list in the history of the Yankees  
LarmerTJR : 6/24/2019 10:50 pm : link
Rasputin

Ok, cool. Following her now. Thanks!

In comment 14481860 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 14481855 LarmerTJR said:


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Rasputin

Who were the others? Just for context...

In comment 14481835 RasputinPrime said:


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6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.





Not sure. I follow Katie Sharp on twitter and she just posted it. Highly recommend following her.
Red Sox win on a lucky play  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:53 pm : link
Shortstop went to first when he should have gone to third in a bases loaded two out situation.
He might try  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:53 pm : link
getting down around the knees.
Urshela! WOW  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:54 pm : link
What a play
WTG Jints!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:55 pm : link
50 wins!
a win is a win  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 10:55 pm : link
and this one was certainly a win.

That was a nice play by Gio to end it.
RE: Even if you think that Holder gives up a HR 20%  
Percy : 6/24/2019 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14481861 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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of the time in that spot (which is unrealistically high), that means that the Yankees still had a 99% chance to win the game at 10-3 bases loaded.

The disagreement was about the odds on Holder giving up a grand slam in that situation, which you postulated were "very low," not whether the Yankees would win anyway even if he did give one up -- as he did.
Percy  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/24/2019 11:05 pm : link
that's fair. "Very low" is a vague term. I still considered his odds of giving up a HR there to be very low relative to all other potential outcomes.
RE: Percy  
Percy : 6/24/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14481879 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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that's fair. "Very low" is a vague term. I still considered his odds of giving up a HR there to be very low relative to all other potential outcomes.

Well, frankly, so did I. I mean really!
Deivi Garcia with another 5 inning no hit gem  
xman : 6/25/2019 12:34 am : link
9k's 2 BB. Trenton no hit the tough Reading team
50 wins!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/25/2019 12:53 am : link
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Holder optioned to AAA  
JPinstripes : 6/25/2019 6:17 am : link
No corresponding move yet, my guess is Tarpley who last pitched 3 days ago and adds another lefty to the pen.

Albert Abreu is on the 40 man roster and has pitched quite well his last 3-4 starts for AA Trenton. He last pitched on the 19th so his normal start day is today - ***SUPER LONG SHOT, but the Yanks may need a stretched out arm tonight on standby in the event of long-extras.
RE: 50 wins!  
rnargi : 6/25/2019 8:29 am : link
In comment 14481910 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Yup! Thanks to Jints!
Eeeesh you take that win and move on when you're on a roll  
Stu11 : 6/25/2019 8:39 am : link
Toronto sucks, bash them and move on. Good to see Stanton hit his 1st bomb of the year. DJ keeps on keepin on.
RE: Holder optioned to AAA  
M.S. : 6/25/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14481919 JPinstripes said:
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No corresponding move yet, my guess is Tarpley who last pitched 3 days ago and adds another lefty to the pen.

Albert Abreu is on the 40 man roster and has pitched quite well his last 3-4 starts for AA Trenton. He last pitched on the 19th so his normal start day is today - ***SUPER LONG SHOT, but the Yanks may need a stretched out arm tonight on standby in the event of long-extras.


Holder couldn't Hold'em anymore.
some of the bellyaching  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 8:45 am : link
about Boone is absurd.

The guy's team is rattling off win after win after win and he's doing it with 4 starting pitchers, 2 of which are ideally number #5 guys in a rotation.

He took a risk in a spot where he could avoid to take a risk. It blew up in his face.....and his team still won by 2 runs!

I'd have sent Holder down weeks ago...so I probably wouldn't have handled it exactly the same way last night...but how can you not at least see his angle?
RE: Eeeesh you take that win and move on when you're on a roll  
M.S. : 6/25/2019 8:47 am : link
In comment 14481964 Stu11 said:
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Toronto sucks, bash them and move on. Good to see Stanton hit his 1st bomb of the year. DJ keeps on keepin on.


I've really got to use my imagination
To think of good reasons
To keep on keepin' on
This is some of the dumbest shoit you'll ever read  
arniefez : 6/25/2019 8:48 am : link
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I didn't mind leaving in Holder with the bases loaded
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/24/2019 10:30 pm : link : reply
It was a 10-3 game. I don't care that he wasn't pitching well at the time. The odds of a grand slam are very low and even with a GS it is still a 3-run lead in the 8th with many strong bullpen arms at their disposal should it become a three-run lead.

Keep in mind that over the last 5/10/30 years (results stay pretty consistent), a home team with a 3-run lead in the top of the 8th inning with no outs wins 95% of the time. And again, that would be after giving up a Grand Slam which is the worst case scenario for leaving in Holder.

It was the perfect opportunity to let Holder grind and try and pitch his way out.
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There's another game today. Chapman won't be able to pitch today if needed. Green was supposed to start the game today. It's not about the win probability for the next hour. Games aren't played in a vacuum.
Chapman  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 8:58 am : link
could absolutely pitch again tonight. He was on 2 days rest last night, and his June workload has been very light (7.1 IP to this point).

They also have another bona fide closer sitting in the bullpen if Boone decides to stay away from him.

But carry on. Not a lot else to complain about with this team right now. So bang that drum.
Betances  
Mike Graves : 6/25/2019 9:09 am : link
When is he coming back, not only do the Yankees need another starting pitcher they need to get another reliever to.
RE: some of the bellyaching  
Stu11 : 6/25/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14481969 bigbluehoya said:
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about Boone is absurd.

The guy's team is rattling off win after win after win and he's doing it with 4 starting pitchers, 2 of which are ideally number #5 guys in a rotation.

He took a risk in a spot where he could avoid to take a risk. It blew up in his face.....and his team still won by 2 runs!

I'd have sent Holder down weeks ago...so I probably wouldn't have handled it exactly the same way last night...but how can you not at least see his angle?

Yep you really have to stretch it like a pretzel to find a way to criticize Boone at this point. There were nights this 1st half where we put out a mediocre AAA lineup, and here we are 5 games up in one of the toughest divisions in baseball. Pitchers in the Majors have to get guys out. Especially in a 10-2 game. You can't use your elite relievers in a 10-3 game in the 8th. Especially when your SP's are giving you 5 max 6 innings a night.
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