How are we all feeling? Personally, I like what they’re doing. The highlights:
-Young, hungry players on short term contracts competing. Hopefully this helps everyone get better.
-All future draft picks in place in addition to picks from the KP trade.
-Maintaining cap flexibility going forward.
If there is one thing I’ve realized, tanking is way overblown. The Knicks don’t be a FA destination until they win. Going out there and competing is the next thing for them right now. Need to build a culture.
I completely disagree with this. To me this seems like looking at a situation and disregarding nuance: It's like saying that the Knicks were bad last year, they are supposed to be bad this year, it must be that nothing has changed and they will be bad forever. When from many people's perspective, even though they still won't be that good of a team this year, the Knicks are finally building a team in a responsible and systematic way. Acknowledging that the team will still be bad but in an effort to slowly build a solid foundation allows for the possibility that things may eventually break their way.
To me it's like if you had a friend who was overweight. That friend, who is still overweight, then began to eat right and exercise. The argument presented here would tell the friend that there is no point in eating right and exercising because they still have the same brain and are doomed to fail because change is impossible. The only hope for the person to be thin is liposuction and a lobotomy. Obviously I disagree with that argument and feel like the best course of action would be to support the friend in the hopes that they can continue eating right and exercising and eventually attain their goal.
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Knicks have one slot remaining on 15-man roster and with Kornet to the Bulls, Lance Thomas favorite to land slot, per source.
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Knicks have one slot remaining on 15-man roster and with Kornet to the Bulls, Lance Thomas favorite to land slot, per source.
It wouldn't surprise me. It's apparent that coaches appreciate him. Through multiple GM's and countless of head coaches they have not only kept him on the roster but regularly used him.
Jay Williams, an ESPN broadcaster and Durant buddy, told The Post the free-agent superstar had associates trying to pull him toward Broadway over Barclays Center.
“To give insight, there were people in his camp that wanted him to go to the Knicks,’’ Williams said in a phone interview. “It’s not like: Here’s the Brooklyn Nets and that’s it. Kevin’s his own dude. His relationship with Kyrie [Irving] was the differentiator to the whole thing.”
Williams may have been referring to Durant’s agent/manager Rich Kleiman, a New York resident and Williams’ business partner on the ESPN+ show “The Boardroom.”
Williams also clarified earlier comments he made on a podcast suggesting Durant would have given more consideration to the Knicks if they hadn’t traded Porzingis.
Williams said he was parroting a conversation on Stephen A. Smith’s radio show in which Smith brought up Durant nicknaming Porzingis “The Unicorn’’ and perhaps wanting to play with him.
Williams said it was no factor.
“It was something Stephen A. said earlier, and I referenced it,’’ Williams said. “I don’t think it had anything to do with Porzingis. It was not the difference-maker with the Knicks and Kevin.”
Williams said he believes Durant did not want to pass on an opportunity to live in New York and unite with Irving like they did on the 2016 Olympic team. The Porzingis trade opened up that possibility. Williams disputed owner James Dolan played a role.
“I think they’re more than friends,’’ Williams said of Durant and Irving. “They’re like brothers. It’s not just like, ‘Hey we’re a friend.’ That relationship to him is very special. In the culture of basketball, people are trying to tear you apart and go different ways. They took the journey they had and they really understand each other. It came down to his relationship with Kyrie. It was a difference-maker, man.”
Williams can’t say if Durant would have been more emboldened to join the Knicks solo if he didn’t rupture his Achilles tendon and have Irving as a crosstown rival.
As much as Williams says the “Knicks, Nets, Golden State were really, really there on the table,” it sounded like New York’s teams were the front-runners.....
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But I thought it was Dolan and the poisoned culture he's cultivated...
I agree with this.
Because they already have good depth, while the Lakers have like 4 players
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why arent more vets signing with the nets? i am surprised
Because they already have good depth, while the Lakers have like 4 players
the nets have good depth? , who is their starting and back up 4?
back up shooting guard? back up point?
nets hardly have depth
My favorite signings we did were Randle and Portis. Both guys are young and talented. Happy to have them
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why arent more vets signing with the nets? i am surprised
Because they already have good depth, while the Lakers have like 4 players
the nets have good depth? , who is their starting and back up 4?
back up shooting guard? back up point?
nets hardly have depth
Hardly any depth? Aside from Kyrie, Dinwiddie, Levert, Prince, Harris, Jordan, Hollis-Jefferson, Kurucs, Allen, Temple. That's 9 rotation players right there.
Back up point? Spencer Dinwiddie, pretty damn good back up point
At the four, there's no traditional four, but with Deandre, they can space the lineup with shooters. They have a lot of versatile players that can play multiple positions.
Don't know why he's still on Net page on ESPN, LOL. Deandre is strong presence inside, so you don't need a traditional four in that sense. You could get away with playing combo forwards, like how you see the warriors, bucks, and raptors do it. Guys like Middleton, tobias. Obviously Nets dont have those guys so they'll have to figure it out, probably need to add one more guy.
Like it or not, Durant and Kyrie were absolutely correct to head for a team where they were the completion of a base of players, not the beginning.
If Barrett, Mitchell, Knox, Randle and one or two of the other guys can grow into mature, complete players, the Knicks will be able to attract talent to go with that. The way Perry et al designed this, with 5 team option second years and a bunch of future #1 picks, gives them a real opportunity if the youngsters show real talent. The Garden IS a great place to play, if you have a full, talented team.
I agree.
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He remains an UFA. Also I don’t really get your DeAndre point. How does he enable you to run with 4 shooters?
Don't know why he's still on Net page on ESPN, LOL. Deandre is strong presence inside, so you don't need a traditional four in that sense. You could get away with playing combo forwards, like how you see the warriors, bucks, and raptors do it. Guys like Middleton, tobias. Obviously Nets dont have those guys so they'll have to figure it out, probably need to add one more guy.
deandre is not a force anymore, dude is washed, he isnnot protecting anything
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But I thought it was Dolan and the poisoned culture he's cultivated...
Media nonsense talking points.
If Durant was healthy, he would've chosen the Knicks and been a lot more likely to convince another star to come with him. With him injured and the state of the Knicks roster, the other stars weren't interested and Kyrie pulled him across town. Making everything under the sun about Dolan is just dumb.
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Why can’t we have a Knick thread and a Nets thread and then each fan base can discuss their team not both teams?
In comment 14490469 Greg from LI said:
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I can't deal with a SIXTH(!!!!!!) season of Lance Thomas.
Um. Isn't that why they brought in Taj Gibson, Reggie Bullock, Wayne Ellington? How many veterans do you need on a roster? Heck, Portis is going into year 5, Payton year 6. They have more than enough "veterans" on this roster.
The Jazz also reached agreement with free-agent point guard Emmanuel Mudiay on a one-year deal, sources told ESPN.
No it isn’t. They’ll never land free agents if the consistently win below 25 games.
And the kid from Oregon, Kenny Wooten, is on our summer league team - he's someone I'd rather see than Lance. (I guess almost anyone is, but specifically ...)
Why can’t we have a Knick thread and a Nets thread and then each fan base can discuss their team not both teams?
Because nobody cares about the Nets, if they had a thread for the team it would get maybe 15 replies. Trolling the Knicks thread is really the only option they have if they want to talk basketball.
They just signed Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant 2 days ago and are already an afterthought. Everything you see from the talking heads now is centered around where will Kawhi land and reactions to the Knicks missing out or what do the Knicks do next. Even when the Nets hit it big, everyone still would rather discuss the Knicks.
Sounds like a Bitchsmack Biyombo. He'd lose a one-on-none game.
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The Nets are just another franchise like the Celts and Sixers. Why does every thread end up in a debate about the Nets, or the culture of the Nets or who is better on the Nets.
Why can’t we have a Knick thread and a Nets thread and then each fan base can discuss their team not both teams?
Because nobody cares about the Nets, if they had a thread for the team it would get maybe 15 replies. Trolling the Knicks thread is really the only option they have if they want to talk basketball.
They just signed Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant 2 days ago and are already an afterthought. Everything you see from the talking heads now is centered around where will Kawhi land and reactions to the Knicks missing out or what do the Knicks do next. Even when the Nets hit it big, everyone still would rather discuss the Knicks.
I really don't understand these ridiculous comments. Why do some feel the need to call out the size of another fan base?
Wow a team that was once in NJ and is now in Brooklyn has a smaller fan base than a NY team! That is so shocking? Does the size of a fan base have any affect on basketball knowledge or team performance?
As a Knicks fan this offseason has been a huge let down. The Nets deserve credit for attracting both Durant and Irving and they are headed in the right direction. The Knicks have some exciting young players in Barrett and Robinson but the Nets are a much better current team. Who gives a shit about the size of their fan base.
Not just NJ - how could you forget the Island Garden in West Hempstead, much less the Nassau Coliseum?
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The Nets are just another franchise like the Celts and Sixers. Why does every thread end up in a debate about the Nets, or the culture of the Nets or who is better on the Nets.
Why can’t we have a Knick thread and a Nets thread and then each fan base can discuss their team not both teams?
Because nobody cares about the Nets, if they had a thread for the team it would get maybe 15 replies. Trolling the Knicks thread is really the only option they have if they want to talk basketball.
They just signed Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant 2 days ago and are already an afterthought. Everything you see from the talking heads now is centered around where will Kawhi land and reactions to the Knicks missing out or what do the Knicks do next. Even when the Nets hit it big, everyone still would rather discuss the Knicks.
I really don't understand these ridiculous comments. Why do some feel the need to call out the size of another fan base?
Wow a team that was once in NJ and is now in Brooklyn has a smaller fan base than a NY team! That is so shocking? Does the size of a fan base have any affect on basketball knowledge or team performance?
As a Knicks fan this offseason has been a huge let down. The Nets deserve credit for attracting both Durant and Irving and they are headed in the right direction. The Knicks have some exciting young players in Barrett and Robinson but the Nets are a much better current team. Who gives a shit about the size of their fan base.
Just spit balling, but maybe because even when the thread title states "Knicks chat" Nets fans seem to want to chime in about their own team. Why is that?
If the thread was titled NBA chat, that would be all well and good, but it's not.
its quite upsetting, i usually go courtside nets 2-3 times a year--- i think the line will be longer or the ask quite a bit higher this year- which is funny cause its not like they will even have KD- so early on the product should only be marginally better
My uncle was in high school then and said how they used to go to games just for something to do, the tickets were so cheap and the arena would be mostly empty. They were so desperate for attendance that they did weird promotions like Bread Night - come to the game and you get a free loaf of bread.
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Not just NJ - how could you forget the Island Garden in West Hempstead, much less the Nassau Coliseum?
My uncle was in high school then and said how they used to go to games just for something to do, the tickets were so cheap and the arena would be mostly empty. They were so desperate for attendance that they did weird promotions like Bread Night - come to the game and you get a free loaf of bread.
i used sit 3 rows from the court behind visters bench when they were in jersey
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Not just NJ - how could you forget the Island Garden in West Hempstead, much less the Nassau Coliseum?
My uncle was in high school then and said how they used to go to games just for something to do, the tickets were so cheap and the arena would be mostly empty. They were so desperate for attendance that they did weird promotions like Bread Night - come to the game and you get a free loaf of bread.
Those were the days. I was away in college during most of those years so didn't get to many games given the season, but I got to some. The 1973-74 championship team was great though - with Dr J, Billy Paultz, Larry Kenon, John Williamson et al. Fun team to watch.