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Defenderdawg : 7/3/2019 8:50 am
in Year 16...

"They've been doing some losing lately, and he doesn't like it and he wants to turn that around," Archie Manning said. "Eli realizes the situation. They drafted a young quarterback. They've got to win some games. He knows that. But he's attacking it full speed. Eli has a great mindset to be a quarterback and a football player. He knows he can play at a high level, and he thinks he can lead his team so we're pulling hard for him."

Manning expects giant strides, especially since it'll be his second season in offensive coordinator Mike Shula's system.

It'll be the first time since 2013 Manning won't have fellow Newman alum Odell Beckham Jr. to throw to. Beckham was traded to the Cleveland Browns, one of several major moves the Giants made.

"We've been aggressive in the offseason and made some change," Manning said. "We brought in some new linemen, brought in (receiver) Golden Tate and also made some defensive moves as well. I'm excited about the way the spring worked and having guys to fit the offense and fit this style. It's going to be fun."

Those close to Eli know just how determined he is to help the Giants turn things around. They know what drives him.

A lot of times people ask guys 'What are you going to do with the money you made?' Peyton Manning said. "Instead of saying, 'I'm going to buy this or buy that,' they should say 'l'm going to try to earn it.' Go earn it, and I think that's what Eli feels."

Eli says his motivation is simple.

Winning football games is what he says drives him.

"It's such a great feeling in that locker room when you win games," Eli said. "You want everybody to experience that. You want those guys who haven't won a championship to get that feeling also. That means so much to your family and everybody who has been a part of your football career, from your high school coaches to your college coaches. When you win a championship, everybody wins."

So Manning wants to stick around as long as he can.

He laughed at the notion of playing another eight or nine years, which would allow him to possibly play with his nephew Arch, Cooper's son and a freshman at Newman. Eli knows he's probably closer to joining big brother Peyton in retirement than he is of playing against Lil Arch.

But he's not looking that far ahead either.

"I'm not rushing into retirement, and Peyton's not telling me to rush into it," Eli said. "I still love being around the guys and the teammates and playing this game. I'm going to play it for as long as I think I can hang with these guys."

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RE: RE: RE: If only the giants could find some real talent to surround  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14490672 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Because itís true. Coming from someone who has the issues that you have, I have no problem with your post. If you disagree with me, I take it as a compliment.


A guy coming to an Eli thread where to shit on him where he wants to win shouldnt come after someone and said he has issues. You root against the QB of the team you supposedly root for and claim I have issues? LOL, think about that for a second.

If my biggest issue is rooting for a player on my team, then I am doing ok.
Itís not even a big deal anymore anyway.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 11:55 am : link
Weíre on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020. I donít think anyone thinks elibsaid anything wrong here. He didnít. But when the team has been trash for the last 7 years; stuff like this kind of goes in one ear and out the other.
But it..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 11:57 am : link
didn't go in one ear and out the other.

It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.
RE: But it..  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14490682 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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didn't go in one ear and out the other.

It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.


And start bringing up people are making excuses for him when no one even talked about it.... haha
RE: Itís not even a big deal anymore anyway.  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14490679 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Weíre on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020.


And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!

Just asinine.
I don't think  
GiantGrit : 7/3/2019 12:31 pm : link
Most of the posts on this thread have been too bad regarding Eli. I've read worst. The nature of sports in NY - what have you done for me lately? The Giants, and Eli, haven't done anything. Do i think its right he is often lambasted? I do not, as i've posted countless times many factors out of his control kept the team from contending. Now he's old.

Kinda like some Knicks fans who keep saying "why the Nets? The Knicks are bigger?"

Yes, the Knicks are bigger and more popular. But the fans are more representative of the culture here - they love their teams, but patience lacks. Guys would rather enjoy the city and not have to deal with those kind of fans. Is it mentally weak? Good argument it is, but if someone knows they don't want to handle that BS, why put yourself in a situation where you'll have to?

Leading me back to Eli. He chose New York, he's dealt with the media masterfully. He helped lead the Giants to one of the biggest upsets in sports. 4 years later, he told the world he was elite - he was laughed at. He then produced his best season ever AND won a title again. Totally backed up his talk. He walked the walk.

So, is Eli Manning declining? Yes. Are fans within their right to point this out and clamor for the new era? Yes.

But the reality is, many posters on here have already forgotten how awesome this guys career was. He WANTED New York, and he delivered 2 titles (with help of course). Don't sneeze at that. For one last time, i hope he reminds everyone how fortunate we were to have him as our quarterback. His clutchness may not walk through the doors here for awhile.
RE: RE: I guess it's been a while since the last pointless  
Default : 7/3/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14490674 dep026 said:
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Eli Manning argument.



See this is what should bother people who want rational discussion on this site.


That should be who, you and a few others considering...

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I would venture 99.9% of BBi doesnt understand QB play.... so how could they judge it?

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dep026 : 7/3/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14490717 Default said:
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Eli Manning argument.



See this is what should bother people who want rational discussion on this site.




That should be who, you and a few others considering...



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I would venture 99.9% of BBi doesnt understand QB play.... so how could they judge it?



People who have coached and played the position. When I read what Eli should or shouldnt do - the majority of BBI posters dont know what they are talking about.

There are a lot of things I dont try to stick my chest out over like OL play, salary cap issues, LB play etc.... and how the players or GMs should do their job cause I dont know much about it.

Its ok to discuss or ask questions.... but to definitively say you are right on a topic on something you dont know or never did is kind of funny, no?
RE: RE: Itís not even a big deal anymore anyway.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14490688 dep026 said:
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Weíre on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020.



And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!

Just asinine.


Wait, how exactly is that 'asinine?' In 2020, we have a TON of money coming off the cap, it's the start of a new decade, and new chapter in Giants football, when we're currently coming off an awful past 7 years.

Yeah. Just 'asinine.' Seek help ASAP, buddy.
RE: But it..  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14490682 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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didn't go in one ear and out the other.

It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.


And that works both ways.
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 1:04 pm : link
it doesn't go both ways.

There isn't a side here championing that the words mean great things and illustrate that Eli is on the cusp of greatness, but there is a side saying the words don't matter while bitching exactly about said words.

Doesn't it suck to have to look for Eli threads just to shit on the guy?

RE: RE: RE: Itís not even a big deal anymore anyway.  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14490740 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14490679 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Weíre on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020.



And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!

Just asinine.



Wait, how exactly is that 'asinine?' In 2020, we have a TON of money coming off the cap, it's the start of a new decade, and new chapter in Giants football, when we're currently coming off an awful past 7 years.

Yeah. Just 'asinine.' Seek help ASAP, buddy.


I need help? You have given up on 2019 before it has ever happened. You are more excited about "cap room" than watching guys like barkley, hernandez, Carter, hill, Baker, Lawrence, etc... grow as players. It is fucking asinine, but not the least bit surprising.

If you are so looking forward to 2020, can we at least not see you post until then? The constant shitting on certain players will not be missed.

RE: But..  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14490748 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it doesn't go both ways.

There isn't a side here championing that the words mean great things and illustrate that Eli is on the cusp of greatness, but there is a side saying the words don't matter while bitching exactly about said words.

Doesn't it suck to have to look for Eli threads just to shit on the guy?


He doesnt need Eli threads to shit on Eli. He pretty much does it on any thread he wants. Just look for the 1 PM and 4 PM game threads or the MNF or TNF threads where somerandom QB throws a TD. He will basically slobber over them as a way to say Eli cant do that. He even admits he does it. He has been doing it for a dozen years. He rather see Eli suck this year so he doesnt have to watch him play in 2020.

Most Giants fans want Eli to start next year because it means:

A) he had an awesome year
B) The giants had a great year too.

Dave isnt one of those posters. If you ask him what he rather have..... Daniel Jones starting in 2020 or the Giants win the SB with Eli in 2019, he would choose the former. He'll deny it but his history of posting and shitting on Eli would support my claim.
But Ill let  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 1:12 pm : link
this turn back into a bitch about Eli-fest. Its been a few days where BBI complained that he wants to work hard and win.

Damn him!
Crick78  
crick n NC : 7/3/2019 1:19 pm : link
Is excited about Daniel Jones bitchfest threads which are inevitable regardless of anyone knowing what they "is talkin bout"
Damn fail  
crick n NC : 7/3/2019 1:20 pm : link
Old handle crick78
RE: Crick78  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14490761 crick n NC said:
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Is excited about Daniel Jones bitchfest threads which are inevitable regardless of anyone knowing what they "is talkin bout"


It will only take a first quarter INT before it begins.
Great attitude and desire plus the experience  
TMS : 7/3/2019 1:45 pm : link
both good and bad, to know what it takes to win in this league. Wish him the best but this is his, "show me year", in this town for sure, with Jones on board. This is not a forgiving place if they think you are the cause of their misery.
RE: RE: Please keep the turnovers down. Every time a pick is thrown it  
81_Great_Dane : 7/3/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14490522 dep026 said:
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give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.



So somewhere between 10-11 INTs good for you?
There was a point at which Parcells told Simms "If you don't throw two interceptions today, you're not taking enough chances." Less than one INT/game would be ok if the offense is high-scoring. We haven't seen a truly high-scoring O from the Giants in what, decades?
RE: comments were made that it's just words  
Johnny5 : 7/3/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14490585 GiantNatty said:
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and it is. The fact is, he can sit there and say he wants to win games all he wants, but when he performs like he has for several seasons in a row, there's nothing wrong with people pointing that out.

What's "fucking ponderous" is that this is a fan website but if a fan's opinion isn't in line with yours, they have to be a moron. Give me a break.

If it were any other player on this team - if Nate Solder came out and said "I want to earn my contract," I want to win more games," etc., and some fans said "hey, you can talk all you want, but how about you just play better," you would have no problem with it. But you have such an irrational hard on for Eli, that you actually get upset when people criticize him.

Get over it.

The problem is, it doesn't take a fucking rocket surgeon to figure out that:
A) His line has sucked for 8 years. Literally bottom of the league for how many years now.
B) His running game has sucked for about that long
C) He is in his 3rd offensive system in 4 years

Ah fuck it, maybe it does take a rocket surgeon.

At the end of the day, instead of shitting on one guy on the offense over and over and over again, let's see what he does in year 2 of Shurmur's system with an actual offensive line in front of him.
RE: RE: Please keep the turnovers down. Every time a pick is thrown it  
Blue21 : 7/3/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14490522 dep026 said:
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give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.



So somewhere between 10-11 INTs good for you?


Yes.Tops just like last year but unfortunetly 14,15 and higher, for an elite QB which is what I like to consider him, is not. Look, we're going to miss him when he's gone but what I've always considered what keeps him from being listed as a top 5 QB every year is his interceptions.
There are a few questions to be answered this season.  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/3/2019 2:34 pm : link
1) Can Eli still play at a high level?
2) Is the Giants OL really fixed now to at least a league average level?
3) How much will OBJ be missed?
4) Can Engram stay healthy and be productive for at least 14/16 games?
5) Is there a deep threat WR on this roster who can be counted on AT ALL?

And IMO, the most important one:

6) Are Eli Manning's skills a decent fit for Pat Shurmur's offense featuring Saquon Barkley and (IMO) Evan Engram?

Eli can still be pretty darn good, but not really satisfy #6. IE, what happens to a vertical deep ball thrower in horizontally based offense?
Hope Eli lights it up this year.  
Britt in VA : 7/3/2019 2:50 pm : link
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RE: Hope Eli lights it up this year.  
Thegratefulhead : 7/3/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14490851 Britt in VA said:
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I think whoever QBs the Giants in 2019 is going to do well. I can't imagine Eli not playing much better than we have recently seen with this OL and Barkley. I would prefer to play Jones as I don't think we are winning anything this year and a year of experience for Jones is valuable to me. That said, I will be VERY happy if Eli gets a chance to throw some shade at his detractors. It will change the entire narrative on the end of his career if he can have a great season this year.
I think the point is, that itís nothing about his play  
Bill L : 7/3/2019 3:21 pm : link
The comments were not critique. They were not cogent, they were not intelligent, they were not relevant, they were not mature, they indicated nothing of any football acumen or even every day sentience.

They were simply the same old, gratuitous, ďwhat do you want for dinner? ...Eli sucks,....itís raining outside....Eli sucksĒ froth that is the not just the sum, but the entirety of conversation contribution.

If the refrain were maybe saved for a game or for even a relevant point, maybe they would at least have meaning, if not novelty.
RE: RE: yeah, it's totally inappropriate  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/3/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14490533 dep026 said:
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for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!



Yes, lets shit and get on a player who talks about wanting to win and turn things around! Thats what great fans do! Only one of the hardest working players in our franchise deserves shit for wanting to...... WIN.

BBI's best sometimes isnt as good as Eli's worst. Thats pretty much a fact.

I mean, we could all be realistic about the motives behind any player paying lip service to "I just want to win" and ignore the underlying message of "I've made a shit ton of money playing this game and I'd like to continue making that money" but that might require a departure from hero worship, so why bother?

I mean, don't guys who just want to win occasionally restructure their contract to help the team build their supporting cast?
The shit on BBI bingo card is almost complete  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 3:48 pm : link
we got...

- prove it on the field!
- He doesnt have it anymore!
- he throws too many INTs!
- he makes too much money!
- He's selfish!
- BBI making excuses for Eli!

BINGO!!!
RE: RE: RE: yeah, it's totally inappropriate  
Bill L : 7/3/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14490877 Gatorade Dunk said:
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for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!



Yes, lets shit and get on a player who talks about wanting to win and turn things around! Thats what great fans do! Only one of the hardest working players in our franchise deserves shit for wanting to...... WIN.

BBI's best sometimes isnt as good as Eli's worst. Thats pretty much a fact.


I mean, we could all be realistic about the motives behind any player paying lip service to "I just want to win" and ignore the underlying message of "I've made a shit ton of money playing this game and I'd like to continue making that money" but that might require a departure from hero worship, so why bother?

I mean, don't guys who just want to win occasionally restructure their contract to help the team build their supporting cast?


Haha, Iím sure youíll find tons of his teammates (or people who just know him) to agree with you that Eli has no interest in winning.
And Eli has restructured his contract before  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 3:50 pm : link
so that was a pretty insightful post.
RE: And Eli has restructured his contract before  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/3/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14490889 dep026 said:
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so that was a pretty insightful post.

You're right, he did. Once, in 2012, coming off his best season and a Super Bowl MVP. You could make a case that he had as much leverage at that point as any other in his career, and he chose to help the team. Granted, he still got every cent he was owed; it was just converted to bonus from salary, but that's generally how it happens. I stand corrected.

Still, I think it might have been helpful the past few years to rework his contract to give him the help he clearly needed. But I'm not privy to whether the team ever even approached him about anything like that so it's not fair to blame him for it without enough information.
What help do they clearly need?  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 6:46 pm : link
Overspend on FAs like 2016 that turned out to be a monumental bust.

Who could we have signed? The fact is the team got this way with poor drafting, dumb FA signings, hanging onto players for too long, and poor coaching.

Not one player not restructuring. Plus, the last time he did that.... our franchise went down the tubes and are in one of our worst eras ever.

But yeah, Elis not a team player for that. Good call!
RE: RE: But it..  
map7711 : 7/3/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14490742 Dave in Hoboken said:
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didn't go in one ear and out the other.

It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.



And that works both ways.


Iím assuming you canít watch the two SBs with any joy. How can you? You hate Eli sooo much that thereís just no way. And donít tell me you donít. They way you act towards the guy who gave us so much says it all. You just donít say we need to move on, you take it to a far higher level. On a personal level. Just a shame.
RE: What help do they clearly need?  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/3/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14491055 dep026 said:
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Overspend on FAs like 2016 that turned out to be a monumental bust.

Who could we have signed? The fact is the team got this way with poor drafting, dumb FA signings, hanging onto players for too long, and poor coaching.

Not one player not restructuring. Plus, the last time he did that.... our franchise went down the tubes and are in one of our worst eras ever.

But yeah, Elis not a team player for that. Good call!

JFC I said I stood corrected. Sorry for insulting your fucking crush.

But you and several others have been quick to point out how neglected Eli's supporting cast has been as part of the explanation for his declining performance over the past few years. Guess what? It's a salary cap league. Additional cap space could at least have given the team additional opportunities to get Eli some support.

And are you trying to suggest that Eli restructuring was some sort of bad luck moment? You're a weird dude.
Iím weird  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 9:11 pm : link
For pointing out your obsession of Eliís contracts and how much money he is made?

I think itís weird you calling Eli selfish over the last 6-7 years, even though his contract had no bearing on us signing any free agent we wanted. Or maybe you forgot the 200 million plus we spent in 2016.

But Iím sure you will tell us many times during the year that Eli will make more money than any NFL player ever (which will be short lived by the way) and proclaim he wasnít worth it. That beat has been going on for years strong, amirite?
RE: I guess it's been a while since the last pointless  
Amazinz : 7/3/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14490670 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Eli Manning argument.


Yup. But we didn't have to wait long for the last one of your useless points.
RE: Iím weird  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/4/2019 7:47 am : link
In comment 14491211 dep026 said:
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For pointing out your obsession of Eliís contracts and how much money he is made?

I think itís weird you calling Eli selfish over the last 6-7 years, even though his contract had no bearing on us signing any free agent we wanted. Or maybe you forgot the 200 million plus we spent in 2016.

But Iím sure you will tell us many times during the year that Eli will make more money than any NFL player ever (which will be short lived by the way) and proclaim he wasnít worth it. That beat has been going on for years strong, amirite?

No, you're weird for a shit ton of reasons, the most recent of which is suggesting that Eli agreeing to restructure his contract in 2012 represented some sort of turning point in the franchise's fortune, as though it all could have been avoided if they had just left that money as salary instead of converting it to bonus. If that was too difficult to understand, maybe a different adjective fits instead of just weird.
Seems like someone is twisting words  
dep026 : 7/4/2019 8:00 am : link
And attacking a poster after he was proven wrong. Thereís definitely a different meaning for you.

Again how sad is it for someone to come to a thread to insult and attack a player (wrongly I made add) for wanting to win. Multiple times I may add...Great fan Iíll tell ya...
In 2018, 7 QBs threw 14 or more INTs, including Roethlisberger (16)  
Ivan15 : 7/4/2019 8:02 am : link
and Luck. 19 QBs threw 11 or more, including Eli (11).

What more do you want Eli to do?

I would be happy with 16 and 32+ TDs if the team was putting up 30 points per game. That didnít happen last year because the offense struggled in the first half.
9-7 last year at a minimum  
YorkAveGiant : 7/4/2019 10:46 am : link
If the defense could hold a 2 minute lead.

Eli had a fine year.

Especially since that browns WR took the $$, barely showed up, then quit.
dep  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/4/2019 12:28 pm : link
Some people, myself included, have been too tough on Eli at times. But I feel as though you are incapable of being critical of his play and lash at anyone who dare say that his play be commensurate with his play. In the event Eli plays poorly and Jones thrives with the same cast of characters would you then consider conceding that Eliís eroding skills may have been part of the problem?
Play commensurate with  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/4/2019 12:29 pm : link
His pay *
RE: dep  
Johnny5 : 7/4/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14491723 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Some people, myself included, have been too tough on Eli at times. But I feel as though you are incapable of being critical of his play and lash at anyone who dare say that his play be commensurate with his play. In the event Eli plays poorly and Jones thrives with the same cast of characters would you then consider conceding that Eliís eroding skills may have been part of the problem?

I'll defend dep here and disagree. We all know Eli is in the twilight, but the incessant bashing drives people like dep (and me) absolute bat shit so we point out the obvious over and over again. There's a (very good) reason Reese and Ross are not here anymore running the show. And frankly they should have been shown the door before Coughlin (or Gilbride for that matter). This franchise (Reese and Ross specifically) wasted many prime years of a great NY Giants QB. It's sickening after all the guy has done here to hear people shit on the guy over and over again for all of the offensive woes over the last few years.
Thank God for Eli  
xman : 7/4/2019 3:16 pm : link
he made Kerry Collins a distant memory and replaced Kurt Warner on the field. Those two were close to done. But that is the state of Eli today

If the team failed Eli the past few years with the poor OL I wonder if the same could be said for Russell, Rodgers , Rivers etc. In this day and age a QB needs to bring more to the table then Eli does
Iím curious to see how he plays this year  
UberAlias : 7/4/2019 3:20 pm : link
Actually looking forward to seeing how it plays out. This team is not there yet, but they have enough to be competitive and a light schedule on paper. Its going to be interesting.
RE: Thank God for Eli  
Johnny5 : 7/4/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14491810 xman said:
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he made Kerry Collins a distant memory and replaced Kurt Warner on the field. Those two were close to done. But that is the state of Eli today

If the team failed Eli the past few years with the poor OL I wonder if the same could be said for Russell, Rodgers , Rivers etc. In this day and age a QB needs to bring more to the table then Eli does

Bullshit. And it's not just OL. It was just OL when Coughlin was still here. If you didn't notice the offense completely changed when Coughlin was shown the door. Rivers and Rothlisberger have had the same coaching staffs and offenses for how long? And Rivers has a fantastic coordinator in Whisenhunt. Eli has not only had shit OL for 8 years, he is in his 3rd offensive scheme in 4 years.
RE: dep  
Bill L : 7/4/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14491723 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Some people, myself included, have been too tough on Eli at times. But I feel as though you are incapable of being critical of his play and lash at anyone who dare say that his play be commensurate with his play. In the event Eli plays poorly and Jones thrives with the same cast of characters would you then consider conceding that Eliís eroding skills may have been part of the problem?


The main point is and has always been that that s completely irrelevant to the story and the thread, which are both simply about him saying heís motivated for the upcoming season.

But it turned into another springboard, as if any topic didnít catalyze the radical, for the tired, incessant diatribe of anti-Eli invective by the scurrilous.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 7/4/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14491723 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Some people, myself included, have been too tough on Eli at times. But I feel as though you are incapable of being critical of his play and lash at anyone who dare say that his play be commensurate with his play. In the event Eli plays poorly and Jones thrives with the same cast of characters would you then consider conceding that Eliís eroding skills may have been part of the problem?
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Here's the thing. One of the reasons why I have defended Eli so much in the last 6 years is because I think his O-Line and for the most part his skill positions were below NFL standard, especially the OL. Yes he had OBJ, and he had SB last year. And SS has flashed. But its really never come together with the offesne because we either have been so weak on the OL or the supporting cast around OBJ havent been a threat.

I think the OL is going to much improve. So if they give Eli time and the ability to make throws down the field and he fails - then I have no problem seeing what Jones has. But if he is going to be sacked 50 times, many of which before the WRs can even finish their routes, and pressured another 50 - its still going to be tough to judge on what he can do (any type of struggle this year makes the point moot since he will be replaced.)

I think its unfair to look at what a person makes, and then determine if he is worth the value when he is surrounded with sub par teammates. I fully admit there have been a lot of games where Eli could have played better since 2013. But sometimes its tough to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

But I do believe we are on the right path. Better OL, great RB, viable WRs, game changing TE. Its time for Eli to prove he still has it. But everyone still needs to perform around him.
Eli as the QB undeserving carries the lion share of the blame  
G-crew18 : 7/4/2019 11:08 pm : link
I think the past management team did Eli a great disservice after delivering the 2011 championship. In fact, the 2011 NFC championship was indicative of the true status of the Giants OL as Eli was brutalized in that game yet when given the opportunity he manned up, rose and delivered. Since then the Giants OL has gone from porous to bad, horrendous to atrocious degenerating to finally destroying Eli confidence in their ability to give him time to perform or willingness to protect his health. In 2016 we saw a glimpse of the champion Eli at Green Bay in the playoffs, only to be completely let down by a team wilting when the light was brightest.

It has yet to be determined if Eli given time to perform will overcome his nervousness in the pocket. Many good QB's have failed to overcome the fear which becomes manifest by the will to survive and desire to avoid injury. Physically he has demonstrated the ability to perform at a high level. Eli can still make all the NFL throws necessary to be successful NFL QB but can he again retain the composure necessary to allow the plays to develop downfield to take advantage of the opportunity to make the big play.

I think that the presence of Daniel Jones along with the rebuilt OL may motivate Eli to conquer his nervousness regaining his prowess as an elite NFL QB.
The interesting  
mittenedman : 7/5/2019 10:07 am : link
part of this - for me - was his statement that they picked up guys who fit the offense.

Shurmur likes to play a team game where the ball gets spread around and everybody run blocks and keeps their mouth shut.

I took Manning's comments as a subtle dig at OBJ. Tate isn't as talented as OBJ but he's a selfless, tough-minded, team-first WR who blocks, has great hands, makes tough catches and will be accountable to his teammates.

You don't need a Ferrari at WR - you need a group of guys who fit well together and complement eachother.
Quick look on thread has about 3 posts being critical of Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 7/5/2019 1:15 pm : link
and about 40+ posts from two other posters criticizing everybody else...
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