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CBA Talks To Ramp Up Between NFL & NFLPA

EddieNYG : 7/2/2019 12:28 pm
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@AdamSchefter

NFL and NFLPA engaged in talks in an effort to secure a new CBA before the start of the 2019 regular season, sources close to the negotiations told @DanGrazianoESPN.


The current CBA expires after the 2020 season.
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Get it DONE  
djstat : 7/2/2019 12:50 pm : link
Don't screw this up
I'm not optimistic  
Pork Chop : 7/2/2019 1:05 pm : link
I think the players still feel the sting of the last CBA. I don't know if it was a fair deal or not (although everyone signed), but the PR for the players after it was announced was dreadful. The headlines were that the players rolled over and got a bad deal--I'm very worried that the union is going to be really tough to not allow that to happen again.
I would like to know  
superspynyg : 7/2/2019 1:13 pm : link
what the main wants/issues are for both sides.

RE: I'm not optimistic  
djstat : 7/2/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14489654 Pork Chop said:
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I think the players still feel the sting of the last CBA. I don't know if it was a fair deal or not (although everyone signed), but the PR for the players after it was announced was dreadful. The headlines were that the players rolled over and got a bad deal--I'm very worried that the union is going to be really tough to not allow that to happen again.
I think the issue for the players was they held out for a gross percentage which they got. The reason it was a bad deal for them, during the early years of the deal the cap stayed flat with minimal growth. Where as now it is going up significantly each year.

The players got reduced practice time, elimination of two a days and they agreed with a rookie wage scale because the vets were getting cooked.

The players got a bad deal because DeMaurice Smith is an idiot and agreed to the 89% spending to be over four years, allowing teams to sit on cash and cap space for years.

the lack of guarantees  
giants#1 : 7/2/2019 1:47 pm : link
especially relative to other sports leagues (MLB, NBA), was also a major downside, but with a hard cap, much larger roster, and higher injury risk teams need the higher flexibility. Or at least cap relief for players on IR.
I believe the two biggest things are  
jc in c-ville : 7/2/2019 1:48 pm : link
Owners want an 18 game regular schedule and the players want to be able to smoke weed.

The owners, us, the school crossing guard all know that NFL players smoke for recreational use and pain mgmt. Pretty much the entire NBA is smoking and they have been able to thrive.

The smart play from Roger is adapting to the rest of society regarding weed. If the owners come to the players with that, along with perhaps limiting Thursday night games weekly, the players will happily go for an 18 game regular season schedule, with some other tweaks as well.
as for major asks they want  
giants#1 : 7/2/2019 1:49 pm : link
My guess:
NFLPA: more guaranteed $ and higher share of revenue split (or at least more streams of revenue being included).

Owners: 18 game schedule
Here's an article on the matter  
Rocky369 : 7/2/2019 1:52 pm : link
with opinions of some guys that would be plugged in.
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RE: I believe the two biggest things are  
giants#1 : 7/2/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14489707 jc in c-ville said:
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Owners want an 18 game regular schedule and the players want to be able to smoke weed.

The owners, us, the school crossing guard all know that NFL players smoke for recreational use and pain mgmt. Pretty much the entire NBA is smoking and they have been able to thrive.

The smart play from Roger is adapting to the rest of society regarding weed. If the owners come to the players with that, along with perhaps limiting Thursday night games weekly, the players will happily go for an 18 game regular season schedule, with some other tweaks as well.


Good point re: weed, though I doubt players would trade that for increased revenue split.

A better method for suspensions is hopefully on the table too. The current method with Goodell as judge, jury, and executioner just isn't working (for either side).
Guaranteed money  
JohnG in Albany : 7/2/2019 2:00 pm : link
I don't see where that's part of the CBA.

Player contracts are negotiated individually with varying percentages of guaranteed money.

I'm not sure, but I don't think there's anything in the MLB and NBA CBA's that says all contracts are fully guaranteed.

I thought it just became the industry standard in those two leagues.

I can think of a dozen reasons to delay serious  
Marty in Albany : 7/2/2019 2:40 pm : link
negotiations until well into 2020. (I presume that the 2020 season ends with the Super Bowl some time in Feb 2021.)

I can only think of one reason why it will get done in 2019: If both sides think that 2020 will bring changes in anti-trust or labor laws that might adversely affect their negotiating position.
Well in addition, as time passes, the issue of NFL inflicted injuries  
Marty in Albany : 7/2/2019 2:44 pm : link
will become more clearly defined either worsening or improving the NFL's position on compensation to injured players. So that might also be a reason to move negotiation along.
the Commissioner's unbridled disciplinary powers  
HomerJones45 : 7/2/2019 2:51 pm : link
will be an issue. Right now, the Commissioner can just declare suspensions which cost the player hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Remember, no more automatic dues deduction as players can check out of the union. The union must deliver for members or risk losing them.
RE: the Commissioner's unbridled disciplinary powers  
Big Blue '56 : 7/2/2019 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14489796 HomerJones45 said:
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will be an issue. Right now, the Commissioner can just declare suspensions which cost the player hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Remember, no more automatic dues deduction as players can check out of the union. The union must deliver for members or risk losing them.


Didn’t know that. That was agreed upon in last CBA?
Commissioner's disciplinary powers  
JohnG in Albany : 7/2/2019 2:58 pm : link
Mike Golic has always made what I thought was a good point on this matter.

He said it's a very small percentage of players who actually run into trouble.

He said the rest of the players are not going to be willing to miss games (strike) or make other concessions just to make it better for the small percentage of players who end up in the disciplinary process.

Kind of makes sense to me.

I still think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 9:56 am : link
it is extremely hypocritical that the league implicitly allows the use of PED's but has problems with recreational use of pot.
RE: Commissioner's disciplinary powers  
giants#1 : 7/3/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14489813 JohnG in Albany said:
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Mike Golic has always made what I thought was a good point on this matter.

He said it's a very small percentage of players who actually run into trouble.

He said the rest of the players are not going to be willing to miss games (strike) or make other concessions just to make it better for the small percentage of players who end up in the disciplinary process.

Kind of makes sense to me.


I can see that with regards to domestic violence (and cheating) suspensions, but I think the union will push for removing pot from the banned substance list.

It's a similar reaction to the franchise tag from what I've read. The elite players dislike them because it keeps their salaries down (slightly) and restricts their movement, but the other 99% of players aren't willing to concede elsewhere in exchange for eliminating the tags. Plus, if it reduces the salaries of tagged players by a couple million per year, that's extra money available for the remaining players.
RE: I still think..  
giants#1 : 7/3/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14490504 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it is extremely hypocritical that the league implicitly allows the use of PED's but has problems with recreational use of pot.


More hypocritical to prescribe opioids while prohibiting pot.
RE: I still think..  
Big Blue '56 : 7/3/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14490504 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it is extremely hypocritical that the league implicitly allows the use of PED's but has problems with recreational use of pot.


But with PEDs, you don’t get the munchies during the game
I would like to see  
Jay on the Island : 7/3/2019 4:38 pm : link
more practice time added but I am not getting my hopes up.

I think the league will use recreational marijuana as leverage to expand the season to 18 games while decreasing or eliminating the preseason.
Pot won't be a Negotiation  
Rafflee : 7/3/2019 11:39 pm : link
It's stupid business and out of touch for the NFL to continue to tar guys for smoking Pot. The Negotiation needs to be about Money/Revenue Share, Guaranteed Money and Faster Free Agency, Player Safety and Schedule.

If an 18 game season is a true option, everyone can make a lot of money..... both sides aught to run to make a deal!
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