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Trying to stop Jones and Saquon in the Red Zone will be difficult for any Defense to do.

I've loved Eli since he threw the pass to Toomer against Denver. That being said the best thing for the Giants long term is if Jones is so good as a rookie he can beat out a 2 time Superbowl MVP.

June 2019 plus "？" = Shit stirrer, dupe and/or troll.

Eli is the team's starting QB now and will be unless something changes drastically. No point in going there in June.

I�d just start Jones and get it over with. Have Eli spend the year being Yoda to Jones�s Luke. By mosts accounts this isn�t the year we expect to compete for a championship. What good would trotting Eli our for another year of �meh� football. Atleast with Jones we can say we�re working towards something.

Take a trip to the beach pal or go bird watching on the North Shore...

In comment 14487626 kes722 said:

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I've loved Eli since he threw the pass to Toomer against Denver. That being said the best thing for the Giants long term is if Jones is so good as a rookie he can beat out a 2 time Superbowl MVP.

Wasn't that Kent Graham (pass to Toomer against Denver)... or am I thinking of another game?

To ask this question? Dupe? I'm not sure. But definitely a troll.

In comment 14487658 short lease said:

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In comment 14487626 kes722 said: Quote: I've loved Eli since he threw the pass to Toomer against Denver. That being said the best thing for the Giants long term is if Jones is so good as a rookie he can beat out a 2 time Superbowl MVP. Wasn't that Kent Graham (pass to Toomer against Denver)... or am I thinking of another game?

I remember the Giants beating 13-0 Broncos with Kent Graham at QB. 1997? Not sure about Eli-->Toomer over Denver. Could be though.

what the & #65311 is? Some HTML symbol?

Jones will sit until deemed ready to take over for good. Anything else is media fodder

In comment 14487738 mrvax said:

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what the & #65311 is? Some HTML symbol?

I noticed this is what shows up when you attempt to put in an emoji during an OP. the discussion boxes will allow it. Not a biggie. Not as fucking intrusive as having to scroll past those stupid ads on the left side on my iPad to get to the posts.

Amateurish.

In comment 14487747 Big Blue '56 said:

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Jones will sit until deemed ready to take over for good. Anything else is media fodder

I agree. The plan was to play Eli and groom a QB even before Jones was drafted. I doubt that has changed. They want to see Eli off an a high note.

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In comment 14487750 Big Blue '56 said:

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Ok, so numbers will ONLY appear kn the OP

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And that Eli is the starting quarterback.

Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun.

In comment 14487766 joeinpa said:

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And that Eli is the starting quarterback. Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun.

Understood, except Eli�s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli�s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo

before Jones starts. I'm gonna take the over on this one.

when Shurmer feels he gives them a better chance at success. I suspect some will be surprised at how soon he feels that way.

Jones is simply a better fit for Shurmer's system.

The talk is PR to appease a fan base that threw a temper tantrum the last time Eli was on the bench. We had grown men crying over dinner. It was ugly.

These people are delicate, you have to ease them into it.

In comment 14487798 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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when Shurmer feels he gives them a better chance at success. I suspect some will be surprised at how soon he feels that way. Jones is simply a better fit for Shurmer's system. The talk is PR to appease a fan base that threw a temper tantrum the last time Eli was on the bench. We had grown men crying over dinner. It was ugly. These people are delicate, you have to ease them into it.

In fairness to many of us who were pissed, it was more about the way Eli was benched (or his benching of himself) and the insertion of Geno Smith rather than Webb that rankled, not the benching per se.

In comment 14487626 kes722 said:

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I've loved Eli since he threw the pass to Toomer against Denver. That being said the best thing for the Giants long term is if Jones is so good as a rookie he can beat out a 2 time Superbowl MVP.

You'd think if a memory is etched deep enough to love a player, it should probably be 100% certain that it is the actual guy doing it.

Or at least be on the fucking team in some capacity at the time it happened.

I mean, I've hated Victor Cruz ever since he failed to recover the onsides kick against Minny in the playoffs.....

In comment 14487820 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 14487626 kes722 said: Quote: I've loved Eli since he threw the pass to Toomer against Denver. That being said the best thing for the Giants long term is if Jones is so good as a rookie he can beat out a 2 time Superbowl MVP. You'd think if a memory is etched deep enough to love a player, it should probably be 100% certain that it is the actual guy doing it. Or at least be on the fucking team in some capacity at the time it happened. I mean, I've hated Victor Cruz ever since he failed to recover the onsides kick against Minny in the playoffs.....

He means the 2005 Broncos game

epic 2-yard TD pass??

the best play in that game was earlier in that drive when Manning avoided the rush, rolled out and found Plax for a first down.

That's the Manning we've missed. He's always been fairly stationary, but finding the open guy after buying a few extra seconds was a key backdrop to many of his best plays.

In comment 14487774 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14487766 joeinpa said: Quote: And that Eli is the starting quarterback. Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun. Understood, except Eli�s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli�s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo

You re most likely correct

to sooth the pain of benching Eli would be akin to fighting the last war instead of the one at hand.


The shock and fan outrage of sitting Eli has already happened. That ship already sailed and no need to fight that battle again.

If anything, the campaign would be to sooth the fans who were upset Jones was chosen. The PR has certainly been amped up to allay fears about his arm strength.

Maybe the silent majority feels otherwise, but my take on the pulse of fan site BBI is that folks are more than ready to put Eli in the rear view mirror. the furor would be more about NOT sitting him.

...not immediately, likely not this season, barring injury.

There's no point to it. Smart money ALWAYS says you DON'T throw rookie QB's in the deep end of the pool. You ease them in working 2nd team, some 4th quarter snaps in blowouts. You get them to thoroughly learn the system so when they DO finally play, they don't wind up looking like Eli did in 2004.

FWIW, we dodged bullets for years not having a quality backup behind E. Each year he got older, less mobile, more prone to injury - nice to finally have a good spare tire in the trunk!

In comment 14487624 No Where Man said:

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Trying to stop Jones and Saquon in the Red Zone will be difficult for any Defense to do.

Eli can run the RPO, you're thinking of the zone read

" so when they DO finally play, they don't wind up looking like Eli did in 2004."

seems to me Eli turned out pretty good. Maybe getting game experience is a good thing.

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Graham to break-up Denver's undefeated season. Manning in 2005 for his first 4th quarter comeback (if you don't count the hand-off to Tiki in 2004).

Giving Jones a lot of playing time will further that goal.

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Giving Jones a lot of playing time will further that goal.

Really. You mean they might go 5-11 or worse yet, 3-13!

Ok then.

already posted. Check it out, every possible scenario has been discussed already.

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Giving Jones a lot of playing time will further that goal.

They've been losing at an elite level for quite some time as it is.

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Giving Jones a lot of playing time will further that goal.

The sooner he loses the sooner he will start winning...

Shurmur's game plan with all these new faces on offense. He seemed pretty comfortable in the second half of the season last year. But this will be another change this season again.

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epic 2-yard TD pass??

Well, it WAS a big comeback win if not a particularly overwhelming play in and of itself.

Just thought it was obvious that the guy wasn't referring to the 1998 game.

with some of the moronic posts I've seen here, I can never be sure.

When "fans" have remembered a 22-play drive with almost all runs by OJ Anderson in a SB taking up a quarter, anything is possible.

How many rookie QBs make an immediate impact? Eli still has enough game.

to criticize so quickly when you don�t even have the right reference.

But that�s what you do.

In comment 14488827 5BowlsSoon said:

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How many rookie QBs make an immediate impact? Eli still has enough game.

We don�t Jones to make an immediate impact. We need him to begin to get comfortable with his new job.

Then we can hope he makes an impact...

In comment 14487774 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14487766 joeinpa said: Quote: And that Eli is the starting quarterback. Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun. Understood, except Eli�s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli�s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo

I disagree with this presented as an absolute. Practice and preseason will matter. Shurmur is on the hot seat for his head coaching life. Another shit season and he will never get another HC position. IF Shurmur feels Jones will give him a better chance to win, he will start him day 1. Unless you are suggesting there is mandate from ownership that Eli must play.

In comment 14489046 Jimmy Googs said:

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to criticize so quickly when you don�t even have the right reference. But that�s what you do.

LOL

The two line pithy response that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. A Googs mainstay.

All part of being a long-time troll who actually does the same exact shit he calls others out for. Useless fucking poster.

In comment 14489408 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 14487774 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 14487766 joeinpa said: Quote: And that Eli is the starting quarterback. Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun. Understood, except Eli�s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli�s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo I disagree with this presented as an absolute. Practice and preseason will matter. Shurmur is on the hot seat for his head coaching life. Another shit season and he will never get another HC position. IF Shurmur feels Jones will give him a better chance to win, he will start him day 1. Unless you are suggesting there is mandate from ownership that Eli must play.

I don�t often disagree with you, but I do here. Eli is starting until and if he shits the bed imo..With Jones here, I think Shurmur buys more time here even with a lousy season. The hierarchy knows that with DJ here it�s a process. Shurmur is highly qualified to develop this guy whenever that comes to pass, even if he�s not, at this point, the perfect HC to lead the team moving forward.

Shurmur is in a sticky situation. The organization has been shitty for so long, progress needs to be shown. It's going to be a fine line in how the QB situation is handled. The org wants wins. The press wants to sell clicks, and will do its best to create controversy. The fans are fickle and will turn on the team if S rides Eli too long, or inserts Jones too early, and either produces losses. It's a dangerous minefield S has to walk through, on top of all the other HC decisions to make. Riding Eli as long as he doesn't shit the bed could easily go either way.

In comment 14489481 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14489408 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: In comment 14487774 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 14487766 joeinpa said: Quote: And that Eli is the starting quarterback. Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun. Understood, except Eli�s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli�s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo I disagree with this presented as an absolute. Practice and preseason will matter. Shurmur is on the hot seat for his head coaching life. Another shit season and he will never get another HC position. IF Shurmur feels Jones will give him a better chance to win, he will start him day 1. Unless you are suggesting there is mandate from ownership that Eli must play. I don�t often disagree with you, but I do here. Eli is starting until and if he shits the bed imo..With Jones here, I think Shurmur buys more time here even with a lousy season. The hierarchy knows that with DJ here it�s a process. Shurmur is highly qualified to develop this guy whenever that comes to pass, even if he�s not, at this point, the perfect HC to lead the team moving forward.

Those are very good points, you might be correct. If I were Shurmur and I thought Jones would run my offense better than Eli and be more productive in it I would start him right away. I think Jones needs to show progress in camp and games. I appreciate your response, you are one of the good ones.

In comment 14489462 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 14489046 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: to criticize so quickly when you don�t even have the right reference. But that�s what you do. LOL The two line pithy response that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. A Googs mainstay. All part of being a long-time troll who actually does the same exact shit he calls others out for. Useless fucking poster.

The funnier LOL is you don't even see yourself as the very troll you remark with a sheer purpose of berating others.

Its become so commonplace for you that you even miss the point that a poster makes from time to time, like above, in the incredible hurry to just be condescending.

you're a human lol...

In comment 14489462 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 14489046 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: to criticize so quickly when you don�t even have the right reference. But that�s what you do. LOL The two line pithy response that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. A Googs mainstay. All part of being a long-time troll who actually does the same exact shit he calls others out for. Useless fucking poster.

OMG, talk about the pot calling the kettle black... From the king of 2 line caustic posts.

Sorry, I got that wrong, at least Goog's 2 lines are pithy. Your's lack even that and often miss the mark revealing your incredible arrogance and incredible lack of anything worthwhile to say at the same time. Quite a feat actually.

The optics seem simple - the Giants fanbase is hungry for a winning season sooner than later, and that might result in pressure on Shurmur to start producing Ws.

I think barring an unexpected event - Eli falling off a cliff or getting hurt, or the team unraveling in McAdoo fashion - that Shurmur has been told 2019 is developmental and he doesn't have to produce wins, just steady progress across the roster. I think the Giants management sees this as Eli's farewell season, and barring one of the situations above will let him ride it out. We'll see quotes like 'he's not ready' (paraphrasing coachspeak we'll inevitably hear) about Jones.

With an improved OL Eli should keep the wheels from coming totally off, and the Giants will likely have another losing season that isn't a total catastrophe, maybe in the 6-8 wins category.

I agree that the season begins with Eli as starter unless he stinks up the joint, but assuming a so-so W-L record, as the season goes on he has to do more than not suck. Management will give him the benefit of the doubt, but it would be stupid to be so sentimental as to let him start at the expense of getting Jones playing time. It would be much kinder to Eli to pull him rather than let him face the wrath of a growing fan base who want to see the new toy. Not out of the question that he could hear crass boos in such a scenario.

I think that IF the OL improves, Eli will play well, but if he only doesn't suck, the season ends with him on the bench, or IR.

In comment 14489700 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14489462 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: In comment 14489046 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: to criticize so quickly when you don�t even have the right reference. But that�s what you do. LOL The two line pithy response that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. A Googs mainstay. All part of being a long-time troll who actually does the same exact shit he calls others out for. Useless fucking poster. The funnier LOL is you don't even see yourself as the very troll you remark with a sheer purpose of berating others. Its become so commonplace for you that you even miss the point that a poster makes from time to time, like above, in the incredible hurry to just be condescending. you're a human lol...

FMIC,

You should listen to this guy.

He�s never been wrong about anything.

In comment 14490429 dep026 said:

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In comment 14489700 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 14489462 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: In comment 14489046 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: to criticize so quickly when you don�t even have the right reference. But that�s what you do. LOL The two line pithy response that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. A Googs mainstay. All part of being a long-time troll who actually does the same exact shit he calls others out for. Useless fucking poster. The funnier LOL is you don't even see yourself as the very troll you remark with a sheer purpose of berating others. Its become so commonplace for you that you even miss the point that a poster makes from time to time, like above, in the incredible hurry to just be condescending. you're a human lol... FMIC, You should listen to this guy. He�s never been wrong about anything.

dep, I know you�ve been dealing with some physical issues, how are you doing?

if/when the Giants are out of the playoff race.

I am doing so much better. Not bed ridden anymore. Eating 3 meals a day. Still itch a lot.... but it�s night and day from what I was going through just from 2-3 weeks ago.

Thanks for asking!

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I am doing so much better. Not bed ridden anymore. Eating 3 meals a day. Still itch a lot.... but it�s night and day from what I was going through just from 2-3 weeks ago. Thanks for asking!

👍👍🏿👏🏼👏🏼

In comment 14490429 dep026 said:

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you're a human lol... FMIC, You should listen to this guy. He�s never been wrong about anything.

Easy does it. You've not shown well when we debate your points...

In comment 14490479 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 14490429 dep026 said: Quote: you're a human lol... FMIC, You should listen to this guy. He�s never been wrong about anything. Easy does it. You've not shown well when we debate your points...

Lol. Like I said... he�s never wrong. Just ask him.

...in all likelihood. THIS is the offense Eli thrived in, excellent running game, A+ play-action, and a diverse passing offense, including a KILLER screen passing attack.

I actually think Eli's gonna make this board shut up and forget the rookie very quickly.

That presumes the O-line is what we're hoping for.

In comment 14490507 dep026 said:

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In comment 14490479 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: In comment 14490429 dep026 said: Quote: you're a human lol... FMIC, You should listen to this guy. He�s never been wrong about anything. Easy does it. You've not shown well when we debate your points... Lol. Like I said... he�s never wrong. Just ask him.

Yes LOL.

Chucklehead...

Me likey.

Usually the last resort for you when you continually get embarrassed.

Do u think?

before you apologize to me for the third or fourth time this past season or so...

Apologizing after I embarrassed you. I don�t want you go home crying. I like your confidence. And even interacting with you. My confidence and self esteem soar knowing I�m not as sad as you :)

and let me know what u find.

No worries, as I accepted your apologies before...

Delusion and the long-troll job!

Why in the fuck would anyone ever apologize to Googs? The one-trick pony never actually posts a take - he just complains about other people complaining.

At least he's brief with his words. Because he has to be.

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and let me know what u find. No worries, as I accepted your apologies before...

I wouldn�t expect a child to apologize or understand one. Or is your mind that of a child? Trust me, it�s really hard to decipher with what you type �haha...�

In comment 14491399 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Delusion and the long-troll job! Why in the fuck would anyone ever apologize to Googs? The one-trick pony never actually posts a take - he just complains about other people complaining. At least he's brief with his words. Because he has to be.

Mostly brief because that�s all it takes to reply to some...

In comment 14491400 dep026 said:

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In comment 14491397 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: and let me know what u find. No worries, as I accepted your apologies before... I wouldn�t expect a child to apologize or understand one. Or is your mind that of a child? Trust me, it�s really hard to decipher with what you type �haha...�

My pithy remarks confuse you?

Either or �...�

but not unexpected

In comment 14491419 Jimmy Googs said:

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but not unexpected

Lot of people Don�t understand your posts cause they either don�t make sense or just stupid.

But �haha...�

To the extent you don�t follow along, let me know and I can simplify...

Not one football related post yet.

�Haha...�

they are full of shit aren�t football-related posts?

At last you can count...