How are we all feeling? Personally, I like what they’re doing. The highlights:
-Young, hungry players on short term contracts competing. Hopefully this helps everyone get better.
-All future draft picks in place in addition to picks from the KP trade.
-Maintaining cap flexibility going forward.
If there is one thing I’ve realized, tanking is way overblown. The Knicks don’t be a FA destination until they win. Going out there and competing is the next thing for them right now. Need to build a culture.
I'm actually more pissed off that the Lakers are having their way again, mainly due to LeBron's business connections than I am about KD/Irving going to Brooklyn.
I was on here pretty much begging for reasons to get excited about Durant coming to NYK and I could never wrap my head around it. His next time on the court will be at 32 with a surgically repaired achilles tendon. Don't even get me started on Kyrie Irving.
I wanted (a healthy) Kevin Durant and Anthony Davis when the offseason started and KD's injury killed both of those birds with one stone.
Draft, develop, compete. That's what the Knicks need to do right now.
Is Knox playing in the Summer League?
To a lesser extent I'm excited to watch Randle play as I loved him at Kentucky.
There's not much more than that, but it's a start.
The 3 bigs the knicks signed. Julius Randle has the biggest upside obviously, the second half of last year was 25 and 11 and had a +6 WS. I think he has all star potential and will be the number 1 or 2 scoring option on this team..
All 4 bigs on this team are interchangeable, you can play any 2 and it will work. That is important for roster flexibility, you dont have 2 guys for the same spot, everyone can play together.
Bullock and Ellington, 3 point shooters off the bench or you can put one next to smith and barrett to spread the floor when they drive to the paint.
Payton is a distributor, has not really taken off like people have wanted to and will be interesting the camp battle between him and smith jr.
People will say the knicks added a lot of nothing, they added a lot of dpeth around their young team, that can play with their young players rather than take shots away from their young players. I dont think this group of "vets" will just be looking for theirs like hardaway, burke and kanter.
if i told you they would sign a 23 year old that averaged 20 and 9 on 53 percent shooting you wouldnt be happy?
Is Knox playing in the Summer League?
yes and so is trier and robinson
Huh? This was the first year they tanked so how can this be rinse and repeat? How many years have we been players in FA for top tier FA? Twice over like a decade? Your perception is out of whack.
Well in the past they would've signed those C & D level players to 4-5 year deals, so that's a positive change...
The NETs wont win....so who cares where FA went.
Until the next Shaq, Magic, Jordon or LeBron gets in the league.....the winners are usually predetermined by a group of players
The NETs wont win....so who cares where FA went.
Until the next Shaq, Magic, Jordon or LeBron gets in the league.....the winners are usually predetermined by a group of players
was it predetermined last year?
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about what they've done. Every off-season feels like it's rinse and repeat... Tank, lose the lottery, strike out on Free Agency, sign lesser C & D level free agents to 1 or 2 year deals then turn the roster over again next year.
Once Durant went down, the tea leaves all were turning up to say that Irving is going to implode the locker room and Durant is going to come back a hobbled, old man.
Is that really what people wanted?
I could have gotten behind a Leonard/Davis pairing, but barring that, the path the Knicks are taking is pretty damn solid.
And this isn't what they've done in the past. The past gives you Noah on a terrible contracts and a lot of similar moves.
The 3 bigs the knicks signed. Julius Randle has the biggest upside obviously, the second half of last year was 25 and 11 and had a +6 WS. I think he has all star potential and will be the number 1 or 2 scoring option on this team..
All 4 bigs on this team are interchangeable, you can play any 2 and it will work. That is important for roster flexibility, you dont have 2 guys for the same spot, everyone can play together.
Bullock and Ellington, 3 point shooters off the bench or you can put one next to smith and barrett to spread the floor when they drive to the paint.
Payton is a distributor, has not really taken off like people have wanted to and will be interesting the camp battle between him and smith jr.
People will say the knicks added a lot of nothing, they added a lot of dpeth around their young team, that can play with their young players rather than take shots away from their young players. I dont think this group of "vets" will just be looking for theirs like hardaway, burke and kanter.
Yea I agree they did a nice combo of adding young guys/vets and fitting it into a roster with bigs/shooters and a PG who averaged of 7 assists a game last year. Not an all star group, but something we can build with. In a round table I was watching last night with someone, Ramona Shelbourne and Scottie Pippen Shelbourne actually tepidly said she liked the talent the Knicks added and could see them making a run at the 7th or 8th seed, but quickly shut it down as not to disrupt the narrative that we are a total shit show and an embarrassment.
Ugh, you are the worst.
Is there an internet sandbox we can all tell you to go play in whenever you're annoying? Which is basically every post you make.
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about what they've done. Every off-season feels like it's rinse and repeat... Tank, lose the lottery, strike out on Free Agency, sign lesser C & D level free agents to 1 or 2 year deals then turn the roster over again next year.
if i told you they would sign a 23 year old that averaged 20 and 9 on 53 percent shooting you wouldnt be happy?
I like the Randle signing in a vacuum, but it's nothing to get excited about.
Robbie, yes this may be their first foray into the top tier free agency in the past decade, but every off-season we get the Hezonja's, Derrick Williams', Michael Beasley of the league and are convinced the Knicks can turn chicken soup out of chicken shit. This team will not win a title this season, and very well may not make the playoffs. I'm not getting excited because the Knicks filled out the roster with cagey vets who can get us to 30 wins.
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I'm not sure how anyone can be excited
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about what they've done. Every off-season feels like it's rinse and repeat... Tank, lose the lottery, strike out on Free Agency, sign lesser C & D level free agents to 1 or 2 year deals then turn the roster over again next year.
Once Durant went down, the tea leaves all were turning up to say that Irving is going to implode the locker room and Durant is going to come back a hobbled, old man.
Is that really what people wanted?
I could have gotten behind a Leonard/Davis pairing, but barring that, the path the Knicks are taking is pretty damn solid.
And this isn't what they've done in the past. The past gives you Noah on a terrible contracts and a lot of similar moves.
I get it. Their subsequent moves are fine. I'm not debating that. Exciting? Hardly... It feels like kicking the can down the road.
Now, if they can develop these kids, then it'll get exciting.
I dont think most would agree with that. Last year was the first season they were honestly tanking. It was a point of frustration for multiple seasons before that they seemed to not want to do it.
Also, I dont think you can say them taking the responsible approach and getting decent players on team option short term deals is "rinse and repeat". You can be dissatisfied with them not winning the lottery and free agents choosing not to be here, but the basketball decisions have been okay. That definitely isnt rinse and repeat for this franchise.
you continue to prove you have no idea what you are talking about
I think coach Fiz is a great communicator and he helps this group over achieve.
Yeah I think this is what sets this aside with recent signing sprees. is that with the exception of Randle, who can be a core piece down the road, the rest are complimentary pieces and probably realize that (I think Portis & Payton probably think they can compete for big minutes and thats fine) Obviously the key is the development of Knox/RJ/DSJ/Mitch that will be the barometer of how high we can go. The perception thing can change quickly around here. Knicks fans are some of the most loyal/knowledgeable in the league. We are starving for good basketball and wins. You can see it at the Garden. Through this mess of 20 years whenever the Knicks are remotely competitive the Garden rocks like few other buildings can. Even a 40 win team will change the perception. Sure some of the ogres around here feel that unless you are a title contender you are shit and wasting your time, but that's not the city in general.
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The NBA season is a waste of my time.
The NETs wont win....so who cares where FA went.
Until the next Shaq, Magic, Jordon or LeBron gets in the league.....the winners are usually predetermined by a group of players
was it predetermined last year?
Can’t bank on guys like Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant getting hurt every year. If the Lakers land Kawhi they are two tiers ahead of the next best team. Leonard just dragged an above average Raptors roster to the championship, what’s he going to do with Lebron and Anthony Davis?
As a Knicks fan, I couldn’t care less about that, our window start 2 years from now. There are plenty of other reasons to still get league pass and watch some of the other young up and coming teams, but Leonard to the Lakers would take away pretty much all of the suspense around the playoffs.
You should be able to get excited about the chance to see what Barrett, Mitch, and Knox can become. Funny thing is we are probably better next season then we would have been if we signed KD.
I understand that can change in the future, and I don't advocate giving out reckless long term contracts but I wish the focus was more on attaining better talent than about preserving cap flexibility.
I'm excited for Mitch and Barrett, those are the 2 that I think can really become stars. I'm not giving up on Knox or DSJ but I'd like to see some improvement.
I don't get the post crapping on Fizdale.
As for the renting capspace, we dont know if that is a thing right now. We saw exactly one trade so far that was picks for capspace, ONE. And since most big FA have signed i doubt we see more. Will there be in season opportunities, maybe, shoudl the knicks have saved like 10 mill in space, probably, but we dont know. Its like there were teams just throwing around first round picks and the knicks werent interested.
I'm with you on this.
However, I also agree with those who say it's a prove-it year for Fiz. Let's see these players develop and gel.
But they need to win. Or at least have good players in place. So basically while we're sucking these next couple of years the top priority needs to be developing RJ, Randle and Robinson. And hitting on players in the draft with their and Dallas's picks. If the nucleus develops into near all star levels, it will be much easier to lure people to the Knicks because it's obvious that the mystique of the Garden or whatever is overshadowed by either the awfulness of the team for the last 30 years or Dolan or both.
Agree that not getting this current version of Durant is not the end of the world. But to me, if they're truly playing the long term game, they could have used the space to acquire a pick or two. I get why they brought in a guy like Taj Gibson, but I think you can get a similar vet for the room exception or even the minimum at some point. You don't need to give him $10 million.
As for the renting capspace, we dont know if that is a thing right now. We saw exactly one trade so far that was picks for capspace, ONE.
there's been 3 of them in the last few days. And they can happen in-season as well.
On Randle, he has talent, but I think he will be a soft stats guy, where he can produce for a bad team.
The season is all about the development of Barrett/Knox/Robinson/DSJ, but I have a feeling they will try to get the 8th seed and we will see too much of Ellington/Bullock/Taj to get some wins as they will play defense.
NYGiants13 is correct they will be well positioned to get the next start the demands a trade, but with guys like Woj/Marks and others constantly downgrading the Knicks talent, it is never easy for them. I still remember before the draft, Woj calling it a 2 person draft and downplaying Barrett.
Dolan really kills the Knicks because of his persona as much as his meddling.
A torned Achilles and LCL was only way to prevent the obvious outcome.
Harkless and the Wizards trade. Wizards only got a #2 but they got cheap young players as opposed to bad contracts.
As for the renting capspace, we dont know if that is a thing right now. We saw exactly one trade so far that was picks for capspace, ONE. And since most big FA have signed i doubt we see more. Will there be in season opportunities, maybe, shoudl the knicks have saved like 10 mill in space, probably, but we dont know. Its like there were teams just throwing around first round picks and the knicks werent interested.
I understand your first point and it’s fair. But if I were the Knicks i would have targeted Randle, Reddick, Brogdon and Looney. Pay more for those guys on longer deals but getting better players. You can always trade a quality guy like that.
As for the picks, there was one at the draft and 2 in free agency that exchanged 1st round picks in salary dumps. And the last 2 were for expiring contracts- not the Wiggins/Wall deals. I have no idea why the Knicks weren’t in on this.