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Defenderdawg : 7/3/2019 8:50 am
in Year 16...

"They've been doing some losing lately, and he doesn't like it and he wants to turn that around," Archie Manning said. "Eli realizes the situation. They drafted a young quarterback. They've got to win some games. He knows that. But he's attacking it full speed. Eli has a great mindset to be a quarterback and a football player. He knows he can play at a high level, and he thinks he can lead his team so we're pulling hard for him."

Manning expects giant strides, especially since it'll be his second season in offensive coordinator Mike Shula's system.

It'll be the first time since 2013 Manning won't have fellow Newman alum Odell Beckham Jr. to throw to. Beckham was traded to the Cleveland Browns, one of several major moves the Giants made.

"We've been aggressive in the offseason and made some change," Manning said. "We brought in some new linemen, brought in (receiver) Golden Tate and also made some defensive moves as well. I'm excited about the way the spring worked and having guys to fit the offense and fit this style. It's going to be fun."

Those close to Eli know just how determined he is to help the Giants turn things around. They know what drives him.

A lot of times people ask guys 'What are you going to do with the money you made?' Peyton Manning said. "Instead of saying, 'I'm going to buy this or buy that,' they should say 'l'm going to try to earn it.' Go earn it, and I think that's what Eli feels."

Eli says his motivation is simple.

Winning football games is what he says drives him.

"It's such a great feeling in that locker room when you win games," Eli said. "You want everybody to experience that. You want those guys who haven't won a championship to get that feeling also. That means so much to your family and everybody who has been a part of your football career, from your high school coaches to your college coaches. When you win a championship, everybody wins."

So Manning wants to stick around as long as he can.

He laughed at the notion of playing another eight or nine years, which would allow him to possibly play with his nephew Arch, Cooper's son and a freshman at Newman. Eli knows he's probably closer to joining big brother Peyton in retirement than he is of playing against Lil Arch.

But he's not looking that far ahead either.

"I'm not rushing into retirement, and Peyton's not telling me to rush into it," Eli said. "I still love being around the guys and the teammates and playing this game. I'm going to play it for as long as I think I can hang with these guys."

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nice piece  
V.I.G. : 7/3/2019 9:11 am : link
no more excuses
Not a knock on Eli, but  
Gman11 : 7/3/2019 9:21 am : link
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I'm going to play it for as long as I think I can hang with these guys.
Believe me, you'll think you can hang with the guys long after you actually can. Players don't see the deterioration of their skills like third parties do.
RE: Not a knock on Eli, but  
Big Rick in FL : 7/3/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14490476 Gman11 said:
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I'm going to play it for as long as I think I can hang with these guys.

Believe me, you'll think you can hang with the guys long after you actually can. Players don't see the deterioration of their skills like third parties do.


You're right. Eli hasn't been able to hang for a few seasons now and he's still here.
I wasn't really  
Gman11 : 7/3/2019 9:40 am : link
talking about Eli, just athletes in general.
Talk is cheap  
GiantsRage2007 : 7/3/2019 9:46 am : link
year after year...
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 9:49 am : link
I guess this was like the Bat signal.

Some fucking people just can't help themselves.
RE: Well..  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14490502 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I guess this was like the Bat signal.

Some fucking people just can't help themselves.


It’s really quite comical at this point.
Please keep the turnovers down. Every time a pick is thrown it  
Blue21 : 7/3/2019 10:09 am : link
give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.
Please keep the turnovers down. Every time a pick is thrown it  
Blue21 : 7/3/2019 10:10 am : link
give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.
Sorry for the double post  
Blue21 : 7/3/2019 10:10 am : link
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RE: Please keep the turnovers down. Every time a pick is thrown it  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14490518 Blue21 said:
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give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.


So somewhere between 10-11 INTs good for you?
yeah, it's totally inappropriate  
GiantNatty : 7/3/2019 10:18 am : link
for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!
RE: yeah, it's totally inappropriate  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14490530 GiantNatty said:
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for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!


Yes, lets shit and get on a player who talks about wanting to win and turn things around! Thats what great fans do! Only one of the hardest working players in our franchise deserves shit for wanting to...... WIN.

BBI's best sometimes isnt as good as Eli's worst. Thats pretty much a fact.
I have  
crick n NC : 7/3/2019 10:40 am : link
Always loved how Eli has carried himself as a Giant, regardless of his success here. He has been a major part of my greatest sports moments that ended with championships.

I generally don't like to criticize players simply because in reality I am a nobody when it comes to knowing what goes on during a game or behind the scenes in locker rooms etc. As for Manning, it feels especially wrong to take digs at him considering what he helped deliver to us fans over his great Giant career. Now, what doesn't feel right to me doesn't apply to anyone else, but Eli is a special player to me and deservedly so in my opinion.
RE: yeah, it's totally inappropriate  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14490530 GiantNatty said:
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for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!


Exactly what did Eli say that isn't congruent with his play?

He's excited to team up with the new WR's, thrive in the second season of the offense and win games.

You really are going to criticize any player with that mindset?

Fucking ponderous.
comments were made that it's just words  
GiantNatty : 7/3/2019 10:57 am : link
and it is. The fact is, he can sit there and say he wants to win games all he wants, but when he performs like he has for several seasons in a row, there's nothing wrong with people pointing that out.

What's "fucking ponderous" is that this is a fan website but if a fan's opinion isn't in line with yours, they have to be a moron. Give me a break.

If it were any other player on this team - if Nate Solder came out and said "I want to earn my contract," I want to win more games," etc., and some fans said "hey, you can talk all you want, but how about you just play better," you would have no problem with it. But you have such an irrational hard on for Eli, that you actually get upset when people criticize him.

Get over it.
I would..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 11:00 am : link
call any fan a moron who took that stance.

It is a player saying he expects to play well and win. How the fuck can you take issue with that?

And it most definitely is ponderous that a player who wants to win is criticized here.

Fuck - if any player but Eli said this - there likely wouldn't be an issue. Eli says it and people take potshots. I'd ask why, but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.
RE: comments were made that it's just words  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14490585 GiantNatty said:
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and it is. The fact is, he can sit there and say he wants to win games all he wants, but when he performs like he has for several seasons in a row, there's nothing wrong with people pointing that out.

What's "fucking ponderous" is that this is a fan website but if a fan's opinion isn't in line with yours, they have to be a moron. Give me a break.

If it were any other player on this team - if Nate Solder came out and said "I want to earn my contract," I want to win more games," etc., and some fans said "hey, you can talk all you want, but how about you just play better," you would have no problem with it. But you have such an irrational hard on for Eli, that you actually get upset when people criticize him.

Get over it.


And lets be honest, you have shitted on Eli for the majority of his career and when a guy tries to be positive - and you still feel the need to shit on him - maybe you have the hard on against the guy which is pathetic.

And another thing..... you dont know a damn thing about whether or not he has been doing his job or not. But you can sit here and continue your nonsense talk.

I dont think any fan has shitted on a player for saying he wants to turn around a losing team and wants to work hard. Yet, there are many posters here, like yourself, who do it with Eli on a daily/weekly basis.

So again, who has the hard on for the guy? Its sad and ponderous to call yourself a fan when you shit on someone who wants to win.
No one has a problem with his mindset  
ron mexico : 7/3/2019 11:03 am : link
They have a problem with his play. Not sure why that's hard to understand
RE: I would..  
crick n NC : 7/3/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14490587 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.


Overly active saliva glands is a real struggle

The pain is real.
RE: No one has a problem with his mindset  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14490592 ron mexico said:
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They have a problem with his play. Not sure why that's hard to understand


But I would venture 99.9% of BBi doesnt understand QB play.... so how could they judge it?
RE: No one has a problem with his mindset  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14490592 ron mexico said:
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They have a problem with his play. Not sure why that's hard to understand


So criticize his play if he does poorly.

Why are people criticizing his words?

And let's bottom line this - when does any player come under fire for saying they want to win? Some of you guys are so far gone that you've lost any perspective. Any subject about Eli - even positive becomes a shooting gallery to throw darts.

I'll get Dr. Bruce on the saliva situation:)
it's a sports fan site!!!  
GiantNatty : 7/3/2019 11:14 am : link
why would you at all be surprised that fans would want a player to just shut up and play well? And New York fans at that!

Like if there were an article about Matt Dodge or Trey Junkin and in the article they were saying how bad they felt about their time as Giants, it would surprise you if the reaction was "those guys can go crawl back under the rocks they came from," that would surprise you? Really?

Why does it offend you that a lot of fans think Eli's time here is done? Why does that mean they're drooling invalids? How or why is that an invalid opinion???

Players, coaches, the GM, and even the owners get crapped on all the time around here for what they say, even though it's almost always under the guise of "we want to win more." It's part of the very fabric of a fan website. No one, not even a double champion and future Hall of Fame quarterback, is beyond criticism.
RE: I would..  
ron mexico : 7/3/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14490587 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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call any fan a moron who took that stance.

It is a player saying he expects to play well and win. How the fuck can you take issue with that?

And it most definitely is ponderous that a player who wants to win is criticized here.

Fuck - if any player but Eli said this - there likely wouldn't be an issue. Eli says it and people take potshots. I'd ask why, but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.


Bobby hart still gets shit for saying his mindset is that he is the best tackle in the league.
RE: I would...  
V.I.G. : 7/3/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14490587 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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call any fan a moron who took that stance.

It is a player saying he expects to play well and win. How the fuck can you take issue with that?

And it most definitely is ponderous that a player who wants to win is criticized here.

Fuck - if any player but Eli said this - there likely wouldn't be an issue. Eli says it and people take potshots. I'd ask why, but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.


Dude - you really need to chill. Drooling invalids?

"The line was horrid", "MacAdoo was a dumpster fire", "OBJ was a distraction", "the defense was non existent". Whether fans agree with these explanations or not, is now IRRELEVANT.

Could we please at least agree that THIS YEAR... there are no more excuses? We now have:
--the best RB in the league
--an above avg line
--above avg veteran WRs
--an above average to potentially elite TE
--2nd year in the Shurmur offense

Injuries aside, this offense should be a top 10, if Eli is even average. You can't possibly disagree with that.
RE: it's a sports fan site!!!  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14490605 GiantNatty said:
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why would you at all be surprised that fans would want a player to just shut up and play well? And New York fans at that!



lol..... as Ive stated for over a year now. Worst fans in sports.

We are comparing Eli now to Matt Dodge and Trey Junkin. Just sad now.
RE: RE: I would..  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14490606 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14490587 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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call any fan a moron who took that stance.

It is a player saying he expects to play well and win. How the fuck can you take issue with that?

And it most definitely is ponderous that a player who wants to win is criticized here.

Fuck - if any player but Eli said this - there likely wouldn't be an issue. Eli says it and people take potshots. I'd ask why, but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.



Bobby hart still gets shit for saying his mindset is that he is the best tackle in the league.


Well this correlation makes no sense at all and isnt even close to what Eli said. Good try though?
Fair warning on  
crick n NC : 7/3/2019 11:20 am : link
Due to my salivaitis, My handshakes...they have been known to be on the soggy side. My close friend(s) call me Soggy, due to my soggy shakes. 😷
RE: RE: I would...  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14490610 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14490587 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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call any fan a moron who took that stance.

It is a player saying he expects to play well and win. How the fuck can you take issue with that?

And it most definitely is ponderous that a player who wants to win is criticized here.

Fuck - if any player but Eli said this - there likely wouldn't be an issue. Eli says it and people take potshots. I'd ask why, but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.



Dude - you really need to chill. Drooling invalids?

"The line was horrid", "MacAdoo was a dumpster fire", "OBJ was a distraction", "the defense was non existent". Whether fans agree with these explanations or not, is now IRRELEVANT.

Could we please at least agree that THIS YEAR... there are no more excuses? We now have:
--the best RB in the league
--an above avg line
--above avg veteran WRs
--an above average to potentially elite TE
--2nd year in the Shurmur offense

Injuries aside, this offense should be a top 10, if Eli is even average. You can't possibly disagree with that.


You do know FMIC isnt talking about Eli's play. He is taking posters to task on shitting on a player who wants to be part of winning team and working hard on turning the team around. and posters basically telling him to shut up and play.

Do you know how asinine that is?
One more year of this bullshit complaining and excuse making.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 11:23 am : link
THANK GOD!
RE: RE: RE: I would...  
ron mexico : 7/3/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14490619 dep026 said:
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In comment 14490610 V.I.G. said:


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In comment 14490587 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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call any fan a moron who took that stance.

It is a player saying he expects to play well and win. How the fuck can you take issue with that?

And it most definitely is ponderous that a player who wants to win is criticized here.

Fuck - if any player but Eli said this - there likely wouldn't be an issue. Eli says it and people take potshots. I'd ask why, but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.



Dude - you really need to chill. Drooling invalids?

"The line was horrid", "MacAdoo was a dumpster fire", "OBJ was a distraction", "the defense was non existent". Whether fans agree with these explanations or not, is now IRRELEVANT.

Could we please at least agree that THIS YEAR... there are no more excuses? We now have:
--the best RB in the league
--an above avg line
--above avg veteran WRs
--an above average to potentially elite TE
--2nd year in the Shurmur offense

Injuries aside, this offense should be a top 10, if Eli is even average. You can't possibly disagree with that.



You do know FMIC isnt talking about Eli's play. He is taking posters to task on shitting on a player who wants to be part of winning team and working hard on turning the team around. and posters basically telling him to shut up and play.

Do you know how asinine that is?


The post he responded to was talking about Elis play. But in typical form FMIC moves the goal posts so he can win an internet argument.
RE: I have  
BlueHurricane : 7/3/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14490557 crick n NC said:
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Always loved how Eli has carried himself as a Giant, regardless of his success here. He has been a major part of my greatest sports moments that ended with championships.

I generally don't like to criticize players simply because in reality I am a nobody when it comes to knowing what goes on during a game or behind the scenes in locker rooms etc. As for Manning, it feels especially wrong to take digs at him considering what he helped deliver to us fans over his great Giant career. Now, what doesn't feel right to me doesn't apply to anyone else, but Eli is a special player to me and deservedly so in my opinion.


More people need to feel as you do.
RE: One more year of this bullshit complaining and excuse making.  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14490622 Dave in Hoboken said:
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THANK GOD!


And you will be leading the Anti-Eli campaign for the what.... 10-11th straight season?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I would...  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14490625 ron mexico said:
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The post he responded to was talking about Elis play. But in typical form FMIC moves the goal posts so he can win an internet argument.


Atually no he isnt. Its the people who have shitted on Eli for his career that are moving the goal posts.

Again, please read what was said - all Eli wants to do is play his best, work hard, and turn the Giants into a winning team. Yet, the SAME people here make it about his play and shit on his statement.

Very sad and pathetic.
Haha. Weirdo.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 11:28 am : link
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RE: Haha. Weirdo.  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14490634 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Comming from the guy who posted people are going to make excuses for Eli even though no one is?

Yeah, I'm the weirdo.
Some do for sure.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 11:31 am : link
I thought you were ignoring me, creepo?
Why wouldn't it be about his play?  
ron mexico : 7/3/2019 11:31 am : link
At the end of the day, isn't that what matters?
RE: I would..  
Reb8thVA : 7/3/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14490587 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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call any fan a moron who took that stance.

It is a player saying he expects to play well and win. How the fuck can you take issue with that?

And it most definitely is ponderous that a player who wants to win is criticized here.

Fuck - if any player but Eli said this - there likely wouldn't be an issue. Eli says it and people take potshots. I'd ask why, but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.



Yup, and the same clowns that chomp at the bit to criticize Eli on every occasion will be the hypocrites crowing how they were his biggest fan, when Eli does retire. The point isn't that you can't criticize Eli or his play. Do it in a way that is dignified and respectful of his accomplishments and the efforts he has given over the last 15-16 years. Some people clearly don't have that in their DNA to do that. The bile that permeates this site these days has turned it into a cesspool.
RE: Why wouldn't it be about his play?  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14490639 ron mexico said:
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At the end of the day, isn't that what matters?


Right? Don’t even bother.
RE: Why wouldn't it be about his play?  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14490639 ron mexico said:
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At the end of the day, isn't that what matters?


Why judge something which you dont understand?

As far as your question..... the uy was asked a question... and gave the riht answer. And yet people shit on it. Those people, have serious issues.
Pathetico  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:34 am : link
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RE: RE: I would...  
Rong5611 : 7/3/2019 11:35 am : link
I would not call our WR's "above average" and our TE "Elite".

Our WR's are AVERAGE. The TE has POTENTIAL, but has not backed up his draft position so far.

Our RB is awesome and will be even better. Based on this and the improved OL, we have a shot at Top 10. But it is not a gimmee.


In comment 14490610 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14490587 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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call any fan a moron who took that stance.

It is a player saying he expects to play well and win. How the fuck can you take issue with that?

And it most definitely is ponderous that a player who wants to win is criticized here.

Fuck - if any player but Eli said this - there likely wouldn't be an issue. Eli says it and people take potshots. I'd ask why, but apparently I can't question the motivations of drooling invalids.



Dude - you really need to chill. Drooling invalids?

"The line was horrid", "MacAdoo was a dumpster fire", "OBJ was a distraction", "the defense was non existent". Whether fans agree with these explanations or not, is now IRRELEVANT.

Could we please at least agree that THIS YEAR... there are no more excuses? We now have:
--the best RB in the league
--an above avg line
--above avg veteran WRs
--an above average to potentially elite TE
--2nd year in the Shurmur offense

Injuries aside, this offense should be a top 10, if Eli is even average. You can't possibly disagree with that.
What..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 11:42 am : link
goalposts did I move??

There is an article quoting Eli for saying he is excited for this season, to make strides in the second year of the offense and to work together with the WR's.

And he is getting criticized for it.

What goalposts are being moved in saying those criticizing him for those words are being fucking moronic?

Like Reb said above - this isn't about criticizing his play - there is a time and place to do it. What some of you simply don't grasp is that you do it on every fucking thread about the guy.

Ponderous sums it up pretty well and the fact you don't think it is moronic says a lot about the mindset being presented.
And whats funny for the people complaining  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:42 am : link
about Eli's play are the same postes who for years have been saying the personnel is good enough for his to succeed. Yet, in the last 2 years, we got 5 new offensive lineman, got rid of players who are either not in the league or irreleveant to their new teams future, and the ones who are still playing are being looked upon by their new teams fans.

Beckham will buck that trend at least initially. But its hard to be a great player when your surrounded by utter shit for the last 6-7 years, outside OBJ and SB. and we only had SB for 1 year.
Not surprisingly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 11:46 am : link
you miss the point.

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Bobby hart still gets shit for saying his mindset is that he is the best tackle in the league


In what part of Hart's statement is he saying he wants to win? He selfishly proclaimed himself the best tackle in the game. Said nothing about that leading to wins, just focused on the point he's the best.

If you can't see that's a complete opposite to what Eli has said for years - I don't know what the fuck to tell you.

Bobby Hart got shit for saying he's a great player, with no additional commentary about how that relates to his teammates or winning.
If only the giants could find some real talent to surround  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 11:46 am : link
The franchise QB around. He never has any talent around him. Meanwhile, these same peolple who think talent was the problem are the same geeks who defended Reese on here for years and years and didn’t change their mind on him until the very end. Hilarious.
RE: If only the giants could find some real talent to surround  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14490662 Dave in Hoboken said:
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The franchise QB around. He never has any talent around him. Meanwhile, these same peolple who think talent was the problem are the same geeks who defended Reese on here for years and years and didn’t change their mind on him until the very end. Hilarious.


This post makes 0 sense because its not even remotely true and its a sad attempt to be funny. Sad thing though, is the poster actually believes this.
Let's propose..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 11:48 am : link
strawmen arguments to pass the time today.

When shitting on Eli fails - it is time for Plan B!!
I guess it's been a while since the last pointless  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/3/2019 11:49 am : link
Eli Manning argument.
RE: Let's propose..  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14490668 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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strawmen arguments to pass the time today.

When shitting on Eli fails - it is time for Plan B!!


I like the switching to topics that either:

A) Dont make sense
B) No one ever said
C) Making up shit cause they have been exposed

I am convinced there are posters (on this thread mainly) that rather see Eli fail than Eli succeed.
RE: RE: If only the giants could find some real talent to surround  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14490666 dep026 said:
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In comment 14490662 Dave in Hoboken said:


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The franchise QB around. He never has any talent around him. Meanwhile, these same peolple who think talent was the problem are the same geeks who defended Reese on here for years and years and didn’t change their mind on him until the very end. Hilarious.



This post makes 0 sense because its not even remotely true and its a sad attempt to be funny. Sad thing though, is the poster actually believes this.
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Because it’s true. Coming from someone who has the issues that you have, I have no problem with your post. If you disagree with me, I take it as a compliment.
RE: RE: RE: I would...  
V.I.G. : 7/3/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14490648 Rong5611 said:
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I would not call our WR's "above average" and our TE "Elite".

Our WR's are AVERAGE. The TE has POTENTIAL, but has not backed up his draft position so far.

Our RB is awesome and will be even better. Based on this and the improved OL, we have a shot at Top 10. But it is not a gimmee.



I think 11 teams have a better WR group
CIN, CLE, HOU, LAC, OAK, ARI, ATL, GB, LAR, MIN, TB,

Hard pressed to stretch that to 16, so "above avg" seems right

Your thoughts welcome

and as far as TE - i said above avg - to elite. stand by that.
WR depth charts - ( New Window )
RE: I guess it's been a while since the last pointless  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14490670 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Eli Manning argument.


See this is what should bother people who want rational discussion on this site.

These are some of the most innocent quotes from Eli. He wants to win. He is excited for year 2. He thinks highly of his teammates.

Yet the SAME posters come to this thread just to shit on Eli as if he did something wrong. Shit, he didnt even throw a game changing INT in the first quarter yet - and people cant help themselves.

The people who shit on Eli on even positive threads are frankly desperate people who need to move on.
RE: RE: RE: If only the giants could find some real talent to surround  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14490672 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Because it’s true. Coming from someone who has the issues that you have, I have no problem with your post. If you disagree with me, I take it as a compliment.


A guy coming to an Eli thread where to shit on him where he wants to win shouldnt come after someone and said he has issues. You root against the QB of the team you supposedly root for and claim I have issues? LOL, think about that for a second.

If my biggest issue is rooting for a player on my team, then I am doing ok.
It’s not even a big deal anymore anyway.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 11:55 am : link
We’re on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020. I don’t think anyone thinks elibsaid anything wrong here. He didn’t. But when the team has been trash for the last 7 years; stuff like this kind of goes in one ear and out the other.
But it..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 11:57 am : link
didn't go in one ear and out the other.

It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.
RE: But it..  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14490682 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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didn't go in one ear and out the other.

It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.


And start bringing up people are making excuses for him when no one even talked about it.... haha
RE: It’s not even a big deal anymore anyway.  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14490679 Dave in Hoboken said:
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We’re on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020.


And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!

Just asinine.
I don't think  
GiantGrit : 7/3/2019 12:31 pm : link
Most of the posts on this thread have been too bad regarding Eli. I've read worst. The nature of sports in NY - what have you done for me lately? The Giants, and Eli, haven't done anything. Do i think its right he is often lambasted? I do not, as i've posted countless times many factors out of his control kept the team from contending. Now he's old.

Kinda like some Knicks fans who keep saying "why the Nets? The Knicks are bigger?"

Yes, the Knicks are bigger and more popular. But the fans are more representative of the culture here - they love their teams, but patience lacks. Guys would rather enjoy the city and not have to deal with those kind of fans. Is it mentally weak? Good argument it is, but if someone knows they don't want to handle that BS, why put yourself in a situation where you'll have to?

Leading me back to Eli. He chose New York, he's dealt with the media masterfully. He helped lead the Giants to one of the biggest upsets in sports. 4 years later, he told the world he was elite - he was laughed at. He then produced his best season ever AND won a title again. Totally backed up his talk. He walked the walk.

So, is Eli Manning declining? Yes. Are fans within their right to point this out and clamor for the new era? Yes.

But the reality is, many posters on here have already forgotten how awesome this guys career was. He WANTED New York, and he delivered 2 titles (with help of course). Don't sneeze at that. For one last time, i hope he reminds everyone how fortunate we were to have him as our quarterback. His clutchness may not walk through the doors here for awhile.
RE: RE: I guess it's been a while since the last pointless  
Default : 7/3/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14490674 dep026 said:
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Eli Manning argument.



See this is what should bother people who want rational discussion on this site.


That should be who, you and a few others considering...

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I would venture 99.9% of BBi doesnt understand QB play.... so how could they judge it?

RE: RE: RE: I guess it's been a while since the last pointless  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14490717 Default said:
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Eli Manning argument.



See this is what should bother people who want rational discussion on this site.




That should be who, you and a few others considering...



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I would venture 99.9% of BBi doesnt understand QB play.... so how could they judge it?



People who have coached and played the position. When I read what Eli should or shouldnt do - the majority of BBI posters dont know what they are talking about.

There are a lot of things I dont try to stick my chest out over like OL play, salary cap issues, LB play etc.... and how the players or GMs should do their job cause I dont know much about it.

Its ok to discuss or ask questions.... but to definitively say you are right on a topic on something you dont know or never did is kind of funny, no?
RE: RE: It’s not even a big deal anymore anyway.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14490688 dep026 said:
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In comment 14490679 Dave in Hoboken said:


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We’re on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020.



And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!

Just asinine.


Wait, how exactly is that 'asinine?' In 2020, we have a TON of money coming off the cap, it's the start of a new decade, and new chapter in Giants football, when we're currently coming off an awful past 7 years.

Yeah. Just 'asinine.' Seek help ASAP, buddy.
RE: But it..  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/3/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14490682 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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didn't go in one ear and out the other.

It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.


And that works both ways.
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/3/2019 1:04 pm : link
it doesn't go both ways.

There isn't a side here championing that the words mean great things and illustrate that Eli is on the cusp of greatness, but there is a side saying the words don't matter while bitching exactly about said words.

Doesn't it suck to have to look for Eli threads just to shit on the guy?

RE: RE: RE: It’s not even a big deal anymore anyway.  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14490740 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14490679 Dave in Hoboken said:


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We’re on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020.



And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!

Just asinine.



Wait, how exactly is that 'asinine?' In 2020, we have a TON of money coming off the cap, it's the start of a new decade, and new chapter in Giants football, when we're currently coming off an awful past 7 years.

Yeah. Just 'asinine.' Seek help ASAP, buddy.


I need help? You have given up on 2019 before it has ever happened. You are more excited about "cap room" than watching guys like barkley, hernandez, Carter, hill, Baker, Lawrence, etc... grow as players. It is fucking asinine, but not the least bit surprising.

If you are so looking forward to 2020, can we at least not see you post until then? The constant shitting on certain players will not be missed.

RE: But..  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14490748 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it doesn't go both ways.

There isn't a side here championing that the words mean great things and illustrate that Eli is on the cusp of greatness, but there is a side saying the words don't matter while bitching exactly about said words.

Doesn't it suck to have to look for Eli threads just to shit on the guy?


He doesnt need Eli threads to shit on Eli. He pretty much does it on any thread he wants. Just look for the 1 PM and 4 PM game threads or the MNF or TNF threads where somerandom QB throws a TD. He will basically slobber over them as a way to say Eli cant do that. He even admits he does it. He has been doing it for a dozen years. He rather see Eli suck this year so he doesnt have to watch him play in 2020.

Most Giants fans want Eli to start next year because it means:

A) he had an awesome year
B) The giants had a great year too.

Dave isnt one of those posters. If you ask him what he rather have..... Daniel Jones starting in 2020 or the Giants win the SB with Eli in 2019, he would choose the former. He'll deny it but his history of posting and shitting on Eli would support my claim.
But Ill let  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 1:12 pm : link
this turn back into a bitch about Eli-fest. Its been a few days where BBI complained that he wants to work hard and win.

Damn him!
Crick78  
crick n NC : 7/3/2019 1:19 pm : link
Is excited about Daniel Jones bitchfest threads which are inevitable regardless of anyone knowing what they "is talkin bout"
Damn fail  
crick n NC : 7/3/2019 1:20 pm : link
Old handle crick78
RE: Crick78  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14490761 crick n NC said:
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Is excited about Daniel Jones bitchfest threads which are inevitable regardless of anyone knowing what they "is talkin bout"


It will only take a first quarter INT before it begins.
Great attitude and desire plus the experience  
TMS : 7/3/2019 1:45 pm : link
both good and bad, to know what it takes to win in this league. Wish him the best but this is his, "show me year", in this town for sure, with Jones on board. This is not a forgiving place if they think you are the cause of their misery.
RE: RE: Please keep the turnovers down. Every time a pick is thrown it  
81_Great_Dane : 7/3/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14490522 dep026 said:
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give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.



So somewhere between 10-11 INTs good for you?
There was a point at which Parcells told Simms "If you don't throw two interceptions today, you're not taking enough chances." Less than one INT/game would be ok if the offense is high-scoring. We haven't seen a truly high-scoring O from the Giants in what, decades?
RE: comments were made that it's just words  
Johnny5 : 7/3/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14490585 GiantNatty said:
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and it is. The fact is, he can sit there and say he wants to win games all he wants, but when he performs like he has for several seasons in a row, there's nothing wrong with people pointing that out.

What's "fucking ponderous" is that this is a fan website but if a fan's opinion isn't in line with yours, they have to be a moron. Give me a break.

If it were any other player on this team - if Nate Solder came out and said "I want to earn my contract," I want to win more games," etc., and some fans said "hey, you can talk all you want, but how about you just play better," you would have no problem with it. But you have such an irrational hard on for Eli, that you actually get upset when people criticize him.

Get over it.

The problem is, it doesn't take a fucking rocket surgeon to figure out that:
A) His line has sucked for 8 years. Literally bottom of the league for how many years now.
B) His running game has sucked for about that long
C) He is in his 3rd offensive system in 4 years

Ah fuck it, maybe it does take a rocket surgeon.

At the end of the day, instead of shitting on one guy on the offense over and over and over again, let's see what he does in year 2 of Shurmur's system with an actual offensive line in front of him.
RE: RE: Please keep the turnovers down. Every time a pick is thrown it  
Blue21 : 7/3/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14490522 dep026 said:
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give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.



So somewhere between 10-11 INTs good for you?


Yes.Tops just like last year but unfortunetly 14,15 and higher, for an elite QB which is what I like to consider him, is not. Look, we're going to miss him when he's gone but what I've always considered what keeps him from being listed as a top 5 QB every year is his interceptions.
There are a few questions to be answered this season.  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/3/2019 2:34 pm : link
1) Can Eli still play at a high level?
2) Is the Giants OL really fixed now to at least a league average level?
3) How much will OBJ be missed?
4) Can Engram stay healthy and be productive for at least 14/16 games?
5) Is there a deep threat WR on this roster who can be counted on AT ALL?

And IMO, the most important one:

6) Are Eli Manning's skills a decent fit for Pat Shurmur's offense featuring Saquon Barkley and (IMO) Evan Engram?

Eli can still be pretty darn good, but not really satisfy #6. IE, what happens to a vertical deep ball thrower in horizontally based offense?
Hope Eli lights it up this year.  
Britt in VA : 7/3/2019 2:50 pm : link
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RE: Hope Eli lights it up this year.  
Thegratefulhead : 7/3/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14490851 Britt in VA said:
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I think whoever QBs the Giants in 2019 is going to do well. I can't imagine Eli not playing much better than we have recently seen with this OL and Barkley. I would prefer to play Jones as I don't think we are winning anything this year and a year of experience for Jones is valuable to me. That said, I will be VERY happy if Eli gets a chance to throw some shade at his detractors. It will change the entire narrative on the end of his career if he can have a great season this year.
I think the point is, that it’s nothing about his play  
Bill L : 7/3/2019 3:21 pm : link
The comments were not critique. They were not cogent, they were not intelligent, they were not relevant, they were not mature, they indicated nothing of any football acumen or even every day sentience.

They were simply the same old, gratuitous, “what do you want for dinner? ...Eli sucks,....it’s raining outside....Eli sucks” froth that is the not just the sum, but the entirety of conversation contribution.

If the refrain were maybe saved for a game or for even a relevant point, maybe they would at least have meaning, if not novelty.
RE: RE: yeah, it's totally inappropriate  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/3/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14490533 dep026 said:
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for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!



Yes, lets shit and get on a player who talks about wanting to win and turn things around! Thats what great fans do! Only one of the hardest working players in our franchise deserves shit for wanting to...... WIN.

BBI's best sometimes isnt as good as Eli's worst. Thats pretty much a fact.

I mean, we could all be realistic about the motives behind any player paying lip service to "I just want to win" and ignore the underlying message of "I've made a shit ton of money playing this game and I'd like to continue making that money" but that might require a departure from hero worship, so why bother?

I mean, don't guys who just want to win occasionally restructure their contract to help the team build their supporting cast?
The shit on BBI bingo card is almost complete  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 3:48 pm : link
we got...

- prove it on the field!
- He doesnt have it anymore!
- he throws too many INTs!
- he makes too much money!
- He's selfish!
- BBI making excuses for Eli!

BINGO!!!
RE: RE: RE: yeah, it's totally inappropriate  
Bill L : 7/3/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14490877 Gatorade Dunk said:
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for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!



Yes, lets shit and get on a player who talks about wanting to win and turn things around! Thats what great fans do! Only one of the hardest working players in our franchise deserves shit for wanting to...... WIN.

BBI's best sometimes isnt as good as Eli's worst. Thats pretty much a fact.


I mean, we could all be realistic about the motives behind any player paying lip service to "I just want to win" and ignore the underlying message of "I've made a shit ton of money playing this game and I'd like to continue making that money" but that might require a departure from hero worship, so why bother?

I mean, don't guys who just want to win occasionally restructure their contract to help the team build their supporting cast?


Haha, I’m sure you’ll find tons of his teammates (or people who just know him) to agree with you that Eli has no interest in winning.
And Eli has restructured his contract before  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 3:50 pm : link
so that was a pretty insightful post.
RE: And Eli has restructured his contract before  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/3/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14490889 dep026 said:
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so that was a pretty insightful post.

You're right, he did. Once, in 2012, coming off his best season and a Super Bowl MVP. You could make a case that he had as much leverage at that point as any other in his career, and he chose to help the team. Granted, he still got every cent he was owed; it was just converted to bonus from salary, but that's generally how it happens. I stand corrected.

Still, I think it might have been helpful the past few years to rework his contract to give him the help he clearly needed. But I'm not privy to whether the team ever even approached him about anything like that so it's not fair to blame him for it without enough information.
What help do they clearly need?  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 6:46 pm : link
Overspend on FAs like 2016 that turned out to be a monumental bust.

Who could we have signed? The fact is the team got this way with poor drafting, dumb FA signings, hanging onto players for too long, and poor coaching.

Not one player not restructuring. Plus, the last time he did that.... our franchise went down the tubes and are in one of our worst eras ever.

But yeah, Elis not a team player for that. Good call!
RE: RE: But it..  
map7711 : 7/3/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14490742 Dave in Hoboken said:
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didn't go in one ear and out the other.

It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.



And that works both ways.


I’m assuming you can’t watch the two SBs with any joy. How can you? You hate Eli sooo much that there’s just no way. And don’t tell me you don’t. They way you act towards the guy who gave us so much says it all. You just don’t say we need to move on, you take it to a far higher level. On a personal level. Just a shame.
RE: What help do they clearly need?  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/3/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14491055 dep026 said:
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Overspend on FAs like 2016 that turned out to be a monumental bust.

Who could we have signed? The fact is the team got this way with poor drafting, dumb FA signings, hanging onto players for too long, and poor coaching.

Not one player not restructuring. Plus, the last time he did that.... our franchise went down the tubes and are in one of our worst eras ever.

But yeah, Elis not a team player for that. Good call!

JFC I said I stood corrected. Sorry for insulting your fucking crush.

But you and several others have been quick to point out how neglected Eli's supporting cast has been as part of the explanation for his declining performance over the past few years. Guess what? It's a salary cap league. Additional cap space could at least have given the team additional opportunities to get Eli some support.

And are you trying to suggest that Eli restructuring was some sort of bad luck moment? You're a weird dude.
I’m weird  
dep026 : 7/3/2019 9:11 pm : link
For pointing out your obsession of Eli’s contracts and how much money he is made?

I think it’s weird you calling Eli selfish over the last 6-7 years, even though his contract had no bearing on us signing any free agent we wanted. Or maybe you forgot the 200 million plus we spent in 2016.

But I’m sure you will tell us many times during the year that Eli will make more money than any NFL player ever (which will be short lived by the way) and proclaim he wasn’t worth it. That beat has been going on for years strong, amirite?
RE: I guess it's been a while since the last pointless  
Amazinz : 7/3/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14490670 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Eli Manning argument.


Yup. But we didn't have to wait long for the last one of your useless points.
RE: I’m weird  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/4/2019 7:47 am : link
In comment 14491211 dep026 said:
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For pointing out your obsession of Eli’s contracts and how much money he is made?

I think it’s weird you calling Eli selfish over the last 6-7 years, even though his contract had no bearing on us signing any free agent we wanted. Or maybe you forgot the 200 million plus we spent in 2016.

But I’m sure you will tell us many times during the year that Eli will make more money than any NFL player ever (which will be short lived by the way) and proclaim he wasn’t worth it. That beat has been going on for years strong, amirite?

No, you're weird for a shit ton of reasons, the most recent of which is suggesting that Eli agreeing to restructure his contract in 2012 represented some sort of turning point in the franchise's fortune, as though it all could have been avoided if they had just left that money as salary instead of converting it to bonus. If that was too difficult to understand, maybe a different adjective fits instead of just weird.
Seems like someone is twisting words  
dep026 : 7/4/2019 8:00 am : link
And attacking a poster after he was proven wrong. There’s definitely a different meaning for you.

Again how sad is it for someone to come to a thread to insult and attack a player (wrongly I made add) for wanting to win. Multiple times I may add...Great fan I’ll tell ya...
In 2018, 7 QBs threw 14 or more INTs, including Roethlisberger (16)  
Ivan15 : 7/4/2019 8:02 am : link
and Luck. 19 QBs threw 11 or more, including Eli (11).

What more do you want Eli to do?

I would be happy with 16 and 32+ TDs if the team was putting up 30 points per game. That didn’t happen last year because the offense struggled in the first half.
9-7 last year at a minimum  
YorkAveGiant : 7/4/2019 10:46 am : link
If the defense could hold a 2 minute lead.

Eli had a fine year.

Especially since that browns WR took the $$, barely showed up, then quit.
dep  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/4/2019 12:28 pm : link
Some people, myself included, have been too tough on Eli at times. But I feel as though you are incapable of being critical of his play and lash at anyone who dare say that his play be commensurate with his play. In the event Eli plays poorly and Jones thrives with the same cast of characters would you then consider conceding that Eli’s eroding skills may have been part of the problem?
Play commensurate with  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/4/2019 12:29 pm : link
His pay *
RE: dep  
Johnny5 : 7/4/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14491723 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Some people, myself included, have been too tough on Eli at times. But I feel as though you are incapable of being critical of his play and lash at anyone who dare say that his play be commensurate with his play. In the event Eli plays poorly and Jones thrives with the same cast of characters would you then consider conceding that Eli’s eroding skills may have been part of the problem?

I'll defend dep here and disagree. We all know Eli is in the twilight, but the incessant bashing drives people like dep (and me) absolute bat shit so we point out the obvious over and over again. There's a (very good) reason Reese and Ross are not here anymore running the show. And frankly they should have been shown the door before Coughlin (or Gilbride for that matter). This franchise (Reese and Ross specifically) wasted many prime years of a great NY Giants QB. It's sickening after all the guy has done here to hear people shit on the guy over and over again for all of the offensive woes over the last few years.
Thank God for Eli  
xman : 7/4/2019 3:16 pm : link
he made Kerry Collins a distant memory and replaced Kurt Warner on the field. Those two were close to done. But that is the state of Eli today

If the team failed Eli the past few years with the poor OL I wonder if the same could be said for Russell, Rodgers , Rivers etc. In this day and age a QB needs to bring more to the table then Eli does
I’m curious to see how he plays this year  
UberAlias : 7/4/2019 3:20 pm : link
Actually looking forward to seeing how it plays out. This team is not there yet, but they have enough to be competitive and a light schedule on paper. Its going to be interesting.
RE: Thank God for Eli  
Johnny5 : 7/4/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14491810 xman said:
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he made Kerry Collins a distant memory and replaced Kurt Warner on the field. Those two were close to done. But that is the state of Eli today

If the team failed Eli the past few years with the poor OL I wonder if the same could be said for Russell, Rodgers , Rivers etc. In this day and age a QB needs to bring more to the table then Eli does

Bullshit. And it's not just OL. It was just OL when Coughlin was still here. If you didn't notice the offense completely changed when Coughlin was shown the door. Rivers and Rothlisberger have had the same coaching staffs and offenses for how long? And Rivers has a fantastic coordinator in Whisenhunt. Eli has not only had shit OL for 8 years, he is in his 3rd offensive scheme in 4 years.
RE: dep  
Bill L : 7/4/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14491723 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Some people, myself included, have been too tough on Eli at times. But I feel as though you are incapable of being critical of his play and lash at anyone who dare say that his play be commensurate with his play. In the event Eli plays poorly and Jones thrives with the same cast of characters would you then consider conceding that Eli’s eroding skills may have been part of the problem?


The main point is and has always been that that s completely irrelevant to the story and the thread, which are both simply about him saying he’s motivated for the upcoming season.

But it turned into another springboard, as if any topic didn’t catalyze the radical, for the tired, incessant diatribe of anti-Eli invective by the scurrilous.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 7/4/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14491723 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Some people, myself included, have been too tough on Eli at times. But I feel as though you are incapable of being critical of his play and lash at anyone who dare say that his play be commensurate with his play. In the event Eli plays poorly and Jones thrives with the same cast of characters would you then consider conceding that Eli’s eroding skills may have been part of the problem?
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Here's the thing. One of the reasons why I have defended Eli so much in the last 6 years is because I think his O-Line and for the most part his skill positions were below NFL standard, especially the OL. Yes he had OBJ, and he had SB last year. And SS has flashed. But its really never come together with the offesne because we either have been so weak on the OL or the supporting cast around OBJ havent been a threat.

I think the OL is going to much improve. So if they give Eli time and the ability to make throws down the field and he fails - then I have no problem seeing what Jones has. But if he is going to be sacked 50 times, many of which before the WRs can even finish their routes, and pressured another 50 - its still going to be tough to judge on what he can do (any type of struggle this year makes the point moot since he will be replaced.)

I think its unfair to look at what a person makes, and then determine if he is worth the value when he is surrounded with sub par teammates. I fully admit there have been a lot of games where Eli could have played better since 2013. But sometimes its tough to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

But I do believe we are on the right path. Better OL, great RB, viable WRs, game changing TE. Its time for Eli to prove he still has it. But everyone still needs to perform around him.
Eli as the QB undeserving carries the lion share of the blame  
G-crew18 : 7/4/2019 11:08 pm : link
I think the past management team did Eli a great disservice after delivering the 2011 championship. In fact, the 2011 NFC championship was indicative of the true status of the Giants OL as Eli was brutalized in that game yet when given the opportunity he manned up, rose and delivered. Since then the Giants OL has gone from porous to bad, horrendous to atrocious degenerating to finally destroying Eli confidence in their ability to give him time to perform or willingness to protect his health. In 2016 we saw a glimpse of the champion Eli at Green Bay in the playoffs, only to be completely let down by a team wilting when the light was brightest.

It has yet to be determined if Eli given time to perform will overcome his nervousness in the pocket. Many good QB's have failed to overcome the fear which becomes manifest by the will to survive and desire to avoid injury. Physically he has demonstrated the ability to perform at a high level. Eli can still make all the NFL throws necessary to be successful NFL QB but can he again retain the composure necessary to allow the plays to develop downfield to take advantage of the opportunity to make the big play.

I think that the presence of Daniel Jones along with the rebuilt OL may motivate Eli to conquer his nervousness regaining his prowess as an elite NFL QB.
The interesting  
mittenedman : 7/5/2019 10:07 am : link
part of this - for me - was his statement that they picked up guys who fit the offense.

Shurmur likes to play a team game where the ball gets spread around and everybody run blocks and keeps their mouth shut.

I took Manning's comments as a subtle dig at OBJ. Tate isn't as talented as OBJ but he's a selfless, tough-minded, team-first WR who blocks, has great hands, makes tough catches and will be accountable to his teammates.

You don't need a Ferrari at WR - you need a group of guys who fit well together and complement eachother.
Quick look on thread has about 3 posts being critical of Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 7/5/2019 1:15 pm : link
and about 40+ posts from two other posters criticizing everybody else...
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