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NFT: FWWC - USA vs. England

Nick in LA : 7/2/2019 2:11 pm
Going to be another big test today.

Golden Ball front runner Megan Rapinoe will not start today.

Lets get em ladies!
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England  
AcidTest : 7/2/2019 4:45 pm : link
now only has 10 women. I assume they are sending on a forward.
the ref  
madgiantscow009 : 7/2/2019 4:45 pm : link
gets a lot of air time. Not a criticism, just a observation.
They showed on angle..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/2/2019 4:45 pm : link
where it was clear there was no contact. You could see a space between the defender and the leg.
England going to be a very good team in 4 years  
Bill2 : 7/2/2019 4:46 pm : link
Lot of young players
RE: England going to be a very good team in 4 years  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14490025 Bill2 said:
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Lot of young players


England is already a very good team
The USA  
Nick in LA : 7/2/2019 4:46 pm : link
is the best team I have ever seen at killing the clock
RE: England going to be a very good team in 4 years  
AcidTest : 7/2/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14490025 Bill2 said:
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Lot of young players


Agreed. Despite her flop, White is a world class player.
reversal on the non-call on white was 100% right call  
ColHowPepper : 7/2/2019 4:49 pm : link
PS awarded after VAR
Carli Lloyd's veteran presence  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 4:54 pm : link
calmed everything down. US on to the final, but England was extremely good and had a shout to win themselves
bummer  
NoPeanutz : 7/2/2019 4:54 pm : link
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A  
AcidTest : 7/2/2019 4:54 pm : link
very good game.
that was a tough match  
FranchiseQB : 7/2/2019 4:55 pm : link
England showed themselves very well..

onto the WC Final!
I like the Netherlands from what I've seen  
Del Shofner : 7/2/2019 4:57 pm : link
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England  
sshin05 : 7/2/2019 4:57 pm : link
had their shot to tie it with the PK, they didnt make it count. Good match.
Referee did a great and fair  
section125 : 7/2/2019 4:58 pm : link
job. Guts to issue the 2nd yellow and then the red. She took no crap. Guts to reverse the non-call and give the PK. (VAR also)

England played great.

Thought the US was a little selfish and should have had 2 goals had Press made a pass to one of two open players and thought Lloyd could have made a pass when she came from the GK's right.

The survived. Think England was the highest rated team left.
got a big chuckle, after Naeher made the save on the PS  
ColHowPepper : 7/2/2019 4:59 pm : link
play is live, it continues, she with the ball in her arms, bear hugs from at least two teammates, I was waiting for a deliberate handling in the PA and another PS (just kidding, sort of, but you don't see that!)
That was a wrong call that led to England's penalty kick...  
M.S. : 7/2/2019 5:01 pm : link

...late in second half!

I don't think the attacker was ever touched by the American. She swung and missed and her own momentum toppled her.

Bad call IMO... could have cost us the game!
RE: They showed on angle..  
Tesla : 7/2/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14490024 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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where it was clear there was no contact. You could see a space between the defender and the leg.


In the angle from directly behind the play it was 100% clear that there was contact with White's leg as she wound up to shoot, which was why she miffed so badly. It was a correct call.
England was incredibly physical.  
yatqb : 7/2/2019 5:02 pm : link
I never played soccer, but it seemed to me that they were quite skilled in developing quick counter attacks. Their two goal were beauties. Glad there was the offsides on the last one.
I agree with Tesla...there was clearly contact.  
yatqb : 7/2/2019 5:03 pm : link
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RE: RE: They showed on angle..  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14490049 Tesla said:
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where it was clear there was no contact. You could see a space between the defender and the leg.



In the angle from directly behind the play it was 100% clear that there was contact with White's leg as she wound up to shoot, which was why she miffed so badly. It was a correct call.


No way, it was either a dive or a complete whiff by White. There's no angle that shows contact
section  
ColHowPepper : 7/2/2019 5:05 pm : link
agree...when the harsh glare of white heat is squarely on you, it takes guts to call what you've seen and to acknowledge what you haven't, and defy the temptation to give in to 'superior force' of players and/or crowd and personalities who believe differently...
RE: RE: RE: They showed on angle..  
Mad Mike : 7/2/2019 5:05 pm : link
In comment 14490052 dpinzow said:
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No way, it was either a dive or a complete whiff by White. There's no angle that shows contact

C'mon, really? It took a lot of angles, but some of this stuff is pretty clear.
Anyway, bad penalty call..if you have to take that long it isn't a pen  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:05 pm : link
worse penalty taken and the US moves on as they were the better team
Let's just say if they call that in the Premier League  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:06 pm : link
VAR will be ditched the very next week
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section125 : 7/2/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14490056 Mad Mike said:
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No way, it was either a dive or a complete whiff by White. There's no angle that shows contact


C'mon, really? It took a lot of angles, but some of this stuff is pretty clear.


There was contact Sauerbraun caught the right leg(trail leg) of White and tripped her. It was very clear on the video from behind.
RE: Let's just say if they call that in the Premier League  
FranchiseQB : 7/2/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14490058 dpinzow said:
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VAR will be ditched the very next week


cmon.. it's a judgement call by the ref. I didn't see contact but you can infer contact by the change of position of her leg. It was bad defense, anyway. And when you have someone falling to the ground on the ball and a kick with possible contact from behind.... you've seen that call before..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: They showed on angle..  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14490062 section125 said:
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No way, it was either a dive or a complete whiff by White. There's no angle that shows contact


C'mon, really? It took a lot of angles, but some of this stuff is pretty clear.



There was contact Sauerbraun caught the right leg(trail leg) of White and tripped her. It was very clear on the video from behind.


Penalties are supposed to be clear and obvious though...if it takes that long to find a scrape of a boot on a leg (which isn't even readily apparent) it's not a penalty. It wasn't the kind of contact that could take a player down either, which also has to be taken into account. Poor application of VAR
reading The Mirror online, lol -  
Del Shofner : 7/2/2019 5:14 pm : link
One fan dubbed Houghton's miss "The most England thing I've ever seen" with another adding: "England and penalties. A tale as old as time".
For those saying no contact....  
Tesla : 7/2/2019 5:14 pm : link
did you see the replay from directly behind the play? I agree the other replays made it look like not contact, but that replay 1000000% showed contact on the backswing.
dpinzow  
ColHowPepper : 7/2/2019 5:14 pm : link
wrong, her right leg was 'tripped' from behind; the contact was inadvertent, but it doesn't matter, it was there in White's natural running motion, Sauerbrun's knee clipped the calf

yellow is called for because PS awarded (negates red)
You can't decide a World Cup on something that nebulous  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:15 pm : link
I get the offside rule in that it's concrete and they have to stick with the interpretation that any part of the body that can legally score a goal has to be onside...

But on penalties, it better be a clear and obvious penalty and that wasn't one, it was a judgment call
RE: dpinzow  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14490072 ColHowPepper said:
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wrong, her right leg was 'tripped' from behind; the contact was inadvertent, but it doesn't matter, it was there in White's natural running motion, Sauerbrun's knee clipped the calf

yellow is called for because PS awarded (negates red)


If it's inadvertent (legs clipping each other) it's not a penalty. There has to be intent to take a player down
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section125 : 7/2/2019 5:16 pm : link
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No way, it was either a dive or a complete whiff by White. There's no angle that shows contact


C'mon, really? It took a lot of angles, but some of this stuff is pretty clear.



There was contact Sauerbraun caught the right leg(trail leg) of White and tripped her. It was very clear on the video from behind.



Penalties are supposed to be clear and obvious though...if it takes that long to find a scrape of a boot on a leg (which isn't even readily apparent) it's not a penalty. It wasn't the kind of contact that could take a player down either, which also has to be taken into account. Poor application of VAR


It was a clear trip. It wasn't incidental contact, nor was intentional. But the right leg was without question interfered with causing White to miss the kick and fall. The ref missed the original, but VAR saw it.
there is no such thing as  
ColHowPepper : 7/2/2019 5:17 pm : link
'clear and obvious' in FIFA's Laws of the Game, IFAB. You are importing American football review standards into WC. Come on.

Never mind that it *was* clear on review, and even the way Sauerbrun went down, there was contact
RE: You can't decide a World Cup on something that nebulous  
FranchiseQB : 7/2/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14490073 dpinzow said:
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I get the offside rule in that it's concrete and they have to stick with the interpretation that any part of the body that can legally score a goal has to be onside...

But on penalties, it better be a clear and obvious penalty and that wasn't one, it was a judgment call


if it's a scrape it is a penalty.. that's the point.. you're interfering with a clear scoring chance. She looked it over and decided it was a pen.
I'm looking at this from a premier league view  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:19 pm : link
I can't wait to see how many penalties Salah draws if VAR is applied like that...
RE: there is no such thing as  
FranchiseQB : 7/2/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14490077 ColHowPepper said:
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'clear and obvious' in FIFA's Laws of the Game, IFAB. You are importing American football review standards into WC. Come on.

Never mind that it *was* clear on review, and even the way Sauerbrun went down, there was contact


bingo.. quite right. it is the ref's judgement. nothing more. clear and obvious is not the standard.
I first thought  
Gman11 : 7/2/2019 5:20 pm : link
White whiffed, but her leg was kicked out from behind.

I don't know England's personnel, but why do you have a defender taking the penalty and not their star forward?
Now you are importing 'intent' into fouls in football?????  
ColHowPepper : 7/2/2019 5:20 pm : link
Stop digging yourself in deeper. Inadvertent fouls are called all game long, every game. It is intentional and/or reckless fouls that warrant cards--that's why they are issued.

In this case yellow was issued for a DOGSO, it would have been a red, but since PS awarded, it's a yellow (rule changed couple of years ago)
RE: I'm looking at this from a premier league view  
FranchiseQB : 7/2/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14490081 dpinzow said:
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I can't wait to see how many penalties Salah draws if VAR is applied like that...


penalties will certainly go up if you apply var to such calls.
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montanagiant : 7/2/2019 5:24 pm : link
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No way, it was either a dive or a complete whiff by White. There's no angle that shows contact


C'mon, really? It took a lot of angles, but some of this stuff is pretty clear.



There was contact Sauerbraun caught the right leg(trail leg) of White and tripped her. It was very clear on the video from behind.



Penalties are supposed to be clear and obvious though...if it takes that long to find a scrape of a boot on a leg (which isn't even readily apparent) it's not a penalty. It wasn't the kind of contact that could take a player down either, which also has to be taken into account. Poor application of VAR



It was a clear trip. It wasn't incidental contact, nor was intentional. But the right leg was without question interfered with causing White to miss the kick and fall. The ref missed the original, but VAR saw it.

She missed the ball prior to the contact
Can't wait 'till  
Stan in LA : 7/2/2019 5:26 pm : link
This Sh*t is over.
RE: I first thought  
shyster : 7/2/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14490083 Gman11 said:
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White whiffed, but her leg was kicked out from behind.

I don't know England's personnel, but why do you have a defender taking the penalty and not their star forward?


Wondered about that myself. If Houghton got it because she is captain I would say thank you very much.

And I do not care who might be best in practice. White has to be looser already having put two in the net on the night.
RE: Now you are importing 'intent' into fouls in football?????  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14490084 ColHowPepper said:
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Stop digging yourself in deeper. Inadvertent fouls are called all game long, every game. It is intentional and/or reckless fouls that warrant cards--that's why they are issued.

In this case yellow was issued for a DOGSO, it would have been a red, but since PS awarded, it's a yellow (rule changed couple of years ago)


I'm just saying if you apply the laws of the game like that to the premier league, guys like Salah, Sterling etc. are way better than the women's strikers and will go down at the first moment they're clipped in the box, and the game will turn into a farce
Do We Want To Play  
Trainmaster : 7/2/2019 5:29 pm : link
Sweden or The Netherlands?
RE: RE: Now you are importing 'intent' into fouls in football?????  
section125 : 7/2/2019 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14490092 dpinzow said:
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Stop digging yourself in deeper. Inadvertent fouls are called all game long, every game. It is intentional and/or reckless fouls that warrant cards--that's why they are issued.

In this case yellow was issued for a DOGSO, it would have been a red, but since PS awarded, it's a yellow (rule changed couple of years ago)



I'm just saying if you apply the laws of the game like that to the premier league, guys like Salah, Sterling etc. are way better than the women's strikers and will go down at the first moment they're clipped in the box, and the game will turn into a farce


Please stop. It was a foul. If that was Morgan or Press you would have wanted it.
RE: RE: RE: Now you are importing 'intent' into fouls in football?????  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14490096 section125 said:
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Stop digging yourself in deeper. Inadvertent fouls are called all game long, every game. It is intentional and/or reckless fouls that warrant cards--that's why they are issued.

In this case yellow was issued for a DOGSO, it would have been a red, but since PS awarded, it's a yellow (rule changed couple of years ago)



I'm just saying if you apply the laws of the game like that to the premier league, guys like Salah, Sterling etc. are way better than the women's strikers and will go down at the first moment they're clipped in the box, and the game will turn into a farce



Please stop. It was a foul. If that was Morgan or Press you would have wanted it.


No I would have been like, that's a dive
Is the final to be played at 11am local time in France?  
BigBlue in Keys : 7/2/2019 5:37 pm : link
That would mean 5am Sunday morning for the east coast? Am I reading that right?
RE: Can't wait 'till  
Mr. Bungle : 7/2/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14490089 Stan in LA said:
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This Sh*t is over.

Why?
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