in Year 16...
"They've been doing some losing lately, and he doesn't like it and he wants to turn that around," Archie Manning said. "Eli realizes the situation. They drafted a young quarterback. They've got to win some games. He knows that. But he's attacking it full speed. Eli has a great mindset to be a quarterback and a football player. He knows he can play at a high level, and he thinks he can lead his team so we're pulling hard for him."
Manning expects giant strides, especially since it'll be his second season in offensive coordinator Mike Shula's system.
It'll be the first time since 2013 Manning won't have fellow Newman alum Odell Beckham Jr. to throw to. Beckham was traded to the Cleveland Browns, one of several major moves the Giants made.
"We've been aggressive in the offseason and made some change," Manning said. "We brought in some new linemen, brought in (receiver) Golden Tate and also made some defensive moves as well. I'm excited about the way the spring worked and having guys to fit the offense and fit this style. It's going to be fun."
Those close to Eli know just how determined he is to help the Giants turn things around. They know what drives him.
A lot of times people ask guys 'What are you going to do with the money you made?' Peyton Manning said. "Instead of saying, 'I'm going to buy this or buy that,' they should say 'l'm going to try to earn it.' Go earn it, and I think that's what Eli feels."
Eli says his motivation is simple.
Winning football games is what he says drives him.
"It's such a great feeling in that locker room when you win games," Eli said. "You want everybody to experience that. You want those guys who haven't won a championship to get that feeling also. That means so much to your family and everybody who has been a part of your football career, from your high school coaches to your college coaches. When you win a championship, everybody wins."
So Manning wants to stick around as long as he can.
He laughed at the notion of playing another eight or nine years, which would allow him to possibly play with his nephew Arch, Cooper's son and a freshman at Newman. Eli knows he's probably closer to joining big brother Peyton in retirement than he is of playing against Lil Arch.
But he's not looking that far ahead either.
"I'm not rushing into retirement, and Peyton's not telling me to rush into it," Eli said. "I still love being around the guys and the teammates and playing this game. I'm going to play it for as long as I think I can hang with these guys."
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When shitting on Eli fails - it is time for Plan B!!
I like the switching to topics that either:
A) Dont make sense
B) No one ever said
C) Making up shit cause they have been exposed
I am convinced there are posters (on this thread mainly) that rather see Eli fail than Eli succeed.
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The franchise QB around. He never has any talent around him. Meanwhile, these same peolple who think talent was the problem are the same geeks who defended Reese on here for years and years and didn’t change their mind on him until the very end. Hilarious.
This post makes 0 sense because its not even remotely true and its a sad attempt to be funny. Sad thing though, is the poster actually believes this.
Because it’s true. Coming from someone who has the issues that you have, I have no problem with your post. If you disagree with me, I take it as a compliment.
Our WR's are AVERAGE. The TE has POTENTIAL, but has not backed up his draft position so far.
Our RB is awesome and will be even better. Based on this and the improved OL, we have a shot at Top 10. But it is not a gimmee.
I think 11 teams have a better WR group
CIN, CLE, HOU, LAC, OAK, ARI, ATL, GB, LAR, MIN, TB,
Hard pressed to stretch that to 16, so "above avg" seems right
Your thoughts welcome
and as far as TE - i said above avg - to elite. stand by that.
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See this is what should bother people who want rational discussion on this site.
These are some of the most innocent quotes from Eli. He wants to win. He is excited for year 2. He thinks highly of his teammates.
Yet the SAME posters come to this thread just to shit on Eli as if he did something wrong. Shit, he didnt even throw a game changing INT in the first quarter yet - and people cant help themselves.
The people who shit on Eli on even positive threads are frankly desperate people who need to move on.
Because it’s true. Coming from someone who has the issues that you have, I have no problem with your post. If you disagree with me, I take it as a compliment.
A guy coming to an Eli thread where to shit on him where he wants to win shouldnt come after someone and said he has issues. You root against the QB of the team you supposedly root for and claim I have issues? LOL, think about that for a second.
If my biggest issue is rooting for a player on my team, then I am doing ok.
It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.
It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.
And start bringing up people are making excuses for him when no one even talked about it.... haha
And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!
Just asinine.
Kinda like some Knicks fans who keep saying "why the Nets? The Knicks are bigger?"
Yes, the Knicks are bigger and more popular. But the fans are more representative of the culture here - they love their teams, but patience lacks. Guys would rather enjoy the city and not have to deal with those kind of fans. Is it mentally weak? Good argument it is, but if someone knows they don't want to handle that BS, why put yourself in a situation where you'll have to?
Leading me back to Eli. He chose New York, he's dealt with the media masterfully. He helped lead the Giants to one of the biggest upsets in sports. 4 years later, he told the world he was elite - he was laughed at. He then produced his best season ever AND won a title again. Totally backed up his talk. He walked the walk.
So, is Eli Manning declining? Yes. Are fans within their right to point this out and clamor for the new era? Yes.
But the reality is, many posters on here have already forgotten how awesome this guys career was. He WANTED New York, and he delivered 2 titles (with help of course). Don't sneeze at that. For one last time, i hope he reminds everyone how fortunate we were to have him as our quarterback. His clutchness may not walk through the doors here for awhile.
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Eli Manning argument.
See this is what should bother people who want rational discussion on this site.
That should be who, you and a few others considering...
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In comment 14490670 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Eli Manning argument.
See this is what should bother people who want rational discussion on this site.
That should be who, you and a few others considering...
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I would venture 99.9% of BBi doesnt understand QB play.... so how could they judge it?
People who have coached and played the position. When I read what Eli should or shouldnt do - the majority of BBI posters dont know what they are talking about.
There are a lot of things I dont try to stick my chest out over like OL play, salary cap issues, LB play etc.... and how the players or GMs should do their job cause I dont know much about it.
Its ok to discuss or ask questions.... but to definitively say you are right on a topic on something you dont know or never did is kind of funny, no?
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We’re on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020.
And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!
Just asinine.
Wait, how exactly is that 'asinine?' In 2020, we have a TON of money coming off the cap, it's the start of a new decade, and new chapter in Giants football, when we're currently coming off an awful past 7 years.
Yeah. Just 'asinine.' Seek help ASAP, buddy.
It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.
And that works both ways.
There isn't a side here championing that the words mean great things and illustrate that Eli is on the cusp of greatness, but there is a side saying the words don't matter while bitching exactly about said words.
Doesn't it suck to have to look for Eli threads just to shit on the guy?
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In comment 14490679 Dave in Hoboken said:
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We’re on the cusp of a new era for giants football in 2020.
And this post epitomizes the new fans Giants have. Forget 2019 or how it goes. We want the new era in 2020 to start!
Just asinine.
Wait, how exactly is that 'asinine?' In 2020, we have a TON of money coming off the cap, it's the start of a new decade, and new chapter in Giants football, when we're currently coming off an awful past 7 years.
Yeah. Just 'asinine.' Seek help ASAP, buddy.
I need help? You have given up on 2019 before it has ever happened. You are more excited about "cap room" than watching guys like barkley, hernandez, Carter, hill, Baker, Lawrence, etc... grow as players. It is fucking asinine, but not the least bit surprising.
If you are so looking forward to 2020, can we at least not see you post until then? The constant shitting on certain players will not be missed.
There isn't a side here championing that the words mean great things and illustrate that Eli is on the cusp of greatness, but there is a side saying the words don't matter while bitching exactly about said words.
Doesn't it suck to have to look for Eli threads just to shit on the guy?
He doesnt need Eli threads to shit on Eli. He pretty much does it on any thread he wants. Just look for the 1 PM and 4 PM game threads or the MNF or TNF threads where somerandom QB throws a TD. He will basically slobber over them as a way to say Eli cant do that. He even admits he does it. He has been doing it for a dozen years. He rather see Eli suck this year so he doesnt have to watch him play in 2020.
Most Giants fans want Eli to start next year because it means:
A) he had an awesome year
B) The giants had a great year too.
Dave isnt one of those posters. If you ask him what he rather have..... Daniel Jones starting in 2020 or the Giants win the SB with Eli in 2019, he would choose the former. He'll deny it but his history of posting and shitting on Eli would support my claim.
Damn him!
It will only take a first quarter INT before it begins.
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give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.
So somewhere between 10-11 INTs good for you?
What's "fucking ponderous" is that this is a fan website but if a fan's opinion isn't in line with yours, they have to be a moron. Give me a break.
If it were any other player on this team - if Nate Solder came out and said "I want to earn my contract," I want to win more games," etc., and some fans said "hey, you can talk all you want, but how about you just play better," you would have no problem with it. But you have such an irrational hard on for Eli, that you actually get upset when people criticize him.
Get over it.
The problem is, it doesn't take a fucking rocket surgeon to figure out that:
A) His line has sucked for 8 years. Literally bottom of the league for how many years now.
B) His running game has sucked for about that long
C) He is in his 3rd offensive system in 4 years
Ah fuck it, maybe it does take a rocket surgeon.
At the end of the day, instead of shitting on one guy on the offense over and over and over again, let's see what he does in year 2 of Shurmur's system with an actual offensive line in front of him.
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give the opponents a chance to score and takes one away from you. That's always been my biggest gripe. He anticipates a good year? Good. Then match it with what I said and maybe we got something here.
So somewhere between 10-11 INTs good for you?
Yes.Tops just like last year but unfortunetly 14,15 and higher, for an elite QB which is what I like to consider him, is not. Look, we're going to miss him when he's gone but what I've always considered what keeps him from being listed as a top 5 QB every year is his interceptions.
2) Is the Giants OL really fixed now to at least a league average level?
3) How much will OBJ be missed?
4) Can Engram stay healthy and be productive for at least 14/16 games?
5) Is there a deep threat WR on this roster who can be counted on AT ALL?
And IMO, the most important one:
6) Are Eli Manning's skills a decent fit for Pat Shurmur's offense featuring Saquon Barkley and (IMO) Evan Engram?
Eli can still be pretty darn good, but not really satisfy #6. IE, what happens to a vertical deep ball thrower in horizontally based offense?
They were simply the same old, gratuitous, “what do you want for dinner? ...Eli sucks,....it’s raining outside....Eli sucks” froth that is the not just the sum, but the entirety of conversation contribution.
If the refrain were maybe saved for a game or for even a relevant point, maybe they would at least have meaning, if not novelty.
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for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!
Yes, lets shit and get on a player who talks about wanting to win and turn things around! Thats what great fans do! Only one of the hardest working players in our franchise deserves shit for wanting to...... WIN.
BBI's best sometimes isnt as good as Eli's worst. Thats pretty much a fact.
I mean, we could all be realistic about the motives behind any player paying lip service to "I just want to win" and ignore the underlying message of "I've made a shit ton of money playing this game and I'd like to continue making that money" but that might require a departure from hero worship, so why bother?
I mean, don't guys who just want to win occasionally restructure their contract to help the team build their supporting cast?
- prove it on the field!
- He doesnt have it anymore!
- he throws too many INTs!
- he makes too much money!
- He's selfish!
- BBI making excuses for Eli!
BINGO!!!
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In comment 14490530 GiantNatty said:
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for people to read an article about a player's mindset and have the opinion that the player's mindset/words aren't congruent with his play. How dare they!!!
Yes, lets shit and get on a player who talks about wanting to win and turn things around! Thats what great fans do! Only one of the hardest working players in our franchise deserves shit for wanting to...... WIN.
BBI's best sometimes isnt as good as Eli's worst. Thats pretty much a fact.
I mean, we could all be realistic about the motives behind any player paying lip service to "I just want to win" and ignore the underlying message of "I've made a shit ton of money playing this game and I'd like to continue making that money" but that might require a departure from hero worship, so why bother?
I mean, don't guys who just want to win occasionally restructure their contract to help the team build their supporting cast?
Haha, I’m sure you’ll find tons of his teammates (or people who just know him) to agree with you that Eli has no interest in winning.
You're right, he did. Once, in 2012, coming off his best season and a Super Bowl MVP. You could make a case that he had as much leverage at that point as any other in his career, and he chose to help the team. Granted, he still got every cent he was owed; it was just converted to bonus from salary, but that's generally how it happens. I stand corrected.
Still, I think it might have been helpful the past few years to rework his contract to give him the help he clearly needed. But I'm not privy to whether the team ever even approached him about anything like that so it's not fair to blame him for it without enough information.
Who could we have signed? The fact is the team got this way with poor drafting, dumb FA signings, hanging onto players for too long, and poor coaching.
Not one player not restructuring. Plus, the last time he did that.... our franchise went down the tubes and are in one of our worst eras ever.
But yeah, Elis not a team player for that. Good call!
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didn't go in one ear and out the other.
It elicited moronic rants from some really fucking terrible posters.
And that works both ways.
I’m assuming you can’t watch the two SBs with any joy. How can you? You hate Eli sooo much that there’s just no way. And don’t tell me you don’t. They way you act towards the guy who gave us so much says it all. You just don’t say we need to move on, you take it to a far higher level. On a personal level. Just a shame.
Who could we have signed? The fact is the team got this way with poor drafting, dumb FA signings, hanging onto players for too long, and poor coaching.
Not one player not restructuring. Plus, the last time he did that.... our franchise went down the tubes and are in one of our worst eras ever.
But yeah, Elis not a team player for that. Good call!
JFC I said I stood corrected. Sorry for insulting your fucking crush.
But you and several others have been quick to point out how neglected Eli's supporting cast has been as part of the explanation for his declining performance over the past few years. Guess what? It's a salary cap league. Additional cap space could at least have given the team additional opportunities to get Eli some support.
And are you trying to suggest that Eli restructuring was some sort of bad luck moment? You're a weird dude.
I think it’s weird you calling Eli selfish over the last 6-7 years, even though his contract had no bearing on us signing any free agent we wanted. Or maybe you forgot the 200 million plus we spent in 2016.
But I’m sure you will tell us many times during the year that Eli will make more money than any NFL player ever (which will be short lived by the way) and proclaim he wasn’t worth it. That beat has been going on for years strong, amirite?
Yup. But we didn't have to wait long for the last one of your useless points.
I think it’s weird you calling Eli selfish over the last 6-7 years, even though his contract had no bearing on us signing any free agent we wanted. Or maybe you forgot the 200 million plus we spent in 2016.
But I’m sure you will tell us many times during the year that Eli will make more money than any NFL player ever (which will be short lived by the way) and proclaim he wasn’t worth it. That beat has been going on for years strong, amirite?
No, you're weird for a shit ton of reasons, the most recent of which is suggesting that Eli agreeing to restructure his contract in 2012 represented some sort of turning point in the franchise's fortune, as though it all could have been avoided if they had just left that money as salary instead of converting it to bonus. If that was too difficult to understand, maybe a different adjective fits instead of just weird.
Again how sad is it for someone to come to a thread to insult and attack a player (wrongly I made add) for wanting to win. Multiple times I may add...Great fan I’ll tell ya...
What more do you want Eli to do?
I would be happy with 16 and 32+ TDs if the team was putting up 30 points per game. That didn’t happen last year because the offense struggled in the first half.
Eli had a fine year.
Especially since that browns WR took the $$, barely showed up, then quit.
I'll defend dep here and disagree. We all know Eli is in the twilight, but the incessant bashing drives people like dep (and me) absolute bat shit so we point out the obvious over and over again. There's a (very good) reason Reese and Ross are not here anymore running the show. And frankly they should have been shown the door before Coughlin (or Gilbride for that matter). This franchise (Reese and Ross specifically) wasted many prime years of a great NY Giants QB. It's sickening after all the guy has done here to hear people shit on the guy over and over again for all of the offensive woes over the last few years.
If the team failed Eli the past few years with the poor OL I wonder if the same could be said for Russell, Rodgers , Rivers etc. In this day and age a QB needs to bring more to the table then Eli does
If the team failed Eli the past few years with the poor OL I wonder if the same could be said for Russell, Rodgers , Rivers etc. In this day and age a QB needs to bring more to the table then Eli does
Bullshit. And it's not just OL. It was just OL when Coughlin was still here. If you didn't notice the offense completely changed when Coughlin was shown the door. Rivers and Rothlisberger have had the same coaching staffs and offenses for how long? And Rivers has a fantastic coordinator in Whisenhunt. Eli has not only had shit OL for 8 years, he is in his 3rd offensive scheme in 4 years.
The main point is and has always been that that s completely irrelevant to the story and the thread, which are both simply about him saying he’s motivated for the upcoming season.
But it turned into another springboard, as if any topic didn’t catalyze the radical, for the tired, incessant diatribe of anti-Eli invective by the scurrilous.