NFT: NHL Free Agency Thread

Aaron Portzline
@Aportzline

#CBJ are trying to get this done tonight � as in within the next two hours. After that, they can�t give him eight years.

Clock, ticking.

paying Bob $10M per. that's a lot.

Bob McKenzie
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The Panarin Plot thickens:
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Pierre LeBrun
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Also hear the CBJ offered around $12 M or so a year over 8 years .... (link: https://twitter.com/aportzline/status/1145514428990939136) twitter.com/aportzline/sta�

Chris Johnston
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Here's the thing about a $96M+ offer to Artemi Panarin from #CBJ: Another team would have to go to a ~$13.7M AAV to match the total compensation.

However, the contract needs to be done by midnight ET to include the eighth year.
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Although it would be disappointing to miss the chance to offer sheet marner.

from Friedman this morning (reiterating much that is already posted)


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Bob McKenzie
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Expect hometown boy Jason Spezza to sign a one-year contract with TOR today.
8:34 AM - 1 Jul 201

See my post about Galchenyak? Curious your thoughts.

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See my post about Galchenyak? Curious your thoughts.

In the draft thread? I replied to it didn't I?

Arthur Staple
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Just about 3 hours left until the gates open. Sure seems like best offer out there for Panarin is from the #Isles. COL/NYR offers on table but for less term and/or less $. Already rejected 12m from CBJ and FLA's cap space is dwindling. Nothing decided yet, it appears.


Stick to your guns, JD and Gorton. Don't break the bank.

Larry Brooks
@NYP_Brooksie
Sounds like $12m per is magic # for Panarin. Trouba is going to come in at close to $8m. NYR have about $18.4 of space and don�t have Buchnevich, Lemieux, DeAngelo signed yet. Cap space presumes Smith in AHL.

#13M AAV for Panarin. It's just hard to find an elite talent at his age available on the UFA market. These guys usually sign extensions with their teams.

Will stink if the Rangers get him, but we'll have to suck it up and move on. Hoping to get the final news soon either way.

It seems pretty clear he is leveraging the isles and other offers to get JD to jump back in.

If he wanted Columbus he would've already signed for the 8th year.

to OTT.

If the Habs want to give him 8 per lol. Good luck no hard feelings.

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It seems pretty clear he is leveraging the isles and other offers to get JD to jump back in. If he wanted Columbus he would've already signed for the 8th year.

Isles need to make their best offer (which should be really strong, as high as 7yr/$91M) and if he goes elsewhere, even to NYR, you shake it off at move on. I like the approach of being aggressive and going after elite talent.

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If the Habs want to give him 8 per lol. Good luck no hard feelings.

Where did you see that? 5yrs/$40M or something like that is a whole lot of money for Lee. I'll still cheer him when he comes back to the Island.

saying Jackets are out on Lee as bidding might be as high at $9MAAC for him. WOW

All ufas require an overpay.

Majority of these deals will be albatrosses in two years.

separate thread set up for Panarin.


Bob McKenzie
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9m9 minutes ago

Expect Jimmy Vesey on the move from NYR today. Last night BUF and EDM were both vying for the former Hobey Baker winner. Rangers clearing room for Panarin, who they feel is within their grasp.
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account on that Vesey rumor

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separate thread set up for Panarin. Bob McKenzie ‏ @brandonco4 9m9 minutes ago Expect Jimmy Vesey on the move from NYR today. Last night BUF and EDM were both vying for the former Hobey Baker winner. Rangers clearing room for Panarin, who they feel is within their grasp. 13 replies 4 retweets 22 likes

Look at the username. It's not the real Bob McKenzie

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
According to sources, Carolina got calls from 3 different teams today on Sebastian Aho, hinting at an offer sheet. The 'Canes told them they would match any offer sheet. Carolina did tell them they would entertain trade conversation. Believe that Habs is among 3 teams who called

damn it.

I do think Vesey could be moved though.

I don't get fans who would pay 10 or 10.5 but not 12. Seems arbitrary to me.


Sean Tierney
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34m34 minutes ago

Glad I'm not the one paying him but Panarin checks all the boxes as a UFA. Like other elite players, he's probably great for 2 more years, good for 2 years after that, then who knows for the last 3 years of the deal.

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I don't get fans who would pay 10 or 10.5 but not 12. Seems arbitrary to me. Sean Tierney ‏ @ChartingHockey 34m34 minutes ago Glad I'm not the one paying him but Panarin checks all the boxes as a UFA. Like other elite players, he's probably great for 2 more years, good for 2 years after that, then who knows for the last 3 years of the deal.

12M is McDavid-esque. 10.5 is the same amount that the Blackhawks are paying Patrick Kane.

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In comment 14488096 pjcas18 said: Quote: I don't get fans who would pay 10 or 10.5 but not 12. Seems arbitrary to me. Sean Tierney ‏ @ChartingHockey 34m34 minutes ago Glad I'm not the one paying him but Panarin checks all the boxes as a UFA. Like other elite players, he's probably great for 2 more years, good for 2 years after that, then who knows for the last 3 years of the deal. 12M is McDavid-esque. 10.5 is the same amount that the Blackhawks are paying Patrick Kane.

McDavid was extended early. You have to consider the cost of acquiring free agents.

Kane and McDavid never hit free agency.

Comparing Tavares to Panarin is more appropriate.

I don't think the Rangers are quite ready to win now. If this were 2021 and Panarin were the same age and available, I'd probably feel differently. Right now, though, I can't shake the suspicion that he'll start declining in a few years right as the team is getting close to contention.

this year is fine. 11 million for Panarin 7 years from now, probably not.

Losing an elite talent over the cost of a vet 4th liner is silly. You can make up the difference with an entry level contract grinder. There is a limitless supply.

Term is the scarier thing, not compensation.

New York Rangers
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23s23 seconds ago

OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired a third-round pick in the 2021 NHL Draft from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for Jimmy Vesey.

fake bob mckenzie was right.

of these deals. Hall is looking at 11 mill+ per if we re-sign him, and the others- Nico/Hughes will be looking at big pay days within the next 3 years. I'd sign a top guy to most any $ over the next 3 seasons with the space we have, but 5-6 years is prohibitive.

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I don't think the Rangers are quite ready to win now. If this were 2021 and Panarin were the same age and available, I'd probably feel differently. Right now, though, I can't shake the suspicion that he'll start declining in a few years right as the team is getting close to contention.

I'm with you. Team is at least two years away. And I think that's being incredibly optimistic.

Panarin.

But the young guys need some time. The defense is still going to be a mess for another year or two.

but I feel like Panarin wants the Rangers and there have been a lot of leaks to the media designed to get the Rangers to up the offer just a bit

Now the Rangers shipping off Vesey while taking no salary back. I think there's a chance the Rangers slip in here and steal the Bread Man. We'll see

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fake bob mckenzie was right.

Which makes him more accurate than Eklund ever was

It should be at least a good bit better than last year, not that it's a high bar to clear. If the defense is at least average, they can be a solid team that could win a playoff round.

from being a playoff contender. They should be a wild card contender this year.

without Panarin.

they added Trouba, Fox, Kakko, Kravstov, etc. and have a lot of cap room to make additional adds (without Panarin).

with Panarin they should be expected to make the playoffs.

Not just making the playoffs.

they must think they are in on Panarin.

July 1 heartbreak for NYI fans, what else is new?

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Not just making the playoffs.

baby steps.

IMO playoff experience is valuable to a young team. If you can get guys like Chytil, Andersson, Kravstov, Kakko, etc. some good playoff experience in a gravy year (like the Avs did) I think it will pay off down the road - even if it's just preparation for a road game and avoiding a slow start/momentum from the home team.

I agree though, no they are not cup contenders this year.

In a season though where an 8 seed made the conference finals, just getting in is valuable.

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they must think they are in on Panarin. July 1 heartbreak for NYI fans, what else is new?

Careful about reading tea leaves. Everyone thought last Saturday that dumping Marleau was a pre-cursor to the Leafs getting Subban, and within minutes he was a Devil.

to the Canadiens. No idea why Montreal is opposed to having a young, quality, backup.

Last year it was ancient Niemi.

this year mediocre Kinkaid.

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In comment 14488167 Metnut said: Quote: they must think they are in on Panarin. July 1 heartbreak for NYI fans, what else is new? Careful about reading tea leaves. Everyone thought last Saturday that dumping Marleau was a pre-cursor to the Leafs getting Subban, and within minutes he was a Devil.

Most people thought Marleau was clearing room for Marner, Johnsson and their other RFAs

still firmly in his prime, I don't buy that he wouldn't line up with the young guys or that he'd start to decline by the time they're ready to fully contend.

He's only played 4 NHL seasons. Coming from the KHL before that with shorter seasons, he doesn't have a ton of miles on him (see the link below). Hasn't dealt with injuries, unlike when we were talking about a big deal for Karlsson a few weeks back.

I said last week I'd be fine if they passed on him because 11-12 million is a lot and there's only a few players I'd really feel comfortable giving that to, with Panarin just on the border of that group.

But the reasons to pass would not be related to his age, or that he wouldn't line up properly with the young players. I actually think the timeline matches up pretty well and would all of a sudden create an incredibly skilled forward group.

Plus the comedy of stealing him from the Islanders would be fantastic, we can all agree there
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In comment 14488187 Stu11 said: Quote: In comment 14488167 Metnut said: Quote: they must think they are in on Panarin. July 1 heartbreak for NYI fans, what else is new? Careful about reading tea leaves. Everyone thought last Saturday that dumping Marleau was a pre-cursor to the Leafs getting Subban, and within minutes he was a Devil. Most people thought Marleau was clearing room for Marner, Johnsson and their other RFAs

Yes but there was a ton of buzz that morning about them and Subban

Panarin

Frank Seravalli
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Three more years of #CliffyHockey. #NHLBruins have agreed to terms on a three-year extension with Connor Clifton worth $3 million total. He has one year left at $725k, extension can be papered as soon as today.

NYR are getting Panarin

NYR for Panarin. Too bad.

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All signs are pointing toward the NYR landing Artemi Panarin.

Wooo baby.

Now I need to see the terms...

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All signs are pointing toward the NYR landing Artemi Panarin.

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Hradek has it too - he's coming.

If it does happen, I just hope like hell Panarin is one of those guys who ages gracefully into his 30s.

Should be an exciting team to watch next year. Tons of talent at forward.

Taking the hit of missing out on all the stars in Basketball may have prompted us to push harder for this.

Supposedly he left some money on the table to sign with NYR over NYI.

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Supposedly he left some money on the table to sign with NYR over NYI.

Oh, nice! That will salve the burn left by the Durant fiasco at least a little bit.

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Supposedly he left some money on the table to sign with NYR over NYI.

Lol Isles

Quite an influx of talent for the NYR this offseason!

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In comment 14488166 Greg from LI said: Quote: Not just making the playoffs. baby steps. IMO playoff experience is valuable to a young team. If you can get guys like Chytil, Andersson, Kravstov, Kakko, etc. some good playoff experience in a gravy year (like the Avs did) I think it will pay off down the road - even if it's just preparation for a road game and avoiding a slow start/momentum from the home team. I agree though, no they are not cup contenders this year. In a season though where an 8 seed made the conference finals, just getting in is valuable.

I think Rangers fans are overrating their group. They still need another elite talent AND the top guys to pan out to think they can really contend.

The Leafs hit on every guy for a few years, hit a home run with Matthews, and are already in a cap crunch. And they still haven't won a Cup.

Right now, we don't know that. We only know that they're extremely talented.

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Right now, we don't know that. We only know that they're extremely talented.

Upsides are ridiculously good.

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In comment 14488096 pjcas18 said: Quote: I don't get fans who would pay 10 or 10.5 but not 12. Seems arbitrary to me. Sean Tierney ‏ @ChartingHockey 34m34 minutes ago Glad I'm not the one paying him but Panarin checks all the boxes as a UFA. Like other elite players, he's probably great for 2 more years, good for 2 years after that, then who knows for the last 3 years of the deal. 12M is McDavid-esque. 10.5 is the same amount that the Blackhawks are paying Patrick Kane.

Some good Panarin perspective:


Dimitri Filipovic
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Panarin's league ranks since coming to the NHL:

Points - 7th
Primary Points - 8th
5v5 Points - 5th
5v5 Primary Points - 4th

🍞👨🏻

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In comment 14488267 Greg from LI said: Quote: Right now, we don't know that. We only know that they're extremely talented. Upsides are ridiculously good.

How quickly they reach it will be big for next year. How long before the highly touted Goalie starts playing?

Joe Haggerty
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Joe Haggerty Retweeted Ian Anderson

I had heard rumblings that Noel Acciari was gone to FLA earlier this morning, but nothing confirmed. I believe @FriedgeHNIC has reported a 3-year deal with the Panthers for him

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Right now, we don't know that. We only know that they're extremely talented.

Well I think we all accept Kakko is going to be the greatest player of all time as given fact.

I think they need to hit on a few of the D (Fox, Miller, etc.). They shockingly seem to have sufficient top six talent if Kakko/Kravtsov pan out.

84 million.

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Not yet confirmed, but hearing Panarin's deal with NYR will come in at 7-years in the neighborhood of $84M.

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Well I think we all accept Kakko is going to be the greatest player of all time as given fact.

Gretzky saw him play once and said "Well, there go all of my records."

Wonder how they clear some space now and if that means shipping Kreider out or getting creative to unload one or two of the defensemen

People say Lemieux or Orr could have been the GOAT if they stayed healthy.

Kakko ends that conversation.

Expensive and I was kind of leery at this cost - but I really like the player and I'm not worried about the term.

Gorts has done a pretty damn good job getting young talent back in here. I think the Rangers are going to be really fun to watch this year. Won't be contenders yet - but so much young talent.

I feel like Kravtsov is almost being forgotten with all of the stuff swirling around Kakko, etc... but I actually think Vitali is going to be really, really fucking good. I'm pumped for him. He was really impressive @ Juniors and he was playing hurt.

if you were willing to pay 10 or 10.5

why not pay 12.

I don't understand the line in the sand.

Good get for the Rangers.

Dreger saying under 12M... guess we'll see.

There's no real line for me, I just thought 12+ was pretty costly.

If it's a hair under that, I'm comfortable with it. Even if it's 12, I'll live. I'll grit my teeth a tiny bit... but I'll live.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov

The kids get to play with some talent, and there's a nice combination of grit, speed, youth and veteran presence.

Don Cherry's grinding his teeth already....hahaha

brings a much needed north/south physicality and speed game to that top 6. Really hope there's a way to keep him

left side...perhaps one of the kids will be that guy.

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brings a much needed north/south physicality and speed game to that top 6. Really hope there's a way to keep him

Agreed. If they were forced to deal him, they'd be an awfully finesse team at the top.

Bob McKenzie
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Panarin� s AAV is $11.642M, seven-year deal obviously.
12:26 PM - 1 Jul 2019

sign Tanev to 6 year deal.

Sara Orlesky
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10s10 seconds ago

Nathan Beaulieu, who the Jets did not qualify as an RFA, returns to the #NHLJets on a one-year, one million dollar deal.

with Gorton. He held firm and got Panarin at his number.

That is going to be an albatross in 3 years.

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That is going to be an albatross in 3 years.

An INSANE deal. Favorite to be the worst contract in the NHL at some point.

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That is going to be an albatross in 3 years.

Yep, and he's got groin issues.

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In comment 14488378 Jay on the Island said: Quote: That is going to be an albatross in 3 years. An INSANE deal. Favorite to be the worst contract in the NHL at some point.

Especially since they just spent a 1st Round pick on Spencer Knight. They would have been better off trying to get Lehner at a discounted price if the Islanders are going for Varlamov.

Most are overpaid for too many years. They usually end of being regrets.

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That is going to be an albatross in 3 years.

Damn....second highest paid goalie in the NHL!

Vancouver Canucks
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OFFICIAL: #Canucks sign defenceman Jordie Benn to a two-year contract.

AAV of $2M

Their performance is volatile, much like relief pitchers.

Too detrimental to cap flexibility.

Much better to pay two mid tier guys and ride hot hand.

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are going to bring Lee back and he's going to bend us over. I'm cringing at what the term and AAV will be.

$8M.

I hope the Habs sign Aho, Point, or someone in that category to an offer sheet, but if not I'd like to see them sign Lee.

and I have no issue with $8M.

Panarin signed. Ugh.

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are going to bring Lee back and he's going to bend us over. I'm cringing at what the term and AAV will be.

Again, it's the term not the compensation. Also the ntc.

Lee for 5 years is much different than 7 or 8.
Have to be able to move these contracts in the second half of the deal. No Andrew Ladd ntcs please

Those must be some awkward conversations between the Isles and Lee now

I feel a bit bad for CBJ. Made a lot of brilliant moves in recent years and it all sort of fell apart. They won't be awful, but I can't see them competing for a Cup.

John Shannon
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17m17 minutes ago

Chiasson is back in Edmonton. 2 Years. 2.15 million per.

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SiriusXM NHL Network Radio @SiriusXMNHL � 28s Per @JohnShannon , the #CBJ have signed Gustav Nyquist. #NHLFreeAgency2019

Same here. The Devils are reportedly active in the RFA market. I just hope they can land Point, Aho, or Laine. There is no way Rantanen is going anywhere and I am not giving up four 1st�s for Marner.

Greg Wyshynski
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24s24 seconds ago

Keith Kinkaid with the biggest lie of the Free Agent Frenzy, claiming that Montreal bagels rival those of the NY area. Complete, utter fake news.

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Greg Wyshynski ‏Verified account @wyshynski 24s24 seconds ago Keith Kinkaid with the biggest lie of the Free Agent Frenzy, claiming that Montreal bagels rival those of the NY area. Complete, utter fake news.

Hahaha

but I have a hard time believing the Canadiens cleared cap room for this.


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The Canadiens have agreed to terms on a one-year, two-way contract ($700,000 NHL and $300,000 AHL � guaranteed salary $400,000) with free agent forward Riley Barber.

#GoHabsGo

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Report: Bruins signing free-agent right wing Brett Ritchie to one-year deal

$1M

Anders Lee

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Dallas Stars sign D Andrej Sekera

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Anders Lee

Whered you see that?

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In comment 14488491 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Anders Lee Whered you see that?

Devils site sorry im waiting for an actual link.

Frank Seravalli
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43s44 seconds ago

#VGK announce deals for Tomas Nosek (one-year, $1 million) and Brandon Pirri (two years, $775k).

#NJDevils news:

The club has agreed to terms with right wing Wayne Simmonds on a one-year contract worth $5,000,000.

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#NJDevils news: The club has agreed to terms with right wing Wayne Simmonds on a one-year contract worth $5,000,000.

Devils having a great off-season.

Two of my favorites in Subban and Simmonds. Not to mention Hughes.

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#NJDevils news: The club has agreed to terms with right wing Wayne Simmonds on a one-year contract worth $5,000,000.

Hard to complain about that deal. He adds much needed grit to the offense. He will battle for the 2nd line RW spot.

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In comment 14488525 Stu11 said: Quote: #NJDevils news: The club has agreed to terms with right wing Wayne Simmonds on a one-year contract worth $5,000,000. Hard to complain about that deal. He adds much needed grit to the offense. He will battle for the 2nd line RW spot.

Yep and he can play the Boyle park your ass in front of the net spot on the PP with better scoring touch.

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All signs point towards the #Habs and #Isles battling for Anders Lee
2:01 PM - 1 Jul 2019

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Anton Stralman brings a wealth of experience to the @FlaPanthers defense! #NHLFreeAgency

At 5.5 AAV for Stralman.

Do a quick run-down:
Gustav Nyquist- CBJ- 4 years for 5.5 per
Wayne Simmonds- NJD- 1 for 5
S. Bobrovsky- FLA- 7 for 10 per
A. Panarin- NYR- 7 for 11.64 per
A Stralman- FLA- 3 for 5.5 per
Jordie Benn- VAN- 2 for 2 per
J Pavelski- DAL- 3 for 7 per
Timo Meier- SJS- 4 for 6 per (extension)
M Duchene- NSH- 7 for 8 per
Mats Zuccarello- Minny- 5 for 6 per
Tyler Myers- VAN- 5 for 6 per
Brandon Tanev- Pitt- 6 for 3.5 per
Core Perry- DAL- 1 for 1.5
Ron Hainsey- OTT- 1 for 3.5
Ryan Murray- CBJ- 2 for 4.6 per (re-sign)
Joonas Donskoi- COL- 4 for 3.9 per
Cam Talbot- CGY- 1 for 2.75
Val Filppula- DET- 2 for 3 per

Stephen Whyno
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9s9 seconds ago

Canadiens tender $42.27 million, 5-year offer sheet with $8.45 cap hit to Hurricanes' Sebastien Aho.

offer sheets Aho ... this should be a fun one

in a good way.

Seems like a no-brainer match for Carolina, no?

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Stephen Whyno ‏Verified account @SWhyno 9s9 seconds ago Canadiens tender $42.27 million, 5-year offer sheet with $8.45 cap hit to Hurricanes' Sebastien Aho.

No way that Carolina doesn't match that, but good on the Canadians. Break that taboo

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NHL ‏Verified account @NHL 2m2 minutes ago Anton Stralman brings a wealth of experience to the @FlaPanthers defense! #NHLFreeAgency

:(

on someone, using picks as bait

likely matches, but who knows.

two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd is an attractive package.

Twitter is saying that the Habs are paying him $22M of the money up-front in year 1. So, while it's an easy match from a cap hit POV by CAR, their cheap ownership will find it painful to match this. Would love to see a stud like Aho leave the division.

Maybe this helps the Islanders negotiations with Lee? MTL's cap space will be tied up to Aho, so that takes away NYI's biggest competition for Lee? Or, maybe MTL felt that Lee was using them to leverage NYI and moved on? We'll see...

Now we wait to see if the Canes match.

I wonder if the Islanders would offersheet Brayden Point. As long as it is less than about $10.5M AAV it only means 2 1's, 2nd, and 3rd.

Isnt doing anything. Nobody wants to play here except the captain and goalie they pushed away

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17s17 seconds ago

Waddell: Aho is our best player and we want to keep him longterm. If you go back in time I think every offer sheet but one was matched.

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I wonder if the Islanders would offersheet Brayden Point. As long as it is less than about $10.5M AAV it only means 2 1's, 2nd, and 3rd.

He's a really good player. I'd be all for that even if the cap hit and draft comp make it a huge gamble. I don't think the risk with going over 10.5 and getting into four firsts territory is worth it for anyone, even Marner.

Can someone wake up Lou?

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1m1 minute ago

FWIW, the early feeling around the hockey industry is that Carolina is certain to match Montreal's Sebastian Aho offer sheet. Which is the main reason we so rarely see them.

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Now we wait to see if the Canes match.

That amount seems easy enough to match. I would be shocked if they didn�t match. But yes, it is a good move for Habs...losing three draft picks won�t hurt too much because they seem to have plenty of bodies ready to come up. Having said that, I still feel their biggest need is a left Dman.

is the Canes have 7 days to match and like most teams (the handful of them that have had an offer sheet on one of their players) they'll take the full 7 days, which prevents MTL from doing other things until CAR matches, therefore MTL misses out on other FA/RFAs

Still worth it though, instead of paying Lee $8M I'd so much rather pay Aho $8M.

It's not the cap hit that's the issue with Aho - it's that he'll need to be paid out like 20M+ in bonuses within the first 12 months.

Kind of a sneaky good play by Bergevin, actually.

I think they have to pay him 11+ within 5 days after matching, too.

They're probably going to take their time since it'll leave MTL in salary limbo until it resolves.

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#signingseason

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I thought Rangers acquired Panarin?

but apparently Aho said he wants to play in MTL.


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Hearing that the Habs first discussed the offer sheet scenario involving Brayden Point but then shifted gears to Sebastian Aho after thinking they'd have a better chance to get the player. Both Point and Aho are represented by agent Gerry Johansson.

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In comment 14488706 arcarsenal said: Quote: Sportsnet Stats ‏ Verified account @SNstats Follow Follow @SNstats More As of 3:45pm ET, only 3 teams haven't made any kind of signing: Ducks Hurricanes Islanders 3:48 PM - 1 Jul 2019 I thought Rangers acquired Panarin?

Which is why they aren't on that list?

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In comment 14488706 arcarsenal said: Quote: Sportsnet Stats ‏ Verified account @SNstats Follow Follow @SNstats More As of 3:45pm ET, only 3 teams haven't made any kind of signing: Ducks Hurricanes Islanders 3:48 PM - 1 Jul 2019 I thought Rangers acquired Panarin?

They're not on this list, so... yeah.

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That's pretty funny.

I'm sure the term/AAV isn't going to be pretty, but Isles are bringing back a key cog at least.

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Hearing Islanders have agreed to terms with captain Anders Lee. He's coming back.

Trying to turn Hartford into a functional hockey team by adding vets who have played well in the A ....Danny O'Regan and Greg McKegg.

re-signing with the Islanders.

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re-signing with the Islanders.

Seems like a fair deal for both sides...almost TOO fair in this market.

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In comment 14488789 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: re-signing with the Islanders. Seems like a fair deal for both sides...almost TOO fair in this market.

Totally agree, and he had every right to milk us for every penny after getting all starry-eyed for Panarin (congrats btw).

is fair but the term is two years longer than I'd like. I'm still really bummed about Panarin, but I've watched Lee since he was in college so it's cool that he'll be an Islander for just about his entire career.

Isles still have a decent amount of cap room, and some very tradeable contracts to create another $8M or so of cap room (Leddy, Hickey), so I think Isles will try a trade to add another top 6 to the offense.

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is fair but the term is two years longer than I'd like. I'm still really bummed about Panarin, but I've watched Lee since he was in college so it's cool that he'll be an Islander for just about his entire career. Isles still have a decent amount of cap room, and some very tradeable contracts to create another $8M or so of cap room (Leddy, Hickey), so I think Isles will try a trade to add another top 6 to the offense.

Yup, The Lee deal leaves open 5.5 mil in Cap room that they wouldn't have had with Panarin, so I think they need to go after a secondary asset with that money now. Someone like Dzingel.

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to CHI, 1 year $5M

Now

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Robin Lehner, who turned down NYI�s offer of 2 years at 5 million per, is going to Chicago for 1 Year at the same amount.

#signingseason

$1M more than Bobrovsky.

I like that CHI is not so reliant on Crawford.

Good bet to bounce back and contend after a down year.

Valarmov to 4 yrs 🤦🏻‍♂️ Lou is def awesome! Blah blah sorokin

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Hurricanes re-sign goaltender Petr Mrazek: $6.25M over 2 years. That's a $3.125M cap hit.

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I don't get that decision by him at all.

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John Shannon ‏Verified account @JSportsnet 12s13 seconds ago Robin Lehner, who turned down NYI�s offer of 2 years at 5 million per, is going to Chicago for 1 Year at the same amount. #signingseason

Oof.

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to CHI, 1 year $5M

Wow, I am very high on Blackwood but I wish the Devils could have added him at that price.

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In comment 14488884 pjcas18 said: Quote: John Shannon ‏Verified account @JSportsnet 12s13 seconds ago Robin Lehner, who turned down NYI�s offer of 2 years at 5 million per, is going to Chicago for 1 Year at the same amount. #signingseason I don't get that decision by him at all.

Me either unless he felt this year being a backup/time share with Crawford can further establish his value for a long-term contract.

It doesn't make sense (if true). Never know what to believe with FA rumors.

Holy Fuck

I was fine with losing Lehner until the price tags came in.

Sorokin is a white whale.

Varlamov is close friends with Islanders goalie prospect Illya Sorokin. Sorokin's KHL deal expires after next season.

The Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired defenceman Tyson Barrie, forward Alex Kerfoot and a 2020 sixth-round draft pick from the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for forward Nazem Kadri, defenceman Calle Rosen and Toronto�s 2020 third-round pick.

Colorado is retaining 50 per cent of Barrie�s annual average salary cap of $5.5 million.

The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted?

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The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted?

They threw lehner aside while they tried to get the package of panarin/bob. Then they decided sorokins buddy was more important. Its a terrible look for the franchise considering nobody wants to be here except for Lehner and their own guys. Very frustrated. Im tired of the Trust Lou nonsense from my fellow delusional isles fans

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The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted?

Except Lehner doesn�t have ties to Sorokin and has not proven he can start 50-60 games and everyday in postseason.

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In comment 14488962 arcarsenal said: Quote: The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted? They threw lehner aside while they tried to get the package of panarin/bob. Then they decided sorokins buddy was more important. Its a terrible look for the franchise considering nobody wants to be here except for Lehner and their own guys. Very frustrated. Im tired of the Trust Lou nonsense from my fellow delusional isles fans

Why would you have any faith in Lou after that dismal season the Islanders had a year ago?

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something is bizarre there considering it was like 12 days he said he wanted to stay on whatever term deal they offered.

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In comment 14488962 arcarsenal said: Quote: The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted? They threw lehner aside while they tried to get the package of panarin/bob. Then they decided sorokins buddy was more important. Its a terrible look for the franchise considering nobody wants to be here except for Lehner and their own guys. Very frustrated. Im tired of the Trust Lou nonsense from my fellow delusional isles fans

They offered Lehner 2/10 and I believe he wanted 12 or 14 on a 2 year deal. Islanders then moved on to Varlamov. I don�t think they were ever giving Bob what he got from Florida.

but at some point we have to accept that Trotz and Korn can scout and get the most out of goalies. Their track records are pretty amazing.

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In comment 14488962 arcarsenal said: Quote: The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted? Except Lehner doesn�t have ties to Sorokin and has not proven he can start 50-60 games and everyday in postseason.

Lehner was a Vezina finalist last year and only started like 5-6 fewer games than Varlomov did, no?

Seems like a clear downgrade to me.

Was the tie to Sorokin really that important ?

Lehner is younger, too.

said the Devils are getting a lot of requests for center prospect Jesper Boqvist in trade talks. I'm looking forward to seeing him this season.

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In comment 14488965 KDubbs said: Quote: In comment 14488962 arcarsenal said: Quote: The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted? They threw lehner aside while they tried to get the package of panarin/bob. Then they decided sorokins buddy was more important. Its a terrible look for the franchise considering nobody wants to be here except for Lehner and their own guys. Very frustrated. Im tired of the Trust Lou nonsense from my fellow delusional isles fans Why would you have any faith in Lou after that dismal season the Islanders had a year ago?

Lets see....1)didnt upgrade the team at the deadline. 2)didnt upgrade the team this offseason so far while everyone else in the division has gotten better. 3)let the goalie who was a HUGE part of the success go. 4)gave Leo Komorov 4yr deal and now a POS gf beater varl a 4yr deal.

I trust the coach, i dont trust the gm that has done nothing since the salary cap came into play

think Lehner is just a product of the system, we have Greiss� near identucal save % last year, as well as their prior work, to think they might be right.

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In comment 14488966 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 14488962 arcarsenal said: Quote: The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted? Except Lehner doesn�t have ties to Sorokin and has not proven he can start 50-60 games and everyday in postseason. Lehner was a Vezina finalist last year and only started like 5-6 fewer games than Varlomov did, no? Seems like a clear downgrade to me. Was the tie to Sorokin really that important ? Lehner is younger, too.

Greiss�s numbers were not that different than Lehner�s. Varlamov has a better track record than Lehner had prior to last season. For the same money over the next 2 years I�d take Varlamov over Lehner. The question is years 3 & 4. Who knows what backups will cost then? Also, we could use him as our exposed goalie in Expansion Draft.

Fair. Just seems like whatever went down caught at least someone off guard and Lehner wasn't happy about it...

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New #Blackhawks goaltender Robin Lehner: "It not working out on Long Island had nothing to do with me."

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Fair. Just seems like whatever went down caught at least someone off guard and Lehner wasn't happy about it... Greg Wyshynski ‏ Verified account @wyshynski Follow Follow @wyshynski More Lehner: There's been rumors that I've walked away from deals. I've never walked away from anything. #Blackhawks Chris Kuc ‏ Verified account @ChrisKuc Follow Follow @ChrisKuc More New #Blackhawks goaltender Robin Lehner: "It not working out on Long Island had nothing to do with me."

He overplayed his hand after seeing what Bob got and like the MLB team that gets stuck having its AAA team in Las Vegas he got stuck with the only game in town that offered him any semblance of playing time on a competitive team

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think Lehner is just a product of the system, we have Greiss� near identucal save % last year, as well as their prior work, to think they might be right.

No question, but this is all the more reason to scratch your head over Varlamov.
When you have a goalie whisperer, and a system that suppresses high danger chances, you don't pay a 31 y/o domestic abuser 20 million for 4(!!) years.

Vegas made out like bandits on the Pacioretty contract

as a NYR fan, love the apparent talent Gorts has brought in but worried that NJD and others will be physically punishing. Rangers need some muscle up front and along rear guard

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as a NYR fan, love the apparent talent Gorts has brought in but worried that NJD and others will be physically punishing. Rangers need some muscle up front and along rear guard

The Devils are not a physically punishing team. Simmonds helps in that area but the Devils are built for speed nowadays. Shero loaded up on big physical defenseman in the draft (Okhotyuk, Misyul, Vukojevic, McCarthy) but all of them are a few years away.

The only defender with size is Severson but he isn't very physical. Subban should help there a bit but I would like to add another big, physical defenseman who excels in his own zone.

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In comment 14488973 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14488966 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 14488962 arcarsenal said: Quote: The Islanders gave Varlomov 4x5.... isn't that the exact contract Lehner wanted? Except Lehner doesn�t have ties to Sorokin and has not proven he can start 50-60 games and everyday in postseason. Lehner was a Vezina finalist last year and only started like 5-6 fewer games than Varlomov did, no? Seems like a clear downgrade to me. Was the tie to Sorokin really that important ? Lehner is younger, too. Greiss�s numbers were not that different than Lehner�s. Varlamov has a better track record than Lehner had prior to last season. For the same money over the next 2 years I�d take Varlamov over Lehner. The question is years 3 & 4. Who knows what backups will cost then? Also, we could use him as our exposed goalie in Expansion Draft.

Also read the isles coaches wanted to trade for Varlamov last year but couldn't get something done.

Kdubs, part of me is skeptical, but I dont think the goalie situation is a big deal. Losing out on panarin was imo.

Next year well have sorokin and Varlamov splitting time

Wondering if Kreider perhaps gets them center help.

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Jay sounds like the Devs might be in on Gusev from Vegas. They might take your idea of parking Clarkson's 5 mill+ here to lower the return.

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Jay sounds like the Devs might be in on Gusev from Vegas. They might take your idea of parking Clarkson's 5 mill+ here to lower the return.

I just saw that a second ago. That would be a very exciting gamble for the Devils. They could easily afford Clarkson's 1 year 5.25 cap hit which would significantly reduce the return.

I have been pushing for them to make a move like this but I wanted a guy like Tuch, Miller (Gone), or Haula(gone). Gusev would fill in nicely on the second line with Hughes and Bratt.

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In comment 14489161 Stu11 said: Quote: Jay sounds like the Devs might be in on Gusev from Vegas. They might take your idea of parking Clarkson's 5 mill+ here to lower the return. I just saw that a second ago. That would be a very exciting gamble for the Devils. They could easily afford Clarkson's 1 year 5.25 cap hit which would significantly reduce the return. I have been pushing for them to make a move like this but I wanted a guy like Tuch, Miller (Gone), or Haula(gone). Gusev would fill in nicely on the second line with Hughes and Bratt.

Yep had be an exciting piece to add in his prime. I've been all for using our cap space as a weapon in this type of scenario. Offer sheets to me are a waste of time. The team always matches. Maybe a guy like Laine you could work out a trade after the sheer us signed because Winnipeg can't afford everyone.

Aho's agents doesn't think it's a slam dunk.

From the Athletic, so behind a pay wall, and I will only share a blurb.

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...Aho�s agent doesn�t think the Hurricanes matching the Canadiens� offer is a slam dunk to the same extent as everyone else thinks it is. �I don�t think it is easy for Carolina,� Johannson said. �I can tell you for sure, it�s not easy for Carolina. Anybody who says this is easy is wrong. You can armchair quarterback any decision, but I can promise you this is an aggressive move � It�s a lot of money, and it�s a lot of front-loaded money. �Who knows? Carolina is going to do what they�re going to do, but trust me, this is not an easy decision for them.� A disclaimer here on the source. Johannson is not one of those agents who is constantly using the media to pull strings in public. In fact, he makes a concerted effort to avoid the spotlight. This is the context of his comments at this critical moment for his client....

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K'Andre at least a year away, and I have zero sense as to what his game is like, for all his size. Is he a gentle giant?

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K'Andre at least a year away, and I have zero sense as to what his game is like, for all his size. Is he a gentle giant?

People need to remember he's a converted forward. I don't think he shies away from physical play, but he's not Dustin Byfuglien. Reminds me a little of Zach Werenski with his offensive zone play (very smooth and quick to activate, great vision and shot), but needs to work on defensive side (as expected), he's in the right place to learn IMO. I wouldn't be shocked if he joined the Rangers after the WI season ends.

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Aho's agents doesn't think it's a slam dunk. From the Athletic, so behind a pay wall, and I will only share a blurb. Quote: ...Aho�s agent doesn�t think the Hurricanes matching the Canadiens� offer is a slam dunk to the same extent as everyone else thinks it is. �I don�t think it is easy for Carolina,� Johannson said. �I can tell you for sure, it�s not easy for Carolina. Anybody who says this is easy is wrong. You can armchair quarterback any decision, but I can promise you this is an aggressive move � It�s a lot of money, and it�s a lot of front-loaded money. �Who knows? Carolina is going to do what they�re going to do, but trust me, this is not an easy decision for them.� A disclaimer here on the source. Johannson is not one of those agents who is constantly using the media to pull strings in public. In fact, he makes a concerted effort to avoid the spotlight. This is the context of his comments at this critical moment for his client.... Link - ( New Window )

AAV is a no brainer to match, but owner is a bit of a cheapskate so the front loaded bonus money might be an issue. That being said, if they don't match then teams will do the same to other Carolina RFA's in the future.

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In comment 14489308 ColHowPepper said: Quote: K'Andre at least a year away, and I have zero sense as to what his game is like, for all his size. Is he a gentle giant? People need to remember he's a converted forward. I don't think he shies away from physical play, but he's not Dustin Byfuglien. Reminds me a little of Zach Werenski with his offensive zone play (very smooth and quick to activate, great vision and shot), but needs to work on defensive side (as expected), he's in the right place to learn IMO. I wouldn't be shocked if he joined the Rangers after the WI season ends.

And apparently he is still growing. Sheesh

I think his game is (on the D side) positioning (easier with his >avg skating) and stick work, but I imagine he will use the body when necessary.

He wouldn't work with Torts, though -- he has a really long way to go to block shots. :)

He's by far their most physical forward now.

I think Names gets moved. I think Smith gets traded as well along with some asset.

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Not if they keep Lemieux. Though he's more of a bottom 6 forward.

physical forward. I mean he's an all-around forward, but yeah

But Kakko is more of a Jagr type - he's big and strong, mucks well along the boards, and guys bounce off him, but doesn't really punish anyone with his own hits. That's the kind of physical I mean.

He said that the one thing the Rangers are lacking is a (and I'm paraphrasing) "North American presence". He said that the Rangers are loaded with Europeans and they need some North Americans to lead the locker room and be a calming influence. He brought up that the Blues had like 16 Canadians on the team.

It was a pretty odd statement and not something I really understand

I'd move Namestnikov if possible. Definitely would like to hang onto Kreider. His physicality and north/south skating style is an ingredient I think we'll need and don't have much else of on the roster right now. Kreider hasn't blossomed into the big time PF I thought he would; but he's still a 50+ point player with top flight speed and power - I'd like him to hang around.

Glad we got rid of Vesey.

Can't believe Greg just compared Kakko to Jagr when Kakko is going to be so much better. Pretty insulting.

But I think it's obvious that most NHL people are still suspicious of the grit/desire/whatever of a Euro-dominated lineup. If Kreider goes, the top 6 likely won't have a single Canadian or American.

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He said that the one thing the Rangers are lacking is a (and I'm paraphrasing) "North American presence". He said that the Rangers are loaded with Europeans and they need some North Americans to lead the locker room and be a calming influence. He brought up that the Blues had like 16 Canadians on the team. It was a pretty odd statement and not something I really understand

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In comment 14489480 Anakim said: Quote: He said that the one thing the Rangers are lacking is a (and I'm paraphrasing) "North American presence". He said that the Rangers are loaded with Europeans and they need some North Americans to lead the locker room and be a calming influence. He brought up that the Blues had like 16 Canadians on the team. It was a pretty odd statement and not something I really understand Here's the video - ( New Window )

And what the hell was that bit on Trouba? Trouba is a 3 or a 4? Uh, no. He's a first-pair guy thru and thru.

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Can't believe Greg just compared Kakko to Jagr when Kakko is going to be so much better. Pretty insulting.

Maybe on the ice, but Kakko will never reach Jagr legendary rock start status. Ok, not even likely on ice. In fact highly unlikely.

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It is really odd

Treading into sg/MMiller territory here

I want to see the Devils acquire are Ryan Dzingel and/or Justin Williams. Now if the Devils do pull off the trade for Gusev I would only target one of these two. If not both would be wise investments.

Dzingel is a fast 27 year old C/LW who is coming off a career high 26 goals and 30 assists. He would slot in nicely on the second line with Hughes and Bratt.

Williams was still effective last season with 23 goals and 30 assists. At 37 he will settle for a 1 year deal.

Gusev would be a huge get for the Devils especially if they take on Clarkson's contract. If that isn't enough to convince Hall to stay then it's time to explore trades. The Islanders might have interest after losing out on Panarin.

Williams back to CAR is likely or being explored at least.

Gusev put himself back on the map with a great Worlds on the heels of a dominant KHL season - with all those starts on Russia's World Champs team, Gusev was their best player, I think it might take more than just Clarkson's contract.

Clarkson has one year $5.25M.

Gusev is a 26 year old RFA.

If you pull that off, then great, probably needs $14M in cap space.

As he's the type of player that I thought the Rangers would be all over. Still relatively young and another play-maker who can slide into the LW spot (I thought I also read he Played some center).

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Williams back to CAR is likely or being explored at least. Gusev put himself back on the map with a great Worlds on the heels of a dominant KHL season - with all those starts on Russia's World Champs team, Gusev was their best player, I think it might take more than just Clarkson's contract. Clarkson has one year $5.25M. Gusev is a 26 year old RFA. If you pull that off, then great, probably needs $14M in cap space.

I wasn't suggesting that taking Clarkson's deal would be all that is needed to acquire him. I was just suggesting that it would help lower the return. They would still have to give up some assets to acquire him. I wonder how much Gusev is looking for.

it's a 3 year $10.5 million dollar deal.

Leafs extend C Alex Kerfoot to a 4 year $14 million dollar deal and Codi Ceci to a 1 year $4.5 million dollar contract.

The Leafs now have just $3.765 million in cap space. They will receive an additional $5.3 million once they put Nathan Horton on LTIR.

Those moves would give them just over $9 million in cap room to re-sign Marner. That likely won't be enough so they will need to make another move or two to free up cap space.

are reportedly $2 million apart in negotiations. If they make him available the Devils need to pounce. Adding Gusev to their roster would solidify NJ as a playoff contender.

Sportsnet's Joey Vendetta joins Greg Brady & Hugh Burrill to confirm the report from David Pagnotta that a team is "very seriously considering" presenting an offer sheet to Mitch Marner.

Joey Vendetta on FAN590 says he believes the offer sheet to Marner is worth 12.5M AAV. Claims ownership has given the okay, management now mulling if the Leafs will match.

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I'm guessing it's the Islanders

in cap room right now with Beauvilier and Dal Calle not factored in yet.

I would love to see the Av's do this. They have a ton of cap space and a young team. If they pull it off, they'll be a ridiculously fun team to watch and it gets Marner out of the Atlantic.

Marner, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, added Kadri for sand paper.

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In comment 14492461 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Sportsnet's Joey Vendetta joins Greg Brady & Hugh Burrill to confirm the report from David Pagnotta that a team is "very seriously considering" presenting an offer sheet to Mitch Marner. I'm guessing it's the Islanders

There are many who believe it is the Isles. As pj said they would have to make a move to fit him under the cap. Moving Leddy would free 6 million.

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in cap room right now with Beauvilier and Dal Calle not factored in yet. I would love to see the Av's do this. They have a ton of cap space and a young team. If they pull it off, they'll be a ridiculously fun team to watch and it gets Marner out of the Atlantic. Marner, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, added Kadri for sand paper.

They can put Ladd on LTIR (he blew out his acl) and that adds 5m+.

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In comment 14492479 pjcas18 said: Quote: in cap room right now with Beauvilier and Dal Calle not factored in yet. I would love to see the Av's do this. They have a ton of cap space and a young team. If they pull it off, they'll be a ridiculously fun team to watch and it gets Marner out of the Atlantic. Marner, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, added Kadri for sand paper. They can put Ladd on LTIR (he blew out his acl) and that adds 5m+.

Not so sure, I thought I read Ladd would be back in training camp and ready for the season.

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Lamoriello expects Ladd to be ready for the start of training camp in September.

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Can LTIR be used in the off-season? Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

He blew out his acl in March or April and they�ve called it 8-12 month recovery.

In comment 14492512 Eric on Li said:

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He blew out his acl in March or April and they�ve called it 8-12 month recovery.

It was from March, they said 4 - 5 months recovery.

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Andrew Ladd is expected to miss about five months after suffering a torn ACL. Ladd will have season-ending surgery this week. He is expected to be ready for training camp. Ladd was limited to 26 games in 2018-19 and he recorded 11 points.

The latest quotes I can see not behind a pay wall say he's "hoping" to be ready by the start of camp, but it's not guaranteed. Not sure a doctor commits to missing 10 NHL regular season games in October, but who knows.

that's why I said, not so sure.

was that he was skeptical on both Ladd & Clutterbuck (back surgery). Said Ladd won't be back before Christmas and Clutterbuck is a total unknown. Last year Ladd had back soreness in training camp and they held him out until February, so I highly doubt they will be in any rush to get him back off an actual major surgery.

In comment 14492517 Eric on Li said:

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was that he was skeptical on both Ladd & Clutterbuck (back surgery). Said Ladd won't be back before Christmas and Clutterbuck is a total unknown. Last year Ladd had back soreness in training camp and they held him out until February, so I highly doubt they will be in any rush to get him back off an actual major surgery.

Then maybe they do it. Hockey ACL's though are usually a 6-7 months injury - conservatively speaking, not a 12-month injury like football.

In comment 14492517 Eric on Li said:

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was that he was skeptical on both Ladd & Clutterbuck (back surgery). Said Ladd won't be back before Christmas and Clutterbuck is a total unknown. Last year Ladd had back soreness in training camp and they held him out until February, so I highly doubt they will be in any rush to get him back off an actual major surgery.

If we'd be able to ltir both clutter and Ladd, that would be huge

In comment 14492518 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14492517 Eric on Li said: Quote: was that he was skeptical on both Ladd & Clutterbuck (back surgery). Said Ladd won't be back before Christmas and Clutterbuck is a total unknown. Last year Ladd had back soreness in training camp and they held him out until February, so I highly doubt they will be in any rush to get him back off an actual major surgery. Then maybe they do it. Hockey ACL's though are usually a 6-7 months injury - conservatively speaking, not a 12-month injury like football.

Totally but at this stage Ladd injuries are almost like David Wright - there's always another one related to the previous one and it's never the short side of whatever the recovery window is.

With Clutterbuck apparently he had so many issues he needed multiple back surgeries and the timeline is unknown because he may be ready for training camp or he may never play again.

But bottomline, they supposedly offered Panarin 12.5m with Varlamov/Lee basically already done deals so they have some way of creating the room - it's finding someone worth that much willing to sign here that's been the problem.

In comment 14492524 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14492518 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14492517 Eric on Li said: Quote: was that he was skeptical on both Ladd & Clutterbuck (back surgery). Said Ladd won't be back before Christmas and Clutterbuck is a total unknown. Last year Ladd had back soreness in training camp and they held him out until February, so I highly doubt they will be in any rush to get him back off an actual major surgery. Then maybe they do it. Hockey ACL's though are usually a 6-7 months injury - conservatively speaking, not a 12-month injury like football. Totally but at this stage Ladd injuries are almost like David Wright - there's always another one related to the previous one and it's never the short side of whatever the recovery window is. With Clutterbuck apparently he had so many issues he needed multiple back surgeries and the timeline is unknown because he may be ready for training camp or he may never play again. But bottomline, they supposedly offered Panarin 12.5m with Varlamov/Lee basically already done deals so they have some way of creating the room - it's finding someone worth that much willing to sign here that's been the problem.

I thought the Lee deal was after Panarin signed with the Rangers.

You think the Islanders were prepared to sign Panarin and bring back Lee?

not saying you're wrong, but based on the timing it seemed like Lee was done after Panain signed with NYR and MTL offer sheeted Aho (bowing out on Lee).

In comment 14492533 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14492524 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 14492518 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14492517 Eric on Li said: Quote: was that he was skeptical on both Ladd & Clutterbuck (back surgery). Said Ladd won't be back before Christmas and Clutterbuck is a total unknown. Last year Ladd had back soreness in training camp and they held him out until February, so I highly doubt they will be in any rush to get him back off an actual major surgery. Then maybe they do it. Hockey ACL's though are usually a 6-7 months injury - conservatively speaking, not a 12-month injury like football. Totally but at this stage Ladd injuries are almost like David Wright - there's always another one related to the previous one and it's never the short side of whatever the recovery window is. With Clutterbuck apparently he had so many issues he needed multiple back surgeries and the timeline is unknown because he may be ready for training camp or he may never play again. But bottomline, they supposedly offered Panarin 12.5m with Varlamov/Lee basically already done deals so they have some way of creating the room - it's finding someone worth that much willing to sign here that's been the problem. I thought the Lee deal was after Panarin signed with the Rangers. You think the Islanders were prepared to sign Panarin and bring back Lee? not saying you're wrong, but based on the timing it seemed like Lee was done after Panain signed with NYR and MTL offer sheeted Aho (bowing out on Lee).

Lee's agent said he was never leaving the island and that they had a deal relatively in place and let Lou focus on other things first which we assume was panarin

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NEIL SHEEHY ‏@ICEHockeyAgent Follow Follow @ICEHockeyAgent Anders Lee never left the NYIslanders. We did not �negotiate� with teams as Anders wanted to stay with the @NYIslanders. There was much interest and his $7M AAV allows Lou Lamoriello to pursue players who can help the Islanders win. Anders was staying with-or-without Panarin.

Staple has speculated that if they had gotten Panarin Lee would have taken 1 less year but when Panarin didn't sign they have him the 7th year. Supposedly Lou was on the phone with Sheehy giving him updates on Panarin in real time.

a player or FO guy/coach says AFTER a signing with a grain of salt. They always sign with their first choice and the player was always a high priority target of the team.

I don't see how the numbers work with Panarin and Lee.

but whatever. Doesn't matter.

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a player or FO guy/coach says AFTER a signing with a grain of salt. They always sign with their first choice and the player was always a high priority target of the team. I don't see how the numbers work with Panarin and Lee. but whatever. Doesn't matter.

Most likely they have trade options on the table for Leddy for future picks. They don't really need him and he's a good value contract for someone who needs a solid D. They probably don't want to pull the trigger on dealing him for picks until they know they have a forward, because if they don't get a F from FA then they may need to try to leverage Leddy in a trade for a lesser F (like Zucker).

to make a deal with Vegas for Gusev.

In comment 14493106 Jay on the Island said:

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to make a deal with Vegas for Gusev.

Will be interesting to see what happens with Vegas whenever the trade market starts up again. Even after they deal Gusev I think they'll need to move salary and Eakin, Marchessault, and Reilly Smith seem to be the most likely candidates.

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In comment 14493106 Jay on the Island said: Quote: to make a deal with Vegas for Gusev. Will be interesting to see what happens with Vegas whenever the trade market starts up again. Even after they deal Gusev I think they'll need to move salary and Eakin, Marchessault, and Reilly Smith seem to be the most likely candidates.

I would take any as part of the deal if the Knights want to move them. I'm not crazy about Eakin but I would be very happy to land either Smith or Marchessault also.

The Clarkson deal makes plenty of sense for NJ also as it expires in a year and it will lower the Gusev return while allowing Vegas to keep those three.

They have signed Marcus Johansson to a two-year, $9MM contract.

we could even use Eakin to replace our 3C, so I'd love to send Vegas a good package for him + 1 of their wingers. Marchessault would be perfect but even with all their salary issues I have a hard time seeing them deal him. I'd almost definitely give up next year's 1st plus a solid prospect for that combo though - and with them already almost $3m over the cap, with 3 more roster spots to fill, it seems that's the type of move they will need to make in addition to dealing Gusev.

and Avalanche are also very interested in Gusev.

In comment 14493154 Jay on the Island said:

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and Avalanche are also very interested in Gusev.

it sounds like so many teams are interested it will end up being a somewhat risky deal. Probably still a good upside play but I'd personally rather deal for a known quantity.

In comment 14493153 Eric on Li said:

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we could even use Eakin to replace our 3C, so I'd love to send Vegas a good package for him + 1 of their wingers. Marchessault would be perfect but even with all their salary issues I have a hard time seeing them deal him. I'd almost definitely give up next year's 1st plus a solid prospect for that combo though - and with them already almost $3m over the cap, with 3 more roster spots to fill, it seems that's the type of move they will need to make in addition to dealing Gusev.

I agree I don't think Vegas wants to move Marchessault. I think they would most likely move Eakin, who has just 1 year left on his deal, or Smith who has 3 years and an AAV of $5 million. They could also force a team to take on Reaves which would free up $2.775 million in cap room. Eakin is an excellent 3rd line center.

In comment 14493157 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14493154 Jay on the Island said: Quote: and Avalanche are also very interested in Gusev. it sounds like so many teams are interested it will end up being a somewhat risky deal. Probably still a good upside play but I'd personally rather deal for a known quantity.

It certainly is especially with at his size. With that said I want the Devils to take that chance as it is just another move that could fill a big hole now while also helping to convince Hall to re-sign.

In comment 14493159 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14493153 Eric on Li said: Quote: we could even use Eakin to replace our 3C, so I'd love to send Vegas a good package for him + 1 of their wingers. Marchessault would be perfect but even with all their salary issues I have a hard time seeing them deal him. I'd almost definitely give up next year's 1st plus a solid prospect for that combo though - and with them already almost $3m over the cap, with 3 more roster spots to fill, it seems that's the type of move they will need to make in addition to dealing Gusev. I agree I don't think Vegas wants to move Marchessault. I think they would most likely move Eakin, who has just 1 year left on his deal, or Smith who has 3 years and an AAV of $5 million. They could also force a team to take on Reaves which would free up $2.775 million in cap room. Eakin is an excellent 3rd line center.

Eakin + Reilly Smith would be a great fit for a Trotz team. I'm still holding out hope Lou has an offer sheet for Marner up his sleeve, but I wouldn't be disappointed at all if he pivoted to something like Eakin/Smith. Ehlers is another guy Staple has mentioned as a possibility for something built around Leddy + picks/prospects, I'd be on board with that. Just don't want to see another huge chunk of cap room go to waste again like last year.

In comment 14493163 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14493159 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 14493153 Eric on Li said: Quote: we could even use Eakin to replace our 3C, so I'd love to send Vegas a good package for him + 1 of their wingers. Marchessault would be perfect but even with all their salary issues I have a hard time seeing them deal him. I'd almost definitely give up next year's 1st plus a solid prospect for that combo though - and with them already almost $3m over the cap, with 3 more roster spots to fill, it seems that's the type of move they will need to make in addition to dealing Gusev. I agree I don't think Vegas wants to move Marchessault. I think they would most likely move Eakin, who has just 1 year left on his deal, or Smith who has 3 years and an AAV of $5 million. They could also force a team to take on Reaves which would free up $2.775 million in cap room. Eakin is an excellent 3rd line center. Eakin + Reilly Smith would be a great fit for a Trotz team. I'm still holding out hope Lou has an offer sheet for Marner up his sleeve, but I wouldn't be disappointed at all if he pivoted to something like Eakin/Smith. Ehlers is another guy Staple has mentioned as a possibility for something built around Leddy + picks/prospects, I'd be on board with that. Just don't want to see another huge chunk of cap room go to waste again like last year.

Acquiring those two would give the Islanders a very deep team. I still can't believe the Islanders landed both Dobson and Wilde in last years draft. Wilde probably needs another year of development but Dobson should be ready to step into the NHL right now if they deal Leddy.

In comment 14493196 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14493163 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 14493159 Jay on the Island said: Quote: In comment 14493153 Eric on Li said: Quote: we could even use Eakin to replace our 3C, so I'd love to send Vegas a good package for him + 1 of their wingers. Marchessault would be perfect but even with all their salary issues I have a hard time seeing them deal him. I'd almost definitely give up next year's 1st plus a solid prospect for that combo though - and with them already almost $3m over the cap, with 3 more roster spots to fill, it seems that's the type of move they will need to make in addition to dealing Gusev. I agree I don't think Vegas wants to move Marchessault. I think they would most likely move Eakin, who has just 1 year left on his deal, or Smith who has 3 years and an AAV of $5 million. They could also force a team to take on Reaves which would free up $2.775 million in cap room. Eakin is an excellent 3rd line center. Eakin + Reilly Smith would be a great fit for a Trotz team. I'm still holding out hope Lou has an offer sheet for Marner up his sleeve, but I wouldn't be disappointed at all if he pivoted to something like Eakin/Smith. Ehlers is another guy Staple has mentioned as a possibility for something built around Leddy + picks/prospects, I'd be on board with that. Just don't want to see another huge chunk of cap room go to waste again like last year. Acquiring those two would give the Islanders a very deep team. I still can't believe the Islanders landed both Dobson and Wilde in last years draft. Wilde probably needs another year of development but Dobson should be ready to step into the NHL right now if they deal Leddy.

Wahlstrom is the guy who I was the most surprised about. Still can't believe the Rangers passed on Wahlstrom. I would have taken Wahlstrom ahead of Quinn Hughes and Boqvist.

But the way Kravstov seems to be developing it will be a non-factor, but I thought the media/local pundits will be watching those two for a while.

Wahlstrom, Wilde and Dobson is a home run trio IMO.

fans watched the Memorial Cup, but Dobson was a beast for the champion Rouyn-Noranda

need to make room for him in the NHL (Lou even admitted there's nothing left for him to do in junior). The only minor issue is that he's a RD and Leddy is a LD, but hopefully they can just move someone to their off side. Pulock and Mayfield have been studs so keeping them at RD would be ideal so the only other option is Boychuk (who they should probably be "keeping fresh"/minimizing as much as possible anyways).

But that's what's frustrating about Lou doing nothing again (so far). It has literally been a calendar year since his last trade (only GM in the NHL who hasn't made a trade in that period of time). He's got a good farm system, all his future picks, tradable assets, and cap room. So he's holding a good hand and has yet to play a hand.

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fans watched the Memorial Cup, but Dobson was a beast for the champion Rouyn-Noranda

I didn't watch a ton (mostly just the highlight plays) but I saw he was playing like 30 minutes per game. He's been so good even "pay your dues" Lou already said he's got nothing left in juniors.

I've never loved Wahlstrom - seems like a good scoring winger which isn't a bad thing - but doesn't seem dynamic enough to ever be a major impact player. I'd have no issue trading him in the right deal whereas I wouldn't move Dobson under almost any circumstance.

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In comment 14493201 pjcas18 said: Quote: fans watched the Memorial Cup, but Dobson was a beast for the champion Rouyn-Noranda I didn't watch a ton (mostly just the highlight plays) but I saw he was playing like 30 minutes per game. He's been so good even "pay your dues" Lou already said he's got nothing left in juniors. I've never loved Wahlstrom - seems like a good scoring winger which isn't a bad thing - but doesn't seem dynamic enough to ever be a major impact player. I'd have no issue trading him in the right deal whereas I wouldn't move Dobson under almost any circumstance.

I'd take Wahlstrom in a heartbeat. There is no hole in his game. He doesn't have the edge work or transition of Hughes, the shot of Matthews or Caufield, but he's like a Bergeron om the ice and his hockey IQ + skill combo is off the charts. I loved watching him play.

Canadiens and Islanders have been frequent trade partners, I'd love to see them trade again if it included Wahlstrom. Maybe Trotz can "fix" Drouin.

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In comment 14493201 pjcas18 said: Quote: fans watched the Memorial Cup, but Dobson was a beast for the champion Rouyn-Noranda I didn't watch a ton (mostly just the highlight plays) but I saw he was playing like 30 minutes per game. He's been so good even "pay your dues" Lou already said he's got nothing left in juniors. I've never loved Wahlstrom - seems like a good scoring winger which isn't a bad thing - but doesn't seem dynamic enough to ever be a major impact player. I'd have no issue trading him in the right deal whereas I wouldn't move Dobson under almost any circumstance.

I would jump at the chance to add Wahlstrom. I think he is the type that would thrive if you put him next to a player like Hughes who has has played with in the past.

I really wanted the Devils to draft Wilde or K'Andre Miller in the first round but I didn't expect Ty Smith to fall past the Islanders. I also didn't expect Dobson or Wahlstrom to fall to the Islanders though.

I was disappointed NJ didn't trade up for Wilde when he fell out of the 1st round.

But he does happen to be exactly what they need next to Barzal. Drouin I�m a little suspect on his fit with Trotz.

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But he does happen to be exactly what they need next to Barzal. Drouin I�m a little suspect on his fit with Trotz.

I don't think that Wahlstrom will be an elite superstar but I think that he could develop into a consistent 25+ goal scorer with 55-65 points. If you put him with a stud center then he could post a few 30+ goal seasons.

In comment 14493226 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 14493224 Eric on Li said: Quote: But he does happen to be exactly what they need next to Barzal. Drouin I�m a little suspect on his fit with Trotz. I don't think that Wahlstrom will be an elite superstar but I think that he could develop into a consistent 25+ goal scorer with 55-65 points. If you put him with a stud center then he could post a few 30+ goal seasons.

Yea that sounds reasonable - and to me a player like that is dealable for the higher level guys that generally hit the trade market (like Stone at deadline or ROR last summer). I would not deal Dobson in that type of deal though.

Big right handed defenseman who are good in the offensive zone are pretty rare.

but I think Wahlstrom is a solid top 6 forward you can pencil in for 50+ points, with upside depending on who he is playing along side and if he's on specials.

People look at freshman and their NCAA stats and form opinions (not saying anyone here did but people do). I remember the same thing with Tkachuk. "only" 31 points in 40 games at BU where people expected him to dominate.

He was 2nd in rookie points (to Pettersson) and 2nd in rookie goals - in the NHL. 2nd among rookies in PIMs.

i tend to agree with the 50 point guess, 25-30 goals, similar number of assists in a good year. That's definitely still a useful player, I just don't think he's going to be another Barzal (who was a similar surprise to fall on draft day). But I could be wrong, his goal scoring upside could be higher than i'm giving him credit for and if he does end up next to Barzal that's a very big head start in the right direction. There is definitely some validity to the Tkachuk/NCAA comp.

just talking about Sabres weak D last night with someone. This will help and Nylander is replaceable. But will fit in better with the 'hawks.


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Ristolainen is a top 4 D.


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Gotta be more trades

What percent of fans want trades?

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What percent of fans want trades?

We know that the Rangers need to trade some salary before the season, Davisian. I'd make a lousy GM, because I get impatient; to make good trades you need to be pretty chill and wait for your best option(s).