With Colin Kaepernick again pursuing the sins of the public, can we get a list of offensive items and references I need to avoid?
When Betsy Fucking Ross is knitting symbols of oppression, I'm assuming there has to be some history we can keep referencing without pissing off those who claim to be for "free speech".
I'd play God Bless America in tribute, but that makes me a Nazi-loving stooge. I might even offer up some nickels and dollar bills to give to the cause, but those pieces of money are tarnished by slave owning scum.
Can I get some ground rules for how not to piss off the serially ruffled??
Wearing sock with dead pigs dressed as police officers. That’s ok in society.
That's the society we live in today folks.
USA!! USA!!
USA!! USA!!
And who’s doing that?
I can only think that post had to be in jest.
Do I have to pick? Will that decide which path the contrarian bullshit takes?
I can only think that post had to be in jest.
Its connection with white supremacist groups?
You really want your confederate flag? And this is a thread about patriotism? You realize the confederacy was literally opposed to the US and represents sedition on a grand scale?
When a marginal sports figure gets a major company to discontinue a product, um, yeah, that is shaping society.
Why are people offended by things that happened over 200 years ago and have long since been corrected? You do realize that President Obama had those flags displayed at his second inauguration, right?
You really want your confederate flag? And this is a thread about patriotism? You realize the confederacy was literally opposed to the US and represents sedition on a grand scale?
White supremacists are waving Colonial Flags now? Shoving Betsy Ross down our throats??
no one managed to be offended.
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So this is about the merits of the symbol being offensive or Kaepernick being a hypocrite?
Do I have to pick? Will that decide which path the contrarian bullshit takes?
You're a funny a little dude sometimes. I assume you start these threads to banter about a topic, but at the hint of opinion that challenges *you* it's contrarian (which by the way I'm not entirely sure is the pejorative you want it to be).
If you think Kaepernick's a hypocrite because he's used offensive symbols, that's a completely intellectually sound observation in my view.
If you think the symbol doesn't emote or represent an offensive message, that's fair, but debatable.
But more than anything I just suspect you're just moaning and not really interested in actually discussing anything as almost always is and has been your M.O. for the last 20 years.
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Its connection with white supremacist groups?
You really want your confederate flag? And this is a thread about patriotism? You realize the confederacy was literally opposed to the US and represents sedition on a grand scale?
White supremacists are waving Colonial Flags now? Shoving Betsy Ross down our throats??
Obviously, I'm not the only one with a reading problem. I wasn't talking about the colonial flag.
But, if someone were offended by the colonial flag and called a symbol of white supremacy, I would understand, because black people at the time of the colonies were largely ENSLAVED. So, in that context, it does represent slavery. That was the economic system at the time. It's silly to pretend that black people are just sensitive.
You really are ignoring history.
Oh yeah, the fucking history of swastika changed as well as our understanding of the symbol! You're living in the past, Fatman. You're dated.
Sometimes I also like to just point out absurdities.
And people who take a different side than me aren't contrarians. The ones who consistently take a different side than majority opinion are. It's the actual definition of contrairanism.
Oh yeah, the fucking history of swastika changed as well as our understanding of the symbol! You're living in the past, Fatman. You're dated.
So Adam. What's your solution? It's your world now. What things that offend you in this country that now offers byou every vsingle opportunity to succeed would you like erased permanently? Go for it. Don't be shy.
Oh yeah, the fucking history of swastika changed as well as our understanding of the symbol! You're living in the past, Fatman. You're dated.
C'mon man. Swastikas became THE symbol for a party that promoted hate. The colonial flag waved while a portion of the population had slaves. One was an active symbol of hate and oppression, the other isn't even remotely connected until 230 years later.
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Why do Jews resent swastikas??! They're really awesome Buddhist symbols! Jews are just sensitive! Jews these days...
Oh yeah, the fucking history of swastika changed as well as our understanding of the symbol! You're living in the past, Fatman. You're dated.
So Adam. What's your solution? It's your world now. What things that offend you in this country that now offers byou every vsingle opportunity to succeed would you like erased permanently? Go for it. Don't be shy.
X-Large Yoga Pants. And the Philadelphia Eagles.
Nobody likes a pair of Jorts or bike shorts...
Nobody likes a pair of Jorts or bike shorts...
No problem with the Yoga pant - just the size. To hell with self-love. Certain garments should be size restricted. I should not have to see curdled cottage cheese dripping through the over-stretched fabric.
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thing can go both ways.
Nobody likes a pair of Jorts or bike shorts...
No problem with the Yoga pant - just the size. To hell with self-love. Certain garments should be size restricted. I should not have to see curdled cottage cheese dripping through the over-stretched fabric.
You fat-ist bastard. Overweight people are offended by your comments.
I'll allow the Eagles thing.
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Why do Jews resent swastikas??! They're really awesome Buddhist symbols! Jews are just sensitive! Jews these days...
Oh yeah, the fucking history of swastika changed as well as our understanding of the symbol! You're living in the past, Fatman. You're dated.
C'mon man. Swastikas became THE symbol for a party that promoted hate. The colonial flag waved while a portion of the population had slaves. One was an active symbol of hate and oppression, the other isn't even remotely connected until 230 years later.
A portion of the WHITE population had slaves (generally). It's obtuse to pretend this country wasn't founded with a racism problem borne out of the racial caste system that was slavery.
And your propensity to consider AMERICA from the perspective only of the white colonists is exactly what CK is likely addressing. "Well, the average white person didn't own slaves!" Does nothing to deny the fact that the few whites who did own slaves, owned BLACK slaves.
It's not THAT complicated. You just have to get over your chauvinism.
Are the founding fathers sacred? You sound insane.
and every single version of the American flag would be deemed offensive.
I think it's ok (and appropriate) to be sensitive to this countries past, acknowledge it, learn from it, but also not find offense in 200 year old ghosts or try and whitewash history under the guise of "offense"
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Banning dollar bills, nickels and references to most of our Founding Fathers shall be deemed verboten....
Are the founding fathers sacred? You sound insane.
Is the family of Kamala Harris sacred? Seems so since she's apparently given a pass despite her family owning slaves.
Also, the vast, vast majority of whites in this country came long after slavery was abolished. Including mine. Am I still guilty?
Sometimes I also like to just point out absurdities.
And people who take a different side than me aren't contrarians. The ones who consistently take a different side than majority opinion are. It's the actual definition of contrairanism.
That's a funny observation to make, because generally I find myself to be quite centrist in my opinions, but frequently find your takes to be pretty flimsy and circular. Maybe I'm just FMiC contrarian?
Back to what I'm assuming the point of you posting this; Kaepernick doesn't have the credibility to be an authority on offensive symbols when he's willing to do it himself, that seems pretty acceptable.
But what really is different with the colonial flag, having been the national symbol of an active slave owning state, and the Confederate or apartheid flags as symbols of unsavory social practices?
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Banning dollar bills, nickels and references to most of our Founding Fathers shall be deemed verboten....
Are the founding fathers sacred? You sound insane.
Is the family of Kamala Harris sacred? Seems so since she's apparently given a pass despite her family owning slaves.
Also, the vast, vast majority of whites in this country came long after slavery was abolished. Including mine. Am I still guilty?
Are you guilty of what?
Max Brooks said it really well last week on Real Time, which I happened to just catch after giving up on all politics/news shows. I'm paraphrasing, but in reference to political extremism, he said: "we need to take all the bleeding heart liberals and batshit crazy conservatives, give them all sporks, and let them poke each other's eyes out while the rest of us rebuild the infrastructure, fix the schools, and get the lead out of the goddamn water". I swear to Christ I nearly gave him a standing ovation.
The Confederate flag was considered racist when it flew. It became considered that way because of how it have been used by white supremacists.
Is there some overt use of the Colonial flag I've missed?
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In comment 14491186 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Banning dollar bills, nickels and references to most of our Founding Fathers shall be deemed verboten....
Are the founding fathers sacred? You sound insane.
Is the family of Kamala Harris sacred? Seems so since she's apparently given a pass despite her family owning slaves.
Also, the vast, vast majority of whites in this country came long after slavery was abolished. Including mine. Am I still guilty?
Are you guilty of what?
Being proud of my family's adopted country that has provided me and my family the equal opportunity to succeed even if I didn't quite achieve an equal outcome as others?
I thought Nike was absolutely moronic for even listening to Kap on this but the more I’m reading... the more people are siding with him. Absolutely mind boggling.
Are you guilty of what?
Being proud of my family's adopted country that has provided me and my family the equal opportunity to succeed even if I didn't quite achieve an equal outcome as others?
Sounds like a rhetorical question... lol
I thought Nike was absolutely moronic for even listening to Kap on this but the more I’m reading... the more people are siding with him. Absolutely mind boggling.
There's social currency to being on the "right side" of these arguments. The social justice thing has become scary. By declaring a moral position people are signaling to others just how good and virtuous they are. And many times the cost of doing that is destroying the life of someone who truly isn't a bad person. People get doxed m they lose their jobs, their names and reputations are damaged. It's fucking scary.
The flag of a secessionist faction of states, at best largely protecting slavery and at worst primarily protecting slavery, wasn't considered racist? I think there was a pretty decent group of contemporary Americans who would disagree with that.
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Why do Jews resent swastikas??! They're really awesome Buddhist symbols! Jews are just sensitive! Jews these days...
Oh yeah, the fucking history of swastika changed as well as our understanding of the symbol! You're living in the past, Fatman. You're dated.
C'mon man. Swastikas became THE symbol for a party that promoted hate. The colonial flag waved while a portion of the population had slaves. One was an active symbol of hate and oppression, the other isn't even remotely connected until 230 years later.
A portion of the WHITE population had slaves (generally). It's obtuse to pretend this country wasn't founded with a racism problem borne out of the racial caste system that was slavery.
And your propensity to consider AMERICA from the perspective only of the white colonists is exactly what CK is likely addressing. "Well, the average white person didn't own slaves!" Does nothing to deny the fact that the few whites who did own slaves, owned BLACK slaves.
It's not THAT complicated. You just have to get over your chauvinism.
Ah, shit has changed. Do you really want to go back through history and complain about every wrong humans have done throughout history to each other?
Problem is with "your" logic is that every US flag up until 1863 should be protested because slavery was legal until then.
I think the deal with the Betsy Ross flag is that some basically white high school once waved it at a Black high school during a basketball game and now it is viewed as a symbol of racism..
We will never get past racism until people vent at the people who are the racists and not grouping all others with them. It is like Antifa beating up people and then claiming those people are hateful, while they commit felony assault and battery and nobody with legal authority goes after them.
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Why do Jews resent swastikas??! They're really awesome Buddhist symbols! Jews are just sensitive! Jews these days...
Oh yeah, the fucking history of swastika changed as well as our understanding of the symbol! You're living in the past, Fatman. You're dated.
C'mon man. Swastikas became THE symbol for a party that promoted hate. The colonial flag waved while a portion of the population had slaves. One was an active symbol of hate and oppression, the other isn't even remotely connected until 230 years later.
A portion of the WHITE population had slaves (generally). It's obtuse to pretend this country wasn't founded with a racism problem borne out of the racial caste system that was slavery.
And your propensity to consider AMERICA from the perspective only of the white colonists is exactly what CK is likely addressing. "Well, the average white person didn't own slaves!" Does nothing to deny the fact that the few whites who did own slaves, owned BLACK slaves.
It's not THAT complicated. You just have to get over your chauvinism.
American indians and free black farmers owned thousands of slaves also. BLACK slaves. Over 15,000.
I only wrote black in capitals because you did.
The founding father's believed slavery would end in a relatively short time period, obviously they were wrong.
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Are you guilty of what?
Being proud of my family's adopted country that has provided me and my family the equal opportunity to succeed even if I didn't quite achieve an equal outcome as others?
Sounds like a rhetorical question... lol
It's not. There are 1.5M people enslaved in the Congo and Nigeria. But here we're outraged by a flag that just happened to fly in the times of US slavery 200 years ago in this country. Am i guilty or should I laugh at the continued lunacy of the aggrieved class that continues to blame every single person who doesn't look like them for something that happened before most of those people's families had even immigrated here?
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Are you guilty of what?
Being proud of my family's adopted country that has provided me and my family the equal opportunity to succeed even if I didn't quite achieve an equal outcome as others?
Sounds like a rhetorical question... lol
It's not. There are 1.5M people enslaved in the Congo and Nigeria. But here we're outraged by a flag that just happened to fly in the times of US slavery 200 years ago in this country. Am i guilty or should I laugh at the continued lunacy of the aggrieved class that continues to blame every single person who doesn't look like them for something that happened before most of those people's families had even immigrated here?
Embrace your white guilt and let it compel you to pay for overpriced produce at the local farmers market that caters to the "knit cap in July crowd".