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section125 : 6/25/2019 8:52 am
Good morning and as expected Jonathan Holder was sent to SWB to see if he can be salvaged. Speculation is that Tarpley will be brought up as he was an opener for SWB last pitching 3 innings Saturday.

Davidoff in the Post wrote an article on how the Yanks are still hitting homers but are also scoring runs via singles and doubles at a much higher rate than last season. Like we didn't know that already. Well some of us, anyway.

Both the Post and Ledger blame the "tight" contest last night on the bullpen blowing up - which is not really truth in journalism while technically correct. It got tight because of Holder and Holder only. The bull pen didn't get wrecked, it was one pitcher in the pen.

Odd choice by Boone, IMHO, that he used Green to bailout Holder. If Green was set as the opener for Tuesday(today), why wouldn't Boone have had another pitcher in mind to salvage the inning if Holder continued his meltdown, which was not a stretch of the imagination. Boone is organized as heck, seems like he had not thought this through (then again he likely didn't expect Holder to not record a single out.) But I think we all knew Holder needed to be sent down to figure out what was going on. With Tarpley ready at SBW, this could(should) have been down after the last meltdown (Friday?).

Odds and Ends:
Hicks swings last night looked a lot better. He was on pitches that he swung at. I think he is ready to breakout. Voit looks like he has had a bad night and then you see he was 2-5 with 2 rbis. He is not hitting HRs like I expected, but he sure is driving the ball even when it is an out. I did not like LeMahieu at 1st last night. Lack of playing experience there and it showed. Thankfully Edwin will primarily swap with Voit with DJ taking the odd game. Gardy quietly had his average up to .238 before going 0-4 last night. I think he will benefit greatly from reduced playing time.
Anybody else think that if Gio Urshela continues to hit in the .270-.290 range through the year that Miguel Andujar will be moved to either another position or for a trade? Gio's fielding is just so good. Urshela is really a bench guy, while Andujar is a starter. But with LeMahieu, Torres and Didi do the Yankees need another one position poor fielder on the roster despite his obvious hitting ability (with power)?
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read into this what you will  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 1:25 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
It’s good that Marcus Stroman said he welcomes NY, but Jays and Yankees have been apart on value. 1.5 years of control for Stroman is not a ton
Don't think Morales DFA...  
BC Eagles94 : 6/25/2019 1:28 pm : link
is indicative of any immediate roster move to add someone to the 40 man. Think they did it because he was healthy and couldn't be stashed on IL and/or as respect to a veteran to try and find another team. But we have at least a few pitchers on the the 60 day DL that will need 40 man spots when they return (Sevy, Betances, Johnny Lasagna, and even Heller). SO they will probably hold it open instead of adding someone that we will have to risk losing through DFA later on.
RE: read into this what you will  
section125 : 6/25/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14482394 Jints in Carolina said:
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
It’s good that Marcus Stroman said he welcomes NY, but Jays and Yankees have been apart on value. 1.5 years of control for Stroman is not a ton


Hey, I don't blame the Jays. They are trying to pick Cashman's pocket. Maybe why the kid Castillo from the Reds was mentioned - a little diversion.
Andy Martino?  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 1:30 pm : link
Not a guy I'd say has his finger on the pulse of the Yankees.....although I don't doubt that the Jays are trying to rob Cashman.
Eckersley has been a horses ass forever  
mfsd : 6/25/2019 1:34 pm : link
but Stroman’s response was beautiful - I didn’t see it, but apparently tweeted video clips of Eck acting out and showing up hitters after strikeouts.

Stroman’s stock just went up a couple points IMO...feels like a guy who’d relish the big stage
RE: Andy Martino?  
section125 : 6/25/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14482397 Greg from LI said:
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Not a guy I'd say has his finger on the pulse of the Yankees.....although I don't doubt that the Jays are trying to rob Cashman.


Don't know him either, but of course the Jays are trying to squeeze Cash. Yanks need a pitcher and the Jays have one that fits. Do they expect Frazier, Andujar and Garcia? No. But I'm sure it won't be two A ball guys and a AA player. (well maybe it will be?)
one other thing to keep in mind with Deivi Garcia  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 1:34 pm : link
Historically, Trenton is a pretty extreme pitcher's park.
5 Trenton players named to Eastern League All-Star team:  
Del Shofner : 6/25/2019 1:39 pm : link
"Assuming all are still in Double-A, right-handers Deivi Garcia and Daniel Alvarez, first baseman Chris Gittens, outfielder Ben Ruta and middle infielder Hoy Jun Park will represent Trenton at the Eastern League All-Star Game in Richmond on July 10."
I read the OP as Yankees - Pot Holder  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/25/2019 1:54 pm : link
and was hoping to find some nifty pin striped or NY logo kitchen accoutrements.

Whoops!!!!!
Ruta has really cooled off...  
Dunedin81 : 6/25/2019 1:56 pm : link
his June BA is .206. Was hitting over .400 almost a month into the season.
RE: one other thing to keep in mind with Deivi Garcia  
Mike from SI : 6/25/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14482405 Greg from LI said:
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Historically, Trenton is a pretty extreme pitcher's park.


All those Ks don't depend on the park! But I hear you.
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Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 2:27 pm : link
Bryan Hoch
@BryanHoch
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Chad Green will be the #Yankees opener tonight.
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section125 : 6/25/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14482454 Jints in Carolina said:
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Bryan Hoch
@BryanHoch
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10m
Chad Green will be the #Yankees opener tonight.


Hmmm, probably only 1 inning instead of two. Would not be surprised if followed by Tarpley, then Cortes. RH,LH,RH
according to Jack Curry  
Jints in Carolina : 6/25/2019 2:41 pm : link
Cortes will follow.
RE: according to Jack Curry  
section125 : 6/25/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14482470 Jints in Carolina said:
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Cortes will follow.


Well it is a good formula..they have 4 wins(?) with that combo?
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arcarsenal : 6/25/2019 3:55 pm : link
Makes sense. Green has generally been able to handle pitching two days in a row when he's been asked to, or can give you two innings in one appearance. Figured after yesterday, he'd still be available for an inning since he only threw 16 pitches and hadn't pitched since the 20th before that.

So, we'll probably see Green go one, then they'll probably hope they can get ~4 out of Cortes.

Figure Hale will definitely pitch somewhere in the middle innings depending on how deep Cortes can go and Britton would serve as the closer - I'm presuming they'll stay away from Chapman tonight.

Ideally you give Otto a night off, but I believe he only needed 3 bullets to get us out of the 8th last night. Kahnle should be available if we need him for at least a couple batters.
3 extra days off ahead before/after London trip  
mfsd : 6/25/2019 4:04 pm : link
reasonable time to push Green a bit, 2 innings still a possibility if he’s sharp I think
RE: 3 extra days off ahead before/after London trip  
arcarsenal : 6/25/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14482544 mfsd said:
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reasonable time to push Green a bit, 2 innings still a possibility if he’s sharp I think


Also a good point.

If he gets through the first in like 10 pitches or less, I could see them sending him back out in the 2nd to try to at least get another couple outs.
Hopefully they'll batter Clayton Richard  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2019 4:12 pm : link
and make it easy on the pitching staff
whoa  
Bill2 : 6/25/2019 5:09 pm : link
Bad post on my part

I know and like Dan's contributions and have for years.

I tossed off a quick thought in an inarticulate way.

I was aiming at the following:

If I am a Met fan I am not happy at this time. What happens often is posts made in irritation. If I am a Yankee fan, Im riding high and forgetting what stuck looks like ( which as a matter of year counts in my case is less 50/50 good years from about 1965).

About the only thing that can ruin a good community of posters on Yankee Threads is us squabbling with Mets or Sox fans ( there used to be more and more difficult Sox trolls in the past).

Did not intend for that comment to be about Dan or today.

Sorry Dan and thank you to the guys who made that clear to him like bigbluehoya and arc and others.
RE: RE: RE: Bumgarner's hard hit % is through the roof  
Eman11 : 6/25/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14482346 DanMetroMan said:
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He's getting tattooed: only 14.4% soft contact, 38.6% medium, 47% hard. Ground balls down to 35.9%. Putting him in YS with numbers like that is terrifying, honestly.



Not a MadBum fan for the Yanks. Scherzer is a pipe dream and he is 34 and wildly expensive. Maybe he is Justin Verlander, maybe (as example only - no correlation to talent) he is Happ(falls off the table).



Scherzer's salary isn't as bad as it appears at first blush. For salary cap purposes he's going to cost about 57 million for 2020 + 2021, every big market team in baseball would pay Max Scherzer 2 years 57 million given the chance


Agreed but it's the 105 mil of deferred money I'm sure most would balk at. He's due 15 mil a year for seven years starting in 2022 I believe. So unless the Nats kicked in some dough, you'd really be taking on over 160 mil for two and a half years
Bauer  
PaulN : 6/25/2019 6:53 pm : link
Looks to be the best choice, there is no way anyone else is worth it unless Bumgartner came cheap, Scherzer of coarse but dealing with that organization and contract may be impossible. The Mets can keep Wheeler, he stinks, plus your dealing with a misfit owner, GM, and organization in a shitstorm totally paranoid to deal with the Yanks, ha ha ha, good luck.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bumgarner's hard hit % is through the roof  
section125 : 6/26/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14482637 Eman11 said:
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Agreed but it's the 105 mil of deferred money I'm sure most would balk at. He's due 15 mil a year for seven years starting in 2022 I believe. So unless the Nats kicked in some dough, you'd really be taking on over 160 mil for two and a half years


The trade won't happen, but if I were Cashman I'd tell the Nats that the deferred money is theirs to cover. Basically, they averaged out his salary for several years past his contract, so most of it was already earned while he was playing with the Nationals. The Yanks may have taken the salaries for the next two seasons, but they are not paying for what he earned previously.
RE: Bauer  
Mike from SI : 6/26/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14482692 PaulN said:
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Looks to be the best choice, there is no way anyone else is worth it unless Bumgartner came cheap, Scherzer of coarse but dealing with that organization and contract may be impossible. The Mets can keep Wheeler, he stinks, plus your dealing with a misfit owner, GM, and organization in a shitstorm totally paranoid to deal with the Yanks, ha ha ha, good luck.


I'm a big Bauer fan but there is baggage that could blow up on us in this town. We've discussed it at least twice here so no need to go into the details, but if you're unfamiliar some googling will get you there.
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