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NFT: Blue Jays at Yankees GDT 6/24

Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 3:41 pm


Interesting with DJ at first and Luke DHing  
adamg : 6/24/2019 3:44 pm : link
Maybe they expect Eddy to pinch hit if need be.
Biggio is the real deal.  
BigBlue2112 : 6/24/2019 3:50 pm : link
Killed the sox last series. Him, Vladdy Jr, and Bichette will be thorns in the Yanks sides for years
weather  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 3:52 pm : link
71 degrees at first pitch, mostly cloudy, no chance of rain.
I wonder if this matchup facilitates a trade for Stroman.  
robbieballs2003 : 6/24/2019 3:52 pm : link
I feel like when teams play one another it gets them talking more about a potential trade.
Speaking of Stroman  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 3:54 pm : link
he pitched very well against Boston
RE: I wonder if this matchup facilitates a trade for Stroman.  
adamg : 6/24/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14481390 robbieballs2003 said:
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I feel like when teams play one another it gets them talking more about a potential trade.


I hope so. I love when the Yanks bring in/retain NY guys. I pray they extend Betances.
Encarnacion  
PaulN : 6/24/2019 3:58 pm : link
Needs a blow, that DH'ing can be a killer.
RE: Encarnacion  
adamg : 6/24/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14481405 PaulN said:
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Needs a blow, that DH'ing can be a killer.


He's been making diving plays at first this past week. He's not a complete scrub in the field.
RE: RE: Encarnacion  
section125 : 6/24/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14481417 adamg said:
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Needs a blow, that DH'ing can be a killer.



He's been making diving plays at first this past week. He's not a complete scrub in the field.


I think he will push Voit at 1st. I like it. EE made some nice plays over there.

Still waiting on full Death Star lineup, not that this one is bad.
Judge and EE resting today....  
Tesla : 6/24/2019 4:11 pm : link
I said this previously.....I don't think we'll ever see our 'A' lineup that we all talk about. Yanks simply refuse to play all their best players at once.

I can NEVER recall a team that would simply never put it's best lineup on the field. It would always be the norm to have you regular lineup playing....and the execution would be when you'd give a guy a day off. But with this team the norm is to have two guys resting on any given day.
While I'm bummed we still don't have the full lineup  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 4:17 pm : link
I trust what Boone is doing. The results speak for themselves.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 4:22 pm : link
I think most of this is that so we can see the "A" lineup on a more regular basis in the Fall when we're going to need it the most.

This is all cumulative load management and what their data tells them will get optimal performance out of each player over the long-term.

As a fan from the outside, of course I just want to see our best lineup out there, but based on results to date, it's hard for me to really question what they're doing. Quite simply, it's working. The Mariners are the only team who has plated more runs than NYY this month.

So, the production is there.
RE: Judge and EE resting today....  
mfsd : 6/24/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14481422 Tesla said:
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I said this previously.....I don't think we'll ever see our 'A' lineup that we all talk about. Yanks simply refuse to play all their best players at once.

I can NEVER recall a team that would simply never put it's best lineup on the field. It would always be the norm to have you regular lineup playing....and the execution would be when you'd give a guy a day off. But with this team the norm is to have two guys resting on any given day.


I suspect we will here and there...but I also think some guys have been playing everyday and were overdue for a couple days off (DJ, Voit, Gleyber) and others are going to have their playing time 'managed' as they're coming back from injuries (Hicks, Stanton, Judge)

It's a luxury to be able to sit Judge and Encarnacion tonight and still roll out the lineup we are
Do they really have both Thursday and Friday off?  
BigBlueShock : 6/24/2019 4:24 pm : link
What’s the deal with that?
RE: Do they really have both Thursday and Friday off?  
mfsd : 6/24/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14481447 BigBlueShock said:
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What’s the deal with that?


flying to London for the Sox series
RE: Do they really have both Thursday and Friday off?  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14481447 BigBlueShock said:
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What’s the deal with that?


A little extra time for the London trip.
Hicks batting 3rd  
Nine-Tails : 6/24/2019 4:25 pm : link
I understand he's a switch hitter, but with the way he's playing, he should not be batting third, especially with this team
Speaking of this weekend  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 4:25 pm : link
I am heading off to Disney World from Saturday until July 5 so I am 99.9% sure I won't be making the game day threads...Someone has to run with the ball....you better not start a losing streak!
I agree with mfsd  
adamg : 6/24/2019 4:26 pm : link
The Death Star'll be an occasional thing. We'll need to savor it in the regular season.

And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the post season. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?
RE: RE: Do they really have both Thursday and Friday off?  
BigBlueShock : 6/24/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14481448 mfsd said:
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In comment 14481447 BigBlueShock said:


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What’s the deal with that?



flying to London for the Sox series

Oh shoot, that’s right. Thanks!
For those who missed Old Timer's day on Sunday  
Stan in LA : 6/24/2019 4:38 pm : link
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Here's a link to the event - ( New Window )
RE: I agree with mfsd  
section125 : 6/24/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14481452 adamg said:
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The Death Star'll be an occasional thing. We'll need to savor it in the regular season.

And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the postseason. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?


Of course this is a bit of "whining" but aside from Romine, even the bench is part of the Death Star and Romine had big HR the other night.

Right now the three "weakest" players are:(think about this)
1.) Romine - backup catcher
2.) Hicks - switch hitting allstar quality defensive CF
3.) Gardner - allstar quality defensive LF

Happ and Holder don't count or they would be #1 and #2.
RE: I agree with mfsd  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14481452 adamg said:
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The Death Star'll be an occasional thing. We'll need to savor it in the regular season.

And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the post season. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?


Yes no question but I'd sure like to see it when we play the Sox.

I know we're sitting in good shape as far as the Division goes but there's still a lot of season left. I want that Division title and hopefully home field too but the Division is big for me. I hate the one game WC, and potential one and done.

Those Sox games are two game swings in the standings and hopefully we see the Death Star in the majority of those games. If we open up a double digit division lead that's different but as long as the Sox (or even the Rays) are a bad week away from catching up, I'd like to see our best on the field when we play them.

JMHO of course and not saying the Yanks have to do it or they're wrong, just what I'd like and hope to see.
I  
Steve in Greenwich : 6/24/2019 4:55 pm : link
would bet the first time you see the "ultimate" lineup is going to be Saturday vs the Sox. That lineup will only be trotted out following ample rest during the regular season, they wont make one of their top players sit for 3 days (the two off days and Saturday); that's just overkill.
Eman  
adamg : 6/24/2019 4:58 pm : link
I can't say I wouldn't like to see them put out monster line ups everyday, but I trust them to play the long game.

And I do think we benefit from home field a lot too and that they should take that into consideration.

But at the end of the day, any regular season game means nothing compared to the postseason.
RE: RE: I agree with mfsd  
Nine-Tails : 6/24/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14481470 section125 said:
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In comment 14481452 adamg said:


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The Death Star'll be an occasional thing. We'll need to savor it in the regular season.

And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the postseason. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?



Of course this is a bit of "whining" but aside from Romine, even the bench is part of the Death Star and Romine had big HR the other night.

Right now the three "weakest" players are:(think about this)
1.) Romine - backup catcher
2.) Hicks - switch hitting allstar quality defensive CF
3.) Gardner - allstar quality defensive LF

Happ and Holder don't count or they would be #1 and #2.


Gardner isn't an allstar caliber player at this point in his career, but he is best 4th outfielder in the league
RE: Eman  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14481484 adamg said:
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I can't say I wouldn't like to see them put out monster line ups everyday, but I trust them to play the long game.

And I do think we benefit from home field a lot too and that they should take that into consideration.

But at the end of the day, any regular season game means nothing compared to the postseason.


I agree with ya. I know I've questioned them sometimes and would've liked to see guys play more but yes, the results can't be argued with.

No doubt we'd all like to see their best every day but they have the depth to keep everyone fresh and sharp too.

While the post season is the most important, I think setting ourselves up as best as possible to succeed there is important too. That's why the Division is big for me, and playing our best guys as much as possible in the big division games is important too.

Let em rest vs the O's and the also fans of the AL.
RE: RE: RE: I agree with mfsd  
section125 : 6/24/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14481486 Nine-Tails said:
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Of course this is a bit of "whining" but aside from Romine, even the bench is part of the Death Star and Romine had big HR the other night.

Right now the three "weakest" players are:(think about this)
1.) Romine - backup catcher
2.) Hicks - switch hitting allstar quality defensive CF
3.) Gardner - allstar quality defensive LF

Happ and Holder don't count or they would be #1 and #2.



Gardner isn't an allstar caliber player at this point in his career, but he is best 4th outfielder in the league


Gardner IS still one of the best LFers in baseball. He doesn't hit well anymore and he isn't even Brett Gardner of two years ago in the OF, but he is still a very good LF and I'd still say a VG CF. He was so good that we are judging him against himself not others.
Gardner is quietly on pace for a bunch of homeruns  
adamg : 6/24/2019 5:17 pm : link
he's already at 11. He could set his career high.

And he's still fast as hell.

Never sleep on Grit. When he gets hot, he's fun to watch.
Start us a new streak, Jints!  
rnargi : 6/24/2019 6:08 pm : link
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expect 2 hits from Sogard tonight  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 6:31 pm : link
because of some deal with the devil he made in Brooklyn a few years back.

Let's beat the piss out of the Jays and be sharp for the Boston series.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 6:33 pm : link
Just looking at Eric Sogard fucking bothers me.
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Bill2 : 6/24/2019 6:48 pm : link
One of the many reasons its fun to watch the Yankees these days is the methodical search for differential advantage

Back in Georges day we looked for star players

Then Gene Michael introduced some home grown developed players

Then during the wind down and transition we wound up with a mix...a misshapen mix

Then this new renaissance. What I enjoy now is adding the advantage the FO brings in grinding out finds and depth and ways to aim for the end point even in June ( in managing the workloads) and investing in pitch recognition technology and dual language courses in the minors and more coaches, video and analysis deeper into the minors.

I think they are going to surprise us in the trading period. I think the original plan called for an even more dominant bullpen. Whats more important...the Astros and the Sox need better bullpens. We could use a depth starter but I think the aim will be making sure any really good bullpen arms come to us. Whats more, offseason, we can always trade one for a good return

Bill2  
adamg : 6/24/2019 6:58 pm : link
It really has become a ridiculous machine. The well run teams are just on another level. I don't remember baseball being as polarized between elite, untouchable playoff teams and then the rest which includes the usual mix of good and bad. In other words, the rich are richer than ever I can remember.
Gardner  
PaulN : 6/24/2019 7:05 pm : link
Is not on pace for a bunch of homers, he hasn't been able to keep up the pace he sets in the first half. But they shouldn't need him to.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 7:06 pm : link
Competitive advantages have definitely stretched way beyond payroll.

Years ago, if you could outspend other teams on players, you could usually edge them out.

Now; investments need to be made in so many other areas. Teams like NYY have constructed very significant analytic departments. There's so much player data being collected that they find uses for - including what was touched on earlier in the thread regarding rest days and optimizing player performance.

In the past, you'd basically have your "A" lineup out there most days and then you'd give guys a blow here and there and that was really it. There wasn't the same amount of analysis going on behind lineup construction - the thinkings were so much more conventional.

Now, with the Yanks, you almost never see the same lineup 2 days in a row.

Basically, if you're not following suit with the teams that have moved ahead and are investing heavily in analytics and other data; you're probably not going to have a very good chance at competing. Teams stuck in the past are going to get left in the dust until they change their approach.
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Bill2 : 6/24/2019 7:15 pm : link
adam and Arc,

Notice this way of playing, with its emphasis on depth and multiple positions for some players plus signing your core early could not have worked if lots of payroll was stuck for years on Harper or Machado. They got those decisions right.

Even the use of the DH is different than its original model of a hitter who could not field
And right on cue,  
section125 : 6/24/2019 7:17 pm : link
a walk comes back to bite CC in the butt on a cheesy little bloop double.
Great play by Hicks!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 7:18 pm : link
Wow
That looked like it should have been Judge's  
adamg : 6/24/2019 7:19 pm : link
but Hicks beat him to it.
Any questions about  
section125 : 6/24/2019 7:19 pm : link
Hicks...?
RE: That looked like it should have been Judge's  
section125 : 6/24/2019 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14481574 adamg said:
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but Hicks beat him to it.


Stanton(not Judge) and the CF has right of way on any ball he can get too.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 7:22 pm : link
Passing on Machado and Harper definitely look to be good decisions at this point.

The Phillies are in a tailspin right now and the Pads are under .500 even with Machado. It just doesn't seem like these massive spends yield the ROI.

DJ has flat been a more valuable player than Machado to date this year - and the investment on DJ is tiny compared to what it would have taken to sign Manny.

Sometimes, the megadeals just seem lazy to me. There are often much better values out there if the teams know what they're looking for and can find the right fits like we've done with LeMahieu.

Being so invested in player data and specific numbers will open doors to much smarter signings and deals - which is why Cashman seems to so often win his trades and wind up inking productive players.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 7:23 pm : link
Bad start for CC.

The Jays have been a fucking pain so far this year. Probably the most annoying team in the division in 2019. This years' O's, I guess...
RE: RE: That looked like it should have been Judge's  
adamg : 6/24/2019 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14481576 section125 said:
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but Hicks beat him to it.



Stanton(not Judge) and the CF has right of way on any ball he can get too.


They're both such huge guys, I couldn't even tell the difference. lol.
Another  
JoshB : 6/24/2019 7:24 pm : link
Awful start
DJ whiffs on a ball  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 7:24 pm : link
and costs us a run.

2-0

I really don't like the Yankee-omatic 2.1 approach to lineups and defense. Not at all.
RE: Another  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14481581 JoshB said:
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Awful start


Yeah this year has sucked.
first pitch to DJ  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 7:26 pm : link
2 inches outside...strike.

Just no words anymore.
RE: .  
adamg : 6/24/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14481578 arcarsenal said:
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Passing on Machado and Harper definitely look to be good decisions at this point.

The Phillies are in a tailspin right now and the Pads are under .500 even with Machado. It just doesn't seem like these massive spends yield the ROI.

DJ has flat been a more valuable player than Machado to date this year - and the investment on DJ is tiny compared to what it would have taken to sign Manny.

Sometimes, the megadeals just seem lazy to me. There are often much better values out there if the teams know what they're looking for and can find the right fits like we've done with LeMahieu.

Being so invested in player data and specific numbers will open doors to much smarter signings and deals - which is why Cashman seems to so often win his trades and wind up inking productive players.


I agree. You'll appreciate this, given your history. But, in the time I lived in the DMV area and was following the Nats via the local news, the best move the Nats made was stealing Daniel Murphy from the Mets on the cheap. The DJ signing seems like a reiteration of that.
RE: RE: RE: That looked like it should have been Judge's  
section125 : 6/24/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14481580 adamg said:
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In comment 14481574 adamg said:


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but Hicks beat him to it.



Stanton(not Judge) and the CF has right of way on any ball he can get too.



They're both such huge guys, I couldn't even tell the difference. lol.


pssst, I thought the same thing on the Guerrero double.
RE: RE: Another  
section125 : 6/24/2019 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14481584 Jints in Carolina said:
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Awful start



Yeah this year has sucked.


Far too many home runs and once they get behind, they never come back...
Gary K's  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 7:32 pm : link
on a ball that went 55 feet and outside.
RE: Gary K's  
section125 : 6/24/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14481591 RasputinPrime said:
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on a ball that went 55 feet and outside.


I'd never throw him a strike with two strikes...sliders low and away..
RE: RE: Gary K's  
adamg : 6/24/2019 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14481593 section125 said:
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on a ball that went 55 feet and outside.



I'd never throw him a strike with two strikes...sliders low and away..


You could probably say this about half our lineup.
RE: RE: RE: Gary K's  
section125 : 6/24/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14481597 adamg said:
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on a ball that went 55 feet and outside.



I'd never throw him a strike with two strikes...sliders low and away..



You could probably say this about half our lineup.


Maybe so, but Gary really is bad on those way off the plate sliders. He stands out. Some swing at more, but he swings at the most outrageous.
RE: RE: Gary K's  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14481593 section125 said:
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on a ball that went 55 feet and outside.



I'd never throw him a strike with two strikes...sliders low and away..


Did he not see the 0-2 pitch to Hicks? What did he think he was gonna get at 0-2?

I like Gary and wouldn't trade him for any catcher in the game but sometimes I can't help but think he might not be the sharpest tool in the shed.
Agreed section.  
adamg : 6/24/2019 7:51 pm : link
I can't believe fricken McKinney made a great play in right to save a run. Of all people to do well in the field.
I still wish they tested him anyway  
adamg : 6/24/2019 7:52 pm : link
But Didi probably would have been thrown out
RE: Agreed section.  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 7:52 pm : link
In comment 14481610 adamg said:
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I can't believe fricken McKinney made a great play in right to save a run. Of all people to do well in the field.


I wasn't a fan of including him in the deal for Happ last year. Unless the BJs were really high on him, I figured we might need the depth. He is a solid platoon OFer.
Is Toronto  
nygnyy274 : 6/24/2019 7:54 pm : link
Going to be the team that gives us trouble all year like Baltimore did last year
Kraken!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 7:57 pm : link
Missile
RE: RE: Agreed section.  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14481614 RasputinPrime said:
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In comment 14481610 adamg said:


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I can't believe fricken McKinney made a great play in right to save a run. Of all people to do well in the field.



I wasn't a fan of including him in the deal for Happ last year. Unless the BJs were really high on him, I figured we might need the depth. He is a solid platoon OFer.


Well his numbers look awful this year. So at least it hasn't hurt us in the short run.
CC Command  
Percy : 6/24/2019 8:00 pm : link
Off tonight early (didn't see it; couldn't find right stream), but seems to be regaining it. Great throw by Sanchez for the out had to help, too.
Actually, neither Drury or McKinney  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:02 pm : link
look like winners from that trade.

As DJ gets on base again...
RE: Kraken!  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14481617 adamg said:
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Missile


The guy's physical tools are A+. No doubt about that.

I guess I'm just greedy and wish he had the instincts and baseball smarts of a Jeter or ARod. He's young enough to develop them more and here's hoping he does.
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Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 8:06 pm : link
Awful at bat by Voit.
They have seen some pitchers  
section125 : 6/24/2019 8:07 pm : link
with nasty two seamers and good enough sliders to make it hard to see what he is actually being thrown.
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section125 : 6/24/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14481629 Jints in Carolina said:
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Awful at bat by Voit.


That is why Gary swung at that pitch 55 ft outside....nasty two seamer that breaks back over the plate and appears to be the slider.
LOL  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:11 pm : link
Sorry for comparing Gary with the rest of them in that regard section. That first pitch swing in this AB was ridiculous too.
Hicks is caught looking  
section125 : 6/24/2019 8:11 pm : link
far too often by innocuous pitches.
crap - great play by Grichuk  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2019 8:12 pm : link
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Even with some guys getting rest  
Kyle in NY : 6/24/2019 8:12 pm : link
Hicks hitting third is very odd
Imagine Gary hasn't reached his full potential  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:12 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 8:13 pm : link
Damn, the Sanchino got robbed. He laced that ball.

Just a great play by Grichuk. Cap tip.
That was a great catch  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:13 pm : link
Wish it happened to another team.
Sanchez liner  
section125 : 6/24/2019 8:13 pm : link
looked like it died.
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Percy : 6/24/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14481640 arcarsenal said:
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Damn, the Sanchino got robbed. He laced that ball.

Just a great play by Grichuk. Cap tip.

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RE: crap - great play by Grichuk  
section125 : 6/24/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14481637 Del Shofner said:
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I think they are hoping that he sees better pitches with Sanchez behind him. Problem is he has to swing at them.
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 8:18 pm : link
CC has settled in nicely.

We just need to get on the board now.
Deivi update  
JPinstripes : 6/24/2019 8:25 pm : link
5 innings, 0 hits, 2 walk and 9 Ks
RE: Deivi update  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14481649 JPinstripes said:
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5 innings, 0 hits, 2 walk and 9 Ks


Too many Ks. Real pitchers get ground outs. /s
CC is getting a favorable zone  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:30 pm : link
imho
Keep in mind that sorry Sanchez  
prdave73 : 6/24/2019 8:31 pm : link
Has allowed 21 runs in the last 3 games.. Time to wake up Yanks..
RE: Keep in mind that sorry Sanchez  
section125 : 6/24/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14481656 prdave73 said:
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Has allowed 21 runs in the last 3 games.. Time to wake up Yanks..


Yeah and the Yanks scored about 28 in the last four. Neither have anything to do with today.
RE: Keep in mind that sorry Sanchez  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14481656 prdave73 said:
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Has allowed 21 runs in the last 3 games.. Time to wake up Yanks..


That's baseball, Suzyn.
Sanchez has looked good today  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:41 pm : link
their outfielders made two outlier plays that saved runs, what are you going to do...
How many more rips are  
section125 : 6/24/2019 8:42 pm : link
going to be stopped by Sanchez. The Yanks are putting some good wood on the ball and getting nothing...
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arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 8:45 pm : link
Hicks heard you guys. :)
HICKSIE!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:45 pm : link
Glad he was in the three hole!
RE: Even with some guys getting rest  
Kyle in NY : 6/24/2019 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14481638 Kyle in NY said:
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Hicks hitting third is very odd


Nailed it lol
HICKS 3 run HR  
dpinzow : 6/24/2019 8:45 pm : link
Yanks up 3-2 and they tie the all-time record for consecutive games with a HR as a team (27 games in a row)
Yep...they have been  
section125 : 6/24/2019 8:46 pm : link
hitting Sanchez hard and finally a result.
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mfsd : 6/24/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14481667 arcarsenal said:
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Hicks heard you guys. :)


Haha yup...Hicks wanted off the BBI hit list!
Never doubt boone and his lineups lol  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 8:46 pm : link
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Is it fair to call that bad managing?  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:46 pm : link
It seemed like he was clearly going to give up some runs, but he's scoreless through 4.1... do you take him out?
Can't stop these Yanks bats for long  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 8:50 pm : link
You can only hope to contain them. Lol
Nevermind  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:50 pm : link
I guess I'm more thinking about just this game and not managing a team. You can't take out a starter there in the regular season I guess. In the postseason, maybe?
RE: Is it fair to call that bad managing?  
section125 : 6/24/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14481675 adamg said:
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It seemed like he was clearly going to give up some runs, but he's scoreless through 4.1... do you take him out?


No, that was not bad managing. Have to let pitchers pitch a little bit.
CC  
Percy : 6/24/2019 8:54 pm : link
High pitch count now.
Paul O'Neil has been great tonight  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:57 pm : link
calling the game.
RE: RE: Is it fair to call that bad managing?  
adamg : 6/24/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14481680 section125 said:
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It seemed like he was clearly going to give up some runs, but he's scoreless through 4.1... do you take him out?
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No, that was not bad managing. Have to let pitchers pitch a little bit.


Sounds right. Thanks section
Paul  
Bill2 : 6/24/2019 8:59 pm : link
is getting better and he adds a lot of insights.

Easy to listen to as well
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 9:02 pm : link
CC!

Fantastic outing for him after a tough first.

Another 6 inning outing for him. Gutsy.

Let's get him this W.
Big K for CC!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:02 pm : link
Love that moment.
Between Cone and Paul  
Bill2 : 6/24/2019 9:02 pm : link
they keep Kay under control for he has a voice but a twenty fifth of the knowledge about baseball...and they all know it.

As guys used to snap between guys and an ear for pretension they can cut him up...and they all know that as well
Outstanding work CC!  
mfsd : 6/24/2019 9:02 pm : link
He may be well past his prime, but still love his chances in a tight spot
RE: Paul  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14481689 Bill2 said:
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is getting better and he adds a lot of insights.

Easy to listen to as well

Yeah, at times he's a total goofball. But today, he's had some insight.
RE: .  
Percy : 6/24/2019 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14481694 arcarsenal said:
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CC!

Fantastic outing for him after a tough first.

Another 6 inning outing for him. Gutsy.

Let's get him this W.


Indeed. Glad they let him pitch his way out of it.
Not going to lie  
bigbluehoya : 6/24/2019 9:04 pm : link
He’d have pulled Sabathia after the first baserunner there if I had my druthers.

Happy to be wrong. Nice night from CC after a very unpromising first inning.
Great AB by Torres  
mfsd : 6/24/2019 9:10 pm : link
seemed like he fouled off 12 pitches
I can't believe Sanchez is still in this game  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:10 pm : link
TOR must have no bullpen. We get spoiled as Yankee fans, when a guy loses it, we can replace him in any situation.
Gio another hit  
section125 : 6/24/2019 9:13 pm : link
w/RISP....
would ball have gone foul?  
xman : 6/24/2019 9:14 pm : link
jr maybe misplayed that
Big two runs  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:15 pm : link
Good job by Urshela and Gardy.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 9:16 pm : link
Oh, look... another 3 hit game for DJ.

I love this man.
RE: would ball have gone foul?  
section125 : 6/24/2019 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14481708 xman said:
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jr maybe misplayed that


20 years old, they make mistakes, but I don't think it was going foul. The spin was not there.
.  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:19 pm : link
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 9:20 pm : link
Luuuuuuuuuuuuuukeeeeee
LUUUKE!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:20 pm : link
Broke it open, baby.
RE: .  
section125 : 6/24/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14481715 adamg said:
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Wellllll, ummm, ok
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 9:29 pm : link
BIG G!

Busted this fucking shit wide open.

LFG.
Stanton 3 run big fly  
dpinzow : 6/24/2019 9:29 pm : link
At least 450 feet
Hell yeah! STANTON BOMB!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:29 pm : link
Wow.
boo that!  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2019 9:30 pm : link
Some shot there.
RE: RE: .  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14481721 section125 said:
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Wellllll, ummm, ok


He's batting over 450 with RISP, man.
This Yanks offense is going to wreck  
mfsd : 6/24/2019 9:31 pm : link
pitching staffs mentally as much as physically. The Blue Jays have to be sitting their thinking 2 more games of this after tonight?
Stanton  
Percy : 6/24/2019 9:32 pm : link
Returns.
GD Home runs!  
section125 : 6/24/2019 9:32 pm : link
You cannot win hitting homers. Stanton wasting our time. A single brings home 2....no there is a lost ball.
two hits in the same inning  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2019 9:33 pm : link
for Didi.
I’m glad they woke up!  
prdave73 : 6/24/2019 9:33 pm : link
Very Nice!
RE: This Yanks offense is going to wreck  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14481732 mfsd said:
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pitching staffs mentally as much as physically. The Blue Jays have to be sitting their thinking 2 more games of this after tonight?


Too many HR's.

PASS.
RE: RE: RE: .  
section125 : 6/24/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14481730 adamg said:
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Wellllll, ummm, ok



He's batting over 450 with RISP, man.


Closer to .460 but you could just send him a bouquet...
RE: I’m glad they woke up!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14481738 prdave73 said:
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Very Nice!


They only scored ten runs in the hour since your comment...
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:38 pm : link
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Wellllll, ummm, ok



He's batting over 450 with RISP, man.



Closer to .460 but you could just send him a bouquet...


I'm old fashioned.
RE: RE: This Yanks offense is going to wreck  
mfsd : 6/24/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14481739 arcarsenal said:
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pitching staffs mentally as much as physically. The Blue Jays have to be sitting their thinking 2 more games of this after tonight?



Too many HR's.

PASS.


Not to mention my misuse of their, instead of there. Shameful.

They’re should be a fine for that.
RE: RE: RE: This Yanks offense is going to wreck  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14481749 mfsd said:
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pitching staffs mentally as much as physically. The Blue Jays have to be sitting their thinking 2 more games of this after tonight?



Too many HR's.

PASS.



Not to mention my misuse of their, instead of there. Shameful.

They’re should be a fine for that.


A BBI kangaroo court!
That's a frightening prospect Eman!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:44 pm : link
.
DJ reaches base for the fifth time  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:47 pm : link
4 hits. Wow.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This Yanks offense is going to wreck  
section125 : 6/24/2019 9:51 pm : link
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pitching staffs mentally as much as physically. The Blue Jays have to be sitting their thinking 2 more games of this after tonight?



Too many HR's.

PASS.



Not to mention my misuse of their, instead of there. Shameful.

They’re should be a fine for that.



A BBI kangaroo court!


Donation period is approaching. BBI fines paid to Eric.
Holder can't buy an out  
adamg : 6/24/2019 9:58 pm : link
what a rough stretch.
Holder has to go.  
BlueHurricane : 6/24/2019 9:58 pm : link
He’s shot.
Yanks destroying these guys.  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/24/2019 9:58 pm : link
Hell yeah.
Jonathan Holder ladies and gentlemen  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 9:58 pm : link
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Didn't take Holder long to give up a dinger  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2019 9:59 pm : link
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Get use to it  
xman : 6/24/2019 9:59 pm : link
this could be who he is
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:00 pm : link
Holder really having a tough go of it lately. He's made his way down to mop up duty in the pecking order... I think Boone will go to Hale before he goes to Holder in more of a leverage spot if the other guys aren't available.
Definitely the time to try and get Holder straightened out  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:00 pm : link
But he better get his act together quick or he'll be seeing Scranton real soon
Get him out of the goddamn game  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 10:01 pm : link
.
You know it's a rough stretch when it could be Cessa  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:01 pm : link
bailing you out
Holder is a total mess.  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:02 pm : link
They need to get him sorted out. This is nonsense.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:02 pm : link
Yeah, if he can't get this out, he's got to come out. Even in a 7 run game. Can't let this get interesting.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:04 pm : link
That's enough. Get Hale in there.
This is unbelievable  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 10:05 pm : link
.
It's a shame  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2019 10:05 pm : link
Holder was pretty solid the last two years. Hate seeing him struggle like this.
Holder  
Percy : 6/24/2019 10:06 pm : link
What a disappointment he is.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:06 pm : link
Why not Hale here? I don't understand burning Green. I know he pitched yesterday but he only threw 15 pitches.

Cortes as the opener tomorrow, I guess.
Holder to Scranton please  
PetesHereNow : 6/24/2019 10:06 pm : link
Bring back Cortes.
Oh my God.  
bceagle05 : 6/24/2019 10:07 pm : link
He’s gone full Tyler Clippard.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:07 pm : link
Good lord.

He shouldn't have been allowed to face the 4th batter.
Throw the towel!!!!  
BlueHurricane : 6/24/2019 10:07 pm : link
Jesus Christ.
5 runs no outs  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:07 pm : link
That's brutal. Poor kid.
Jeez rock bottom for Holder  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:07 pm : link
Can't imagine he sees another ML batter any time soon.
Scranton  
Percy : 6/24/2019 10:08 pm : link
Should be in his immediate future. Like tomorrow.
RE: Oh my God.  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14481794 bceagle05 said:
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He’s gone full Tyler Clippard.


Wow. Good call. That's exactly what it's like. And he's also finesse like Clippard too.
I don't ever want too see Holder again  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 10:08 pm : link
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Game just got interesting  
dune69 : 6/24/2019 10:08 pm : link
throwing meatballs
does Holder still have options?  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2019 10:08 pm : link
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Can they send him down still?  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:08 pm : link
.
who didn't see that comng  
xman : 6/24/2019 10:09 pm : link
this is who he is . A stiff who we wished was a good reliever.
How  
MookGiants : 6/24/2019 10:09 pm : link
in the fucking world did they let Holder stay out there to give up that grand slam?

1st and 2nd with a run already in he should have been batter to batter. Second the bases are loaded he needed to come out.

Boone has done a terrific job this year, but that was brutal. I know the bullpen has been taxed, but 10-2 should never wind up 10-7 without an out being recorded. He didn't have it and hasn't had it in a long time. Assuming he has options left he needs to be sent down. If he doesn't he needs to be DFA'd. His stuff is average at best, I know he's been decent in the past but he's a disaster right now. If he doesn't have an option left he either needs to be DFA'd or come up with a mysterious injury
RE: does Holder still have options?  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14481803 Del Shofner said:
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Yes. And we need to use them immediately.

If we can't use him with a 7 run lead, we can't use him. Period. He's got to go to Scranton.
Boone fucking stinks as a manager.  
Red Dog : 6/24/2019 10:09 pm : link
If they manage to lose this game, it's on him, not Holder, who should have been pulled after three batters, four at the very most.
I don't know that I've ever seen a pitcher self-destruct  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:10 pm : link
like that before. Just the entire time, he had nothing.
RE: Boone fucking stinks as a manager.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14481809 Red Dog said:
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If they manage to lose this game, it's on him, not Holder, who should have been pulled after three batters, four at the very most.


Oh, stop. He doesn't "fucking stink" - he should have yanked Holder sooner; but he's done a really good job otherwise this year.

No manager is perfect.
Holder  
MookGiants : 6/24/2019 10:11 pm : link
is significantly worse right now than Clippard ever was on the Yanks even when he sucked. It would be a significant improvement for him to pitch like 2017 Clippard.
The home run was a rocket.  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:12 pm : link
Now they are getting cheapies on him. Doesn't help that he gets squeezed on what should have been strike 3.
RE: RE: does Holder still have options?  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14481808 arcarsenal said:
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Yes. And we need to use them immediately.

If we can't use him with a 7 run lead, we can't use him. Period. He's got to go to Scranton.


Yup, that was my thinking as well. Too bad he spit the bit again tonight but maybe some time in Scranton will get him right.
I'm not the biggest fan of Boone  
MookGiants : 6/24/2019 10:12 pm : link
but anyone who thinks he stinks as a manager when the team has played .600+ baseball despite being decimated by injuries the entire year has no idea what the hell they are watching.

He screwed that up but on no planet is he a bad manager.
We are not losing this game  
xman : 6/24/2019 10:14 pm : link
Who cares if Holder has options. Let Boston have him. Its better for us
He has to be sent down tonight  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:14 pm : link
and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)

I think it shows how much they believe in Holder  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:15 pm : link
that they left him in. They virtually gave him every inch of rope to hang himself, and he did. Now they can send him down, knowing they gave him every chance to get right in the bigs.
Holder  
nygnyy274 : 6/24/2019 10:15 pm : link
Needs to be sent down. He is god awful
Green was just as bad at the beginning of the year  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2019 10:16 pm : link
And Kahnle was this bad last year. It happens sometimes with relievers. Enough of the histrionics already.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:16 pm : link
Cortes is probably going to have to open tomorrow now that we had to burn through Green.

I think they'll have Hale be the piggyback guy for Nestor; that's probably why they aren't going to use him tonight.

But now to even need Ottavino warming up at all just really blows.

Putrid job by Holder tonight. Just awful. He's totally lost.
RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14481821 section125 said:
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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)


Pretty sure they called up Cortes already but I can see Tarpley on his way back up and getting a trio to London taboot.
RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2019 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14481821 section125 said:
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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)


I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes
Trip  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:17 pm : link
Not trio
can't for Holder  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 10:18 pm : link
to blow a few games before he gets sent down.

Boone is fine like the majority of managers  
xman : 6/24/2019 10:18 pm : link
Put him on Detroit and his record will stink. You win with talent
RE: RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14481828 Greg from LI said:
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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)




I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes


He's already up. They recalled him yesterday.
RE: RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14481828 Greg from LI said:
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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)




I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes


It hasn't been ten days yet, has it...
RE: RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14481828 Greg from LI said:
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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)




I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes


Cortes was called back up when Maybin went in the IL.
updated list in the history of the Yankees  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 10:20 pm : link
6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.
RE: RE: RE: He has to be sent down tonight  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14481832 arcarsenal said:
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and Cortez or Tarpley brought up until he gets straightened out. (IF)




I think they have to wait a few more days for Cortes



He's already up. They recalled him yesterday.


Maybin's replacement - injury loophole.
RE: .  
Percy : 6/24/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14481795 arcarsenal said:
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Good lord.

He shouldn't have been allowed to face the 4th batter.

This should be kept in mind. It's really on Boone. Tying run now at the plate.
I stand on what I said. Boone is terrible.  
Red Dog : 6/24/2019 10:21 pm : link
.
Gurriell hit Sanchez on his  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
backswing again...
They  
nygnyy274 : 6/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
Can’t get this fucking Sogard out it’s annoying
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
Sucks we had to even use Otto at all there. But, he gets it done as usual. Only needed 3 bullets.
RE: I stand on what I said. Boone is terrible.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14481838 Red Dog said:
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You can say it 500 more times, you'll still be wrong.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:23 pm : link
If you think Aaron Boone is a terrible manager, there's a guy across town who wants you to hold his beer.
Boone did the heady thing  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:23 pm : link
I don't mind it. It was a test and Holder failed. He gets sent down. I think it makes sense to do and I think Holder would appreciate the situation.

Maybe I'm crazy.
It was not good planning by Boone this  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:25 pm : link
time. He probably lost Green as the opener tomorrow. I guess if he sends Holder down and Tarpley(or Adams) comes up, they can use him or Adams.
Boone is not terrible relative to other managers  
xman : 6/24/2019 10:26 pm : link
There's plenty I don't like about his style but talent covers many shortcomings and this team has talent. We are not in first because of Boone nor despite him.

RE: updated list in the history of the Yankees  
Percy : 6/24/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14481835 RasputinPrime said:
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6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.

Favorite factoide from this thread.
Stanton  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:26 pm : link
will get his 2nd here....
RE: Boone did the heady thing  
Eman11 : 6/24/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14481844 adamg said:
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I don't mind it. It was a test and Holder failed. He gets sent down. I think it makes sense to do and I think Holder would appreciate the situation.

Maybe I'm crazy.


Nah you're not crazy. It was the sensible thing to do and as was said earlier, if they can't use him up 10-2, he shouldn't be on the roster.
RE: It was not good planning by Boone this  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14481845 section125 said:
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time. He probably lost Green as the opener tomorrow. I guess if he sends Holder down and Tarpley(or Adams) comes up, they can use him or Adams.


Greenie might still be able to give us an inning tomorrow - he didn't have to work too hard tonight.

I think they'll most likely go with Cortes/Hale to get them through 5-6+ - and I could also see Tarpley being recalled if they do decide to send Holder down to SWB.
I didn't mind leaving in Holder with the bases loaded  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/24/2019 10:30 pm : link
It was a 10-3 game. I don't care that he wasn't pitching well at the time. The odds of a grand slam are very low and even with a GS it is still a 3-run lead in the 8th with many strong bullpen arms at their disposal should it become a three-run lead.

Keep in mind that over the last 5/10/30 years (results stay pretty consistent), a home team with a 3-run lead in the top of the 8th inning with no outs wins 95% of the time. And again, that would be after giving up a Grand Slam which is the worst case scenario for leaving in Holder.

It was the perfect opportunity to let Holder grind and try and pitch his way out.


https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/stats.html#V.3.8.0.1.2014.2018 - ( New Window )
When has anyone been able to right himself here? Ever?  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/24/2019 10:33 pm : link
Both Green and Kahnle had to spend time in the minors.

Just do it already. Send him down.
RE: updated list in the history of the Yankees  
LarmerTJR : 6/24/2019 10:33 pm : link
Rasputin

Who were the others? Just for context...

In comment 14481835 RasputinPrime said:
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6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.
RE: I didn't mind leaving in Holder with the bases loaded  
Percy : 6/24/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14481853 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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It was a 10-3 game. I don't care that he wasn't pitching well at the time. The odds of a grand slam are very low and even with a GS it is still a 3-run lead in the 8th with many strong bullpen arms at their disposal should it become a three-run lead.

Keep in mind that over the last 5/10/30 years (results stay pretty consistent), a home team with a 3-run lead in the top of the 8th inning with no outs wins 95% of the time. And again, that would be after giving up a Grand Slam which is the worst case scenario for leaving in Holder.

It was the perfect opportunity to let Holder grind and try and pitch his way out.
https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/stats.html#V.3.8.0.1.2014.2018 - ( New Window )


Very low odds with Holder pitching as he has been lately? Not that low.
RE: RE: updated list in the history of the Yankees  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14481855 LarmerTJR said:
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Rasputin

Who were the others? Just for context...

In comment 14481835 RasputinPrime said:


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6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.



Not sure. I follow Katie Sharp on twitter and she just posted it. Highly recommend following her.
Even if you think that Holder gives up a HR 20%  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/24/2019 10:40 pm : link
of the time in that spot (which is unrealistically high), that means that the Yankees still had a 99% chance to win the game at 10-3 bases loaded.

RE: RE: I didn't mind leaving in Holder with the bases loaded  
Nine-Tails : 6/24/2019 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14481857 Percy said:
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In comment 14481853 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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It was a 10-3 game. I don't care that he wasn't pitching well at the time. The odds of a grand slam are very low and even with a GS it is still a 3-run lead in the 8th with many strong bullpen arms at their disposal should it become a three-run lead.

Keep in mind that over the last 5/10/30 years (results stay pretty consistent), a home team with a 3-run lead in the top of the 8th inning with no outs wins 95% of the time. And again, that would be after giving up a Grand Slam which is the worst case scenario for leaving in Holder.

It was the perfect opportunity to let Holder grind and try and pitch his way out.
https://gregstoll.com/~gregstoll/baseball/stats.html#V.3.8.0.1.2014.2018 - ( New Window )



Very low odds with Holder pitching as he has been lately? Not that low.


One thing about Boone is that he always waits for shit to hit the fan before making a move. I remember the good days with Girardis quick hook.

The flip side of Boone having a long leash, is the trust he places in his guys, gotta imagine that helps.
Nine tails  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:46 pm : link
I don't know that that's always the case. Boone seems more selective imo. Some nights he has a quicker hook than other nights. Girardi just seemed to always have a quick hook. I think I prefer Boone's approach. I think it's better for the players, and I think the players respond to it. Like the way he let CC finish the 6th.
Chapman does not have good  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:49 pm : link
stuff tonight..
Jesus nothings easy lol  
Jints in Carolina : 6/24/2019 10:49 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: updated list in the history of the Yankees  
LarmerTJR : 6/24/2019 10:50 pm : link
Rasputin

Ok, cool. Following her now. Thanks!

In comment 14481860 RasputinPrime said:
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Rasputin

Who were the others? Just for context...

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6 career 5 run allowed, no out appearances. Holder now has two of them.





Not sure. I follow Katie Sharp on twitter and she just posted it. Highly recommend following her.
Red Sox win on a lucky play  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:53 pm : link
Shortstop went to first when he should have gone to third in a bases loaded two out situation.
He might try  
section125 : 6/24/2019 10:53 pm : link
getting down around the knees.
Urshela! WOW  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:54 pm : link
What a play
WTG Jints!  
adamg : 6/24/2019 10:55 pm : link
50 wins!
a win is a win  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2019 10:55 pm : link
and this one was certainly a win.

That was a nice play by Gio to end it.
RE: Even if you think that Holder gives up a HR 20%  
Percy : 6/24/2019 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14481861 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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of the time in that spot (which is unrealistically high), that means that the Yankees still had a 99% chance to win the game at 10-3 bases loaded.

The disagreement was about the odds on Holder giving up a grand slam in that situation, which you postulated were "very low," not whether the Yankees would win anyway even if he did give one up -- as he did.
Percy  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/24/2019 11:05 pm : link
that's fair. "Very low" is a vague term. I still considered his odds of giving up a HR there to be very low relative to all other potential outcomes.
RE: Percy  
Percy : 6/24/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14481879 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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that's fair. "Very low" is a vague term. I still considered his odds of giving up a HR there to be very low relative to all other potential outcomes.

Well, frankly, so did I. I mean really!
Deivi Garcia with another 5 inning no hit gem  
xman : 6/25/2019 12:34 am : link
9k's 2 BB. Trenton no hit the tough Reading team
50 wins!  
Dave in Hoboken : 6/25/2019 12:53 am : link
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Holder optioned to AAA  
JPinstripes : 6/25/2019 6:17 am : link
No corresponding move yet, my guess is Tarpley who last pitched 3 days ago and adds another lefty to the pen.

Albert Abreu is on the 40 man roster and has pitched quite well his last 3-4 starts for AA Trenton. He last pitched on the 19th so his normal start day is today - ***SUPER LONG SHOT, but the Yanks may need a stretched out arm tonight on standby in the event of long-extras.
RE: 50 wins!  
rnargi : 6/25/2019 8:29 am : link
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Yup! Thanks to Jints!
Eeeesh you take that win and move on when you're on a roll  
Stu11 : 6/25/2019 8:39 am : link
Toronto sucks, bash them and move on. Good to see Stanton hit his 1st bomb of the year. DJ keeps on keepin on.
RE: Holder optioned to AAA  
M.S. : 6/25/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14481919 JPinstripes said:
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No corresponding move yet, my guess is Tarpley who last pitched 3 days ago and adds another lefty to the pen.

Albert Abreu is on the 40 man roster and has pitched quite well his last 3-4 starts for AA Trenton. He last pitched on the 19th so his normal start day is today - ***SUPER LONG SHOT, but the Yanks may need a stretched out arm tonight on standby in the event of long-extras.


Holder couldn't Hold'em anymore.
some of the bellyaching  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 8:45 am : link
about Boone is absurd.

The guy's team is rattling off win after win after win and he's doing it with 4 starting pitchers, 2 of which are ideally number #5 guys in a rotation.

He took a risk in a spot where he could avoid to take a risk. It blew up in his face.....and his team still won by 2 runs!

I'd have sent Holder down weeks ago...so I probably wouldn't have handled it exactly the same way last night...but how can you not at least see his angle?
RE: Eeeesh you take that win and move on when you're on a roll  
M.S. : 6/25/2019 8:47 am : link
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Toronto sucks, bash them and move on. Good to see Stanton hit his 1st bomb of the year. DJ keeps on keepin on.


I've really got to use my imagination
To think of good reasons
To keep on keepin' on
This is some of the dumbest shoit you'll ever read  
arniefez : 6/25/2019 8:48 am : link
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I didn't mind leaving in Holder with the bases loaded
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/24/2019 10:30 pm : link : reply
It was a 10-3 game. I don't care that he wasn't pitching well at the time. The odds of a grand slam are very low and even with a GS it is still a 3-run lead in the 8th with many strong bullpen arms at their disposal should it become a three-run lead.

Keep in mind that over the last 5/10/30 years (results stay pretty consistent), a home team with a 3-run lead in the top of the 8th inning with no outs wins 95% of the time. And again, that would be after giving up a Grand Slam which is the worst case scenario for leaving in Holder.

It was the perfect opportunity to let Holder grind and try and pitch his way out.
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There's another game today. Chapman won't be able to pitch today if needed. Green was supposed to start the game today. It's not about the win probability for the next hour. Games aren't played in a vacuum.
Chapman  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 8:58 am : link
could absolutely pitch again tonight. He was on 2 days rest last night, and his June workload has been very light (7.1 IP to this point).

They also have another bona fide closer sitting in the bullpen if Boone decides to stay away from him.

But carry on. Not a lot else to complain about with this team right now. So bang that drum.
Betances  
Mike Graves : 6/25/2019 9:09 am : link
When is he coming back, not only do the Yankees need another starting pitcher they need to get another reliever to.
RE: some of the bellyaching  
Stu11 : 6/25/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14481969 bigbluehoya said:
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about Boone is absurd.

The guy's team is rattling off win after win after win and he's doing it with 4 starting pitchers, 2 of which are ideally number #5 guys in a rotation.

He took a risk in a spot where he could avoid to take a risk. It blew up in his face.....and his team still won by 2 runs!

I'd have sent Holder down weeks ago...so I probably wouldn't have handled it exactly the same way last night...but how can you not at least see his angle?

Yep you really have to stretch it like a pretzel to find a way to criticize Boone at this point. There were nights this 1st half where we put out a mediocre AAA lineup, and here we are 5 games up in one of the toughest divisions in baseball. Pitchers in the Majors have to get guys out. Especially in a 10-2 game. You can't use your elite relievers in a 10-3 game in the 8th. Especially when your SP's are giving you 5 max 6 innings a night.
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