Good morning and as expected Jonathan Holder was sent to SWB to see if he can be salvaged. Speculation is that Tarpley will be brought up as he was an opener for SWB last pitching 3 innings Saturday.
Davidoff in the Post wrote an article on how the Yanks are still hitting homers but are also scoring runs via singles and doubles at a much higher rate than last season. Like we didn't know that already. Well some of us, anyway.
Both the Post and Ledger blame the "tight" contest last night on the bullpen blowing up - which is not really truth in journalism while technically correct. It got tight because of Holder and Holder only. The bull pen didn't get wrecked, it was one pitcher in the pen.
Odd choice by Boone, IMHO, that he used Green to bailout Holder. If Green was set as the opener for Tuesday(today), why wouldn't Boone have had another pitcher in mind to salvage the inning if Holder continued his meltdown, which was not a stretch of the imagination. Boone is organized as heck, seems like he had not thought this through (then again he likely didn't expect Holder to not record a single out.) But I think we all knew Holder needed to be sent down to figure out what was going on. With Tarpley ready at SBW, this could(should) have been down after the last meltdown (Friday?).
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Hicks swings last night looked a lot better. He was on pitches that he swung at. I think he is ready to breakout. Voit looks like he has had a bad night and then you see he was 2-5 with 2 rbis. He is not hitting HRs like I expected, but he sure is driving the ball even when it is an out. I did not like LeMahieu at 1st last night. Lack of playing experience there and it showed. Thankfully Edwin will primarily swap with Voit with DJ taking the odd game. Gardy quietly had his average up to .238 before going 0-4 last night. I think he will benefit greatly from reduced playing time.
Anybody else think that if Gio Urshela continues to hit in the .270-.290 range through the year that Miguel Andujar will be moved to either another position or for a trade? Gio's fielding is just so good. Urshela is really a bench guy, while Andujar is a starter. But with LeMahieu, Torres and Didi do the Yankees need another one position poor fielder on the roster despite his obvious hitting ability (with power)?
That's my point Greg - he had 14 and was right behind or equal with Gary. Now Gary has 23 to his 17. He's is not going deep as often as he had been. Not a complaint, just an observation that despite not going deep he is still driving in runs.
They have enough DH people (Voit, Judge, Stanton, Sanchez and Encarnacion this year rotating through) without needing Andujar as a DH.
As for why Green got up, he threw 16 pitches. He should still be able to pitch today.
As for why Green got up, he threw 16 pitches. He should still be able to pitch today.
16 pitches limits him to 1 inning. They could go Green, Tarpley then on to Cortes and Hale. Or Start Tapley and then Green...
They also need to see what this shoulder transferring to lat issue is. Two players on one team with similar occurrences is likely not a coincidence.
The improvement is apparent. I think Edwin will help him greatly, also. I actually think Edwin's approach at the plate will help improve other players. O'Neill was pointing out that EE changes his approach with RISP and when down 2 strikes. He will look deep early in the count, but looks to make solid contact and to specific spots with 2 strikes especially with men on base.
Trevor Bauer is perhaps the most talented pitcher bandied about on the trade market and hes controlled through the 2020 season. The Cleveland right-hander was a top Cy Young candidate in 2018 and is just 28 years old, smack dab in his prime.
However, the Yankees should consider Bauer both on and off the field and look elsewhere for upgrades to the rotation......
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The Yankees are in need of another quality starting pitcher and, it just so happens, the Indians have one rumored to be on the block.
Trevor Bauer is perhaps the most talented pitcher bandied about on the trade market and hes controlled through the 2020 season. The Cleveland right-hander was a top Cy Young candidate in 2018 and is just 28 years old, smack dab in his prime.
However, the Yankees should consider Bauer both on and off the field and look elsewhere for upgrades to the rotation......
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I'd be as shocked if the Yanks took Bauer(despite how good he is) as I would be if they were to get Scherzer. Bauer would not fit into that quiet locker room.
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The Yankees are in need of another quality starting pitcher and, it just so happens, the Indians have one rumored to be on the block.
Trevor Bauer is perhaps the most talented pitcher bandied about on the trade market and hes controlled through the 2020 season. The Cleveland right-hander was a top Cy Young candidate in 2018 and is just 28 years old, smack dab in his prime.
However, the Yankees should consider Bauer both on and off the field and look elsewhere for upgrades to the rotation......
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The minute some kind of "woke" horseshit like this starts influencing team decisions is the minute people need to start being fired. Waaaaaah, he says things I don't like on fucking Twitter!!!!
I was trying to find a way to say that. The "bad teammate" label is the most important attribute.
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The Yankees are in need of another quality starting pitcher and, it just so happens, the Indians have one rumored to be on the block.
Trevor Bauer is perhaps the most talented pitcher bandied about on the trade market and hes controlled through the 2020 season. The Cleveland right-hander was a top Cy Young candidate in 2018 and is just 28 years old, smack dab in his prime.
However, the Yankees should consider Bauer both on and off the field and look elsewhere for upgrades to the rotation......
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The minute some kind of "woke" horseshit like this starts influencing team decisions is the minute people need to start being fired. Waaaaaah, he says things I don't like on fucking Twitter!!!!
exactly....i am more concerned about the bad teammate part more than anything else.
And honestly, he's not good enough to put up with that. Solid pitcher, but 2018 is a clear outlier in his career.
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Well, he's a good pitcher, but no one wants to have the athlete who's political.
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I think he is plenty good enough. His name has been prominent for a couple years. A solid innings eater #3 is all they need.
But the NY press would eat him alive being the pricks that they are, always stewing for a fight and a headline.
Better to let the proverbial sleeping dogs lie.
I think Bauer is a weirdo but he can pitch.
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I think Bauer is a weirdo but he can pitch.
I agree - now let's leave this before it gets off track and I have to delete the thread....
Interactions with teammates I think it's easy to get an impression that may not in fact be true. His mini-tempest over Kluber's Cy Young case rubbed outsiders the wrong way but he appears to be relatively popular on that staff, and certainly he and Clevinger seem to have a solid relationship.
His relationship with the media hasn't been a huge issue, but New York is another matter.
I think the real issue with Bauer would be fan interactions, especially on social media. The first time he lays an egg, how is he going to react to Yankee Twitter sniping at him (because they will)? Is he going to have ugly back and forths with fans? Because that could be a bigger problem than his general weirdness would otherwise be.
In a era when even the slightest edge is turned into a theatre that goes for days, neither Boone or Cashman or any other Yankee player wants to be engaged in defending or answering questions. At All.
The Yankees are one of the worst landing spots for contentious players who use social media because:
1) They are always a magnet for jealousy.
2) They are singularly focused on the WS every year. Period. Full Stop.
3) They pay a lot of attention to the international pool and so are covered by Japanese and Latin America media
4) They are literally trained in the minors on how to handle the press
The team itself is literally from the Derek Jeter/Mariano Rivera handbook:
Despite being available to 5-20 media people every day in spring training, before and after 164 games and every post season game and every off season charity event and before and after every All Star game for nearly 20 years...win or agonizing loss they said absolutely nothing to the media they did not want to say. Amazing masters of the endless sports cliche
Many of the current Yankees are exactly the same way. Judge says friendly nothing in front of his locker before and after every game. The Yankees deploy interpreters so no misunderstanding can come from guys like Tanaka or Sanchez. The Yankees go a whole years without providing any bulletin board fodder to other teams.
I doubt this trade happens
If he comes back as good as ever then we're just looking for a solid #3 starter at the deadline. If he's still in doubt then they may need to aim even higher. Severino would be the biggest addition they can make
Thanks, as usual, Bill2.
Stanton is a perfect example. For some stupid reason he gets jeered by his own fans. He has said nothing to cause it and said nothing to show disdain for it. It was good to see Boone and especially Voit quietly urge fans to lay off. The guy basically carried the team for six weeks last season even with a bad hammy and very few acknowledge it.
I have always wondered how Sanchez can go to the mound and have a full blown convo with Tanaka without two interpreters..You often see Tanaka sitting on the bench with the Latino guys yucking it up.
My speculation is that they can speak English comfortably enough amongst themselves, but are a bit camera shy (or self conscious) to give interviews without their interpreters( I don't blame them one iota.) You can see Tanaka nodding his head when interviewed by Meredith(as do Gary and many of the Dominicans). One of the young guys (Torres or Andujar?) does speak for himself even with the interpreter there.
I would guess you're on the mark, section. Most probably understand English well enough, can speak it decently. At least well enough to communicate for mound visits, in the dugout, etc. But when facing the media the interpreter makes them a bit more comfortable to make sure nothing is lost in translation
Yeah I agree with you and Kyle. The nuances of English are amazingly difficult with a large dose of idioms that are location specific.
It was just an observation/inquisition on my part especially after seeing Tanaka laughing it up a few games ago on the bench with the Dominican guys.
That actually does not surprise me at all.
He was also famous for his profanity-heavy pregame speeches in English at All Star Games.
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Yankees announce Kendrys Morales has been reinstated from the 10-day IL & designated for assignment.
Stephen Tarpley has also been recalled from the Triple-A @swbrailriders.
On the one hand, I don't know Moore to be a bullshitter. On the other, I don't know him to be particularly plugged in with NYY.
Would be expensive. Young kid with awesome stuff, having a breakout year, and controlled through 2023.
Have to think package begins with Frazier + Andujar, and goes up from there. (and I'm not even sure how much use they have for Andujar with Eugenio Suarez under a long-term deal already).
On the one hand, I don't know Moore to be a bullshitter. On the other, I don't know him to be particularly plugged in with NYY.
Would be expensive. Young kid with awesome stuff, having a breakout year, and controlled through 2023.
Have to think package begins with Frazier + Andujar, and goes up from there. (and I'm not even sure how much use they have for Andujar with Eugenio Suarez under a long-term deal already).
Interesting. Castillo is only 26 years old as well.
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Yankees announce Kendrys Morales has been reinstated from the 10-day IL & designated for assignment.
Stephen Tarpley has also been recalled from the Triple-A @swbrailriders.
Both expected moves. Sucks for Morales, but Encarnacion sealed his fate.
Opens a spot on the 40 man, no?
I doubt that Cash is looking to explode his farm system. I do think Andujar is more vulnerable than Frazier because Frazier actually has a path to LF in Yankee Stadium. If Castillo is the 2nd coming of Sevy, well then ok..otherwise I doubt both Frazier and Andujar would be sent.
Bring back Sonny! *ducks*
He's legit.
Walking too many batters, but he's got really good strikeout stuff. If the Yanks could get their hands on him, I think he'd be fantastic here. He's done a really good job of getting the HR ball down this year too. That's not a rental, that's a guy you'll have team control on for like 5 more years.
I'd 100% deal Frazier for him.
I suppose you are referencing the OP..and extrapolated through the season the 35 would be great numbers and about where I thought he had a chance to be top end.
But I was saying that his HR assault has trailed off a bit while his good hitting has continued.
FWIW, I went to the Yankees website to sortable stats for the past 30 days and selected HR as the sortable column. Luke has 4 HRs last 30 days along with Maybin, Hicks, Urshela and Gardy...
He is in 7th with 11 RBIs over the past 30 days right behind Gardy(of all people).
He is also first in OBP and fifth on OPS and AVG.
Pretty damn good for what he was gotten for.
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Sorry and no disparagement to the Mets fans ( who have fans and players ownership does not deserve) but it does not work and very rarely leads to insight for either fan base
#1.) Baseball doesn't have peaks and valleys? yeah ok. ask Holder or Green or Maybin or Gardner.
#2) Where did I say 45-50 hrs? You blast proration than use it to disprove or prove your point(see #1).
All I said was his HR numbers have slowed. Gary's and Torres have increased. Season is long.
I also pointed out that while his HRs have slowed, his good hitting has continued - BA, OBP and RBIs.
Supposedly Boyd has made some adjustments, so it's possible this isn't as flukey as it looks - but I'd still be leery of that.
I say swing for the fences on Scherzer. The guy is a fucking horse and a gamer. I have zero doubts he'd be able to handle the big stage and he makes NYY WS favorites without a doubt.
I'm just not sure we'll be able to pry him away.
Stroman seems to be the best/most realistic fit.
Maybe Bumgarner is just bored pitching on a team that is going nowhere... I don't know. But, he's really not having a great year. I'm lukewarm on him. I know how incredible he's been on the biggest stage, but... past results don't guarantee future outcomes.
Let's keep in mind Gallegos has a .8war for the year at a position of much greater need for the Cards. I'd say it's a bigger win for us but a win-win at this point.
He's more than welcome in any discussion as far as I'm concerned.
He's more than welcome in any discussion as far as I'm concerned.
Agree.
Sorry and no disparagement to the Mets fans ( who have fans and players ownership does not deserve) but it does not work and very rarely leads to insight for either fan base
Other than me being a Mets fan, it's really not relevant here. I'm not a Yankee hater by any means and even teams I do "hate" like the Phillies, I can recognize who/what is good and what isn't. I would hope most grown adults could seperate being a fan with bias. I don't root against the Yankees unless they are playing the Mets and even then the Mets are so bad.. who cares? The Subway Series has lost it's magic either way.
He's more than welcome in any discussion as far as I'm concerned.
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I'll be rather disappointed if they don't make a meaningful addition to the rotation. This is a season to push some chips to the center of the table on.
Thing with Bumgarner is you hope (like Verlander) that the big gamer in him comes alive in a new setting. He hasn't been the same pitcher since 2016 so odds are low he's an "ace" but a bump upon being traded to a contender wouldn't surprise me.
MadBum is really the only one among the realistic list that I'd prefer not to take on, at least not when giving up anything of value.
To me, he has little value beyond the cost of his remaining salary for the year. Maybe a wildcard prospect or two, but nothing near any of Frazier/Andujar/Deivi/Florial.
Not a MadBum fan for the Yanks. Scherzer is a pipe dream and he is 34 and wildly expensive. Maybe he is Justin Verlander, maybe (as example only - no correlation to talent) he is Happ(falls off the table).
I happen to like Wheeler. I can see why you don't, but I believe in the stuff. I think we just disagree on that one.
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He's getting tattooed: only 14.4% soft contact, 38.6% medium, 47% hard. Ground balls down to 35.9%. Putting him in YS with numbers like that is terrifying, honestly.
Not a MadBum fan for the Yanks. Scherzer is a pipe dream and he is 34 and wildly expensive. Maybe he is Justin Verlander, maybe (as example only - no correlation to talent) he is Happ(falls off the table).
Scherzer's salary isn't as bad as it appears at first blush. For salary cap purposes he's going to cost about 57 million for 2020 + 2021, every big market team in baseball would pay Max Scherzer 2 years 57 million given the chance
Also, the Astros have proven to have some kind of secret formula to improving pitchers. They've done it with multiple guys now - Verlander, Cole, Morton, they all pitched significantly better with Houston than their previous clubs. The Yankees don't have that kind of track record. Honestly, I wish the Yankees could poach their pitching coaches.
I do think Wheeler's 2nd half last year was more outlier than anything else. And I don't think the Mets would be particularly thrilled to send him here without a hefty enough return; so it's probably not a great match, but NYY could do worse.
I agree and lean toward Stroman. I believe the Yankees just need a steady pitcher, likely to be in the 3.50 to 3.85 ERA range that can go deep into the game especially if Severino returns as well as German.
This team will be hard to subdue on the offensive side.
And he's pitched his entire career in the AL East. He knows what it's like. After watching a bunch of touted guys come in from the NL, or even the AL West, and struggle, I think there's something to that. I wouldn't empty the farm for Stroman, but he'd be a quality pickup.
hoya - Wheeler just looks like one of those guys who will always break your heart. Big arm, looks overwhelming at times, but just can't ever really put it together. He's a white Pineda to me, basically.
Also, the Astros have proven to have some kind of secret formula to improving pitchers. They've done it with multiple guys now - Verlander, Cole, Morton, they all pitched significantly better with Houston than their previous clubs. The Yankees don't have that kind of track record. Honestly, I wish the Yankees could poach their pitching coaches.
If responding to me Greg, I was referring to Verlander pitching well as long as he has (36 or 37 y/o) with no drop off. If Scherzer would do that he would be worth the money, but the cost to get him would be crazy. I was looking for extremes on older pitchers. Those who looked good and continued (Velander) and those that fell apart quickly (Happ) - not that Happ is in the same class as Velander or Scherzer..
Wasn't it Eck that got into it with Price last year?
Trying hard not to jinx the kid....;-p
LOL. Eckersley was literally one of the most demonstrative pitchers I can ever remember. I can't believe he said anything about Stroman. Eckersley would literally yell at batters from the mound, "punch" them out... you name it. He was a dick.
Great pitcher, but he was a dick.
gotcha - the most likely thing to help Bumgarner is the Yanks defense and offense. Not sure he and the Stadium are a good match.
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Combined with the pen for a no hitter last night! Deivi went 5 and struck out 9. That's one hit in his last 11 innings. His new slider has really made a difference for him. He's relying less on the fastball. Has that killer curve along with a good changeup and a very promising slider. Kid is on fire!
Trying hard not to jinx the kid....;-p
I hear ya, lol...
Not sure it was reported, think it happened on a plane....we may not "like" Price, but he is not a douchebag.
Young Deivi is only 20 and has never topped 74 innings before. He's at 64 right now and I imagine his limit will be around 110, so maybe they could use him as a reliever down the stretch, but he's not going to fix the hole in the rotation. Not this season, anyway.
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Its good that Marcus Stroman said he welcomes NY, but Jays and Yankees have been apart on value. 1.5 years of control for Stroman is not a ton
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Its good that Marcus Stroman said he welcomes NY, but Jays and Yankees have been apart on value. 1.5 years of control for Stroman is not a ton
Hey, I don't blame the Jays. They are trying to pick Cashman's pocket. Maybe why the kid Castillo from the Reds was mentioned - a little diversion.
Stromans stock just went up a couple points IMO...feels like a guy whod relish the big stage
Don't know him either, but of course the Jays are trying to squeeze Cash. Yanks need a pitcher and the Jays have one that fits. Do they expect Frazier, Andujar and Garcia? No. But I'm sure it won't be two A ball guys and a AA player. (well maybe it will be?)
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All those Ks don't depend on the park! But I hear you.
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Hmmm, probably only 1 inning instead of two. Would not be surprised if followed by Tarpley, then Cortes. RH,LH,RH
Well it is a good formula..they have 4 wins(?) with that combo?
So, we'll probably see Green go one, then they'll probably hope they can get ~4 out of Cortes.
Figure Hale will definitely pitch somewhere in the middle innings depending on how deep Cortes can go and Britton would serve as the closer - I'm presuming they'll stay away from Chapman tonight.
Ideally you give Otto a night off, but I believe he only needed 3 bullets to get us out of the 8th last night. Kahnle should be available if we need him for at least a couple batters.
Also a good point.
If he gets through the first in like 10 pitches or less, I could see them sending him back out in the 2nd to try to at least get another couple outs.
I know and like Dan's contributions and have for years.
I tossed off a quick thought in an inarticulate way.
I was aiming at the following:
If I am a Met fan I am not happy at this time. What happens often is posts made in irritation. If I am a Yankee fan, Im riding high and forgetting what stuck looks like ( which as a matter of year counts in my case is less 50/50 good years from about 1965).
About the only thing that can ruin a good community of posters on Yankee Threads is us squabbling with Mets or Sox fans ( there used to be more and more difficult Sox trolls in the past).
Did not intend for that comment to be about Dan or today.
Sorry Dan and thank you to the guys who made that clear to him like bigbluehoya and arc and others.
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He's getting tattooed: only 14.4% soft contact, 38.6% medium, 47% hard. Ground balls down to 35.9%. Putting him in YS with numbers like that is terrifying, honestly.
Not a MadBum fan for the Yanks. Scherzer is a pipe dream and he is 34 and wildly expensive. Maybe he is Justin Verlander, maybe (as example only - no correlation to talent) he is Happ(falls off the table).
Scherzer's salary isn't as bad as it appears at first blush. For salary cap purposes he's going to cost about 57 million for 2020 + 2021, every big market team in baseball would pay Max Scherzer 2 years 57 million given the chance
Agreed but it's the 105 mil of deferred money I'm sure most would balk at. He's due 15 mil a year for seven years starting in 2022 I believe. So unless the Nats kicked in some dough, you'd really be taking on over 160 mil for two and a half years
Agreed but it's the 105 mil of deferred money I'm sure most would balk at. He's due 15 mil a year for seven years starting in 2022 I believe. So unless the Nats kicked in some dough, you'd really be taking on over 160 mil for two and a half years
The trade won't happen, but if I were Cashman I'd tell the Nats that the deferred money is theirs to cover. Basically, they averaged out his salary for several years past his contract, so most of it was already earned while he was playing with the Nationals. The Yanks may have taken the salaries for the next two seasons, but they are not paying for what he earned previously.
I'm a big Bauer fan but there is baggage that could blow up on us in this town. We've discussed it at least twice here so no need to go into the details, but if you're unfamiliar some googling will get you there.