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section125 : 7/2/2019 6:21 pm



Cannot find the Mets lineup.
Cannot find the nice  
section125 : 7/2/2019 6:26 pm : link
version, but here is what I was able to fine. Hope it is correct.

J. McNeil, RF
P. Alonso, 1B
J. Davis, LF
T. Frazier, 3B
R. Cano, 2B
W. Ramos, C
M. Conforto, CF
A. Rosario, SS
Z. Wheeler, P
That is some line up  
Bill2 : 7/2/2019 6:27 pm : link
Id be amazed if they were not still quite jet lagged.

Some of them at least. Just from observation over time amongst business travelers Some folks get more jetlagged going west than east and some vice versa.
RE: That is some line up  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/2/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14490151 Bill2 said:
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Id be amazed if they were not still quite jet lagged.

Some of them at least. Just from observation over time amongst business travelers Some folks get more jetlagged going west than east and some vice versa.


I thought we might see Tauchman, Romine, etc. tonight. Maybe tomorrow.
Im glad we got some fresh arms for this series  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 6:35 pm : link
They've all been bad this year so far but things have to start evening out eventually right? Can Mickey please use Avilan as a LOOGY this time and not have him coming in for full and even multiple innings? wtf!
Paxton VS Wheeler is interesting...  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 6:36 pm : link
Two similar pitchers IMO talent wise and each team tattooed the other in their prior matchup.
Let's continue what we did in London to the Sox  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/2/2019 6:37 pm : link
and pile on the runs, please. This offense is insane.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 6:56 pm : link
Need Pax to get back on track. He's struggled pretty badly since June. His fastball isn't hitting its spots so his curveball isn't working for him.

Key for him is a quick first inning - that's where so many of the issues have been happening. If he can get through 1 without any damage, I think he'll get into a rhythm and start to get into a zone.
I'm glad  
GruningsOnTheHill : 7/2/2019 7:00 pm : link
they aren't facing Vargas tonight as was listed a few days ago; he really shut them down last time.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 7:16 pm : link
That ball 3 call to Judge might be the first time I've ever seen an umpire correctly call that pitch a ball low with him in the batters box.

I'm still surprised he didn't get rung up.
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Eman11 : 7/2/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14490179 arcarsenal said:
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That ball 3 call to Judge might be the first time I've ever seen an umpire correctly call that pitch a ball low with him in the batters box.

I'm still surprised he didn't get rung up.


I like it and it's about damn time an ump adjusted his normal strike zone for Judge's height.

Here's hoping others take notice and do the same.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14490195 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14490179 arcarsenal said:


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That ball 3 call to Judge might be the first time I've ever seen an umpire correctly call that pitch a ball low with him in the batters box.

I'm still surprised he didn't get rung up.



I like it and it's about damn time an ump adjusted his normal strike zone for Judge's height.

Here's hoping others take notice and do the same.


Right? Would be just a little bit overdue...

Gleyby comes through. 1-0, Yanks. Runners on the corners. Still no out.
Paxton, great bunt  
section125 : 7/2/2019 7:47 pm : link
and Encarnacion with smart base running steals a run. 2-0
Edwin with very good baserunning  
dpinzow : 7/2/2019 7:48 pm : link
but if the catcher fields the ball the pitcher has to go straight to home plate to prevent that possible baserunning play
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 7:50 pm : link
Wheeler is already @ 50 pitches after 2 innings.
Yankees desperately trying to get to Wheeler early  
Vanzetti : 7/2/2019 7:54 pm : link
Cuz they know if the game goes to the Mets revamped bullpen, its lights out, game over, no chance of scoring again.
Went from an ump on  
section125 : 7/2/2019 7:58 pm : link
Sunday that called anything close (or far) for a strike to a guy that won't call strikes even when they are..
That is a fucking ridiculous play  
bigbluehoya : 7/2/2019 7:58 pm : link
Wow
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 7:58 pm : link
Wow, Gleyber.

What a fucking play.
Gleyber is so smooth  
PetesHereNow : 7/2/2019 7:59 pm : link
I literally yelled just get one lol.
Gleyber with a great play  
dune69 : 7/2/2019 7:59 pm : link
he's having fun
Total histrionics from Torres  
Vanzetti : 7/2/2019 8:00 pm : link
Cano makes that play easily
You think Hicks might  
section125 : 7/2/2019 8:04 pm : link
look for a changeup?
Next time he'll get blown away with FBs.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 8:06 pm : link
Couple of crappy AB's for Hicks. Just doesn't seem to be seeing the ball that well still.
The Mets have enough talent to win  
Deejboy : 7/2/2019 8:42 pm : link
They are just a weird mix of players. Brodie doesn't quite understand how to fit in pieces
Think Bill's right - they're playing like they're jet lagged  
Greg from LI : 7/2/2019 8:49 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 8:54 pm : link
The problem with the Mets is they don't have depth.

There's no pitching depth when a starter goes down, there's barely anyone in the bullpen who can get outs on a regular basis.

The bench is weak, and the farm system isn't good either.

McNeil is a really good hitter and Alonso looks like he's got superstar potential. That guy is for real. I still think Conforto has the ability to become a terrific hitter.. Dom Smith finally looks like he's come into his own.. but Rosario has been a major disappointment. Cano has flat sucked.

Seems like Frazier has picked up and JD Davis seems like it was a pretty good move.

But.. the Mets should really be selling at the deadline and should be trying to find ways to add younger talent.

The Cano trade looks horrible in retrospect.

The major black cloud is always going to be ownership. Until those guys are out of there, this is just going to be what the Mets are. A couple of competitive seasons per decade when things really align, and most of the rest will be like this.. where the season is already close to over in early July.

They really just aren't committed to winning. They're content as long as they're in the green at seasons' end each year. So, this is what you get.. a few good players who can be good pieces of a good baseball team - but a front office that is unwilling to spend the money and make the moves necessary to really compete or build a sustainable winner.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 8:56 pm : link
Huge K for Paxton... I would have maybe just walked Alonso there. That was a key AB. One swing could have put the Mets on top.

Pax has been pretty good tonight. This ump has a really, really tight strike zone so he's really not getting any help. Encouraging to see him pitch well not only on the road where he's really had a hard time, but also against a lineup that really kind of pounded him last time.
RE: You think Hicks might  
section125 : 7/2/2019 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14490212 section125 said:
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look for a changeup?
Next time he'll get blown away with FBs.


There you go....looked for the FB and got it.
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Percy : 7/2/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14490237 arcarsenal said:
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The problem with the Mets is they don't have depth.

There's no pitching depth when a starter goes down, there's barely anyone in the bullpen who can get outs on a regular basis.

The bench is weak, and the farm system isn't good either.

McNeil is a really good hitter and Alonso looks like he's got superstar potential. That guy is for real. I still think Conforto has the ability to become a terrific hitter.. Dom Smith finally looks like he's come into his own.. but Rosario has been a major disappointment. Cano has flat sucked.

Seems like Frazier has picked up and JD Davis seems like it was a pretty good move.

But.. the Mets should really be selling at the deadline and should be trying to find ways to add younger talent.

The Cano trade looks horrible in retrospect.

The major black cloud is always going to be ownership. Until those guys are out of there, this is just going to be what the Mets are. A couple of competitive seasons per decade when things really align, and most of the rest will be like this.. where the season is already close to over in early July.

They really just aren't committed to winning. They're content as long as they're in the green at seasons' end each year. So, this is what you get.. a few good players who can be good pieces of a good baseball team - but a front office that is unwilling to spend the money and make the moves necessary to really compete or build a sustainable winner.

Hard to disagree. Think they should sell us deGrom for players?
A bunch of missed opportunities  
Greg from LI : 7/2/2019 9:05 pm : link
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And now a homer to this hump  
Greg from LI : 7/2/2019 9:08 pm : link
Cmon
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 9:08 pm : link
I think if the Mets were going to deal deGrom, last year was when it was going to happen. At this point, I think they're probably going to try and build around him as a cornerstone TOR pitcher.

It's really not a terrible idea as it's the one guy that they'd be able to get a really nice haul for, but I think they'll look to move Wheeler first and foremost instead - they're not even willing to pay him.

Not sure there's value in even dangling Syndergaard right now - they wouldn't get proper return.

They can recoup some assets via trade, but it's just difficult to build a winning team when there just isn't a real commitment to winning at the top. They're hamstrung by ownership. Any GM that comes in there needs to be extremely asset-savvy and has very little margin for error.

Simply signing Kimbrel rather than going in this roundabout way of acquiring Diaz at the cost of your top hitting prospect and saddling yourself with an aging Cano would have made a heck of a lot more sense - but when you have cheap, frugal owners who are always trying to save a buck - you wind up with something like that instead.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 9:09 pm : link
Bah. Yanks haven't been able to cash in with men on base.

Hopefully Pax can keep the 1 run lead in tact through 6 - if we can get into a bullpen game, we should be alright.
Yankees crush two balls  
section125 : 7/2/2019 9:10 pm : link
get nothing...
Davis goes oppo and gets the HR.
Noticed Paxton never gets a swing  
section125 : 7/2/2019 9:13 pm : link
on that inside fastball. Must have thrown a dozen, and not one swing.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 9:14 pm : link
Jeez. Zero calls. How is that not a strike?
Ramos  
MookGiants : 7/2/2019 9:14 pm : link
didn't for even a second think that was a ball yet the jerkoff umpire calls it a ball. Amazing. Incompetent fuck
Paxton Has Had Enough  
Percy : 7/2/2019 9:15 pm : link
Take him out now.
Everybody but this jackass  
section125 : 7/2/2019 9:15 pm : link
umpire knew that was a strike. Even Ramos...Truly embarrassing.
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ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14490237 arcarsenal said:
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The problem with the Mets is they don't have depth.

There's no pitching depth when a starter goes down, there's barely anyone in the bullpen who can get outs on a regular basis.

The bench is weak, and the farm system isn't good either.

McNeil is a really good hitter and Alonso looks like he's got superstar potential. That guy is for real. I still think Conforto has the ability to become a terrific hitter.. Dom Smith finally looks like he's come into his own.. but Rosario has been a major disappointment. Cano has flat sucked.

Seems like Frazier has picked up and JD Davis seems like it was a pretty good move.

But.. the Mets should really be selling at the deadline and should be trying to find ways to add younger talent.

The Cano trade looks horrible in retrospect.

The major black cloud is always going to be ownership. Until those guys are out of there, this is just going to be what the Mets are. A couple of competitive seasons per decade when things really align, and most of the rest will be like this.. where the season is already close to over in early July.

They really just aren't committed to winning. They're content as long as they're in the green at seasons' end each year. So, this is what you get.. a few good players who can be good pieces of a good baseball team - but a front office that is unwilling to spend the money and make the moves necessary to really compete or build a sustainable winner.


I love you Arc and Im sure this post makes you feel extra proud of switching teams. This is your "I was right" moment. Good for you! But most of this isnt really accurate. You've sprinkled in a bunch of old narratives and summed it all up in a neat little bow but being this is a Mets/Yankees thread Im going to disagree probably to nobody's surprise.

The Wilpons suck for getting in bed with Madoff as well as many other bad mistakes over the years on top of it and it seems like they made another knee jerk reaction hiring BVW and Mickey before him. I agree there.

Also the bullpen is a disaster this year which is why we are where we are. It looked pretty good on paper heading in. But facts are facts, it has completely sucked and we have more than 20 blown saves now, by far the most in the majors...

This isnt a rebuild roster though and depth and spending money are not issues that need to be addressed. We are at the luxury tax so spending is no longer an excuse. At least not right now. Also the farm is not bad at all, more like top 10-12 and Sandy keeps getting proven right for almost every high pick he ever took. Conforto, Nimmo, Dominic, McNeil, Alonso, Davis is more than "just a couple of good players" Rosario also keeps showing signs but he's very inconsistent. Our rotation is still excellent even with a few guys underperforming. I get really tired of hearing about depth in the rotation. Who is signing proven starting pitching and stashing it in AAA? It's ludicrous. As for the vets we went after? It is what it is... We sprinkled in Cano, Lowrie, and Ramos. All three played at an extremely high level and two were all stars last season. None have been great and Lowrie has been out all year. The Yankees go after washed up DJ LeMahieu who nobody wanted and it turns to gold. Last year he crushed the Mets for signing Bruce, Frazier, Swarzak, and Vargas. All have been good this year... For whatever reason it just hasn't come together. So Mets right?

The pen has been an abomination and this last week might have sunk our season, but the future is still bright with this nucleus. We need to figure out Wheeler or his replacement and re-tool the pen. That's about it.

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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 9:17 pm : link
Massive DP for the MAPE.
Well, That's An Even Better Way  
Percy : 7/2/2019 9:18 pm : link
To get there.
Paxton stayed  
dune69 : 7/2/2019 9:19 pm : link
tough. Good scramble.
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Eman11 : 7/2/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14490266 arcarsenal said:
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Massive DP for the MAPE.


Those two guys are a sweet double play combo.

Just goes to show how insanely talented they both are for Gleyber to have played most of the year at SS, and Didi missing all those months. They didn't have a spring working together this year but you'd never know it the way they turn the DP.
Wheeler deserved better support  
steve in ky : 7/2/2019 9:23 pm : link
from the offense
Bad call on 3-1  
black aces : 7/2/2019 9:23 pm : link
To Torres. This guy behind the plate sucks.
Nice outing Zack...  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 9:23 pm : link
This is where it will completely go to shit now... lol
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 9:25 pm : link
Z, all due respect but I haven't seen a single person claim the Mets have a top 10-12 farm system right now. It's simply not good. They're nowhere near top 10. They're likely not even top 20.

How you can keep saying that spending isn't an issue is crazy to me... but we never agreed on that before and probably aren't going to now.

DJ LeMahieu was never "washed up"

If you want to talk about ludicrous bullshit, that's the biggest BS statement in this entire thread. The guy was just a batting champ like 2 years prior to NYY singing him.
Now the dumbass calls a pitch  
section125 : 7/2/2019 9:27 pm : link
3 inches outside a strike on Gardner. He doesn't call them when they are strikes and now he calls one outside. Pathetic
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 9:29 pm : link
DJ was even an all star in 2017.

Washed up.. LOL.

Cmon. What a crock of shit.
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ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14490274 arcarsenal said:
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Z, all due respect but I haven't seen a single person claim the Mets have a top 10-12 farm system right now. It's simply not good. They're nowhere near top 10. They're likely not even top 20.

How you can keep saying that spending isn't an issue is crazy to me... but we never agreed on that before and probably aren't going to now.

DJ LeMahieu was never "washed up"

If you want to talk about ludicrous bullshit, that's the biggest BS statement in this entire thread. The guy was just a batting champ like 2 years prior to NYY singing him.


Ok. Not a single person? Law had us at 14 AFTER the Kelenic trade and before we drafted 3 first round talents in the most recent draft. We are mid pack at absolute worst after the recent draft and every likely closer to 10-12 heading into next year. Will be happy to re-visit this offseason.

There's nothing to disagree with about the money. The Mets are at the luxury tax. Unless you are advocating them going over the luxury tax and getting penalized there's not a lot more they can do. Yeah Cespedes ( a guy you wanted) is hamstringing them a bit but they really arent being cheap anymore and they certainly spent this last offseason as well.

As for DJ? He had a injured, crappy year last year and was in the same camp as guys like Lowrie. In fact they both got almost identical contracts money wise, which was not a lot. Im not saying there was no way he would be good, but it's also the exact type of move that the Mets got applauded for at the time (Lowrie was coming off an excellent all star season) but it just didn't go our way. Not faulting the Yanks at all. Good for them.

In any event, not looking to argue... Just wanted to say my peace about this current team. Im happy for you.
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So, this is what real  
section125 : 7/2/2019 9:39 pm : link
baseball looks like? 2-1 going into the 8th?
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ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14490276 arcarsenal said:
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DJ was even an all star in 2017.

Washed up.. LOL.

Cmon. What a crock of shit.


Lowrie and Ramos were all stars in 2018 and Cano was the all star MVP in 2017. That's exactly my point.
Need a bomb for insurance  
jgambrosio : 7/2/2019 9:42 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 9:44 pm : link
The problem with the payroll stuff is that you have to look at how it's allocated. If you look at total payroll, it'll tell you the Mets are top 10.

If you look at active roster payroll, they're closer to 20 and below league average.

They have more injured player payroll on the books than any other team in baseball outside of the Yankees.

The difference is that the Yankees 25-man payroll is still top 5 in the majors (4)

The Mets are/have been collecting insurance on guys like Wright and Cespedes I assume. So, they're recouping some money that way - but probably aren't reinvesting it in the team.

Maybe the recent draft crop will get them in near the top 10 - I know signing Allen was a big deal and it was a risk to take him because of that. But I'm assuming Law was including Alonso in his pre-season rank, too - so without Alonso in the system and now being graduated, that's going to offset things a bit.
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14490285 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 14490276 arcarsenal said:


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DJ was even an all star in 2017.

Washed up.. LOL.

Cmon. What a crock of shit.



Lowrie and Ramos were all stars in 2018 and Cano was the all star MVP in 2017. That's exactly my point.


Still doesn't mean LeMahieu was washed up before he turned 30 years old. A down year can happen, injuries can happen.

Cano is a different animal. He's already 36 years old, got nailed for PED's and is now 36 years old and still signed through age 40.

Lowrie is getting old, too. He's 35.

The Yankees didn't merely get lucky with LeMahieu. They did their homework - and while I'm sure they didn't expect him to be quite THIS good - I do think they had a pretty good idea that he'd succeed here.
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ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14490288 arcarsenal said:
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The problem with the payroll stuff is that you have to look at how it's allocated. If you look at total payroll, it'll tell you the Mets are top 10.

If you look at active roster payroll, they're closer to 20 and below league average.

They have more injured player payroll on the books than any other team in baseball outside of the Yankees.

The difference is that the Yankees 25-man payroll is still top 5 in the majors (4)

The Mets are/have been collecting insurance on guys like Wright and Cespedes I assume. So, they're recouping some money that way - but probably aren't reinvesting it in the team.

Maybe the recent draft crop will get them in near the top 10 - I know signing Allen was a big deal and it was a risk to take him because of that. But I'm assuming Law was including Alonso in his pre-season rank, too - so without Alonso in the system and now being graduated, that's going to offset things a bit.


They settled with Wright so that's done and Cespedes's insurance likely doesnt get paid out in the year he's injured and it certainly wouldnt allow the Mets to go over the luxury tax. That's not how the system works so the Mets can only play within the rules whether they recoup money later or not. I agree the Mets have a lot of talent on the IL but what are they supposed to do? You wanted Cespedes as much as anyone. That's 30 million AAV sucking up the payroll. He had the calcium deposits removed from his ankles so he would finally be pain free and be healthy for the second half this year at least and the guy trips in hole on his farm and breaks both his ankles... You just cant make it up and its not ALL the Mets fault.
There we go  
steve in ky : 7/2/2019 9:54 pm : link
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Ottavino with jet lag.  
section125 : 7/2/2019 9:55 pm : link
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And Ill just disagree about LeMahieu  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 9:55 pm : link
His great season was 2016 btw not 2017. And coming into this season as a 30 year old it was basically his only good season ever with a bunch of REALLY bad seasons surrounding it. He's a career 94 wRC+ bat today even with his all star 2019 year.

He definitely had warts this offseason. Again, not saying he was guaranteed to be bad or good but he was absolutely in the same tier as guys like Lowrie, etc.
I'm just glad we ended up with DJ and not Lowrie.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/2/2019 9:59 pm : link
Talk about a W.
RE: And Ill just disagree about LeMahieu  
Eman11 : 7/2/2019 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14490299 ZGiants98 said:
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His great season was 2016 btw not 2017. And coming into this season as a 30 year old it was basically his only good season ever with a bunch of REALLY bad seasons surrounding it. He's a career 94 wRC+ bat today even with his all star 2019 year.

He definitely had warts this offseason. Again, not saying he was guaranteed to be bad or good but he was absolutely in the same tier as guys like Lowrie, etc.


When you call a guy washed up that's pretty much the same thing as guaranteeing he'll be bad.

Also their age difference alone puts him on a different tier than Lowrie IMO.
RE: And Ill just disagree about LeMahieu  
section125 : 7/2/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14490299 ZGiants98 said:
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His great season was 2016 btw not 2017. And coming into this season as a 30 year old it was basically his only good season ever with a bunch of REALLY bad seasons surrounding it. He's a career 94 wRC+ bat today even with his all star 2019 year.

He definitely had warts this offseason. Again, not saying he was guaranteed to be bad or good but he was absolutely in the same tier as guys like Lowrie, etc.


Have you looked at LeMahieu's numbers? he's a lifetime .304 BA. So, yeah he's had a bunch of really bad seasons..
RE: RE: And Ill just disagree about LeMahieu  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14490302 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14490299 ZGiants98 said:


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His great season was 2016 btw not 2017. And coming into this season as a 30 year old it was basically his only good season ever with a bunch of REALLY bad seasons surrounding it. He's a career 94 wRC+ bat today even with his all star 2019 year.

He definitely had warts this offseason. Again, not saying he was guaranteed to be bad or good but he was absolutely in the same tier as guys like Lowrie, etc.



When you call a guy washed up that's pretty much the same thing as guaranteeing he'll be bad.

Also their age difference alone puts him on a different tier than Lowrie IMO.


Not really because one guy was coming off a bad season and one was coming off a terrific season. Recency bias usually wins out... But ok. Fair enough... Washed up might have been too harsh... I guess I meant potentially washed up... I actually think people were surprised he got as much as he did, and again it wasn't much.
RE: Ottavino with jet lag.  
Vanzetti : 7/2/2019 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14490298 section125 said:
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Well his name does mean eight glasses of wine or maybe eight bottles
RE: RE: And Ill just disagree about LeMahieu  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:03 pm : link
In comment 14490303 section125 said:
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In comment 14490299 ZGiants98 said:


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His great season was 2016 btw not 2017. And coming into this season as a 30 year old it was basically his only good season ever with a bunch of REALLY bad seasons surrounding it. He's a career 94 wRC+ bat today even with his all star 2019 year.

He definitely had warts this offseason. Again, not saying he was guaranteed to be bad or good but he was absolutely in the same tier as guys like Lowrie, etc.



Have you looked at LeMahieu's numbers? he's a lifetime .304 BA. So, yeah he's had a bunch of really bad seasons..


he's a below league average offense player for his career also.
Conforto jumped on that  
steve in ky : 7/2/2019 10:03 pm : link
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Nice!!  
Sean : 7/2/2019 10:03 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 10:03 pm : link
All I said was that he was an all star in 2017.. he was.

He was better in 2016.

Lowrie was an all star for the first time in his entire career last year at age 34. Almost the entire rest of his career was entirely non-descript prior to 2017. Half his seasons he was barely replacement level.

LeMahieu has been a better player for a longer period of time. Not even debatable - and you're completely dismissing the defensive side of it. DJ has a better glove and is a superior defensive player.

Lowrie has zero GG's in 11 years. LeMahieu has 3 in 9.

DJ - 1034 career games, 21.4 bWAR
Lowrie - 1109 career games, 17.6 bWAR

LeMahieu > Lowrie
Well that was a brilliant  
section125 : 7/2/2019 10:03 pm : link
move by Boone.

Hope jints is back tomorrow.
About time Conforto  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:04 pm : link
comes through.... Guy has been slumping big time the last two weeks.
And I Thought  
Percy : 7/2/2019 10:04 pm : link
It was London that was the problem. But NOooo!
Bullpen  
MookGiants : 7/2/2019 10:05 pm : link
blew this lead, but the offense blew the game. Wheeler lights up the radar gun, but he's average at best. Needed to put up 4-5 runs tonight to win. Can't win them all but should have scored more runs tonight
RE: RE: RE: And Ill just disagree about LeMahieu  
section125 : 7/2/2019 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14490306 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 14490299 ZGiants98 said:


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His great season was 2016 btw not 2017. And coming into this season as a 30 year old it was basically his only good season ever with a bunch of REALLY bad seasons surrounding it. He's a career 94 wRC+ bat today even with his all star 2019 year.

He definitely had warts this offseason. Again, not saying he was guaranteed to be bad or good but he was absolutely in the same tier as guys like Lowrie, etc.



Have you looked at LeMahieu's numbers? he's a lifetime .304 BA. So, yeah he's had a bunch of really bad seasons..



he's a below league average offense player for his career also.


Keep going. That and his batting title...so yeah, below average.
How do you not run for Ramos there?  
Vanzetti : 7/2/2019 10:06 pm : link
Just gave away a run. Nido is a vastly superior defensive player. Zero reason to leave Ramos in
Dont worry Yankee fans  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:06 pm : link
The 2019 version of Diaz should give you plenty of hope!
Which Diaz will we see tonight  
Ira : 7/2/2019 10:07 pm : link
?
RE: How do you not run for Ramos there?  
steve in ky : 7/2/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14490315 Vanzetti said:
Quote:
Just gave away a run. Nido is a vastly superior defensive player. Zero reason to leave Ramos in


Mickey, the gift that keeps on giving
RE: Bullpen  
section125 : 7/2/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14490313 MookGiants said:
Quote:
blew this lead, but the offense blew the game. Wheeler lights up the radar gun, but he's average at best. Needed to put up 4-5 runs tonight to win. Can't win them all but should have scored more runs tonight


Didn't look average tonight. 15-6 since last June? But Greg hates him, so there is that.
Dear Yankee Fans  
Vanzetti : 7/2/2019 10:09 pm : link
This game is over. Brodie has revamped the pen. Its lockdown. You have zero chance

Go kiss your mom goodnight. Call your girlfriend. Cook some pasta. No reason to watch. You are done. Its over
Wheeler  
MookGiants : 7/2/2019 10:09 pm : link
has gone one good one bad one good one bad for the last 4 years. He's an average pitcher. 4.51 era is average. I know people like his stuff, but he's 29 and probably is what he is at this point. Teases you, has some good years, some bad years.
I have seen more home umps getting hit by the ball this season than  
steve in ky : 7/2/2019 10:10 pm : link
I seem to ever recall happening.
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14490309 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
All I said was that he was an all star in 2017.. he was.

He was better in 2016.

Lowrie was an all star for the first time in his entire career last year at age 34. Almost the entire rest of his career was entirely non-descript prior to 2017. Half his seasons he was barely replacement level.

LeMahieu has been a better player for a longer period of time. Not even debatable - and you're completely dismissing the defensive side of it. DJ has a better glove and is a superior defensive player.

Lowrie has zero GG's in 11 years. LeMahieu has 3 in 9.

DJ - 1034 career games, 21.4 bWAR
Lowrie - 1109 career games, 17.6 bWAR

LeMahieu > Lowrie


Yeah and DJ fWAR 14.5, Lowrie 20.1. So according to fWAR Lowrie > DJ. And my original point was that they were in the same tier... one worked out... one didn't. This is devolving into something totally different now so Ill just bow out.
Typical  
steve in ky : 7/2/2019 10:11 pm : link
.
Here we go!  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:11 pm : link
lol.
Why  
MookGiants : 7/2/2019 10:12 pm : link
did Alonso field that ball? Get to the bag and let Cano field it and its an easy out. Weird play. How that's a single is beyond me. Has to be an error on someone.
RE: I have seen more home umps getting hit by the ball this season than  
MetsAreBack : 7/2/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14490324 steve in ky said:
Quote:
I seem to ever recall happening.


In this case and in far too many Ive seen this year - good

These people arent better than technology or bots - its time to take them out of the game. All other industries deal with automation and cost savings and they simply arent adding value.
Diaz  
MookGiants : 7/2/2019 10:15 pm : link
has thrown some nasty pitches this inning but he just made his first mistake and got away with it. That was a cement mixer. He has too good of stuff to be as brutal as he's been so far this year
What a fucking dumb spot  
bigbluehoya : 7/2/2019 10:17 pm : link
To try to steal a base there.
Horrible strike zone  
black aces : 7/2/2019 10:17 pm : link
all day
.  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 10:17 pm : link
Why is Didi even going there unless they're giving you the base?

It's a 2 run game.

Fucking stupid.
RE: What a fucking dumb spot  
bigbluehoya : 7/2/2019 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14490332 bigbluehoya said:
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To try to steal a base there.


Regardless of the outcome of this review thats some fucking bad baseball by Didi
Close, did the knee block him?  
steve in ky : 7/2/2019 10:17 pm : link
.
Didi's  
MookGiants : 7/2/2019 10:17 pm : link
out. Not sure why he's even running there. They had to be holding him on if he didn't get a good jump. Awful ending
Even the Yankees announcers said out  
MetsAreBack : 7/2/2019 10:19 pm : link
Whatever
That  
MookGiants : 7/2/2019 10:19 pm : link
right there is why I hate replay. There's no excuse for blowing that. He was clearly out. Game should be over. Replay can't get things wrong and far too often replay does get things wrong
Please! Please! Diaz  
GiantBlue : 7/2/2019 10:20 pm : link
Get this save!
.  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 10:20 pm : link
He was out. Should have been called out just based on the sheer stupidity of even trying to take the base to begin with but oh well.

Lucky to get that call. Probably won't matter.

But how the fuck was that pitch called a strike?

Umpiring just keeps getting worse and worse.
Wait  
MookGiants : 7/2/2019 10:21 pm : link
that pitch was called a strike that Ramos threw Didi out on? Jeez. That pitch wasnt even close to being a strike
Game shouldve been overv  
micky : 7/2/2019 10:21 pm : link
Was out
Yes! Yes!  
GiantBlue : 7/2/2019 10:22 pm : link
Yes!
RE: Yes! Yes!  
Gmanfandan : 7/2/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14490345 GiantBlue said:
Quote:
Yes!


YES! and streak is DUN!
LOL, he really juggled that one before catching it  
steve in ky : 7/2/2019 10:23 pm : link
.
Well after a horrific  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:23 pm : link
week and half... Nice job Mets. Let's see if Vargas can confuse this Yanks lineup again tomorrow...
Disaster  
Percy : 7/2/2019 10:23 pm : link
But fun to watch.
Ramos. Not good at catching the ball  
ChaChing : 7/2/2019 10:23 pm : link
That's not important to play catcher is it?

Mets 'streaking'
Arguably Ramos's most athletic  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:23 pm : link
play of the year lol.
Nice W Mets fans  
bigbluehoya : 7/2/2019 10:24 pm : link
See you tomorrow
RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 7/2/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14490341 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
He was out. Should have been called out just based on the sheer stupidity of even trying to take the base to begin with but oh well.

Lucky to get that call. Probably won't matter.

But how the fuck was that pitch called a strike?

Umpiring just keeps getting worse and worse.


Lol its one thing to root for your new team 158 games a year plus playoffs. But Id think with an 11 game lead tonight youd be neutral.

Anyway...
.  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 10:26 pm : link
Bats just didn't have it today. Hopefully another night in NY at home and everyone will be sharper tomorrow.

Good game. Well.. not aesthetically... but, sportsmanship. Ya know.

See you tomorrow.
Oh well.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/2/2019 10:27 pm : link
Back down to 25 games over .500 for the Yankees. (obviously)
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14490353 MetsAreBack said:
Quote:
In comment 14490341 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


He was out. Should have been called out just based on the sheer stupidity of even trying to take the base to begin with but oh well.

Lucky to get that call. Probably won't matter.

But how the fuck was that pitch called a strike?

Umpiring just keeps getting worse and worse.



Lol its one thing to root for your new team 158 games a year plus playoffs. But Id think with an 11 game lead tonight youd be neutral.

Anyway...


Neutral? What the fuck does that mean?

Root for and against every play at the same time?

No thanks. I'll worry about my own rooting interests, you worry about yours - not like you have much choice with that embarrassing handle.
RE: Wait  
Eman11 : 7/2/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14490342 MookGiants said:
Quote:
that pitch was called a strike that Ramos threw Didi out on? Jeez. That pitch wasnt even close to being a strike


Yep, regardless of Didi having a major brain fart, that call changed the whole AB.
Urshela should've been in the game for defense  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/2/2019 10:32 pm : link
after his PH. (EE should've been taken out.) Gio makes that play DJ flubbed easily.

I'll never trust Britton, I don't give a shit what his numbers are.
Nice audition  
pjcas18 : 7/2/2019 10:36 pm : link
by Wheeler for the trade deadline.

Mets pushed him with 116 pitches.
RE: RE: RE: .  
schabadoo : 7/2/2019 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14490356 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
In comment 14490353 MetsAreBack said:


Quote:


In comment 14490341 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


He was out. Should have been called out just based on the sheer stupidity of even trying to take the base to begin with but oh well.

Lucky to get that call. Probably won't matter.

But how the fuck was that pitch called a strike?

Umpiring just keeps getting worse and worse.



Lol its one thing to root for your new team 158 games a year plus playoffs. But Id think with an 11 game lead tonight youd be neutral.

Anyway...



Neutral? What the fuck does that mean?

Root for and against every play at the same time?

No thanks. I'll worry about my own rooting interests, you worry about yours - not like you have much choice with that embarrassing handle.


That seems a little defensive.

I haven't kept up with the basketball threads, curious if anyone flipped to the Nets already. But that may be more of an in-season move.
Nah you only flip to the Nets  
moespree : 7/2/2019 10:39 pm : link
After the Knicks start the season off hot and then collapse midseason. Then after you're initial excitement about the Knicks wears off, only then do you make the switch to the Nets. And it's alright to do so because you're just a fan of basketball man.
God damnit I fucked up the ball busting with improper grammar  
moespree : 7/2/2019 10:40 pm : link
Oh well.
I like Arc - very good poster..  
Sean : 7/2/2019 10:46 pm : link
This whole thing is very tough to take though. He has the right to do whatever he wants, but now calling out a Met fan for his Mets handle? Brutal. Arc had Matt Harvey as his profile photo for years, a HUGE Met fan. Its just perplexing.

As Mook said re: VinR when he switched from the Pistons to Nets. You can do it, but its just lousy.
RE: I like Arc - very good poster..  
ZGiants98 : 7/2/2019 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14490369 Sean said:
Quote:
This whole thing is very tough to take though. He has the right to do whatever he wants, but now calling out a Met fan for his Mets handle? Brutal. Arc had Matt Harvey as his profile photo for years, a HUGE Met fan. Its just perplexing.

As Mook said re: VinR when he switched from the Pistons to Nets. You can do it, but its just lousy.


Meh. Leave him alone. His choice. Life is short...
Very fair Z-  
Sean : 7/2/2019 10:54 pm : link
Arc is a fantastic poster all around and I dont think less of him as tough as it is to take at times.
.  
arcarsenal : 7/2/2019 10:57 pm : link
Anyone else want to pile on me here?

I won't even post in the thread tomorrow, it's not fair to the other people who just want to talk about the game. I was going to even just avoid this one for the same reason.

These threads don't need to be about me. You guys just really need to get over it.

I'm happy with my choice. If I didn't want to support the Mets anymore, I don't have to. If you do - continue to do so.

Everyone is free to do as they please.

Ignore me if you don't like it. I don't give a shit if you think I'm a "good poster" or a good guy or anything else. Just ignore me. No skin off my back.
RE: Very fair Z-  
schabadoo : 7/2/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14490372 Sean said:
Quote:
Arc is a fantastic poster all around and I dont think less of him as tough as it is to take at times.


I don't either. No reason to slag on a MetsAreBack though.
RE: .  
Sean : 7/2/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14490373 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Anyone else want to pile on me here?

I won't even post in the thread tomorrow, it's not fair to the other people who just want to talk about the game. I was going to even just avoid this one for the same reason.

These threads don't need to be about me. You guys just really need to get over it.

I'm happy with my choice. If I didn't want to support the Mets anymore, I don't have to. If you do - continue to do so.

Everyone is free to do as they please.

Ignore me if you don't like it. I don't give a shit if you think I'm a "good poster" or a good guy or anything else. Just ignore me. No skin off my back.


I think its just the emotions of a Met-Yankee game. Its all in good fun.
if anyone was at the game  
CMicks3110 : 7/2/2019 11:11 pm : link
you might have seen me! I was the guy who did the Burpee competition between the 5th and 6th inning.
Arc is a good poster...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2019 11:19 pm : link
But the whole jumping ship on the Mets for the Yanks, IMO, is weak. So if Darnold leads the Jets to multiple titles & Jones sucks, does he do the same?

I'm a dude who, once you're a fan, you're married to 'em. Yes, that's a conservative 1950s mentality that I actually am down with.
I'm gonna support arc on this one  
Milton : 7/2/2019 11:25 pm : link
I was actually a Jets fan in 1968 and 1969 and jumped ship to the Giants in 1970. Of course, I was ten years old at the time.
RE: .  
Rob in Rockaway : 7/2/2019 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14490373 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Anyone else want to pile on me here?

I won't even post in the thread tomorrow, it's not fair to the other people who just want to talk about the game. I was going to even just avoid this one for the same reason.

These threads don't need to be about me. You guys just really need to get over it.

I'm happy with my choice. If I didn't want to support the Mets anymore, I don't have to. If you do - continue to do so.

Everyone is free to do as they please.

Ignore me if you don't like it. I don't give a shit if you think I'm a "good poster" or a good guy or anything else. Just ignore me. No skin off my back.


I'll pile on. You are an embarrassment to both fan bases.
Arc was awesome as a Met fan on this board  
RasputinPrime : 7/3/2019 12:00 am : link
and moreso when he saw the light and embraced the empire. Nuff said.

Another game blown by letting a AAAA player beat us (Davis).

Stupid streak over and we can focus on playing a quality game tomorrow.
Looking forward to facing German tomorrow  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2019 12:13 am : link
Mets lineup just works better turned around. Dom and his 1.000 OPS bat should be in LF over Davis and I expect big games from McNeil, Conforto, and even Cano (dont look now but he has 4 multi hit games in a row) tomorrow.

That said I doubt Vargas is pitching another gem against this lineup. Should be another good game. I'd expect plenty of runs tomorrow from both teams.
The piling on Davis really needs to stop  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2019 12:16 am : link
Davis had a huge game during the last series too and Yank fans were going nuts about it. How about he's just a good player?

wRC+ of 118 on pace for about 20 HR playing part time. Not shabby at all. He also raked in the minors last year.

Guy isnt an all star but he's a real solid piece.
.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 12:18 am : link


But LeMahieu sucks and was washed up recently. Okay then.
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 7/3/2019 12:34 am : link
In comment 14490405 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:


But LeMahieu sucks and was washed up recently. Okay then.


Nope. LeMahieu is having a very nice season and was a great pickup. Congrats!
Mets own yanks  
micky : 7/3/2019 1:59 am : link
Lol
RE: if anyone was at the game  
mattnyg05 : 7/3/2019 6:28 am : link
In comment 14490383 CMicks3110 said:
Quote:
you might have seen me! I was the guy who did the Burpee competition between the 5th and 6th inning.


I saw that you came pretty close there. Solid job.
Arc is a great poster...  
Dan in the Springs : 7/3/2019 10:02 am : link
and he's smart enough to know that he's going to take his lumps from Mets fans. Best thing he said is he should probably stay off these threads for these matchups.

I know I'd have a hard time with a long-time, die-hard Yankees fan coming on a Yankees thread after switching to another team and commenting on a Yanks handle.

He's a good guy, probably won't be on the next NYY/NYM thread.
Why should he stay off?  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2019 10:06 am : link
It's not his fault the Mets are a laughingstock. Go take your anger out on someone else.
fuck that  
pjcas18 : 7/3/2019 10:07 am : link
Arc can post on any thread he wants.

people who give him shit say more about them than it does about Arc.

While I can't really understand the team switch, I don't really care about it and it's no one's business what fucking baseball team the guy cheers for.

I say this often, but it bears repeating, the team you root for in a sport doesn't change you as a person. If the team you root for is the winningest franchise in any sport on Earth you can still be a massive loser asshole and the team you cheer for doesn't change a thing and conversely if the team you root for is a laughingstock you may very well still be a solid person and a winner at life which is far more relevant and important.

I probably won't read or post on the thread, but in no way should Arc avoid it or change anything he does (IMO).
RE: fuck that  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14490513 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
I say this often, but it bears repeating, the team you root for in a sport doesn't change you as a person.


Unless you're a Dookie or a Hokie, then it marks you as scum forever.
RE: fuck that  
Sean : 7/3/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14490513 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
Arc can post on any thread he wants.

people who give him shit say more about them than it does about Arc.

While I can't really understand the team switch, I don't really care about it and it's no one's business what fucking baseball team the guy cheers for.

I say this often, but it bears repeating, the team you root for in a sport doesn't change you as a person. If the team you root for is the winningest franchise in any sport on Earth you can still be a massive loser asshole and the team you cheer for doesn't change a thing and conversely if the team you root for is a laughingstock you may very well still be a solid person and a winner at life which is far more relevant and important.

I probably won't read or post on the thread, but in no way should Arc avoid it or change anything he does (IMO).


I agree with all this, but some ribbing after he bashed a Met fan for his embarrassing handle isnt a big deal imo during a Mets/Yankees thread.
RE: RE: fuck that  
pjcas18 : 7/3/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14490520 Sean said:
Quote:
In comment 14490513 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


Arc can post on any thread he wants.

people who give him shit say more about them than it does about Arc.

While I can't really understand the team switch, I don't really care about it and it's no one's business what fucking baseball team the guy cheers for.

I say this often, but it bears repeating, the team you root for in a sport doesn't change you as a person. If the team you root for is the winningest franchise in any sport on Earth you can still be a massive loser asshole and the team you cheer for doesn't change a thing and conversely if the team you root for is a laughingstock you may very well still be a solid person and a winner at life which is far more relevant and important.

I probably won't read or post on the thread, but in no way should Arc avoid it or change anything he does (IMO).



I agree with all this, but some ribbing after he bashed a Met fan for his embarrassing handle isnt a big deal imo during a Mets/Yankees thread.


Arc can handle ribbing, and MAB is a good poster too who doesn't have any trouble defending himself, just saying suggesting Arc should stay off the thread is asinine
RE: RE: fuck that  
pjcas18 : 7/3/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14490515 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
In comment 14490513 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


I say this often, but it bears repeating, the team you root for in a sport doesn't change you as a person.



Unless you're a Dookie or a Hokie, then it marks you as scum forever.


well of course, there are always exceptions....I was just saying generally...
Now back to baseball...  
Carson53 : 7/3/2019 10:36 am : link
I guess LeMahieu is human after all, he had a tough night
at the plate, and the big throwing error in the 8th.
I can't complain with him, just stating facts.
Also, why was Hicks playing all the way into right center,
the ball that eluded him was hit to straightaway centerfield. Please spare me the 'spray charts. it's a
one run game, that ball has to be caught. Those were the
two keys plays of the game. Some lethargic looking swings,
by the Yanks, possible jet lag? I though both starting pitchers threw the ball well. Paxton had to grind a bit more, with only one clean inning.
Get 'em tonight, glad German will be back.
They need him around here.
RE: LOL, he really juggled that one before catching it  
Carson53 : 7/3/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14490347 steve in ky said:
Quote:
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Yeah, but Gardner swung at three balls in a row,
he was in swing mode. He would have had ball 4.
It ain't nobody's business but his own.  
Ira : 7/3/2019 10:48 am : link
arc can post wherever he wants.
RE: RE: LOL, he really juggled that one before catching it  
mitch300 : 7/3/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14490559 Carson53 said:
Quote:
In comment 14490347 steve in ky said:


Quote:


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Yeah, but Gardner swung at three balls in a row,
he was in swing mode. He would have had ball 4.

I think after the 2-0 pitch that was clearly outside and the ump called it a strike, he took the approach that is going to be a strike.
RE: Now back to baseball...  
Strahan91 : 7/3/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14490549 Carson53 said:
Quote:
I guess LeMahieu is human after all, he had a tough night
at the plate, and the big throwing error in the 8th.
I can't complain with him, just stating facts.
Also, why was Hicks playing all the way into right center,
the ball that eluded him was hit to straightaway centerfield. Please spare me the 'spray charts. it's a
one run game, that ball has to be caught. Those were the
two keys plays of the game. Some lethargic looking swings,
by the Yanks, possible jet lag? I though both starting pitchers threw the ball well. Paxton had to grind a bit more, with only one clean inning.
Get 'em tonight, glad German will be back.
They need him around here.

MLB should've given them another day off between the London series and the next game. A lot of baseball and travel plus time zone differences.
RE: Why should he stay off?  
schabadoo : 7/3/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14490512 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
It's not his fault the Mets are a laughingstock. Go take your anger out on someone else.


He shouldn't stay off. He's a fan of at least one of the teams.
.  
arcarsenal : 7/3/2019 12:24 pm : link
Just to be clear, I was the one who suggested I not post on the thread for the second game - I just don't want to derail actual baseball discussion. I won't even be home for it regardless. But, I don't want these threads to be like this and I don't want to be a distraction.

Anyway; look... I'm just tired of explaining myself to people.

I didn't do this on a whim as much as it seemed. I thought about it for a really long time and I was nervous about going through with it because: A) I knew once I did it, there was no going back, and B) I really wasn't sure if I'd feel the same enjoyment or enjoy any type of victory the same way.

I don't want to dramatize it, but it was a big decision for me. I knew I was going to take heaps and heaps of shit for it (everyone here can plainly see that's been the case...)

MAB has been sniping at me since last year - I threw one back at him. He's a big boy, he can handle it. We'll hug and make up when hockey season starts. But the idea that it's just "all in good fun" when everyone's piling on me, but suddenly "brutal" when I finally say something back - well, that's not really fair.

I've not been an asshole about any of this - anything I've said about the Mets since has just been an honest opinion. I don't post stuff like "LOLMETS!" when things aren't going well, nor do I take enjoyment from any of it.

So, think of me what you will - I can't control any of that. You can think of me as a frontrunner or a flake. You can call what I did "lousy" - you can even say you have no respect for me as a poster here any longer or ignore everything I post going forward. All of that is up to you.
don't worry - I'll take pleasure in Mets misfortune on your behalf  
Greg from LI : 7/3/2019 12:42 pm : link
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RE: don't worry - I'll take pleasure in Mets misfortune on your behalf  
arcarsenal : 7/3/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14490726 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
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I believe it!
As someone who is neither a Yankees or Mets fan  
Jay on the Island : 7/3/2019 12:48 pm : link
I find it absurd that some have attacked arc for his decision. He has made his position clear since the beginning , not that he owes anyone an explanation.

Some behave as if arc's decision was a personal attack against them. Who gives a shit who he roots for as long as he continues to post in a respectful manner.

RE: As someone who is neither a Yankees or Mets fan  
JayBinQueens : 7/3/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14490730 Jay on the Island said:
Quote:
I find it absurd that some have attacked arc for his decision. He has made his position clear since the beginning , not that he owes anyone an explanation.

Some behave as if arc's decision was a personal attack against them. Who gives a shit who he roots for as long as he continues to post in a respectful manner.

Anything to not have to focus on our own internal shit show that is ownership and the Mets
DJ LeMahieu Player of the Month:  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 2:38 pm : link
MLB

Verified account

@MLB

Hitting over .400 in June? Yeah, that will do it.

DJ LeMahieu and Charlie Blackmon are your Players of the Month.
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