New York Giants Coach Pat Shurmur's last public address before the team enters the summer break is thought to imply that the Giants will have veteran Eli Manning and rookie Daniel Jones compete for starting quarterback positions in training camp.What do you think& #65311;
Eli is the team's starting QB now and will be unless something changes drastically. No point in going there in June.
Wasn't that Kent Graham (pass to Toomer against Denver)... or am I thinking of another game?
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I've loved Eli since he threw the pass to Toomer against Denver. That being said the best thing for the Giants long term is if Jones is so good as a rookie he can beat out a 2 time Superbowl MVP.
Wasn't that Kent Graham (pass to Toomer against Denver)... or am I thinking of another game?
I remember the Giants beating 13-0 Broncos with Kent Graham at QB. 1997? Not sure about Eli-->Toomer over Denver. Could be though.
I noticed this is what shows up when you attempt to put in an emoji during an OP. the discussion boxes will allow it. Not a biggie. Not as fucking intrusive as having to scroll past those stupid ads on the left side on my iPad to get to the posts.
Amateurish.
Ok, so numbers will ONLY appear kn the OP
Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun.
Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun.
Understood, except Eli’s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli’s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo
Jones is simply a better fit for Shurmer's system.
The talk is PR to appease a fan base that threw a temper tantrum the last time Eli was on the bench. We had grown men crying over dinner. It was ugly.
These people are delicate, you have to ease them into it.
Jones is simply a better fit for Shurmer's system.
The talk is PR to appease a fan base that threw a temper tantrum the last time Eli was on the bench. We had grown men crying over dinner. It was ugly.
These people are delicate, you have to ease them into it.
In fairness to many of us who were pissed, it was more about the way Eli was benched (or his benching of himself) and the insertion of Geno Smith rather than Webb that rankled, not the benching per se.
You'd think if a memory is etched deep enough to love a player, it should probably be 100% certain that it is the actual guy doing it.
Or at least be on the fucking team in some capacity at the time it happened.
I mean, I've hated Victor Cruz ever since he failed to recover the onsides kick against Minny in the playoffs.....
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I've loved Eli since he threw the pass to Toomer against Denver. That being said the best thing for the Giants long term is if Jones is so good as a rookie he can beat out a 2 time Superbowl MVP.
You'd think if a memory is etched deep enough to love a player, it should probably be 100% certain that it is the actual guy doing it.
Or at least be on the fucking team in some capacity at the time it happened.
I mean, I've hated Victor Cruz ever since he failed to recover the onsides kick against Minny in the playoffs.....
He means the 2005 Broncos game
That's the Manning we've missed. He's always been fairly stationary, but finding the open guy after buying a few extra seconds was a key backdrop to many of his best plays.
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And that Eli is the starting quarterback.
Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun.
Understood, except Eli’s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli’s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo
You re most likely correct
The shock and fan outrage of sitting Eli has already happened. That ship already sailed and no need to fight that battle again.
If anything, the campaign would be to sooth the fans who were upset Jones was chosen. The PR has certainly been amped up to allay fears about his arm strength.
Maybe the silent majority feels otherwise, but my take on the pulse of fan site BBI is that folks are more than ready to put Eli in the rear view mirror. the furor would be more about NOT sitting him.
There's no point to it. Smart money ALWAYS says you DON'T throw rookie QB's in the deep end of the pool. You ease them in working 2nd team, some 4th quarter snaps in blowouts. You get them to thoroughly learn the system so when they DO finally play, they don't wind up looking like Eli did in 2004.
FWIW, we dodged bullets for years not having a quality backup behind E. Each year he got older, less mobile, more prone to injury - nice to finally have a good spare tire in the trunk!
Eli can run the RPO, you're thinking of the zone read
seems to me Eli turned out pretty good. Maybe getting game experience is a good thing.
Really. You mean they might go 5-11 or worse yet, 3-13!
Ok then.
They've been losing at an elite level for quite some time as it is.
The sooner he loses the sooner he will start winning...
Well, it WAS a big comeback win if not a particularly overwhelming play in and of itself.
Just thought it was obvious that the guy wasn't referring to the 1998 game.
When "fans" have remembered a 22-play drive with almost all runs by OJ Anderson in a SB taking up a quarter, anything is possible.
But that’s what you do.
We don’t Jones to make an immediate impact. We need him to begin to get comfortable with his new job.
Then we can hope he makes an impact...
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And that Eli is the starting quarterback.
Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun.
Understood, except Eli’s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli’s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo
But that’s what you do.
LOL
The two line pithy response that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. A Googs mainstay.
All part of being a long-time troll who actually does the same exact shit he calls others out for. Useless fucking poster.
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In comment 14487766 joeinpa said:
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And that Eli is the starting quarterback.
Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun.
Understood, except Eli’s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli’s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo
I disagree with this presented as an absolute. Practice and preseason will matter. Shurmur is on the hot seat for his head coaching life. Another shit season and he will never get another HC position. IF Shurmur feels Jones will give him a better chance to win, he will start him day 1. Unless you are suggesting there is mandate from ownership that Eli must play.
I don’t often disagree with you, but I do here. Eli is starting until and if he shits the bed imo..With Jones here, I think Shurmur buys more time here even with a lousy season. The hierarchy knows that with DJ here it’s a process. Shurmur is highly qualified to develop this guy whenever that comes to pass, even if he’s not, at this point, the perfect HC to lead the team moving forward.
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In comment 14487774 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14487766 joeinpa said:
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And that Eli is the starting quarterback.
Seems clear to me. Right now Eli is the better quarterback, as soon as that changes, Jones starts. The competition has begun.
Understood, except Eli’s only competition is HIMSELF. No matter how well DJ plays in practice, camp or preseason games, he will not supplant Eli. Only Eli’s play during the regular season will determine when or if DJ takes over this season imo
I disagree with this presented as an absolute. Practice and preseason will matter. Shurmur is on the hot seat for his head coaching life. Another shit season and he will never get another HC position. IF Shurmur feels Jones will give him a better chance to win, he will start him day 1. Unless you are suggesting there is mandate from ownership that Eli must play.
I don’t often disagree with you, but I do here. Eli is starting until and if he shits the bed imo..With Jones here, I think Shurmur buys more time here even with a lousy season. The hierarchy knows that with DJ here it’s a process. Shurmur is highly qualified to develop this guy whenever that comes to pass, even if he’s not, at this point, the perfect HC to lead the team moving forward.
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to criticize so quickly when you don’t even have the right reference.
But that’s what you do.
LOL
The two line pithy response that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. A Googs mainstay.
All part of being a long-time troll who actually does the same exact shit he calls others out for. Useless fucking poster.
The funnier LOL is you don't even see yourself as the very troll you remark with a sheer purpose of berating others.
Its become so commonplace for you that you even miss the point that a poster makes from time to time, like above, in the incredible hurry to just be condescending.
you're a human lol...
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to criticize so quickly when you don’t even have the right reference.
But that’s what you do.
LOL
The two line pithy response that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. A Googs mainstay.
All part of being a long-time troll who actually does the same exact shit he calls others out for. Useless fucking poster.
OMG, talk about the pot calling the kettle black... From the king of 2 line caustic posts.
Sorry, I got that wrong, at least Goog's 2 lines are pithy. Your's lack even that and often miss the mark revealing your incredible arrogance and incredible lack of anything worthwhile to say at the same time. Quite a feat actually.