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Sean : 7/2/2019 8:31 am
How are we all feeling? Personally, I like what they’re doing. The highlights:

-Young, hungry players on short term contracts competing. Hopefully this helps everyone get better.

-All future draft picks in place in addition to picks from the KP trade.

-Maintaining cap flexibility going forward.

If there is one thing I’ve realized, tanking is way overblown. The Knicks don’t be a FA destination until they win. Going out there and competing is the next thing for them right now. Need to build a culture.
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^^^  
ChaChing : 7/2/2019 9:29 pm : link
I would rather leave the spot open for now  
Carl in CT : 7/2/2019 9:38 pm : link
And create a culture and tell all the kids in the summer league it’s yours for the taking. At least hard work would pay off. If you need to rely of the 15th man you are in trouble. See what also shakes loose. It shows no one is guaranteed nothing.
RE: ^^^  
jgambrosio : 7/2/2019 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14490277 ChaChing said:
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But I thought it was Dolan and the poisoned culture he's cultivated...
RE: I would rather leave the spot open for now  
Del Shofner : 7/2/2019 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14490279 Carl in CT said:
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And create a culture and tell all the kids in the summer league it’s yours for the taking. At least hard work would pay off. If you need to rely of the 15th man you are in trouble. See what also shakes loose. It shows no one is guaranteed nothing.


I agree with this.
RE: jared dudley signs with lakers  
Nine-Tails : 7/2/2019 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14490203 nygiants16 said:
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why arent more vets signing with the nets? i am surprised


Because they already have good depth, while the Lakers have like 4 players
RE: RE: jared dudley signs with lakers  
nygiants16 : 7/2/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14490371 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14490203 nygiants16 said:


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why arent more vets signing with the nets? i am surprised



Because they already have good depth, while the Lakers have like 4 players


the nets have good depth? , who is their starting and back up 4?

back up shooting guard? back up point?

nets hardly have depth
Hopefully Mitch  
TommyWiseau : 7/2/2019 10:59 pm : link
Is was working on developing his shot. If he can hit a 12 foot jumper consistantly and also keep himself out of foul trouble that would be great.

My favorite signings we did were Randle and Portis. Both guys are young and talented. Happy to have them
RE: RE: RE: jared dudley signs with lakers  
Nine-Tails : 7/2/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14490374 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14490371 Nine-Tails said:


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In comment 14490203 nygiants16 said:


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why arent more vets signing with the nets? i am surprised



Because they already have good depth, while the Lakers have like 4 players



the nets have good depth? , who is their starting and back up 4?

back up shooting guard? back up point?

nets hardly have depth


Hardly any depth? Aside from Kyrie, Dinwiddie, Levert, Prince, Harris, Jordan, Hollis-Jefferson, Kurucs, Allen, Temple. That's 9 rotation players right there.

Back up point? Spencer Dinwiddie, pretty damn good back up point
At the four, there's no traditional four, but with Deandre, they can space the lineup with shooters. They have a lot of versatile players that can play multiple positions.
Hollis-Jefferson isn’t on the Nets right now  
Strahan91 : 7/2/2019 11:28 pm : link
He remains an UFA. Also I don’t really get your DeAndre point. How does he enable you to run with 4 shooters?
RE: Hollis-Jefferson isn’t on the Nets right now  
Nine-Tails : 7/2/2019 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14490394 Strahan91 said:
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He remains an UFA. Also I don’t really get your DeAndre point. How does he enable you to run with 4 shooters?


Don't know why he's still on Net page on ESPN, LOL. Deandre is strong presence inside, so you don't need a traditional four in that sense. You could get away with playing combo forwards, like how you see the warriors, bucks, and raptors do it. Guys like Middleton, tobias. Obviously Nets dont have those guys so they'll have to figure it out, probably need to add one more guy.
You'll  
Nine-Tails : 7/2/2019 11:41 pm : link
probably see Kurucs and Prince at the 4 a lot this year, but would need one more guy for the season
RE: Yeah, this is not about Dolan any more.  
Vanzetti : 7/3/2019 2:11 am : link
In comment 14490193 manh george said:
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Making the contrast between the Nets and the Knicks, the Nets' base is 2-3 years older, fairly talented, much more mature than the Knicks, and more of a certainty.

Like it or not, Durant and Kyrie were absolutely correct to head for a team where they were the completion of a base of players, not the beginning.

If Barrett, Mitchell, Knox, Randle and one or two of the other guys can grow into mature, complete players, the Knicks will be able to attract talent to go with that. The way Perry et al designed this, with 5 team option second years and a bunch of future #1 picks, gives them a real opportunity if the youngsters show real talent. The Garden IS a great place to play, if you have a full, talented team.


I agree.
RE: RE: Hollis-Jefferson isn’t on the Nets right now  
nygiants16 : 7/3/2019 3:41 am : link
In comment 14490396 Nine-Tails said:
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He remains an UFA. Also I don’t really get your DeAndre point. How does he enable you to run with 4 shooters?



Don't know why he's still on Net page on ESPN, LOL. Deandre is strong presence inside, so you don't need a traditional four in that sense. You could get away with playing combo forwards, like how you see the warriors, bucks, and raptors do it. Guys like Middleton, tobias. Obviously Nets dont have those guys so they'll have to figure it out, probably need to add one more guy.


deandre is not a force anymore, dude is washed, he isnnot protecting anything
Jesus  
jgambrosio : 7/3/2019 7:23 am : link
Why does every Knicks thread get into a debate about the nets? This is getting as bad as the time when we had to separate Yankees threads from Boston and mets fans.
RE: RE: ^^^  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/3/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14490283 jgambrosio said:
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But I thought it was Dolan and the poisoned culture he's cultivated...


Media nonsense talking points.

If Durant was healthy, he would've chosen the Knicks and been a lot more likely to convince another star to come with him. With him injured and the state of the Knicks roster, the other stars weren't interested and Kyrie pulled him across town. Making everything under the sun about Dolan is just dumb.
If Lance Thomas is brought back, I give up  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2019 8:58 am : link
I'll check out and check back in next summer
If you didn't check out during a 17 win season,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/3/2019 9:00 am : link
you deserve the time off.
I can deal with 17 wins  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2019 9:08 am : link
I can't deal with a SIXTH(!!!!!!) season of Lance Thomas.
RE: I can deal with 17 wins  
Reeses Pieces : 7/3/2019 10:24 am : link
The exact opposite of this. Thomas is not going to stunt anyone's development, plus he will show the kids how to act as a professional. The win total needs to increase. This will prove the development is working and begin to shed a positive light on the young core.

In comment 14490469 Greg from LI said:
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I can't deal with a SIXTH(!!!!!!) season of Lance Thomas.
Jgambrosio, I agree  
PhilSimms15 : 7/3/2019 10:27 am : link
The Nets are just another franchise like the Celts and Sixers. Why does every thread end up in a debate about the Nets, or the culture of the Nets or who is better on the Nets.

Why can’t we have a Knick thread and a Nets thread and then each fan base can discuss their team not both teams?
Lance Thomas  
Dave in PA : 7/3/2019 10:28 am : link
Will secure the worst possible record for the Knicks, which is very much in their favor for the next 2 years.
A professional? Professional what?  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2019 10:28 am : link
He is a putrid basketball player. He does not belong in the league. Get him the hell off the roster.
RE: RE: I can deal with 17 wins  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14490536 Reeses Pieces said:
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The exact opposite of this. Thomas is not going to stunt anyone's development, plus he will show the kids how to act as a professional. The win total needs to increase. This will prove the development is working and begin to shed a positive light on the young core.

In comment 14490469 Greg from LI said:


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I can't deal with a SIXTH(!!!!!!) season of Lance Thomas.



Um. Isn't that why they brought in Taj Gibson, Reggie Bullock, Wayne Ellington? How many veterans do you need on a roster? Heck, Portis is going into year 5, Payton year 6. They have more than enough "veterans" on this roster.
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2019 10:52 am : link
Free-agent forward Jeff Green has agreed to a one-year, $2.5 million veterans minimum contract with the Utah Jazz, league sources told ESPN on Tuesday.

The Jazz also reached agreement with free-agent point guard Emmanuel Mudiay on a one-year deal, sources told ESPN.
i dont think they resign lance  
nygiants16 : 7/3/2019 10:54 am : link
i think they leave the slot open in case of trade, kadeem allen, or a summer league guy that surprises
RE: Lance Thomas  
Sean : 7/3/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14490540 Dave in PA said:
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Will secure the worst possible record for the Knicks, which is very much in their favor for the next 2 years.


No it isn’t. They’ll never land free agents if the consistently win below 25 games.
Lance Thomas makes absolutely zero sense  
Anakim : 7/3/2019 11:03 am : link
Isn't that why we signed Taj Gibson?
RE: Lance Thomas makes absolutely zero sense  
Del Shofner : 7/3/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14490593 Anakim said:
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Isn't that why we signed Taj Gibson?


And the kid from Oregon, Kenny Wooten, is on our summer league team - he's someone I'd rather see than Lance. (I guess almost anyone is, but specifically ...)
Kenny Wooten is an awesome defender  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2019 11:13 am : link
Has zero offense, but it's something to watch him defend the paint.
Wooten  
DanMetroMan : 7/3/2019 11:15 am : link
Wilkes, King, Cavanaugh.. almost anyone over LT
Bringing back Lance Thomas  
Jay on the Island : 7/3/2019 11:25 am : link
makes no goddamn sense. We already have Randle, Portis, Knox, Gibson at F plus Barrett, Dotson, and Bullock can play the 3 also. That spot should be used on a young player to develop. As Greg said Wooten is a much better option. He's an excellent defender at least. He might have no offensive game but he at least provides in one area which is more than Thomas provides.
RE: Jgambrosio, I agree  
Mike in NJ : 7/3/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14490539 PhilSimms15 said:
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The Nets are just another franchise like the Celts and Sixers. Why does every thread end up in a debate about the Nets, or the culture of the Nets or who is better on the Nets.

Why can’t we have a Knick thread and a Nets thread and then each fan base can discuss their team not both teams?


Because nobody cares about the Nets, if they had a thread for the team it would get maybe 15 replies. Trolling the Knicks thread is really the only option they have if they want to talk basketball.

They just signed Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant 2 days ago and are already an afterthought. Everything you see from the talking heads now is centered around where will Kawhi land and reactions to the Knicks missing out or what do the Knicks do next. Even when the Nets hit it big, everyone still would rather discuss the Knicks.
RE: Kenny Wooten is an awesome defender  
Anakim : 7/3/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14490604 Greg from LI said:
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Has zero offense, but it's something to watch him defend the paint.


Sounds like a Bitchsmack Biyombo. He'd lose a one-on-none game.
RE: RE: Jgambrosio, I agree  
Jay on the Island : 7/3/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14490633 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 14490539 PhilSimms15 said:


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The Nets are just another franchise like the Celts and Sixers. Why does every thread end up in a debate about the Nets, or the culture of the Nets or who is better on the Nets.

Why can’t we have a Knick thread and a Nets thread and then each fan base can discuss their team not both teams?



Because nobody cares about the Nets, if they had a thread for the team it would get maybe 15 replies. Trolling the Knicks thread is really the only option they have if they want to talk basketball.

They just signed Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant 2 days ago and are already an afterthought. Everything you see from the talking heads now is centered around where will Kawhi land and reactions to the Knicks missing out or what do the Knicks do next. Even when the Nets hit it big, everyone still would rather discuss the Knicks.

I really don't understand these ridiculous comments. Why do some feel the need to call out the size of another fan base?

Wow a team that was once in NJ and is now in Brooklyn has a smaller fan base than a NY team! That is so shocking? Does the size of a fan base have any affect on basketball knowledge or team performance?

As a Knicks fan this offseason has been a huge let down. The Nets deserve credit for attracting both Durant and Irving and they are headed in the right direction. The Knicks have some exciting young players in Barrett and Robinson but the Nets are a much better current team. Who gives a shit about the size of their fan base.
Done forget about randle and knox  
nygiants16 : 7/3/2019 11:41 am : link
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Ellenson would make much more sense than Lance Thomas  
Anakim : 7/3/2019 11:43 am : link
At least he has theoretical upside
.  
Del Shofner : 7/3/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14490651 Jay on the Island said:
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Wow a team that was once in NJ and is now in Brooklyn


Not just NJ - how could you forget the Island Garden in West Hempstead, much less the Nassau Coliseum?
I prefer teams with smaller  
Metnut : 7/3/2019 11:47 am : link
fanbases in capped leagues. Easier to get tickets and go to games and doesn't have a huge impact on the team's success. Best of both worlds.

I'm waiting for us to sign Luol Deng  
Anakim : 7/3/2019 11:48 am : link
So we can say we had Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Ronnie Brewer and then Luol Deng...


RE: RE: RE: Jgambrosio, I agree  
Eli Wilson : 7/3/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14490651 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14490539 PhilSimms15 said:


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The Nets are just another franchise like the Celts and Sixers. Why does every thread end up in a debate about the Nets, or the culture of the Nets or who is better on the Nets.

Why can’t we have a Knick thread and a Nets thread and then each fan base can discuss their team not both teams?



Because nobody cares about the Nets, if they had a thread for the team it would get maybe 15 replies. Trolling the Knicks thread is really the only option they have if they want to talk basketball.

They just signed Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant 2 days ago and are already an afterthought. Everything you see from the talking heads now is centered around where will Kawhi land and reactions to the Knicks missing out or what do the Knicks do next. Even when the Nets hit it big, everyone still would rather discuss the Knicks.


I really don't understand these ridiculous comments. Why do some feel the need to call out the size of another fan base?

Wow a team that was once in NJ and is now in Brooklyn has a smaller fan base than a NY team! That is so shocking? Does the size of a fan base have any affect on basketball knowledge or team performance?

As a Knicks fan this offseason has been a huge let down. The Nets deserve credit for attracting both Durant and Irving and they are headed in the right direction. The Knicks have some exciting young players in Barrett and Robinson but the Nets are a much better current team. Who gives a shit about the size of their fan base.


Just spit balling, but maybe because even when the thread title states "Knicks chat" Nets fans seem to want to chime in about their own team. Why is that?

If the thread was titled NBA chat, that would be all well and good, but it's not.
RE: I prefer teams with smaller  
hitdog42 : 7/3/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14490665 Metnut said:
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fanbases in capped leagues. Easier to get tickets and go to games and doesn't have a huge impact on the team's success. Best of both worlds.


its quite upsetting, i usually go courtside nets 2-3 times a year--- i think the line will be longer or the ask quite a bit higher this year- which is funny cause its not like they will even have KD- so early on the product should only be marginally better
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Greg from LI : 7/3/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14490663 Del Shofner said:
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Not just NJ - how could you forget the Island Garden in West Hempstead, much less the Nassau Coliseum?


My uncle was in high school then and said how they used to go to games just for something to do, the tickets were so cheap and the arena would be mostly empty. They were so desperate for attendance that they did weird promotions like Bread Night - come to the game and you get a free loaf of bread.
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nygiants16 : 7/3/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14490680 Greg from LI said:
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Not just NJ - how could you forget the Island Garden in West Hempstead, much less the Nassau Coliseum?



My uncle was in high school then and said how they used to go to games just for something to do, the tickets were so cheap and the arena would be mostly empty. They were so desperate for attendance that they did weird promotions like Bread Night - come to the game and you get a free loaf of bread.


i used sit 3 rows from the court behind visters bench when they were in jersey
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Del Shofner : 7/3/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14490680 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14490663 Del Shofner said:


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Not just NJ - how could you forget the Island Garden in West Hempstead, much less the Nassau Coliseum?



My uncle was in high school then and said how they used to go to games just for something to do, the tickets were so cheap and the arena would be mostly empty. They were so desperate for attendance that they did weird promotions like Bread Night - come to the game and you get a free loaf of bread.


Those were the days. I was away in college during most of those years so didn't get to many games given the season, but I got to some. The 1973-74 championship team was great though - with Dr J, Billy Paultz, Larry Kenon, John Williamson et al. Fun team to watch.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jgambrosio, I agree  
Jay on the Island : 7/3/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14490675 Eli Wilson said:
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Just spit balling, but maybe because even when the thread title states "Knicks chat" Nets fans seem to want to chime in about their own team. Why is that?

If the thread was titled NBA chat, that would be all well and good, but it's not.

I have no idea. I see it all the time on Mets/Yankees threads also. If they want to contribute that's great unless it is just to mock the team.
Bill Simmons went on SAS’s show today  
Strahan91 : 7/3/2019 4:44 pm : link
and gave his opinion on what the Knicks should’ve done. He suggested they trade for Wall’s contract and get picks to take it on and sign Boogie to a big one year deal. SAS agreed with him. I never want to hear either of those two clowns quoted as having a relevant opinion on any basketball-related subject ever again.
Wall and Cousins would be quite a pair.  
bceagle05 : 7/3/2019 4:50 pm : link
Two miserable, broken down former stars - the types of guys we've brought in for 20 years and gotten killed for it (deservedly so).

Simmons had the Celtics down for how many wins this past year? 67 or 68 I believe? He was also one of the many alleged insiders who said KD to the Knicks was a lock.
RE: Bill Simmons went on SAS’s show today  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14490956 Strahan91 said:
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and gave his opinion on what the Knicks should’ve done. He suggested they trade for Wall’s contract and get picks to take it on and sign Boogie to a big one year deal. SAS agreed with him. I never want to hear either of those two clowns quoted as having a relevant opinion on any basketball-related subject ever again.


Simmons, being a Celtics fan, has a hardon for "assets". Nothing's more valuable than draft picks. And Cousins has no market. Nobody wants him. He just fired his agent and got a new one.
Seriously, if simmons said that  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2019 5:04 pm : link
he just suggested the Knicks take on a 171 million dollar contract they'd be locked into until 2023.
Remember how Phil was reportedly enamored with Josh Jackson?  
Anakim : 7/3/2019 5:15 pm : link
And wanted to trade up to get him? Yeesh
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