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section125 : 6/25/2019 8:52 am
Good morning and as expected Jonathan Holder was sent to SWB to see if he can be salvaged. Speculation is that Tarpley will be brought up as he was an opener for SWB last pitching 3 innings Saturday.

Davidoff in the Post wrote an article on how the Yanks are still hitting homers but are also scoring runs via singles and doubles at a much higher rate than last season. Like we didn't know that already. Well some of us, anyway.

Both the Post and Ledger blame the "tight" contest last night on the bullpen blowing up - which is not really truth in journalism while technically correct. It got tight because of Holder and Holder only. The bull pen didn't get wrecked, it was one pitcher in the pen.

Odd choice by Boone, IMHO, that he used Green to bailout Holder. If Green was set as the opener for Tuesday(today), why wouldn't Boone have had another pitcher in mind to salvage the inning if Holder continued his meltdown, which was not a stretch of the imagination. Boone is organized as heck, seems like he had not thought this through (then again he likely didn't expect Holder to not record a single out.) But I think we all knew Holder needed to be sent down to figure out what was going on. With Tarpley ready at SBW, this could(should) have been down after the last meltdown (Friday?).

Odds and Ends:
Hicks swings last night looked a lot better. He was on pitches that he swung at. I think he is ready to breakout. Voit looks like he has had a bad night and then you see he was 2-5 with 2 rbis. He is not hitting HRs like I expected, but he sure is driving the ball even when it is an out. I did not like LeMahieu at 1st last night. Lack of playing experience there and it showed. Thankfully Edwin will primarily swap with Voit with DJ taking the odd game. Gardy quietly had his average up to .238 before going 0-4 last night. I think he will benefit greatly from reduced playing time.
Anybody else think that if Gio Urshela continues to hit in the .270-.290 range through the year that Miguel Andujar will be moved to either another position or for a trade? Gio's fielding is just so good. Urshela is really a bench guy, while Andujar is a starter. But with LeMahieu, Torres and Didi do the Yankees need another one position poor fielder on the roster despite his obvious hitting ability (with power)?
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Voit hasn't hit homers?  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 9:00 am : link
He's had a bit of a power outage over the last few weeks, but he's still probably hitting 30 or so this year.
Whats the latest on Betances?  
UConn4523 : 6/25/2019 9:01 am : link
His return is going to be huge.
Voit is actually producing better  
UConn4523 : 6/25/2019 9:03 am : link
than I figured. I would have pegged him for 25 homers and 80 RBIs before the season, no way he was going to reproduce last years magic.
Maybe Andujar  
PaulN : 6/25/2019 9:03 am : link
Could play a dh/3b role, or maybe trade bait, either way Cashman and Boone will figure it out.
RE: Voit hasn't hit homers?  
section125 : 6/25/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14481981 Greg from LI said:
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He's had a bit of a power outage over the last few weeks, but he's still probably hitting 30 or so this year.


That's my point Greg - he had 14 and was right behind or equal with Gary. Now Gary has 23 to his 17. He's is not going deep as often as he had been. Not a complaint, just an observation that despite not going deep he is still driving in runs.
RE: Maybe Andujar  
section125 : 6/25/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14481987 PaulN said:
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Could play a dh/3b role, or maybe trade bait, either way Cashman and Boone will figure it out.


They have enough DH people (Voit, Judge, Stanton, Sanchez and Encarnacion this year rotating through) without needing Andujar as a DH.
Betances is temporarily shut down...  
Dunedin81 : 6/25/2019 9:08 am : link
wouldn't surprise me if we don't see him at all this season, potentially not until August.

As for why Green got up, he threw 16 pitches. He should still be able to pitch today.
nothing new on Betances, unfortunately  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 9:08 am : link
They shut him down with lat soreness two weeks ago and he hasn't thrown again since.
Severino is supposed to start pitching from a mound this week  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 9:09 am : link
So hopefully we get some good news there, at least
Voit's defense has really come on...  
Dunedin81 : 6/25/2019 9:11 am : link
he has stabilized a position that had been shit for production since Teix exited stage right.
RE: Betances is temporarily shut down...  
section125 : 6/25/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14481994 Dunedin81 said:
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wouldn't surprise me if we don't see him at all this season, potentially not until August.

As for why Green got up, he threw 16 pitches. He should still be able to pitch today.


16 pitches limits him to 1 inning. They could go Green, Tarpley then on to Cortes and Hale. Or Start Tapley and then Green...

They also need to see what this shoulder transferring to lat issue is. Two players on one team with similar occurrences is likely not a coincidence.
RE: Voit's defense has really come on...  
section125 : 6/25/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14482000 Dunedin81 said:
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he has stabilized a position that had been shit for production since Teix exited stage right.


The improvement is apparent. I think Edwin will help him greatly, also. I actually think Edwin's approach at the plate will help improve other players. O'Neill was pointing out that EE changes his approach with RISP and when down 2 strikes. He will look deep early in the count, but looks to make solid contact and to specific spots with 2 strikes especially with men on base.
From "Views from 314" Why the Yankees should avoid Bauer  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 9:29 am : link
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The Yankees are in need of another quality starting pitcher and, it just so happens, the Indians have one rumored to be on the block.

Trevor Bauer is perhaps the most talented pitcher bandied about on the trade market and hes controlled through the 2020 season. The Cleveland right-hander was a top Cy Young candidate in 2018 and is just 28 years old, smack dab in his prime.

However, the Yankees should consider Bauer both on and off the field and look elsewhere for upgrades to the rotation......

https://viewsfrom314ft.com/why-the-yankees-should-think-twice-about-acquiring-trevor-bauer/ - ( New Window )
RE: From  
section125 : 6/25/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14482013 Jints in Carolina said:
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The Yankees are in need of another quality starting pitcher and, it just so happens, the Indians have one rumored to be on the block.

Trevor Bauer is perhaps the most talented pitcher bandied about on the trade market and hes controlled through the 2020 season. The Cleveland right-hander was a top Cy Young candidate in 2018 and is just 28 years old, smack dab in his prime.

However, the Yankees should consider Bauer both on and off the field and look elsewhere for upgrades to the rotation......

https://viewsfrom314ft.com/why-the-yankees-should-think-twice-about-acquiring-trevor-bauer/ - ( New Window )


I'd be as shocked if the Yanks took Bauer(despite how good he is) as I would be if they were to get Scherzer. Bauer would not fit into that quiet locker room.
read the article...I am in agreement with many of the reasons  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 9:35 am : link
this guy states, but his political beliefs are NOT one of them. To me, that is a ridiculous take.
by the way section125  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 9:36 am : link
that wasn't directed at you...just to everyone in general.
RE: From  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14482013 Jints in Carolina said:
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The Yankees are in need of another quality starting pitcher and, it just so happens, the Indians have one rumored to be on the block.

Trevor Bauer is perhaps the most talented pitcher bandied about on the trade market and hes controlled through the 2020 season. The Cleveland right-hander was a top Cy Young candidate in 2018 and is just 28 years old, smack dab in his prime.

However, the Yankees should consider Bauer both on and off the field and look elsewhere for upgrades to the rotation......

https://viewsfrom314ft.com/why-the-yankees-should-think-twice-about-acquiring-trevor-bauer/ - ( New Window )


The minute some kind of "woke" horseshit like this starts influencing team decisions is the minute people need to start being fired. Waaaaaah, he says things I don't like on fucking Twitter!!!!
RE: read the article...I am in agreement with many of the reasons  
section125 : 6/25/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14482021 Jints in Carolina said:
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this guy states, but his political beliefs are NOT one of them. To me, that is a ridiculous take.


I was trying to find a way to say that. The "bad teammate" label is the most important attribute.
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Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14482026 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14482013 Jints in Carolina said:


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The Yankees are in need of another quality starting pitcher and, it just so happens, the Indians have one rumored to be on the block.

Trevor Bauer is perhaps the most talented pitcher bandied about on the trade market and hes controlled through the 2020 season. The Cleveland right-hander was a top Cy Young candidate in 2018 and is just 28 years old, smack dab in his prime.

However, the Yankees should consider Bauer both on and off the field and look elsewhere for upgrades to the rotation......

https://viewsfrom314ft.com/why-the-yankees-should-think-twice-about-acquiring-trevor-bauer/ - ( New Window )



The minute some kind of "woke" horseshit like this starts influencing team decisions is the minute people need to start being fired. Waaaaaah, he says things I don't like on fucking Twitter!!!!


exactly....i am more concerned about the bad teammate part more than anything else.
Fair enough  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 9:41 am : link
He seems like a dick, but then many pro athletes are.
It'd be a constant struggle for Bauer here  
Kyle in NY : 6/25/2019 9:45 am : link
with the media. Like what Frazier went through a few weeks back, but far more frequent and likely more spiteful. I really think it'd be a terrible fit and would rather we just not go down that route. It's not about political beliefs, but rather he seems like he just can't help himself and likes to pick fights.

And honestly, he's not good enough to put up with that. Solid pitcher, but 2018 is a clear outlier in his career.
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Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 9:47 am : link
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RE: read the article...I am in agreement with many of the reasons  
Heisenberg : 6/25/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14482021 Jints in Carolina said:
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this guy states, but his political beliefs are NOT one of them. To me, that is a ridiculous take.


Well, he's a good pitcher, but no one wants to have the athlete who's political.
The Lakers and the USWNT disagree  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 9:49 am : link
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RE: It'd be a constant struggle for Bauer here  
section125 : 6/25/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14482044 Kyle in NY said:
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And honestly, he's not good enough to put up with that. Solid pitcher, but 2018 is a clear outlier in his career. [/quote

I think he is plenty good enough. His name has been prominent for a couple years. A solid innings eater #3 is all they need.
But the NY press would eat him alive being the pricks that they are, always stewing for a fight and a headline.
Better to let the proverbial sleeping dogs lie.
section125  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 9:51 am : link
yep...you know damn well the press here would be trying to push his buttons all the time.

I think Bauer is a weirdo but he can pitch.
RE: The Lakers and the USWNT disagree  
Heisenberg : 6/25/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14482055 Jints in Carolina said:
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NFL agrees

RE: section125  
section125 : 6/25/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14482058 Jints in Carolina said:
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yep...you know damn well the press here would be trying to push his buttons all the time.

I think Bauer is a weirdo but he can pitch.


I agree - now let's leave this before it gets off track and I have to delete the thread....
Bauer could go either way...  
Dunedin81 : 6/25/2019 9:56 am : link
the politics part is just fucking stupid, Woke Twitter and Deadspin having convinced themselves that they're not a tiny, whiny fraction of sports fandom.

Interactions with teammates I think it's easy to get an impression that may not in fact be true. His mini-tempest over Kluber's Cy Young case rubbed outsiders the wrong way but he appears to be relatively popular on that staff, and certainly he and Clevinger seem to have a solid relationship.

His relationship with the media hasn't been a huge issue, but New York is another matter.

I think the real issue with Bauer would be fan interactions, especially on social media. The first time he lays an egg, how is he going to react to Yankee Twitter sniping at him (because they will)? Is he going to have ugly back and forths with fans? Because that could be a bigger problem than his general weirdness would otherwise be.
Good point  
Kyle in NY : 6/25/2019 10:02 am : link
in the 2017 ALDS the Yankee fans were going at him online after his game 4 start. It would definitely continue after a few bad starts here. He'd almost certainly fire back after a while. It could get ugly. No thanks to that
Anyhoo.....  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 10:04 am : link
Sure as hell hope Severino's return to a mound goes swimmingly. There's a nonzero chance he's the best addition to the rotation we're going to get.
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Bill2 : 6/25/2019 10:06 am : link
Making no comment on beliefs at all, the bad teammate and the tendency to love confrontation are concerns

In a era when even the slightest edge is turned into a theatre that goes for days, neither Boone or Cashman or any other Yankee player wants to be engaged in defending or answering questions. At All.

The Yankees are one of the worst landing spots for contentious players who use social media because:

1) They are always a magnet for jealousy.
2) They are singularly focused on the WS every year. Period. Full Stop.
3) They pay a lot of attention to the international pool and so are covered by Japanese and Latin America media
4) They are literally trained in the minors on how to handle the press

The team itself is literally from the Derek Jeter/Mariano Rivera handbook:

Despite being available to 5-20 media people every day in spring training, before and after 164 games and every post season game and every off season charity event and before and after every All Star game for nearly 20 years...win or agonizing loss they said absolutely nothing to the media they did not want to say. Amazing masters of the endless sports cliche

Many of the current Yankees are exactly the same way. Judge says friendly nothing in front of his locker before and after every game. The Yankees deploy interpreters so no misunderstanding can come from guys like Tanaka or Sanchez. The Yankees go a whole years without providing any bulletin board fodder to other teams.

I doubt this trade happens
Crossing my fingers on Sevy  
Kyle in NY : 6/25/2019 10:06 am : link
just seems like setbacks have been popping up for a lot of guys on the injured list this season and it'd only take one more for Sevy to really throw things into flux.

If he comes back as good as ever then we're just looking for a solid #3 starter at the deadline. If he's still in doubt then they may need to aim even higher. Severino would be the biggest addition they can make
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Kyle in NY : 6/25/2019 10:08 am : link
Good post Bill. Agreed
And it's not a coincidence...  
Dunedin81 : 6/25/2019 10:20 am : link
that the player who can't stay out of his own way with the media (Frazier) is a guy who didn't come up through the Yankee organization.
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section125 : 6/25/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14482091 Kyle in NY said:
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Good post Bill. Agreed


Thanks, as usual, Bill2.

Stanton is a perfect example. For some stupid reason he gets jeered by his own fans. He has said nothing to cause it and said nothing to show disdain for it. It was good to see Boone and especially Voit quietly urge fans to lay off. The guy basically carried the team for six weeks last season even with a bad hammy and very few acknowledge it.
Somebody mentioned the  
section125 : 6/25/2019 10:32 am : link
Yanks having interpreters...

I have always wondered how Sanchez can go to the mound and have a full blown convo with Tanaka without two interpreters..You often see Tanaka sitting on the bench with the Latino guys yucking it up.
My speculation is that they can speak English comfortably enough amongst themselves, but are a bit camera shy (or self conscious) to give interviews without their interpreters( I don't blame them one iota.) You can see Tanaka nodding his head when interviewed by Meredith(as do Gary and many of the Dominicans). One of the young guys (Torres or Andujar?) does speak for himself even with the interpreter there.
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Kyle in NY : 6/25/2019 10:35 am : link
I think Torres does interviews solely on his own. He didn't speak any English when he was signed but worked hard on it and insists on doing it without an interpreter, at least last I saw.

I would guess you're on the mark, section. Most probably understand English well enough, can speak it decently. At least well enough to communicate for mound visits, in the dugout, etc. But when facing the media the interpreter makes them a bit more comfortable to make sure nothing is lost in translation
I'm sure they all speak at least some English  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 10:36 am : link
But the interpreters are there in the interviews to avoid misunderstandings that would get seized on by the parasites of the media to create controversy.
section125  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 10:37 am : link
It is like Ichiro...he can speak English, but he was a little apprehensive to speak it during interviews because he was afraid of screwing up or saying something wrong.
RE: I'm sure they all speak at least some English  
section125 : 6/25/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14482129 Greg from LI said:
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But the interpreters are there in the interviews to avoid misunderstandings that would get seized on by the parasites of the media to create controversy.


Yeah I agree with you and Kyle. The nuances of English are amazingly difficult with a large dose of idioms that are location specific.
It was just an observation/inquisition on my part especially after seeing Tanaka laughing it up a few games ago on the bench with the Dominican guys.
Miguel Cabrera once said  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 10:46 am : link
that when they were at first base together, Ichiro would talk shit to him in Spanish.
RE: Miguel Cabrera once said  
section125 : 6/25/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14482141 Jints in Carolina said:
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that when they were at first base together, Ichiro would talk shit to him in Spanish.


That actually does not surprise me at all.
Ichiro specifically learned Spanish just to talk shit  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 10:53 am : link
That's impressive!

He was also famous for his profanity-heavy pregame speeches in English at All Star Games.
I think one of the best things in our lifetimes has been the influx of  
Stu11 : 6/25/2019 11:13 am : link
Japanese players coming to the MLB. They really are quirky and fun. Ichiro with that quirky swing and fielding style was so much fun, and a great player too with such great tools.
Ichiro is one of my top 5 all time favorite players in baseball  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 11:17 am : link
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Roster moves NYY  
JPinstripes : 6/25/2019 11:47 am : link
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Interesting  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 11:49 am : link
saw a tweet by Chris Moore of WFAN that he's "hearing" the Yankees are targeting Luis Castillo of the Reds.

On the one hand, I don't know Moore to be a bullshitter. On the other, I don't know him to be particularly plugged in with NYY.

Would be expensive. Young kid with awesome stuff, having a breakout year, and controlled through 2023.

Have to think package begins with Frazier + Andujar, and goes up from there. (and I'm not even sure how much use they have for Andujar with Eugenio Suarez under a long-term deal already).
I pay absolutely no attention to the Reds  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 11:53 am : link
So I've never really heard of this guy before. Very impressive numbers, but at age 26 I have to imagine he'll cost a fortune.
RE: Interesting  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14482216 bigbluehoya said:
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saw a tweet by Chris Moore of WFAN that he's "hearing" the Yankees are targeting Luis Castillo of the Reds.

On the one hand, I don't know Moore to be a bullshitter. On the other, I don't know him to be particularly plugged in with NYY.

Would be expensive. Young kid with awesome stuff, having a breakout year, and controlled through 2023.

Have to think package begins with Frazier + Andujar, and goes up from there. (and I'm not even sure how much use they have for Andujar with Eugenio Suarez under a long-term deal already).


Interesting. Castillo is only 26 years old as well.
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