review. I agree with your six DL. I'm actually excited about this position group, but a lot depends on Lawrence and McIntosh. At a minimum, we should be stout against the run.
review. I agree with your six DL. I'm actually excited about this position group, but a lot depends on Lawrence and McIntosh. At a minimum, we should be stout against the run.
The flying-under-the-radar guy is Olsen Pierre. I could see him getting a lot of snaps.
Since he's still signed for another two years, but you're absolutely right, Eric...he should be making more impact plays. I thought his play suffered the most after Harrison was traded, and I'm not sure that NT is his best position, but that seems to be where he was used the most in the Spring. We'll see if that continues into the Summer.
Olsen Pierre is an interesting cat. Two year PS guy who finally got a significant amount of playing time in his third year (for Bettcher). I was reading a Cardinals blog shortly after he signed with the Giants, and the writer noted that while he was very productive for Arizona in a "super sub" role, he was miscast the next year after Bettcher left and it showed on the field (and then, of course, he got hurt). I've said before that he strikes me as a poor man's Chris Canty. I think he's better suited to play the 5-tech, not the 3-tech. I also think we'll see a lot of him this year.
I really like McIntosh's game. I've said before that I can see him in a Justin Tuck-like role for the Giants, playing inside or outside on a four-man front, outside on a three-man front. I was glad to hear that he's gotten stronger, and I hope he hasn't lost any of his quickness.
Nice find. But I'm not sure I would call those "impact" plays. He didn't have a sack last year.
He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
Snacks was a freak in this sense... his tackle totals were insane for an interior lineman.
It's worth noting that it wasn't until his fourth year as a starter that Snacks began to put up those kind of numbers. His first three, his numbers were very similar to Tomlinson's. So, there's reason to believe that Tomlinson could improve. I don't know that he'll ever get more than a handful of sacks (or TFL's, or QB hits), but it's imperative that he's stout at the point-of-attack, especially against double-teams. He can't be seen as a liability, certainly not against the run.
RE: My guess is that Bettcher moves Lawrence to end and Tomlinson to
What makes you think Lawrence and Tomlinson will both be on the field in clear passing situations? I think that's unlikely, they'll be in a 2-4-5 set, or even 2-3-6, with 2 lbs (most likely Golden and Carter) also along the DL but in stand up positions.
He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
That's the same thought everyone had about Sterling Shepard before hge was resigned. Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience. This GM seems to prize character traits that we barely see, so I wouldn't be assuming DT needs to earn a 2nd contract offer via statistical production.
He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
That's the same thought everyone had about Sterling Shepard before hge was resigned. Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience. This GM seems to prize character traits that we barely see, so I wouldn't be assuming DT needs to earn a 2nd contract offer via statistical production.
It's still football, bruh (bruh?). It's not an Encounter Group. You still have to make plays, the more impactful, the better.
Tomlinson has been a starter from Day One, averaging about 57% of the snaps on defense. But who knows how the addition of Lawrence will affect his minutes, especially if the Giants go with only two DL's a lot of the time? Tomlinson has been solid, but hardly spectacular, and as for how respected he is in the locker room, how would you know? I like to think he's a good guy, but I'm not in there with him and neither are you.
Also, my feeling is there's more to the Shepard extension than meets the eye. I think it was just as much a "positive" PR move, a message to that same locker room in the wake of the OBJ trade, meant just as much to lessen the shock and assuage any hurt feelings than it was a reflection on how much they liked Shepard. I don't think it will impact how they treat other players going forward.
He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
That's the same thought everyone had about Sterling Shepard before hge was resigned. Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience. This GM seems to prize character traits that we barely see, so I wouldn't be assuming DT needs to earn a 2nd contract offer via statistical production.
It's still football, bruh (bruh?). It's not an Encounter Group. You still have to make plays, the more impactful, the better.
Tomlinson has been a starter from Day One, averaging about 57% of the snaps on defense. But who knows how the addition of Lawrence will affect his minutes, especially if the Giants go with only two DL's a lot of the time? Tomlinson has been solid, but hardly spectacular, and as for how respected he is in the locker room, how would you know? I like to think he's a good guy, but I'm not in there with him and neither are you.
Also, my feeling is there's more to the Shepard extension than meets the eye. I think it was just as much a "positive" PR move, a message to that same locker room in the wake of the OBJ trade, meant just as much to lessen the shock and assuage any hurt feelings than it was a reflection on how much they liked Shepard. I don't think it will impact how they treat other players going forward.
So you suggest or at least intimate that I am speculating about stuff I don't know about - the respect DT has among teammates - since "I'm not in the locker room" but you pull a theory about Shepard's extension as a kind of PR move out of your ass?
I listened to Dexter Lawrence's interview with (IIRC) Madelyn Burke. She asked him who he looked up to in the league - obviously she was trying to draw out the name of a famous DL and maybe an ex-Giant since Lawrence is known (again if you listen to reports and interviews, instead of just invent theories out of thin air) as a Giants' fan from SB 42. He jumped at the question with praise about his teammate, Dalvin Tomlinson, how DT was teaching him the ropes about playing in the NFL. Plus there have been other reports about Tomlinson being something more than your typical DL between the ears and as a person.
Anyway, we'll see soon enough if he's offered an extension this year or next. I think DG will want to hold onto all 3 of DT, BJ Hill, and Lawrence if their careers move forward as projected.
He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
That's the same thought everyone had about Sterling Shepard before hge was resigned. Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience. This GM seems to prize character traits that we barely see, so I wouldn't be assuming DT needs to earn a 2nd contract offer via statistical production.
It's still football, bruh (bruh?). It's not an Encounter Group. You still have to make plays, the more impactful, the better.
Tomlinson has been a starter from Day One, averaging about 57% of the snaps on defense. But who knows how the addition of Lawrence will affect his minutes, especially if the Giants go with only two DL's a lot of the time? Tomlinson has been solid, but hardly spectacular, and as for how respected he is in the locker room, how would you know? I like to think he's a good guy, but I'm not in there with him and neither are you.
Also, my feeling is there's more to the Shepard extension than meets the eye. I think it was just as much a "positive" PR move, a message to that same locker room in the wake of the OBJ trade, meant just as much to lessen the shock and assuage any hurt feelings than it was a reflection on how much they liked Shepard. I don't think it will impact how they treat other players going forward.
So you suggest or at least intimate that I am speculating about stuff I don't know about - the respect DT has among teammates - since "I'm not in the locker room" but you pull a theory about Shepard's extension as a kind of PR move out of your ass?
I listened to Dexter Lawrence's interview with (IIRC) Madelyn Burke. She asked him who he looked up to in the league - obviously she was trying to draw out the name of a famous DL and maybe an ex-Giant since Lawrence is known (again if you listen to reports and interviews, instead of just invent theories out of thin air) as a Giants' fan from SB 42. He jumped at the question with praise about his teammate, Dalvin Tomlinson, how DT was teaching him the ropes about playing in the NFL. Plus there have been other reports about Tomlinson being something more than your typical DL between the ears and as a person.
Anyway, we'll see soon enough if he's offered an extension this year or next. I think DG will want to hold onto all 3 of DT, BJ Hill, and Lawrence if their careers move forward as projected.
I didn't pull anything out of my ass. I used the phrases "my feeling" and "I think" with regard to Shepard's extension, and it should be obvious that I was speculating, not stating anything as fact.
You, on the other hand, declared categorically that "Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience," based on one interview from a rookie in the Spring, and, oh..."other reports." Hardly proof positive of anything regarding Tomlinson.
The bottom line is, as I said earlier, is that it's still football, and that while Tomlinson has played okay, that might not be enough to satisfy the Giants going forward. Their run defense suffered after Tomlinson replaced Snacks at NT, as did their ability to pressure opposing QB's. You can't blame all of that on Tomlinson, but you can't give him a pass on it, either. It doesn't matter how well-liked he is, how respected he is in the locker room. If he doesn't become more of a disruptive force on defense, the Giants will no doubt try and replace him with someone who is.
Especially if you don't have the one special unique pass rusher.
You have 5 offense linesmen, plus possibly a TE or a RB.
The numbers game approach: You want to have as many D linesmen as possible who can force two offense linesmen to block them (one DL). And or can create rush lanes through force. Also, on other plays, keep ols simply busy and ergo not on the second level hitting lbs or safeties.
Once you have that advantage you can scheme in any blitz and or the.dls enable each other schematic wise, taking turns by play.
Also, the better the front defends the run the more pass D oriented the second level.csn be.personell wise
Sacks would be a great addition but I think "Impact plays" could reasonably be defined as "tackles for losses" and any play stopped for less than 2 yards because if all your defensive plays were like that - it is theoretically/numerically impossible to get a 1st Down (theoretically if you gain 3 yards and go for it on 4th - 1st down is possible).
Also, even allowing only rushing play of 3 yards - you have a shot of keeping a team at less than 100 yards rushing per game. Only the best defenses in the league do that.
The flying-under-the-radar guy is Olsen Pierre. I could see him getting a lot of snaps.
Olsen Pierre is an interesting cat. Two year PS guy who finally got a significant amount of playing time in his third year (for Bettcher). I was reading a Cardinals blog shortly after he signed with the Giants, and the writer noted that while he was very productive for Arizona in a "super sub" role, he was miscast the next year after Bettcher left and it showed on the field (and then, of course, he got hurt). I've said before that he strikes me as a poor man's Chris Canty. I think he's better suited to play the 5-tech, not the 3-tech. I also think we'll see a lot of him this year.
I really like McIntosh's game. I've said before that I can see him in a Justin Tuck-like role for the Giants, playing inside or outside on a four-man front, outside on a three-man front. I was glad to hear that he's gotten stronger, and I hope he hasn't lost any of his quickness.
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Nice find. But I'm not sure I would call those "impact" plays. He didn't have a sack last year.
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Nice find. But I'm not sure I would call those "impact" plays. He didn't have a sack last year.
He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
It's worth noting that it wasn't until his fourth year as a starter that Snacks began to put up those kind of numbers. His first three, his numbers were very similar to Tomlinson's. So, there's reason to believe that Tomlinson could improve. I don't know that he'll ever get more than a handful of sacks (or TFL's, or QB hits), but it's imperative that he's stout at the point-of-attack, especially against double-teams. He can't be seen as a liability, certainly not against the run.
What makes you think Lawrence and Tomlinson will both be on the field in clear passing situations? I think that's unlikely, they'll be in a 2-4-5 set, or even 2-3-6, with 2 lbs (most likely Golden and Carter) also along the DL but in stand up positions.
He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
That's the same thought everyone had about Sterling Shepard before hge was resigned. Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience. This GM seems to prize character traits that we barely see, so I wouldn't be assuming DT needs to earn a 2nd contract offer via statistical production.
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He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
That's the same thought everyone had about Sterling Shepard before hge was resigned. Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience. This GM seems to prize character traits that we barely see, so I wouldn't be assuming DT needs to earn a 2nd contract offer via statistical production.
It's still football, bruh (bruh?). It's not an Encounter Group. You still have to make plays, the more impactful, the better.
Tomlinson has been a starter from Day One, averaging about 57% of the snaps on defense. But who knows how the addition of Lawrence will affect his minutes, especially if the Giants go with only two DL's a lot of the time? Tomlinson has been solid, but hardly spectacular, and as for how respected he is in the locker room, how would you know? I like to think he's a good guy, but I'm not in there with him and neither are you.
Also, my feeling is there's more to the Shepard extension than meets the eye. I think it was just as much a "positive" PR move, a message to that same locker room in the wake of the OBJ trade, meant just as much to lessen the shock and assuage any hurt feelings than it was a reflection on how much they liked Shepard. I don't think it will impact how they treat other players going forward.
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He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
That's the same thought everyone had about Sterling Shepard before hge was resigned. Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience. This GM seems to prize character traits that we barely see, so I wouldn't be assuming DT needs to earn a 2nd contract offer via statistical production.
It's still football, bruh (bruh?). It's not an Encounter Group. You still have to make plays, the more impactful, the better.
Tomlinson has been a starter from Day One, averaging about 57% of the snaps on defense. But who knows how the addition of Lawrence will affect his minutes, especially if the Giants go with only two DL's a lot of the time? Tomlinson has been solid, but hardly spectacular, and as for how respected he is in the locker room, how would you know? I like to think he's a good guy, but I'm not in there with him and neither are you.
Also, my feeling is there's more to the Shepard extension than meets the eye. I think it was just as much a "positive" PR move, a message to that same locker room in the wake of the OBJ trade, meant just as much to lessen the shock and assuage any hurt feelings than it was a reflection on how much they liked Shepard. I don't think it will impact how they treat other players going forward.
So you suggest or at least intimate that I am speculating about stuff I don't know about - the respect DT has among teammates - since "I'm not in the locker room" but you pull a theory about Shepard's extension as a kind of PR move out of your ass?
I listened to Dexter Lawrence's interview with (IIRC) Madelyn Burke. She asked him who he looked up to in the league - obviously she was trying to draw out the name of a famous DL and maybe an ex-Giant since Lawrence is known (again if you listen to reports and interviews, instead of just invent theories out of thin air) as a Giants' fan from SB 42. He jumped at the question with praise about his teammate, Dalvin Tomlinson, how DT was teaching him the ropes about playing in the NFL. Plus there have been other reports about Tomlinson being something more than your typical DL between the ears and as a person.
Anyway, we'll see soon enough if he's offered an extension this year or next. I think DG will want to hold onto all 3 of DT, BJ Hill, and Lawrence if their careers move forward as projected.
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He did have 5 TFL's last year, four more than he had in his rookie year. By comparison, Snacks averages about 6 TFL's per year, but that included a couple of sacks and around a half-dozen QB hits. Snacks was a more prolific tackler, too, averaging about 43 solos per year, to Tomlinson's 29. Stat's don't tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it. I like Tomlinson, but he needs to step up his game this year and next if he expects to get a second contract from the Giants.
That's the same thought everyone had about Sterling Shepard before hge was resigned. Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience. This GM seems to prize character traits that we barely see, so I wouldn't be assuming DT needs to earn a 2nd contract offer via statistical production.
It's still football, bruh (bruh?). It's not an Encounter Group. You still have to make plays, the more impactful, the better.
Tomlinson has been a starter from Day One, averaging about 57% of the snaps on defense. But who knows how the addition of Lawrence will affect his minutes, especially if the Giants go with only two DL's a lot of the time? Tomlinson has been solid, but hardly spectacular, and as for how respected he is in the locker room, how would you know? I like to think he's a good guy, but I'm not in there with him and neither are you.
Also, my feeling is there's more to the Shepard extension than meets the eye. I think it was just as much a "positive" PR move, a message to that same locker room in the wake of the OBJ trade, meant just as much to lessen the shock and assuage any hurt feelings than it was a reflection on how much they liked Shepard. I don't think it will impact how they treat other players going forward.
So you suggest or at least intimate that I am speculating about stuff I don't know about - the respect DT has among teammates - since "I'm not in the locker room" but you pull a theory about Shepard's extension as a kind of PR move out of your ass?
I listened to Dexter Lawrence's interview with (IIRC) Madelyn Burke. She asked him who he looked up to in the league - obviously she was trying to draw out the name of a famous DL and maybe an ex-Giant since Lawrence is known (again if you listen to reports and interviews, instead of just invent theories out of thin air) as a Giants' fan from SB 42. He jumped at the question with praise about his teammate, Dalvin Tomlinson, how DT was teaching him the ropes about playing in the NFL. Plus there have been other reports about Tomlinson being something more than your typical DL between the ears and as a person.
Anyway, we'll see soon enough if he's offered an extension this year or next. I think DG will want to hold onto all 3 of DT, BJ Hill, and Lawrence if their careers move forward as projected.
I didn't pull anything out of my ass. I used the phrases "my feeling" and "I think" with regard to Shepard's extension, and it should be obvious that I was speculating, not stating anything as fact.
You, on the other hand, declared categorically that "Tomlinson is very highly respected in the locker room for a guy with only 2 years' experience," based on one interview from a rookie in the Spring, and, oh..."other reports." Hardly proof positive of anything regarding Tomlinson.
The bottom line is, as I said earlier, is that it's still football, and that while Tomlinson has played okay, that might not be enough to satisfy the Giants going forward. Their run defense suffered after Tomlinson replaced Snacks at NT, as did their ability to pressure opposing QB's. You can't blame all of that on Tomlinson, but you can't give him a pass on it, either. It doesn't matter how well-liked he is, how respected he is in the locker room. If he doesn't become more of a disruptive force on defense, the Giants will no doubt try and replace him with someone who is.
You have 5 offense linesmen, plus possibly a TE or a RB.
The numbers game approach: You want to have as many D linesmen as possible who can force two offense linesmen to block them (one DL). And or can create rush lanes through force. Also, on other plays, keep ols simply busy and ergo not on the second level hitting lbs or safeties.
Once you have that advantage you can scheme in any blitz and or the.dls enable each other schematic wise, taking turns by play.
Also, the better the front defends the run the more pass D oriented the second level.csn be.personell wise
Also, even allowing only rushing play of 3 yards - you have a shot of keeping a team at less than 100 yards rushing per game. Only the best defenses in the league do that.