NFT: Kawhi Leonard and Paul George to Clippers

great duo. Great choice of running mate by KL as well

When I moved here I certainly couldn't become an LAL fan, so rooted for Marco Jaric, Chris Kaman, Corey Maggette, Elton Brand, Q Ross, etc. I wasn't a huge CP3 fan as great as he is, so the newer Clips, with the constant complaining, and Doc was annoying

But this will be a fun team to watch. LAL-LAC will be a madhouse

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I thought it was down to Lakers/Raptors.

Damn.

players running the show. Per ESPN, KL was recruiting PG, who in turn asked for a trade. Players who are good enough can break contracts the moment they feel like it, and go hang out with their friends. Small market teams had it bad but they are more F'd in the A than ever

had to do that trade. It really was all of that for Leonard AND George. No brainer. Without getting George he wasn't going to go to the Clippers by himself and I'm sure they knew that, so you have to do whatever it takes to get George.

Lakers signed Danny Green to a 2 year 30 million dollar deal.

If things go south for the Lakers this year I wonder if Davis will leave the door open to leaving to go elsewhere. I'd be absolutely stunned if Davis didn't resign but it will be interesting if this blows up in Lakers face. I doubt it blows up in their face but I dont think they will be contenders either.

did very well in that trade. No one should be sickened by that from a players running the show perspective. The Thunder had no reason whatsoever to trade him unless they got a huge package back. The Thunder are probably thrilled with what they got in return.

Best possible outcome as far as creating the most potential parity. Fascinating season upcoming, really looking forward to it now.

The NBA has absolutely perfected its offseason. They own the news cycle this time of the year

were the only ones who didn’t get invited to the off-season party, and they had the most money. Fucking pisses me off. Tired of it.

In comment 14492946 MookGiants said:

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did very well in that trade. No one should be sickened by that from a players running the show perspective. The Thunder had no reason whatsoever to trade him unless they got a huge package back. The Thunder are probably thrilled with what they got in return.

Trade is fine, anyone would love that haul. But with many lamenting how LeBron can decide basically whatever he wants, this is more of the same whether you like KL / PG or not

Whats the point of a contract if guys can just leave within a yr or 2? I'm not even judging, I might do the same in their shoes, but that's not ideal for running a even, legit, competitive league. It's the NBA so it is what it is, but still a fair view (even if 'sickening' is a bit exaggerated)

Is my team. While they did get 5 first rd draft picks: 1.) they’ll all end up as late first, none of them will be lottery picks, so you might as well call them five second rd picks. 2.) there are NO generational groundbreaking talent on the way up at all within the next 5 years at all. 3.) it’s time to trade Westbrook, he can’t coexist with anyone and you need atleast one other superstar to be relevant in the West

At this point if he told me the sky was blue I wouldn’t believe it.

In comment 14492953 bceagle05 said:

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At this point if he told me the sky was blue I wouldn’t believe it.

Didn't like him back then...a Bull & Pacer?

Don't like him now

Didn't even like a guy who liked the guy. He wasn't a dick because he was a JRose fan, but that didn't help at all

Not sure the Lakers will have quite enough to survive the West, but they’ll be right in the thick of it, obviously.

if they can find a way to move westbrook they can go full rebuild.

Shai is a good piece and the picks. There should be a market for Adams as well.

They could keep everyone and still try to make the playoffs- i don't think that is entirely out of the question.

not many teams with the cap space/assets/desire to get Westbrook though.

In comment 14492950 bceagle05 said:

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were the only ones who didn’t get invited to the off-season party, and they had the most money. Fucking pisses me off. Tired of it.

I'd argue this story confirms a few things. The Durant/Kawhi story about trying to convince each other to play on the Knicks/Clippers story is true. Durant would've come to the Knicks had he not gotten hurt and still would've come to the Knicks if he could've convinced another star to go even after he got hurt. The Daily News backpage headline of everything being ruined when Kevin Durant got hurt wasn't an exaggeration... it was true.

The Clips gave up A LOT to get an injured Paul George. Jerry West usually makes smoother deals than that. That's SGA and 7 1st round picks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great for the Clips and the NBA. The league is as wide open as its been in 15 years at least. Really exciting season ahead.

Can’t believe this. Not one person predicted this.

Leonard and George plotting this is still pretty shitty. Players have way too much power.

A bad offseason just got worse for the Knicks. Entering a summer with the focus on getting superstars and this many change teams and the Knicks strike out is really bad. The Nets, Lakers and Clippers all made themselves contenders this summer and the Knicks won’t even be a playoff team for awhile.

It just shows you what having good management in place can do. What a series of events for the Clippers. They were in cap hell not that long ago. And that’s an impressive haul by Sam Presti. It was tough seeing the “Knicks braintrust” last night....

???

Do they make a Paul George type deal with Minnesota centering around Wigging and a shit ton of picks?

Westbrook has to be traded now.

In comment 14492982 TyreeHelmet said:

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A bad offseason just got worse for the Knicks. Entering a summer with the focus on getting superstars and this many change teams and the Knicks strike out is really bad. The Nets, Lakers and Clippers all made themselves contenders this summer and the Knicks won’t even be a playoff team for awhile. It just shows you what having good management in place can do. What a series of events for the Clippers. They were in cap hell not that long ago. And that’s an impressive haul by Sam Presti. It was tough seeing the “Knicks braintrust” last night....

dude give it a rest alrrady we get it you hate the knicks, just stop..

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In comment 14492982 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: A bad offseason just got worse for the Knicks. Entering a summer with the focus on getting superstars and this many change teams and the Knicks strike out is really bad. The Nets, Lakers and Clippers all made themselves contenders this summer and the Knicks won’t even be a playoff team for awhile. It just shows you what having good management in place can do. What a series of events for the Clippers. They were in cap hell not that long ago. And that’s an impressive haul by Sam Presti. It was tough seeing the “Knicks braintrust” last night.... dude give it a rest alrrady we get it you hate the knicks, just stop..

I wish I did then I wouldn’t be a tortured fan lol.

But seriously you can’t argue this off-season wasnt a major failure for the Knicks. It just sucks being the one team out of 4 NYC/ LA team that got completely shut out while the other 3 loaded up. I respect your positive outlook but I don’t know how you see it any other way. What these 3 teams did is really impressive and I’m just disappointed it didn’t happen for my team. Especially knowing it was possible entering this offseason.

Imagine how excited we would all be if the Knicks pulled off something like this?

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Do they make a Paul George type deal with Minnesota centering around Wigging and a shit ton of picks? Westbrook has to be traded now.

Paul George is a fantastic player but that’s a really good trade for OKC. I think they have to go all in and trade Westbrook and Adams.

1) What a haul for OKC.
2) LAC had to make the trade, even though they gave up a lot.
3) LAC gotta be one of the favorites to win it all now.

Milwaukee and Philly Eastern final?

In comment 14492994 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 14492990 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14492982 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: A bad offseason just got worse for the Knicks. Entering a summer with the focus on getting superstars and this many change teams and the Knicks strike out is really bad. The Nets, Lakers and Clippers all made themselves contenders this summer and the Knicks won’t even be a playoff team for awhile. It just shows you what having good management in place can do. What a series of events for the Clippers. They were in cap hell not that long ago. And that’s an impressive haul by Sam Presti. It was tough seeing the “Knicks braintrust” last night.... dude give it a rest alrrady we get it you hate the knicks, just stop.. I wish I did then I wouldn’t be a tortured fan lol. But seriously you can’t argue this off-season wasnt a major failure for the Knicks. It just sucks being the one team out of 4 NYC/ LA team that got completely shut out while the other 3 loaded up. I respect your positive outlook but I don’t know how you see it any other way. What these 3 teams did is really impressive and I’m just disappointed it didn’t happen for my team. Especially knowing it was possible entering this offseason. Imagine how excited we would all be if the Knicks pulled off something like this?

of course we would be and of course i wanted superstars but it didnt happen..

time to look at the young players they do have and stop searching for ways to get other teams superstars..

the 3 sophmores on the team had good games last night, you have randle who sounds like he cant wait to play for the knicks, payton who is excited..

If anything knicks will be a fun young team to watch..

And the bright side knicks are in lone to get the next available superstar if need be

With those two signings it puts them at 6 players. Let them sign JR Smith and Carmelo, just hope this whole plan by LeFraud falls flat in his face.

A ton of great teams out there. Clippers will be nasty next year. So happy to see him go to somewhere besides the Lakers.

Jerry West is just something else man. He didn’t exactly fleece the Thunder but what a big balls move this was by the Logo. George/Leonard surrounded by attack dogs like Bev/Montrezl? Nasty.

I feel for Russ. I like the Minnesota Wiggins trade someone mentioned above.

but maybe I'm beaten down by 20 years of futility and awful management. And last nights game did not help matters. RJ did not look the least bit special. Looks to me like we have a center and nothing else.

At least it wasn’t the Lakers.

But they’ll be ok.

The bigger thing is the Knicks should be on the phone right now, trying to get Westbrook. OKC still has a big lux tax bill. Any they know they aren’t winning with just Westbrook

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But they’ll be ok. The bigger thing is the Knicks should be on the phone right now, trying to get Westbrook. OKC still has a big lux tax bill. Any they know they aren’t winning with just Westbrook

The Lakers aren’t winning shit. They have no PG and no shooting. Danny Green and KCP are a bad consolation prize. And watch Kizma regress. Most young players do when playing with Lebron.

Missing out on KD May not be the end of the world w that injury. Small comfort. And if LeBron has another year w injuries and the Lakers don’t look like killers AD could leave.

I don’t think Westbrook is enough. I’d rather be in the lottery next year if Barrett / Mitch / Knox aren’t ready yet

Players don't seem to play better with him and his contract numbers are horrendous including a 47 million player option in year 3.

the knicks should pass on Russ. Its obvious he cant coexist with other stars at this point. In the east he might be enough to carry you to a 4-5 seed but you arent winning the east with him.

NBA is wide open now. Blazers, Clippers, Jazz, Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, and Lakers are all around the same tier. Add Sixers, Bucks, and Celtics from the east, it’s exciting.

The rest of the Clippers’ roster doesn’t look great. They really got lucky. Or West is that good.

He’s already regressing and he wont even guarantee the Knicks a playoff spot in the East.

There are very few teams who are a fit for Russ right now.

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In comment 14492982 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: A bad offseason just got worse for the Knicks. Entering a summer with the focus on getting superstars and this many change teams and the Knicks strike out is really bad. The Nets, Lakers and Clippers all made themselves contenders this summer and the Knicks won’t even be a playoff team for awhile. It just shows you what having good management in place can do. What a series of events for the Clippers. They were in cap hell not that long ago. And that’s an impressive haul by Sam Presti. It was tough seeing the “Knicks braintrust” last night.... dude give it a rest alrrady we get it you hate the knicks, just stop..

No point in even engaging him. If the Knicks had given up Barrett, Knox and 5 firsts for George and Kawhi he would be killing the them for that too. No matter what the outcome of this offseason was people like that were going to criticize them.

In comment 14492982 TyreeHelmet said:

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A bad offseason just got worse for the Knicks. Entering a summer with the focus on getting superstars and this many change teams and the Knicks strike out is really bad. The Nets, Lakers and Clippers all made themselves contenders this summer and the Knicks won’t even be a playoff team for awhile. It just shows you what having good management in place can do. What a series of events for the Clippers. They were in cap hell not that long ago. And that’s an impressive haul by Sam Presti. It was tough seeing the “Knicks braintrust” last night....

The Nets are only in contention if Durant returns mostly healthy and doesn't get re-injured. Otherwise they're a high-40s win team that doesn't make a conference final

In comment 14493037 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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He’s already regressing and he wont even guarantee the Knicks a playoff spot in the East. There are very few teams who are a fit for Russ right now.

The East is weak. Westbrook definitely gets the Knicks at least the 8th seed. The issue is the young core isn't good enough to get them further and I don't know how well Westbrook integrates the other players

so they have no way of matching salaries on a Russ trade until later in the season. Don’t want him anyway.

In comment 14493035 Jim in Hoboken said:

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NBA is wide open now. Blazers, Clippers, Jazz, Nuggets, Warriors, Rockets, and Lakers are all around the same tier. Add Sixers, Bucks, and Celtics from the east, it’s exciting. The rest of the Clippers’ roster doesn’t look great. They really got lucky. Or West is that good.

Disagree on the Clippers roster. They look great imo.

Beverly/Lou Will
Shamet
George
Kawhi
Zubac/Harrell

That’s a loaded roster if they’re healthy, probably better than the loaded roster Kawhi had in Toronto. I’m really big on Shamet too, he has J.J. Redick potential.

They’re the favorites out West, nothing like GS the last few years but they have the best team. George/Kawhi is such a great combo because of their two way play.

This is gonna be fun.

Your young core is Westbrook.

There are a few teams who Westbrook can fit...

Minnesota
Denver (Westbrook and Jokic can be interesting)
And maybe Chicago? But I doubt they want to pair RW with Lavine. And they won’t give up Lauri or Carter.

The Knicks are a joke. The Knicks are a laughing stock. Everyone is laughing at the Knicks. The offseason was a failure. The truth is that they did well. This is a longer term plan. And I don't think Kyrie and KD are worth the risk. Keep the young core and see what shakes out the next few years. And don't judge RJ by one SL game. Be patient.

As for Dolan... It may play a role and he is certainly more present for basketball. But the Rangers did just land the biggest free agent. The Lakers are a mess but AD still wanted to go there. I dont think Dolan precludes us from big players.

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Your young core is Westbrook. There are a few teams who Westbrook can fit... Minnesota Denver (Westbrook and Jokic can be interesting) And maybe Chicago? But I doubt they want to pair RW with Lavine. And they won’t give up Lauri or Carter.

He’d be a bad fit on Denver imo. They run their offense through Jokic who is a top 10 maybe Top 5 offensive player in the league and they are really high on Jamal Murray who is a rising star. The chemistry between Murray/Jokic is special and fun to watch, they play off each other so well and create for a fun to watch Nuggets offense.

I love the fact that the Nuggets now have a real chance to win a title and the above paragraph isn’t just a footnote.

pole.