I said this previously.....I don't think we'll ever see our 'A' lineup that we all talk about. Yanks simply refuse to play all their best players at once.
I can NEVER recall a team that would simply never put it's best lineup on the field. It would always be the norm to have you regular lineup playing....and the execution would be when you'd give a guy a day off. But with this team the norm is to have two guys resting on any given day.
While I'm bummed we still don't have the full lineup Â
I think most of this is that so we can see the "A" lineup on a more regular basis in the Fall when we're going to need it the most.
This is all cumulative load management and what their data tells them will get optimal performance out of each player over the long-term.
As a fan from the outside, of course I just want to see our best lineup out there, but based on results to date, it's hard for me to really question what they're doing. Quite simply, it's working. The Mariners are the only team who has plated more runs than NYY this month.
I said this previously.....I don't think we'll ever see our 'A' lineup that we all talk about. Yanks simply refuse to play all their best players at once.
I can NEVER recall a team that would simply never put it's best lineup on the field. It would always be the norm to have you regular lineup playing....and the execution would be when you'd give a guy a day off. But with this team the norm is to have two guys resting on any given day.
I suspect we will here and there...but I also think some guys have been playing everyday and were overdue for a couple days off (DJ, Voit, Gleyber) and others are going to have their playing time 'managed' as they're coming back from injuries (Hicks, Stanton, Judge)
It's a luxury to be able to sit Judge and Encarnacion tonight and still roll out the lineup we are
Do they really have both Thursday and Friday off? Â
I am heading off to Disney World from Saturday until July 5 so I am 99.9% sure I won't be making the game day threads...Someone has to run with the ball....you better not start a losing streak!
The Death Star'll be an occasional thing. We'll need to savor it in the regular season.
And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the post season. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?
Yes no question but I'd sure like to see it when we play the Sox.
I know we're sitting in good shape as far as the Division goes but there's still a lot of season left. I want that Division title and hopefully home field too but the Division is big for me. I hate the one game WC, and potential one and done.
Those Sox games are two game swings in the standings and hopefully we see the Death Star in the majority of those games. If we open up a double digit division lead that's different but as long as the Sox (or even the Rays) are a bad week away from catching up, I'd like to see our best on the field when we play them.
JMHO of course and not saying the Yanks have to do it or they're wrong, just what I'd like and hope to see.
would bet the first time you see the "ultimate" lineup is going to be Saturday vs the Sox. That lineup will only be trotted out following ample rest during the regular season, they wont make one of their top players sit for 3 days (the two off days and Saturday); that's just overkill.
I can't say I wouldn't like to see them put out monster line ups everyday, but I trust them to play the long game.
And I do think we benefit from home field a lot too and that they should take that into consideration.
But at the end of the day, any regular season game means nothing compared to the postseason.
I agree with ya. I know I've questioned them sometimes and would've liked to see guys play more but yes, the results can't be argued with.
No doubt we'd all like to see their best every day but they have the depth to keep everyone fresh and sharp too.
While the post season is the most important, I think setting ourselves up as best as possible to succeed there is important too. That's why the Division is big for me, and playing our best guys as much as possible in the big division games is important too.
Let em rest vs the O's and the also fans of the AL.
Of course this is a bit of "whining" but aside from Romine, even the bench is part of the Death Star and Romine had big HR the other night.
Right now the three "weakest" players are:(think about this)
1.) Romine - backup catcher
2.) Hicks - switch hitting allstar quality defensive CF
3.) Gardner - allstar quality defensive LF
Happ and Holder don't count or they would be #1 and #2.
Gardner isn't an allstar caliber player at this point in his career, but he is best 4th outfielder in the league
Gardner IS still one of the best LFers in baseball. He doesn't hit well anymore and he isn't even Brett Gardner of two years ago in the OF, but he is still a very good LF and I'd still say a VG CF. He was so good that we are judging him against himself not others.
Gardner is quietly on pace for a bunch of homeruns Â
One of the many reasons its fun to watch the Yankees these days is the methodical search for differential advantage
Back in Georges day we looked for star players
Then Gene Michael introduced some home grown developed players
Then during the wind down and transition we wound up with a mix...a misshapen mix
Then this new renaissance. What I enjoy now is adding the advantage the FO brings in grinding out finds and depth and ways to aim for the end point even in June ( in managing the workloads) and investing in pitch recognition technology and dual language courses in the minors and more coaches, video and analysis deeper into the minors.
I think they are going to surprise us in the trading period. I think the original plan called for an even more dominant bullpen. Whats more important...the Astros and the Sox need better bullpens. We could use a depth starter but I think the aim will be making sure any really good bullpen arms come to us. Whats more, offseason, we can always trade one for a good return
It really has become a ridiculous machine. The well run teams are just on another level. I don't remember baseball being as polarized between elite, untouchable playoff teams and then the rest which includes the usual mix of good and bad. In other words, the rich are richer than ever I can remember.
Competitive advantages have definitely stretched way beyond payroll.
Years ago, if you could outspend other teams on players, you could usually edge them out.
Now; investments need to be made in so many other areas. Teams like NYY have constructed very significant analytic departments. There's so much player data being collected that they find uses for - including what was touched on earlier in the thread regarding rest days and optimizing player performance.
In the past, you'd basically have your "A" lineup out there most days and then you'd give guys a blow here and there and that was really it. There wasn't the same amount of analysis going on behind lineup construction - the thinkings were so much more conventional.
Now, with the Yanks, you almost never see the same lineup 2 days in a row.
Basically, if you're not following suit with the teams that have moved ahead and are investing heavily in analytics and other data; you're probably not going to have a very good chance at competing. Teams stuck in the past are going to get left in the dust until they change their approach.
Notice this way of playing, with its emphasis on depth and multiple positions for some players plus signing your core early could not have worked if lots of payroll was stuck for years on Harper or Machado. They got those decisions right.
Even the use of the DH is different than its original model of a hitter who could not field
Passing on Machado and Harper definitely look to be good decisions at this point.
The Phillies are in a tailspin right now and the Pads are under .500 even with Machado. It just doesn't seem like these massive spends yield the ROI.
DJ has flat been a more valuable player than Machado to date this year - and the investment on DJ is tiny compared to what it would have taken to sign Manny.
Sometimes, the megadeals just seem lazy to me. There are often much better values out there if the teams know what they're looking for and can find the right fits like we've done with LeMahieu.
Being so invested in player data and specific numbers will open doors to much smarter signings and deals - which is why Cashman seems to so often win his trades and wind up inking productive players.
Passing on Machado and Harper definitely look to be good decisions at this point.
The Phillies are in a tailspin right now and the Pads are under .500 even with Machado. It just doesn't seem like these massive spends yield the ROI.
DJ has flat been a more valuable player than Machado to date this year - and the investment on DJ is tiny compared to what it would have taken to sign Manny.
Sometimes, the megadeals just seem lazy to me. There are often much better values out there if the teams know what they're looking for and can find the right fits like we've done with LeMahieu.
Being so invested in player data and specific numbers will open doors to much smarter signings and deals - which is why Cashman seems to so often win his trades and wind up inking productive players.
I agree. You'll appreciate this, given your history. But, in the time I lived in the DMV area and was following the Nats via the local news, the best move the Nats made was stealing Daniel Murphy from the Mets on the cheap. The DJ signing seems like a reiteration of that.
I hope so. I love when the Yanks bring in/retain NY guys. I pray they extend Betances.
He's been making diving plays at first this past week. He's not a complete scrub in the field.
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Needs a blow, that DH'ing can be a killer.
He's been making diving plays at first this past week. He's not a complete scrub in the field.
I think he will push Voit at 1st. I like it. EE made some nice plays over there.
Still waiting on full Death Star lineup, not that this one is bad.
I can NEVER recall a team that would simply never put it's best lineup on the field. It would always be the norm to have you regular lineup playing....and the execution would be when you'd give a guy a day off. But with this team the norm is to have two guys resting on any given day.
This is all cumulative load management and what their data tells them will get optimal performance out of each player over the long-term.
As a fan from the outside, of course I just want to see our best lineup out there, but based on results to date, it's hard for me to really question what they're doing. Quite simply, it's working. The Mariners are the only team who has plated more runs than NYY this month.
So, the production is there.
I can NEVER recall a team that would simply never put it's best lineup on the field. It would always be the norm to have you regular lineup playing....and the execution would be when you'd give a guy a day off. But with this team the norm is to have two guys resting on any given day.
I suspect we will here and there...but I also think some guys have been playing everyday and were overdue for a couple days off (DJ, Voit, Gleyber) and others are going to have their playing time 'managed' as they're coming back from injuries (Hicks, Stanton, Judge)
It's a luxury to be able to sit Judge and Encarnacion tonight and still roll out the lineup we are
flying to London for the Sox series
A little extra time for the London trip.
And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the post season. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?
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What’s the deal with that?
flying to London for the Sox series
Oh shoot, that’s right. Thanks!
Here's a link to the event - ( New Window )
And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the postseason. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?
Of course this is a bit of "whining" but aside from Romine, even the bench is part of the Death Star and Romine had big HR the other night.
Right now the three "weakest" players are:(think about this)
1.) Romine - backup catcher
2.) Hicks - switch hitting allstar quality defensive CF
3.) Gardner - allstar quality defensive LF
Happ and Holder don't count or they would be #1 and #2.
And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the post season. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?
Yes no question but I'd sure like to see it when we play the Sox.
I know we're sitting in good shape as far as the Division goes but there's still a lot of season left. I want that Division title and hopefully home field too but the Division is big for me. I hate the one game WC, and potential one and done.
Those Sox games are two game swings in the standings and hopefully we see the Death Star in the majority of those games. If we open up a double digit division lead that's different but as long as the Sox (or even the Rays) are a bad week away from catching up, I'd like to see our best on the field when we play them.
JMHO of course and not saying the Yanks have to do it or they're wrong, just what I'd like and hope to see.
And I do think we benefit from home field a lot too and that they should take that into consideration.
But at the end of the day, any regular season game means nothing compared to the postseason.
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The Death Star'll be an occasional thing. We'll need to savor it in the regular season.
And I agree with arc, that we'll see the Death Star every day once we get to the postseason. And isn't that when we really want to see it anyway?
Of course this is a bit of "whining" but aside from Romine, even the bench is part of the Death Star and Romine had big HR the other night.
Right now the three "weakest" players are:(think about this)
1.) Romine - backup catcher
2.) Hicks - switch hitting allstar quality defensive CF
3.) Gardner - allstar quality defensive LF
Happ and Holder don't count or they would be #1 and #2.
Gardner isn't an allstar caliber player at this point in his career, but he is best 4th outfielder in the league
And I do think we benefit from home field a lot too and that they should take that into consideration.
But at the end of the day, any regular season game means nothing compared to the postseason.
I agree with ya. I know I've questioned them sometimes and would've liked to see guys play more but yes, the results can't be argued with.
No doubt we'd all like to see their best every day but they have the depth to keep everyone fresh and sharp too.
While the post season is the most important, I think setting ourselves up as best as possible to succeed there is important too. That's why the Division is big for me, and playing our best guys as much as possible in the big division games is important too.
Let em rest vs the O's and the also fans of the AL.
Of course this is a bit of "whining" but aside from Romine, even the bench is part of the Death Star and Romine had big HR the other night.
Right now the three "weakest" players are:(think about this)
1.) Romine - backup catcher
2.) Hicks - switch hitting allstar quality defensive CF
3.) Gardner - allstar quality defensive LF
Happ and Holder don't count or they would be #1 and #2.
Gardner isn't an allstar caliber player at this point in his career, but he is best 4th outfielder in the league
Gardner IS still one of the best LFers in baseball. He doesn't hit well anymore and he isn't even Brett Gardner of two years ago in the OF, but he is still a very good LF and I'd still say a VG CF. He was so good that we are judging him against himself not others.
And he's still fast as hell.
Never sleep on Grit. When he gets hot, he's fun to watch.
Let's beat the piss out of the Jays and be sharp for the Boston series.
Back in Georges day we looked for star players
Then Gene Michael introduced some home grown developed players
Then during the wind down and transition we wound up with a mix...a misshapen mix
Then this new renaissance. What I enjoy now is adding the advantage the FO brings in grinding out finds and depth and ways to aim for the end point even in June ( in managing the workloads) and investing in pitch recognition technology and dual language courses in the minors and more coaches, video and analysis deeper into the minors.
I think they are going to surprise us in the trading period. I think the original plan called for an even more dominant bullpen. Whats more important...the Astros and the Sox need better bullpens. We could use a depth starter but I think the aim will be making sure any really good bullpen arms come to us. Whats more, offseason, we can always trade one for a good return
Years ago, if you could outspend other teams on players, you could usually edge them out.
Now; investments need to be made in so many other areas. Teams like NYY have constructed very significant analytic departments. There's so much player data being collected that they find uses for - including what was touched on earlier in the thread regarding rest days and optimizing player performance.
In the past, you'd basically have your "A" lineup out there most days and then you'd give guys a blow here and there and that was really it. There wasn't the same amount of analysis going on behind lineup construction - the thinkings were so much more conventional.
Now, with the Yanks, you almost never see the same lineup 2 days in a row.
Basically, if you're not following suit with the teams that have moved ahead and are investing heavily in analytics and other data; you're probably not going to have a very good chance at competing. Teams stuck in the past are going to get left in the dust until they change their approach.
Notice this way of playing, with its emphasis on depth and multiple positions for some players plus signing your core early could not have worked if lots of payroll was stuck for years on Harper or Machado. They got those decisions right.
Even the use of the DH is different than its original model of a hitter who could not field
Stanton(not Judge) and the CF has right of way on any ball he can get too.
The Phillies are in a tailspin right now and the Pads are under .500 even with Machado. It just doesn't seem like these massive spends yield the ROI.
DJ has flat been a more valuable player than Machado to date this year - and the investment on DJ is tiny compared to what it would have taken to sign Manny.
Sometimes, the megadeals just seem lazy to me. There are often much better values out there if the teams know what they're looking for and can find the right fits like we've done with LeMahieu.
Being so invested in player data and specific numbers will open doors to much smarter signings and deals - which is why Cashman seems to so often win his trades and wind up inking productive players.
The Jays have been a fucking pain so far this year. Probably the most annoying team in the division in 2019. This years' O's, I guess...
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but Hicks beat him to it.
Stanton(not Judge) and the CF has right of way on any ball he can get too.
They're both such huge guys, I couldn't even tell the difference. lol.
2-0
I really don't like the Yankee-omatic 2.1 approach to lineups and defense. Not at all.
Yeah this year has sucked.
Just no words anymore.
The Phillies are in a tailspin right now and the Pads are under .500 even with Machado. It just doesn't seem like these massive spends yield the ROI.
DJ has flat been a more valuable player than Machado to date this year - and the investment on DJ is tiny compared to what it would have taken to sign Manny.
Sometimes, the megadeals just seem lazy to me. There are often much better values out there if the teams know what they're looking for and can find the right fits like we've done with LeMahieu.
Being so invested in player data and specific numbers will open doors to much smarter signings and deals - which is why Cashman seems to so often win his trades and wind up inking productive players.
I agree. You'll appreciate this, given your history. But, in the time I lived in the DMV area and was following the Nats via the local news, the best move the Nats made was stealing Daniel Murphy from the Mets on the cheap. The DJ signing seems like a reiteration of that.