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NFT: Knicks First Summer League Game! 9:30 PM on ESPN

Anakim : 7/5/2019 8:02 am
RJ's Knicks vs. Zion's Pelicans


Let's see what we got.
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They are trying so hard to kill time, and not so good at it  
ChaChing : 7/5/2019 11:40 pm : link
drink every time you hear the word "sway" or "swaying"

"there is no time limit on when it stops swaying, so we're still waiting on the swaying to stop. This are also swaying at Loyola Marymount"
Yeah, Doris is trying to keep it together, but you can tell by the  
Anakim : 7/5/2019 11:41 pm : link
sound of her voice that she's clearly shaken (no pun intended)
RE: I've only experienced one earthquake in my life  
jgambrosio : 7/5/2019 11:43 pm : link
In comment 14492893 Anakim said:
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And it was a little tremor a few years ago in NYC.

Can't imagine you West Coasters having to deal with it on a somewhat regular basis...and wildfires, too.


After sitting in my last house in pitch black in the middle of the night as my phone was sending off emergency signals, with the windows covered hearing winds of a hurricane (and later seeing that a tornado likely whipped down our street) I'd rather deal with an earthquake...
RE: I've only experienced one earthquake in my life  
ChaChing : 7/5/2019 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14492893 Anakim said:
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And it was a little tremor a few years ago in NYC.

Can't imagine you West Coasters having to deal with it on a somewhat regular basis...and wildfires, too.

It's not that regular. 15 years in LA, no more than 10 that I felt? And of course those were all small. In that sense, WCers are baffled how people live in the snow, and that is an issue multiple times a year. I'd dare to say you're more likely to get in a car accident in the winter than injured in an LA quake (on avg!)

But clearly I'm about to go thru my first big one, we're due

Actually Albany had a few in the 4.0-5.0 range growing up. I felt one, but most were early AM and I slept through
RE: I've only experienced one earthquake in my life  
81_Great_Dane : 7/5/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14492893 Anakim said:
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And it was a little tremor a few years ago in NYC.

Can't imagine you West Coasters having to deal with it on a somewhat regular basis...and wildfires, too.
Well, I've been through a few of them. A really big one is scary in its own right, but what really is unnerving is that aftershocks come almost continuously for a while. And after Northridge, I learned the worst word in the English language: "foreshock." As in, that could be a foreshock of a bigger quake. I remember yelling FORESHOCK????!!!

When they start, you don't know how big they're going to be. So you have that moment of "Oh shit, now what?" Then sometimes they get bigger, and sometimes they don't. This one started like "Oh, there's another one." And about 10 seconds later it was "Uh-oh." But it never got really bad. 100+ miles from the epicenter.
RE: RE: That's not an aftershock, the 6.4 a couple of days ago was a  
dpinzow : 7/5/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14492890 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 14492884 dpinzow said:


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foreshock. Aftershocks are not larger than the main quake

This. Even the local news people here don't seem to know that. Downgraded to 6.9, which is still pretty damn big. Considering that a 7 is 10x a 6, the difference between a 6.4 yesterday and a 6.9 today is pretty big.


The scary part is that this one would be a foreshock as well if another quake larger than this occurred. That's pretty unlikely, but not impossible. A 6.4 and 6.9 on consecutive days would release a LOT of built up seismic energy along the same fault system
Good point on hurricanes  
ChaChing : 7/5/2019 11:46 pm : link
I had fam that lived in Nevis (next to St Kitts, Antigua). They talked about boarding up the house, dealing with no power, and holing up every year, sometimes a few times
RE: Good point on hurricanes  
jgambrosio : 7/5/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14492902 ChaChing said:
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I had fam that lived in Nevis (next to St Kitts, Antigua). They talked about boarding up the house, dealing with no power, and holing up every year, sometimes a few times


And the thing with hurricanes is that they're not exactly quick. I mean that one specifically at 3 in the morning, your sitting there for hours. Some could say "well you could have evacuated," and if we tried to go north, good luck. If we had gone west, the storm was even worse there. Hurricanes are scary shit if you get hit straight on and they're so unpredictable
The rest of the games tonight in Thomas and Mack are postponed  
dpinzow : 7/5/2019 11:49 pm : link
correct decision by the NBA
The quote I remember re: the 94 Northridge quake  
ChaChing : 7/5/2019 11:50 pm : link
was a coworker describing how the floor basically fell a foot and made a huge rock breaking crashing sound below his feet

That would scare the shit out of me go figure
RE: RE: I've only experienced one earthquake in my life  
81_Great_Dane : 7/5/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14492898 jgambrosio said:
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I'd rather deal with an earthquake...
Depends on the storm and the quake, and where you are. If you are near the ocean you never want to experience anything like the Japan quake and tsunami, that's one of the worst things you could go through.

The thing about a big earthquake is there's basically no warning and there's no such thing as an earthquake shelter. Your building either stands up to it or not. Your stuff is either secured or it isn't. Your walls crack or they don't.

There's a new ShakeAlertLA app that is supposed to go off and give us a little warning if there's a big (bigger than 3) quake centered in Los Angeles. It hasn't gone off because they say that the tremors locally weren't big enough. So they say it's working. But: How would we know if it wasn't?
RE: RE: Good point on hurricanes  
ChaChing : 7/5/2019 11:53 pm : link
In comment 14492903 jgambrosio said:
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In comment 14492902 ChaChing said:
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I had fam that lived in Nevis (next to St Kitts, Antigua). They talked about boarding up the house, dealing with no power, and holing up every year, sometimes a few times


And the thing with hurricanes is that they're not exactly quick. I mean that one specifically at 3 in the morning, your sitting there for hours. Some could say "well you could have evacuated," and if we tried to go north, good luck. If we had gone west, the storm was even worse there. Hurricanes are scary shit if you get hit straight on and they're so unpredictable

Add to THAT, I swear the flight from St Kitts to Nevis was in an fn Dodge Caravan w/ wings. No joke, the pilot hands me a rope, tells me to hold tight as it's attached to the door that doesn't close. So the whole flight, I see a couple inches of daylight straight down to the water. It was like a 15 min flight but I would NEVER get in that on a cloudy day, much less near a hurricane. Rather hole up in the dark in my boarded up house!
Okay, can we please get Doris and Mark off the telecast?  
Anakim : 7/5/2019 11:54 pm : link
They're clearly freaking out and saying prayers on TV. They don't want to be there. Let them leave.
Actually this reminds me  
ChaChing : 7/5/2019 11:54 pm : link
even if it's those shit emergency packs / rations, I should get a few, and some water!
RE: ome good thing about tonight  
Del Shofner : 7/5/2019 11:58 pm : link
In comment 14492894 nygiants16 said:
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Julius Randle sounds really excited to be a knick


Agree about that. This may be a fun season even if we end up sub-.500.
Sorry  
RAIN : 7/5/2019 11:58 pm : link
Iggy? Who is Iggy?
RE: Sorry  
Del Shofner : 7/6/2019 12:00 am : link
In comment 14492911 RAIN said:
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Iggy? Who is Iggy?


Our second round pick from Michigan, a Lithuanian guy from Canada.
RE: Sorry  
ChaChing : 7/6/2019 12:00 am : link
In comment 14492911 RAIN said:
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Iggy? Who is Iggy?

Bradzeikis. Round 2 pick, from Mich. Shooter, w/ some rim attack, but not so athletic it seems
graceful exit speech by the male announcer -  
Del Shofner : 7/6/2019 12:07 am : link
Doris is just happy to get out alive.
Aaaannnnd we just felt another little one.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/6/2019 12:09 am : link
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RE: Actually this reminds me  
81_Great_Dane : 7/6/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14492909 ChaChing said:
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even if it's those shit emergency packs / rations, I should get a few, and some water!
We have a little bottled water in the house, but if we lose water for a few days, we're gonna be drinkin' a lotta wine. My wife likes wine, we have a bunch of it. Lots more than water.
The media bashing of RJ has started  
GMEN46 : 7/6/2019 12:26 am : link
I could care less about his shooting stats, like I mentioned earlier I always assumed he was a top notch in terms of pure athleticism and he is clearly not, does not mean he still cant be a superstar I just assumed he was a super fast athletic freak and he is def not. Reminds of Melo out of college athleticism. Certainly athletic enough, but if Lebron and Zion are a 10 when it comes to athleticism, I would put Barrett in that 6-7 range. I’m not bashing him, just was surprised by this.
RJ was hideous.  
bceagle05 : 7/6/2019 12:31 am : link
First game action, facing Zion, Lebron courtside - nerves are understandable. I'm sure we'll get a solid showing next game.
If there's a better representation of the last 20 years of the Knicks  
Stu11 : 7/6/2019 12:32 am : link
than tonight you have to convince me lol.
I tried to tell you people  
Greg from LI : 7/6/2019 1:23 am : link
I watched at least a dozen Duke games. Why some of you kept insisting that Barrett is some kind of explosive fast-twitch guy, I'll never know. His shooting certainly was exactly what I expected.

Mitch is so much fun to watch on defense. A 7'1" guy with pogo sticks for legs who genuinely loves to play D. Kenny Wooten is too, though I'm not expecting him to show enough at the other end of the floor to make it.

Knox looked pretty good. I really do think he'll take a step forward this year. Brazdekis looked just as overmatched as I expected. Really don't get that pick at all.
With Barrett  
XBRONX : 7/6/2019 7:02 am : link
starting, I believe the Knicks will have the worst free throw shooting starting lineup in the league.
Maybe they'll surprise me, but I'm getting ready for another awful  
Ira : 7/6/2019 7:09 am : link
Knicks season.
People bashing Barrett over a Summer League game  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/6/2019 7:09 am : link
and the media acting like Zion played like a superstar... how am I not surprised?
Barrett has big flaws in his game  
Oscar : 7/6/2019 7:16 am : link
It’s fine, he’s a kid and has plenty of time to work on things. Just hope Fiz is the right guy to lead his development.
RE: I tried to tell you people  
Joey in VA : 7/6/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14492926 Greg from LI said:
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I watched at least a dozen Duke games. Why some of you kept insisting that Barrett is some kind of explosive fast-twitch guy, I'll never know. His shooting certainly was exactly what I expected.

Mitch is so much fun to watch on defense. A 7'1" guy with pogo sticks for legs who genuinely loves to play D. Kenny Wooten is too, though I'm not expecting him to show enough at the other end of the floor to make it.

Knox looked pretty good. I really do think he'll take a step forward this year. Brazdekis looked just as overmatched as I expected. Really don't get that pick at all.
I sadly agree. I didn't watch a ton of him in college but he looked like a completely average player who can't shoot. I didn't see anything athletic that gives me a ton of hope, he's going to have to hone his jumper to even be an Allan Houston.
First, we find out that Barrett isn't a good shooter. Now, we learn  
Ira : 7/6/2019 8:43 am : link
that he's an average athlete. So, what is it that he does so well that made him the Knick's choice for the 3rd pick in the draft?
Barrett  
Jon in NYC : 7/6/2019 9:16 am : link
did not play well yesterday. He did get open looks though and they didn't fall. It happens. Hopefully it isn't a trend, but his stats at Duke suggest it may be.

We'll see.
whew...  
Italianju : 7/6/2019 9:18 am : link
glad to see nobody jumped to conclusions after one summer league game.

Im assuming we also have decided that Zion cant do anything but dunk?
Remember how bad Trae Young was in Summer League last year?  
Mike in NJ : 7/6/2019 9:20 am : link
And Kevin Knox looked like he was going to be Rookie of the Year. You can't draw any conclusions from Summer League either way.
RE: whew...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/6/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14493031 Italianju said:
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glad to see nobody jumped to conclusions after one summer league game.

Im assuming we also have decided that Zion cant do anything but dunk?


No, because he's not a Knick and stupid reactionary career epitaphs are only for Knicks players.
Donovan Mitchell was 5 for 15....  
Italianju : 7/6/2019 9:26 am : link
in his first summer league game. Thank god he wasnt a knick. Could Barrett have issues sure, but to act like last night confirmed everything and thats what he is so dumb its absurd. Last night means absolutely nothing, and this is the same thing that the anti barrett crown would be preaching if he was 9 for 13 and dropped 23.
I sort of warmed up to Barrett knowing he’d be the pick.  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/6/2019 9:28 am : link
But he looked slow and a bad shot yesterday. The pass to Knox was sweet though.

Even with a beer gut Zion showed short area quickness that Barrett simply doesn’t have. We know Barrett is more crafty than explosive, but he will need to be a lot more shifty to get by people in the league. And the shot needs to get a lot better.
Barrett has a good game, ehh it is only summer league  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2019 9:29 am : link
he has bad game welp he is going to be a bust, see he cant shoot, not athletic, he is going to be bad...
RE: RE: I tried to tell you people  
ColHowPepper : 7/6/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14493006 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 14492926 Greg from LI said:
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I watched at least a dozen Duke games. Why some of you kept insisting that Barrett is some kind of explosive fast-twitch guy, I'll never know. His shooting certainly was exactly what I expected.//////

I sadly agree. I didn't watch a ton of him in college but he looked like a completely average player who can't shoot. I didn't see anything athletic that gives me a ton of hope, he's going to have to hone his jumper to even be an Allan Houston.
I don't watch a ton of b-ball, college (except the tournament) or pros. But on draft night, with all the hoopla surrounding RJ, I was expecting to see a stellar athlete, floor player, all around capable at the 2. I was shocked that I didn't see any of that on display in the highlights after the foregone conclusion pick was made.

So, uncharacteristically, I recorded last night. I didn't expect to see Quake reports! I watched most of the 1st half. And nerves or not, his clumsy attack in the paint early Q2, his shooting stroke (fair), movement (I thought slow and labored), I'm afraid the Knicks got it wrong again. Yes, of course it's a shoot from the hip after one meaningless summer game, but I just didn't see the athleticism, smoothness, or quicks from this player. smh
I don't love RJ but  
bceagle05 : 7/6/2019 10:29 am : link
a lot of smart people would have to be dead wrong about this guy if he's not a legit starter in the league. Trusting the Knicks to develop him, however, is a cause for concern.
and people wonder why players do not want to come to the knicks  
nygiants16 : 7/6/2019 10:33 am : link
kid is getting killed after 1 freaking summer league game, dear lord
RE: and people wonder why players do not want to come to the knicks  
jgambrosio : 7/6/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14493097 nygiants16 said:
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kid is getting killed after 1 freaking summer league game, dear lord


It's really just Duke haters, nets fans and people who irrationally hated the Knicks moves/decisions the past week
RE: and people wonder why players do not want to come to the knicks  
adamg : 7/6/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14493097 nygiants16 said:
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kid is getting killed after 1 freaking summer league game, dear lord


Seriously.

I'm off BBI and out of sports for a day, and now RJ is a bust already.

It's so easy to hate.
Classic BBI  
BigBlueShock : 7/6/2019 12:07 pm : link
Blaming the fans for hyping RJ, yet there’s not a single team in the NBA that would have taken anyone other than RJ in that spot.

It’s all the fans fault! Greg tried telling you! You didn’t listen and you drafted him!
RJ has always  
Jon in NYC : 7/6/2019 12:14 pm : link
been a plus but not special athlete. What makes him a potential all star is his skill level. He gets to the rim very often where he can finish or gets fouled, and can pass and rebound at a high level.

That said, there are clear things he's going to need to fix and quickly if he wants to get better:

1. Going to the right/finishing with his right hand
2. All aspects of shooting, but especially 3pt and FT
3. Not getting tunnel vision when going to the lane.

Fortunately all three things are fixable, are not new issues, and given his rumored work ethic, should be things that will improve.
This  
Jon in NYC : 7/6/2019 12:20 pm : link
is also a hot take, but I thought Zion looked super meh yesterday. He's so limited at range that he's going to need to probably play the 4 or 5 next level. Mitch gave him quite a few problems.

Also impressed with Kevin Knox. 3 3s, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks in only 25 minutes. More importantly he looked more in control and calmer out there.
Exactly my fear  
PhilSimms15 : 7/6/2019 12:20 pm : link
One bad game and RJ is a bust. He is not athletic, he can’t shoot and he can’t pass.

One game. Let’s disregard four years where he was the number one prospect in two countries. Let’s forget that at Duke, he averaged nearly 23 points a game, 8 rebounds and nearly 5 assists.

It’s not just the media, Knick fans are really knee jerk when it comes to their teams.

Nate Robinson was a summer league sensation as was Kevin Knox.

Carmelo Anthony shot 4 of 11 and scored 12 points in his first game and in the same game Nikoloz Tskitishvili scored 25.

Derek Rose averaged under 10 points and shot under 30% in his Summer League season.

Kevin Durant shot 5 for 17 in his Summer League debut with one rebound and zero assists. He shot 33 percent for the entire league.

Can we give the kid two Summer League games before we decide he is a bust?
To me getting to the rim scoring / finding teammates  
NoGainDayne : 7/6/2019 12:45 pm : link
for good looks is the thing you can’t learn.

You can’t really learn athleticism but the league has been full of all stars at his level of athleticism especially with the above skills. Not to mention his good size for the position he plays helps with that.

What you can learn is how to shoot better with commitment to that. And he seems to be a guy that has the right attitude to do it.

Love how he owned wanting to play in NY as well.

Don’t love this Knicks offseason, don’t hate it either. But there seems to be some talks like the Knicks are so bad that it automatically creates a future that RJ is too. I get the pessimism with luring free agents and treating our stars well but some people go to far
RE: This  
jgambrosio : 7/6/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14493188 Jon in NYC said:
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is also a hot take, but I thought Zion looked super meh yesterday. He's so limited at range that he's going to need to probably play the 4 or 5 next level. Mitch gave him quite a few problems.

Also impressed with Kevin Knox. 3 3s, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks in only 25 minutes. More importantly he looked more in control and calmer out there.


The best part about both these guys playing the games they did? The fact that the media is hanging onto the Zion rip from Knox and dunk, so everyone thinks Knox is a bum and Zion is a superstar already.
Guys used to running set offense  
RAIN : 7/6/2019 2:57 pm : link
Will struggle a bit in a systemless game. Guys confident enough to work on weaknesses won’t look good in game situations.
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