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section125 : 6/25/2019 8:52 am
Good morning and as expected Jonathan Holder was sent to SWB to see if he can be salvaged. Speculation is that Tarpley will be brought up as he was an opener for SWB last pitching 3 innings Saturday.

Davidoff in the Post wrote an article on how the Yanks are still hitting homers but are also scoring runs via singles and doubles at a much higher rate than last season. Like we didn't know that already. Well some of us, anyway.

Both the Post and Ledger blame the "tight" contest last night on the bullpen blowing up - which is not really truth in journalism while technically correct. It got tight because of Holder and Holder only. The bull pen didn't get wrecked, it was one pitcher in the pen.

Odd choice by Boone, IMHO, that he used Green to bailout Holder. If Green was set as the opener for Tuesday(today), why wouldn't Boone have had another pitcher in mind to salvage the inning if Holder continued his meltdown, which was not a stretch of the imagination. Boone is organized as heck, seems like he had not thought this through (then again he likely didn't expect Holder to not record a single out.) But I think we all knew Holder needed to be sent down to figure out what was going on. With Tarpley ready at SBW, this could(should) have been down after the last meltdown (Friday?).

Odds and Ends:
Hicks swings last night looked a lot better. He was on pitches that he swung at. I think he is ready to breakout. Voit looks like he has had a bad night and then you see he was 2-5 with 2 rbis. He is not hitting HRs like I expected, but he sure is driving the ball even when it is an out. I did not like LeMahieu at 1st last night. Lack of playing experience there and it showed. Thankfully Edwin will primarily swap with Voit with DJ taking the odd game. Gardy quietly had his average up to .238 before going 0-4 last night. I think he will benefit greatly from reduced playing time.
Anybody else think that if Gio Urshela continues to hit in the .270-.290 range through the year that Miguel Andujar will be moved to either another position or for a trade? Gio's fielding is just so good. Urshela is really a bench guy, while Andujar is a starter. But with LeMahieu, Torres and Didi do the Yankees need another one position poor fielder on the roster despite his obvious hitting ability (with power)?
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RE: Roster moves NYY  
section125 : 6/25/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14482211 JPinstripes said:
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YES Network
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3m3 minutes ago

Yankees announce Kendrys Morales has been reinstated from the 10-day IL & designated for assignment.

Stephen Tarpley has also been recalled from the Triple-A @swbrailriders.


Both expected moves. Sucks for Morales, but Encarnacion sealed his fate.

Opens a spot on the 40 man, no?
Castillo's ask would be huge...  
Dunedin81 : 6/25/2019 12:07 pm : link
the Reds have a strong farm, but outside of Hunter Greene, who is hurt, they're dominated by position players. Castillo is a building block for them, so they'd have to wow Cincy.
Voit  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 12:09 pm : link
is on pace for 35 homers, talk about ridiculous expectations lol
RE: Castillo's ask would be huge...  
section125 : 6/25/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14482248 Dunedin81 said:
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the Reds have a strong farm, but outside of Hunter Greene, who is hurt, they're dominated by position players. Castillo is a building block for them, so they'd have to wow Cincy.


I doubt that Cash is looking to explode his farm system. I do think Andujar is more vulnerable than Frazier because Frazier actually has a path to LF in Yankee Stadium. If Castillo is the 2nd coming of Sevy, well then ok..otherwise I doubt both Frazier and Andujar would be sent.
Yes there is an open spot on the 40  
JPinstripes : 6/25/2019 12:12 pm : link
Perhaps adding an arm like J.P. Feyereisen who's been excellent the past few months with SWB or Ben Heller who started his rehab assignment last night?
If the target  
YANKEE28 : 6/25/2019 12:13 pm : link
Is truly Castillo of the Reds, then make it a blockbuster and get lefty reliever Amir Garrett as well. 2 quality 26 year olds. Righty starter and a lefty reliever.
RE: If the target  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14482260 YANKEE28 said:
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Is truly Castillo of the Reds, then make it a blockbuster and get lefty reliever Amir Garrett as well. 2 quality 26 year olds. Righty starter and a lefty reliever.


Bring back Sonny! *ducks*
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arcarsenal : 6/25/2019 12:18 pm : link
Price tag on Castillo would be really costly. I'd love it, though... depending on what it'd actually take.

He's legit.

Walking too many batters, but he's got really good strikeout stuff. If the Yanks could get their hands on him, I think he'd be fantastic here. He's done a really good job of getting the HR ball down this year too. That's not a rental, that's a guy you'll have team control on for like 5 more years.

I'd 100% deal Frazier for him.
RE: Voit  
section125 : 6/25/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14482250 DanMetroMan said:
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is on pace for 35 homers, talk about ridiculous expectations lol


I suppose you are referencing the OP..and extrapolated through the season the 35 would be great numbers and about where I thought he had a chance to be top end.
But I was saying that his HR assault has trailed off a bit while his good hitting has continued.
FWIW, I went to the Yankees website to sortable stats for the past 30 days and selected HR as the sortable column. Luke has 4 HRs last 30 days along with Maybin, Hicks, Urshela and Gardy...
He is in 7th with 11 RBIs over the past 30 days right behind Gardy(of all people).
He is also first in OBP and fifth on OPS and AVG.

Pretty damn good for what he was gotten for.
Yanks HR rate past 30 days - ( New Window )
C'mon  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 12:29 pm : link
pace is pace, what he did up to this point has him on pace for 35. Baseball isn't like say the NBA, there are peaks and valleys. Last 3 weeks he only has 3 homers, as does Bryce Harper. Sure, if you thought Voit was going to hit 45-50 homers (his pace last year prorated, his power has been "disappointing") but otherwise he's showing every bit the power anybody could reasonably expect.
Voit  
Stu11 : 6/25/2019 12:33 pm : link
Most of you guys will probably get this as your in my age range. Was telling my kids the other day all about the Bob Sykes for Willie McGee trade and how we had to hear about the fucking trade till the end of time as McGee was winning an MVP and leading the Cards to greatness. I feel like Voit was sent to us as a gift. My hope is that Cards fans will have to listen to "you guys traded Luke Voit for Chasen Schreve" for the next 10 years...
Sporting News says Yanks are watching Scherzer, Bumgarner  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 12:33 pm : link
Stroman and Boyd. Am I the only one who is leery of Boyd? 28 years old, was complete garbage before this year, pitches in a very pitcher friendly park.
uh  
Bill2 : 6/25/2019 12:37 pm : link
lets not get into stuff with Mets fans.

Sorry and no disparagement to the Mets fans ( who have fans and players ownership does not deserve) but it does not work and very rarely leads to insight for either fan base
RE: C'mon  
section125 : 6/25/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14482295 DanMetroMan said:
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pace is pace, what he did up to this point has him on pace for 35. Baseball isn't like say the NBA, there are peaks and valleys. Last 3 weeks he only has 3 homers, as does Bryce Harper. Sure, if you thought Voit was going to hit 45-50 homers (his pace last year prorated, his power has been "disappointing") but otherwise he's showing every bit the power anybody could reasonably expect.


#1.) Baseball doesn't have peaks and valleys? yeah ok. ask Holder or Green or Maybin or Gardner.

#2) Where did I say 45-50 hrs? You blast proration than use it to disprove or prove your point(see #1).

All I said was his HR numbers have slowed. Gary's and Torres have increased. Season is long.
I also pointed out that while his HRs have slowed, his good hitting has continued - BA, OBP and RBIs.
RE: Sporting News says Yanks are watching Scherzer, Bumgarner  
arcarsenal : 6/25/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14482305 Greg from LI said:
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Stroman and Boyd. Am I the only one who is leery of Boyd? 28 years old, was complete garbage before this year, pitches in a very pitcher friendly park.


Supposedly Boyd has made some adjustments, so it's possible this isn't as flukey as it looks - but I'd still be leery of that.

I say swing for the fences on Scherzer. The guy is a fucking horse and a gamer. I have zero doubts he'd be able to handle the big stage and he makes NYY WS favorites without a doubt.

I'm just not sure we'll be able to pry him away.

Stroman seems to be the best/most realistic fit.

Maybe Bumgarner is just bored pitching on a team that is going nowhere... I don't know. But, he's really not having a great year. I'm lukewarm on him. I know how incredible he's been on the biggest stage, but... past results don't guarantee future outcomes.
RE: Voit  
RasputinPrime : 6/25/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14482304 Stu11 said:
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Most of you guys will probably get this as your in my age range. Was telling my kids the other day all about the Bob Sykes for Willie McGee trade and how we had to hear about the fucking trade till the end of time as McGee was winning an MVP and leading the Cards to greatness. I feel like Voit was sent to us as a gift. My hope is that Cards fans will have to listen to "you guys traded Luke Voit for Chasen Schreve" for the next 10 years...


Let's keep in mind Gallegos has a .8war for the year at a position of much greater need for the Cards. I'd say it's a bigger win for us but a win-win at this point.
DanMetroMan  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 12:41 pm : link
is good stuff. He didn't post here for some drive-by antagonism from a Mets fan, as is the case in some of these discussions (and that goes both ways).

He's more than welcome in any discussion as far as I'm concerned.
RE: DanMetroMan  
section125 : 6/25/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14482319 bigbluehoya said:
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is good stuff. He didn't post here for some drive-by antagonism from a Mets fan, as is the case in some of these discussions (and that goes both ways).

He's more than welcome in any discussion as far as I'm concerned.


Agree.
RE: uh  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14482313 Bill2 said:
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lets not get into stuff with Mets fans.

Sorry and no disparagement to the Mets fans ( who have fans and players ownership does not deserve) but it does not work and very rarely leads to insight for either fan base


Other than me being a Mets fan, it's really not relevant here. I'm not a Yankee hater by any means and even teams I do "hate" like the Phillies, I can recognize who/what is good and what isn't. I would hope most grown adults could seperate being a fan with bias. I don't root against the Yankees unless they are playing the Mets and even then the Mets are so bad.. who cares? The Subway Series has lost it's magic either way.
RE: DanMetroMan  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14482319 bigbluehoya said:
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is good stuff. He didn't post here for some drive-by antagonism from a Mets fan, as is the case in some of these discussions (and that goes both ways).

He's more than welcome in any discussion as far as I'm concerned.


Thank You
Bumgarner's hard hit % is through the roof  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 12:47 pm : link
He's getting tattooed: only 14.4% soft contact, 38.6% medium, 47% hard. Ground balls down to 35.9%. Putting him in YS with numbers like that is terrifying, honestly.
Boyd Stroman Bauer Scherzer Bum Wheeler  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 12:47 pm : link
my main takeaway at this point is that there are various good options at what should be a number of different price points.

I'll be rather disappointed if they don't make a meaningful addition to the rotation. This is a season to push some chips to the center of the table on.
RE: Bumgarner's hard hit % is through the roof  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14482328 Greg from LI said:
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He's getting tattooed: only 14.4% soft contact, 38.6% medium, 47% hard. Ground balls down to 35.9%. Putting him in YS with numbers like that is terrifying, honestly.


Thing with Bumgarner is you hope (like Verlander) that the big gamer in him comes alive in a new setting. He hasn't been the same pitcher since 2016 so odds are low he's an "ace" but a bump upon being traded to a contender wouldn't surprise me.
Wheeler?? Dear god, no  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 12:49 pm : link
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RE: Bumgarner's hard hit % is through the roof  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14482328 Greg from LI said:
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He's getting tattooed: only 14.4% soft contact, 38.6% medium, 47% hard. Ground balls down to 35.9%. Putting him in YS with numbers like that is terrifying, honestly.


MadBum is really the only one among the realistic list that I'd prefer not to take on, at least not when giving up anything of value.

To me, he has little value beyond the cost of his remaining salary for the year. Maybe a wildcard prospect or two, but nothing near any of Frazier/Andujar/Deivi/Florial.
RE: Bumgarner's hard hit % is through the roof  
section125 : 6/25/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14482328 Greg from LI said:
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He's getting tattooed: only 14.4% soft contact, 38.6% medium, 47% hard. Ground balls down to 35.9%. Putting him in YS with numbers like that is terrifying, honestly.


Not a MadBum fan for the Yanks. Scherzer is a pipe dream and he is 34 and wildly expensive. Maybe he is Justin Verlander, maybe (as example only - no correlation to talent) he is Happ(falls off the table).
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arcarsenal : 6/25/2019 12:51 pm : link
Dan should be welcomed into any baseball thread - he knows his stuff and wasn't being combative. One of the most knowledgable baseball people on BBI.
RE: Wheeler?? Dear god, no  
bigbluehoya : 6/25/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14482332 Greg from LI said:
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I happen to like Wheeler. I can see why you don't, but I believe in the stuff. I think we just disagree on that one.
Stroman  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 12:52 pm : link
isn't an ace but he too has that big game in his blood feel and quietly is on pace to put up his 4th 3+ fWAR season. When healthy he's above average.
RE: RE: Bumgarner's hard hit % is through the roof  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14482335 section125 said:
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In comment 14482328 Greg from LI said:


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He's getting tattooed: only 14.4% soft contact, 38.6% medium, 47% hard. Ground balls down to 35.9%. Putting him in YS with numbers like that is terrifying, honestly.



Not a MadBum fan for the Yanks. Scherzer is a pipe dream and he is 34 and wildly expensive. Maybe he is Justin Verlander, maybe (as example only - no correlation to talent) he is Happ(falls off the table).


Scherzer's salary isn't as bad as it appears at first blush. For salary cap purposes he's going to cost about 57 million for 2020 + 2021, every big market team in baseball would pay Max Scherzer 2 years 57 million given the chance
I don't think Verlander's a good comp  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 12:55 pm : link
Verlander was the Cy runner-up just the year before the trade, unlike Bumgarner who has been declining for three seasons now. He wasn't even pitching badly in Detroit - ERA was a bit high but he wasn't getting hit particularly hard or anything.

Also, the Astros have proven to have some kind of secret formula to improving pitchers. They've done it with multiple guys now - Verlander, Cole, Morton, they all pitched significantly better with Houston than their previous clubs. The Yankees don't have that kind of track record. Honestly, I wish the Yankees could poach their pitching coaches.
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arcarsenal : 6/25/2019 12:56 pm : link
There's one thing I like about Wheeler - and it's that he's turned into a guy who pitches deep into games and really gives you length. Scherzer is the only guy in the majors throwing more pitches per start right now.

I do think Wheeler's 2nd half last year was more outlier than anything else. And I don't think the Mets would be particularly thrilled to send him here without a hefty enough return; so it's probably not a great match, but NYY could do worse.
RE: Stroman  
section125 : 6/25/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14482341 DanMetroMan said:
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isn't an ace but he too has that big game in his blood feel and quietly is on pace to put up his 4th 3+ fWAR season. When healthy he's above average.


I agree and lean toward Stroman. I believe the Yankees just need a steady pitcher, likely to be in the 3.50 to 3.85 ERA range that can go deep into the game especially if Severino returns as well as German.
This team will be hard to subdue on the offensive side.
RE: Stroman  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14482341 DanMetroMan said:
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isn't an ace but he too has that big game in his blood feel and quietly is on pace to put up his 4th 3+ fWAR season. When healthy he's above average.


And he's pitched his entire career in the AL East. He knows what it's like. After watching a bunch of touted guys come in from the NL, or even the AL West, and struggle, I think there's something to that. I wouldn't empty the farm for Stroman, but he'd be a quality pickup.


hoya - Wheeler just looks like one of those guys who will always break your heart. Big arm, looks overwhelming at times, but just can't ever really put it together. He's a white Pineda to me, basically.
Yeah as I've always said, hard pass on MadBum  
Stu11 : 6/25/2019 1:03 pm : link
on top of all the declining #'s the re-building Giants have little else to trade so they will be asking for the moon. If its taking a flier on him hoping he regains his post season competitive form of course I would, but this will be no flier. They will ask for Frazier and a few others. Stroman seems to make the most sense. We'll have to pay, but not overly excessive and we know he can pitch in the AL East. Plus he just told that phony Eck to take a long walk off a short peer, so that's cool.
Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 1:03 pm : link
is stubborn and very low "baseball iq". Hates numbers. Someone could get through to him for sure.
RE: I don't think Verlander's a good comp  
section125 : 6/25/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14482347 Greg from LI said:
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Verlander was the Cy runner-up just the year before the trade, unlike Bumgarner who has been declining for three seasons now. He wasn't even pitching badly in Detroit - ERA was a bit high but he wasn't getting hit particularly hard or anything.

Also, the Astros have proven to have some kind of secret formula to improving pitchers. They've done it with multiple guys now - Verlander, Cole, Morton, they all pitched significantly better with Houston than their previous clubs. The Yankees don't have that kind of track record. Honestly, I wish the Yankees could poach their pitching coaches.


If responding to me Greg, I was referring to Verlander pitching well as long as he has (36 or 37 y/o) with no drop off. If Scherzer would do that he would be worth the money, but the cost to get him would be crazy. I was looking for extremes on older pitchers. Those who looked good and continued (Velander) and those that fell apart quickly (Happ) - not that Happ is in the same class as Velander or Scherzer..
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 6/25/2019 1:06 pm : link
(and others) likely regret not giving Lance Lynn what the Rangers gave him. He's looking like a total steal. Another guy the Yankees could look at is Roark. He's already 32 going on 33 but this is already his 5th season 2+ fWAR and the Reds are bad.
The Stroman-Eckersley thing was hilarious  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 1:09 pm : link
Of all people to grouse about a pitcher celebrating on the mound, THAT guy is gonna say something?? The same guy that did a whole lotta fist-pumping on the mound?
RE: The Stroman-Eckersley thing was hilarious  
section125 : 6/25/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14482370 Greg from LI said:
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Of all people to grouse about a pitcher celebrating on the mound, THAT guy is gonna say something?? The same guy that did a whole lotta fist-pumping on the mound?


Wasn't it Eck that got into it with Price last year?
I'm surprised no mention of Deivi Garcia.  
Dave in Buffalo : 6/25/2019 1:11 pm : link
Combined with the pen for a no hitter last night! Deivi went 5 and struck out 9. That's one hit in his last 11 innings. His new slider has really made a difference for him. He's relying less on the fastball. Has that killer curve along with a good changeup and a very promising slider. Kid is on fire!
no, I was responding to Dan about Verlander  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 1:12 pm : link
about the notion that being traded to a contender would jump start Bumgarner the way a lot of people think being traded to Houston did the same to Verlander, but Verlander pre-trade was pitching a helluva lot better than Bumgarner has been lately.
RE: I'm surprised no mention of Deivi Garcia.  
section125 : 6/25/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14482375 Dave in Buffalo said:
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Combined with the pen for a no hitter last night! Deivi went 5 and struck out 9. That's one hit in his last 11 innings. His new slider has really made a difference for him. He's relying less on the fastball. Has that killer curve along with a good changeup and a very promising slider. Kid is on fire!


Trying hard not to jinx the kid....;-p
RE: The Stroman-Eckersley thing was hilarious  
arcarsenal : 6/25/2019 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14482370 Greg from LI said:
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Of all people to grouse about a pitcher celebrating on the mound, THAT guy is gonna say something?? The same guy that did a whole lotta fist-pumping on the mound?


LOL. Eckersley was literally one of the most demonstrative pitchers I can ever remember. I can't believe he said anything about Stroman. Eckersley would literally yell at batters from the mound, "punch" them out... you name it. He was a dick.

Great pitcher, but he was a dick.
RE: no, I was responding to Dan about Verlander  
section125 : 6/25/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14482378 Greg from LI said:
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about the notion that being traded to a contender would jump start Bumgarner the way a lot of people think being traded to Houston did the same to Verlander, but Verlander pre-trade was pitching a helluva lot better than Bumgarner has been lately.


gotcha - the most likely thing to help Bumgarner is the Yanks defense and offense. Not sure he and the Stadium are a good match.
Yes, it was Eckersley  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 1:14 pm : link
Though I don't remember what that was all about with him and Price.
RE: RE: I'm surprised no mention of Deivi Garcia.  
Dave in Buffalo : 6/25/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14482379 section125 said:
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In comment 14482375 Dave in Buffalo said:


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Combined with the pen for a no hitter last night! Deivi went 5 and struck out 9. That's one hit in his last 11 innings. His new slider has really made a difference for him. He's relying less on the fastball. Has that killer curve along with a good changeup and a very promising slider. Kid is on fire!



Trying hard not to jinx the kid....;-p


I hear ya, lol...
RE: Yes, it was Eckersley  
section125 : 6/25/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14482384 Greg from LI said:
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Though I don't remember what that was all about with him and Price.


Not sure it was reported, think it happened on a plane....we may not "like" Price, but he is not a douchebag.
Eckersley also used to make a finger gun and "shoot em down"  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 1:18 pm : link
when he struck someone out. This is like Ocho Cinco bitching that a receiver should act like he's been there before after a touchdown. Absurd.

Young Deivi is only 20 and has never topped 74 innings before. He's at 64 right now and I imagine his limit will be around 110, so maybe they could use him as a reliever down the stretch, but he's not going to fix the hole in the rotation. Not this season, anyway.
Yea Eck calling him out for celebrating on the mound Sunday  
Stu11 : 6/25/2019 1:21 pm : link
was probably one of the biggest examples of lack of self-awareness in recorded history. Coming from a guy who literally pointed at hitters like he was shooting them with a gun after he K'd them.
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