That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
RE: When did Charles Oakley become Willis fucking Reed? Â
That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
Oakley is a fan favorite whether you like it or not. No hes not Willis Reed but he's a beloved player among Knicks fans. Even with that he was still banned from the arena. Why would any player want to go to a place where even if you leave your blood, sweat and tears on the court the owner could eventually ban you.
RE: When did Charles Oakley become Willis fucking Reed? Â
That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
I imagine people's career decisions are made for an astonishing variety of reasons, none of which have anything at all to do with what you think.
1. No playoffs 6 straight seasons. 17 wins last year. Steve Mills still running the Knicks. Yet Knick "fans" defend the heinous asshole owner.
Knick fans might be stupid but most NBA players are not.
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the N.B.A. is a global phenomenon now precisely because its stars became max-leveraged commodities, soaring to once-unfathomable commercial heights in the age of techno-connectivity. The league’s 2019 free-agent signing season, newly timed to kick off Sunday at 6 p.m. Eastern, was a Super Bowl of player empowerment and stimulating competitive realignment, commencing with the bombshell that the Nets — and not the Knicks — would be landing Irving and Durant.
People often wonder why Dolan, in his chairmanship of the Garden, has had measurable success with hockey’s Rangers while faring so miserably with the Knicks. The answer seems clear: The N.B.A.’s difference makers, in addition to being corporate powerhouses, are also eminent cultural celebrities. They have a grand social platform and have been increasingly eager to use it.
Contrarily repellent is Dolan’s utter intolerance of any departure from his less-than-enlightened company line. It goes much deeper than profanely arguing with a fan, or punishing journalists — most recently the Daily News’ Stefan Bondy —whose reporting Dolan objects to. Name a Knicks executive, coach or player during the Dolan years known for his outspokenness. Try to imagine LeBron James’s or Gregg Popovich’s political diatribes at the Garden.
Players like Durant and Irving did not grow up in a bubble. They know that to be a Garden employee who crosses Dolan is to be censored, or crushed. When Anucha Browne Sanders said in 2007 that she had been sexually harassed in her position as a Knicks marketing executive, Dolan afforded her not a shred of sympathy or respect. (She won a civil judgment in connection with the accusation.) The origin of Charles Oakley’s beef with Dolan — which led to Oakley’s being cuffed and carried out of the Garden, under arrest — was harmless criticism that rang true.
The current front office folks had a year and a half after Phil Jackson’s exit to appease Porzingis, and failed. Dolan went on the radio after the trade and bragged: “We hear from people all the time players, representatives who want to come. ... I can tell from what we’ve heard, I think we’re going to have a very successful off-season when it comes to free agents.”
Then came the hard part, the actual selling season. After all the hope and hype, the Knicks were suddenly filling the much-celebrated cap space with a trio of consolation prize forwards —Julius Randle, Bobby Portis and Taj Gibson — on two-year deals that would allow them to begin selling yet another next free-agent fantasy, Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2021. They were surreptitiously letting it be known — after the fact, naturally —that they never really wanted Durant at the full max salary price.
The Knicks’ default position — developing their young players — may someday even be considered a blessing. With their veteran additions, they may even slip into the playoffs next season. But those are narratives for another time. Today’s is the persistence of a recurring one. Dolan, an owner from the very old school of player subservience, has once again flunked modern N.B.A. civics.
That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
It’s not about Oakley specifically. It’s about how childish, petty, and shitty Dolan is. And why shouldnt that effect free agency? If you can go to competing company that has an amazing owner that treats his employees well for the same exact pay why wouldn’t you do it?
The players are now bigger than the markets, NY doesn’t matter anymore, or at least nowhere near as much as it used to. It isn’t 1990.
RE: RE: When did Charles Oakley become Willis fucking Reed? Â
That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
Oakley is a fan favorite whether you like it or not. No hes not Willis Reed but he's a beloved player among Knicks fans. Even with that he was still banned from the arena. Why would any player want to go to a place where even if you leave your blood, sweat and tears on the court the owner could eventually ban you.
Is Pat Ewing banned? Starks? LJ? Sprewell? Bernard King? Was Mase (RIP)? Melo? Even bum ass Charles Smith isn't banned. I'm not saying Dolan shouldn't be the bigger person here, but Charles Oakley isn't a "legend" and the events of that night sure as fuck aren't just one person's fault. Making that the reason to not come to NY is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I would pray that players aren't that stupid.
“Players around the league, according to the agents, have taken note of the Knicks’ instability: There have been 10 coaches since Van Gundy left in 2001 and almost as many top executives, some with impressive résumés, like Isiah Thomas, Donnie Walsh and Phil Jackson. Now Mills and Scott Perry, the general manager, are at the helm.”
The league has noticed the Knicks have been very very bad for the last 20 years
That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
Oakley is a fan favorite whether you like it or not. No hes not Willis Reed but he's a beloved player among Knicks fans. Even with that he was still banned from the arena. Why would any player want to go to a place where even if you leave your blood, sweat and tears on the court the owner could eventually ban you.
Is Pat Ewing banned? Starks? LJ? Sprewell? Bernard King? Was Mase (RIP)? Melo? Even bum ass Charles Smith isn't banned. I'm not saying Dolan shouldn't be the bigger person here, but Charles Oakley isn't a "legend" and the events of that night sure as fuck aren't just one person's fault. Making that the reason to not come to NY is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I would pray that players aren't that stupid.
Who said that was THE reason? It is A reason among other things.
Kevin Durant was trying to convince Kawhi Leonard to play Â
with him on the Knicks, but the Dolan and Oakley situation is the reason no one wants to play here? C'mon people. I know you hate Dolan but this is nonsense.
RE: Kevin Durant was trying to convince Kawhi Leonard to play Â
with him on the Knicks, but the Dolan and Oakley situation is the reason no one wants to play here? C'mon people. I know you hate Dolan but this is nonsense.
So, because it may not matter for one means it isn't a possible issue for another? Again, nobody is saying it is the sole reason and nobody is saying it applies to all players. However, it is a factor whether you want to believe it or not. And this Oakley situation is just a long list of bad decisions made by our owner. How about the one where he fired a woman for doing her job when asking for Dolan's ID when he didnt' have it on him?
with him on the Knicks, but the Dolan and Oakley situation is the reason no one wants to play here? C'mon people. I know you hate Dolan but this is nonsense.
So, because it may not matter for one means it isn't a possible issue for another? Again, nobody is saying it is the sole reason and nobody is saying it applies to all players. However, it is a factor whether you want to believe it or not. And this Oakley situation is just a long list of bad decisions made by our owner. How about the one where he fired a woman for doing her job when asking for Dolan's ID when he didnt' have it on him?
Kevin Durant isn't here because he blew out his Achilles, which ruined his ability to recruit anyone who would have to play by themselves as KD convalesced. Kyrie isn't here because he rooted for the Nets as a kid and they have a better roster. Kawhi never wanted to play in NY or anywhere else other than LA. Had his shot not fallen versus Philadelphia, his decision would've been made a week ago. Aside from that, no one else was really worth big money. The only 2 places Anthony Davis would even entertain signing long-term extensions were with the Lakers and Knicks. (The Knicks wisely decided that would be too big a drain of resources without a guarantee.)
As for your last sentence, if you think MSG is the only place something like that would happen, you must not have worked anywhere. I'm not trying to convince anyone Dolan is a nice guy or a good guy. However, the root of all evils stuff is over the top and the Oakley story both overrates Oakley's importance to this franchise and ignores the overwhelming majority of former Knicks who seem to have no issue coming and going from the Garden.
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“Players around the league, according to the agents, have taken note of the Knicks’ instability: There have been 10 coaches since Van Gundy left in 2001 and almost as many top executives, some with impressive résumés, like Isiah Thomas, Donnie Walsh and Phil Jackson. Now Mills and Scott Perry, the general manager, are at the helm.”
The league has noticed the Knicks have been very very bad for the last 20 years
top executives, some with impressive résumés, like Isiah Thomas.
I love Dolan. Gives the team whatever cash it needs while staying out of the way... except when he's at press conferences drunk, but I can handle that. I hope he remains the owner forever.
RE: When did Charles Oakley become Willis fucking Reed? Â
That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
Not only is Oakley a fan favorite, he is well respected by current players. He is close with KD, for example. Dismiss this report all you want, but that is exactly why the Knicks continue to be terribly run.
I can't believe you guys buy this shit. Durant wanted the Knicks! He lost leverage over Kyrie by being indisposed for a year, but yeah. Only a top 5 player was in on the Knicks. But, let's pretend that didn't happen and that Dolan is the only reason the Knicks suck and it's not a history of bad GMs.
then you are going to be paid the same amount wherever you go (of course the low tax states have some additional advantage). But it makes everything else matter more. The Knicks have nothing other than being in NYC to offer. Bad owner - check. Bad team - check. A tradition of ineptitude - check. A history of bad trades and signings - check. Reputation for an organization steeped in paranoia and fear - check.
It all starts and stops with Dolan. He is the common denominator of 20+ years of disfunction. Frankly, it is hard to think of a single time where he did something where you would go, "maybe he is OK after all." Classic guy who had life handed to him and acts like a spoiled, petulant brat.
I can't believe you guys buy this shit. Durant wanted the Knicks! He lost leverage over Kyrie by being indisposed for a year, but yeah. Only a top 5 player was in on the Knicks. But, let's pretend that didn't happen and that Dolan is the only reason the Knicks suck and it's not a history of bad GMs.
Doubtful. But does the steady drumbeat of dysfunction matter? Definitely. And do players who have more power individually and collectively than in any other sport take notice of an owner who treats his fans, his past players, and his people like shit? You're delusional if you think they don't.
I can't believe you guys buy this shit. Durant wanted the Knicks! He lost leverage over Kyrie by being indisposed for a year, but yeah. Only a top 5 player was in on the Knicks. But, let's pretend that didn't happen and that Dolan is the only reason the Knicks suck and it's not a history of bad GMs.
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There are reports that Durant and Kylie were talking about the Nets late in the regular season. I don’t know how reliable those reports are, but they are no less reliable than those saying KD was trying to lure FA’s to the Knicks, but his injury changed everything.
people take things like this as black and white and as only one reason why things are done??
Oakley, a former player and a mentor to many young players, was treated like shit by the owner.
Does that in and of itself cause players to not want to be in NY? No.
Does added to the fact the owner has had a number of dubious incidents, a history of running things terribly, and a penchant for self-promotion without the results to back it up, make NY a really undesirable place to play?
You bet your ass.
RE: RE: When did Charles Oakley become Willis fucking Reed? Â
That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
Oakley is a fan favorite whether you like it or not. No hes not Willis Reed but he's a beloved player among Knicks fans. Even with that he was still banned from the arena. Why would any player want to go to a place where even if you leave your blood, sweat and tears on the court the owner could eventually ban you.
This so, so much. Oakley is like the Godfather to a lot of these guys.
KD wanting to come here was a unique situation that is unlikely to happen again. Outside of his business ventures all reports are he is very, very concerned with his legacy. There would be no bigger boost to it than bringing a championship to an organization as dysfunctional as the Knicks have been. When is our dysfunction going to be seen as a positive again? Who knows.
I will say even though its a bummer we struck out because of the KD injury at least we are maintaining cap flexibility into the future. This was a very un Knicks like offseason in that respect.
will have to change to attract anyone. The best way to do that is develop the young talent they have and become relevant. That will show: 1. A more stable management and 2. A more competitive team. If Dolan can mange to keep his mouth shut, it would help a lot.
I can't believe you guys buy this shit. Durant wanted the Knicks! He lost leverage over Kyrie by being indisposed for a year, but yeah. Only a top 5 player was in on the Knicks. But, let's pretend that didn't happen and that Dolan is the only reason the Knicks suck and it's not a history of bad GMs.
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Ok, dupe.
Its hysterical that people don't think this matters Â
It is true that FA are not going to cross the Knicks off their list just because Oakley was banned by the owner.
But at the same time, it is also true that players notice when team owners treat players AND former players like trash.
Star players know that they will get the max from whatever team they want. In turn, they expect the team owner will do whatever it takes to help the team win. They can also see that Dolan will only get in the way by annoying the fans.
Does anyone seriously think that we are going to read stories about Steve Ballmer trashing his former star players or Mark Cuban banning some former Mavs star from the arena?
In short, the Knicks could have Jerry West as the GM and Pat Riley as the coach- and the star FA will take the max somewhere else as long as Dolan is the owner.
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It is true that FA are not going to cross the Knicks off their list just because Oakley was banned by the owner.
But at the same time, it is also true that players notice when team owners treat players AND former players like trash.
Star players know that they will get the max from whatever team they want. In turn, they expect the team owner will do whatever it takes to help the team win. They can also see that Dolan will only get in the way by annoying the fans.
Does anyone seriously think that we are going to read stories about Steve Ballmer trashing his former star players or Mark Cuban banning some former Mavs star from the arena?
In short, the Knicks could have Jerry West as the GM and Pat Riley as the coach- and the star FA will take the max somewhere else as long as Dolan is the owner.
20 years of the Mavericks organization knowingly permitting sexual harassment towards female employees and we’re using Cuban as an example of a good owner? Plus, the Mavs routinely strike out in FA anyways.
RE: RE: Its hysterical that people don't think this matters Â
It is true that FA are not going to cross the Knicks off their list just because Oakley was banned by the owner.
But at the same time, it is also true that players notice when team owners treat players AND former players like trash.
Star players know that they will get the max from whatever team they want. In turn, they expect the team owner will do whatever it takes to help the team win. They can also see that Dolan will only get in the way by annoying the fans.
Does anyone seriously think that we are going to read stories about Steve Ballmer trashing his former star players or Mark Cuban banning some former Mavs star from the arena?
In short, the Knicks could have Jerry West as the GM and Pat Riley as the coach- and the star FA will take the max somewhere else as long as Dolan is the owner.
20 years of the Mavericks organization knowingly permitting sexual harassment towards female employees and we’re using Cuban as an example of a good owner? Plus, the Mavs routinely strike out in FA anyways.
also mark cuban banned a credentialed media member from attending a game because he didnt like an article he wrote...
yeah model owner
People aren't crossing the Knicks off because of Dolan Â
What happened, happened. The stench of 20 years of rottenness is going to linger. The current regime seems to have a plan that makes sense. Build the right way, with young guys the Knicks develop. Don't go for an expensive quick fix. If Barrett and Knox and Mitch the other young guys turn into studs, if Trier and Iggy and yet more young guys turn into a solid bench, if they find a point guard, if they all learn to defend, maybe in a year or two they are a really compelling young team. And then management and players alike can say "That was then, this is now."
If Dolan keeps his head down, I guess.
RE: RE: RE: Its hysterical that people don't think this matters Â
It is true that FA are not going to cross the Knicks off their list just because Oakley was banned by the owner.
But at the same time, it is also true that players notice when team owners treat players AND former players like trash.
Star players know that they will get the max from whatever team they want. In turn, they expect the team owner will do whatever it takes to help the team win. They can also see that Dolan will only get in the way by annoying the fans.
Does anyone seriously think that we are going to read stories about Steve Ballmer trashing his former star players or Mark Cuban banning some former Mavs star from the arena?
In short, the Knicks could have Jerry West as the GM and Pat Riley as the coach- and the star FA will take the max somewhere else as long as Dolan is the owner.
20 years of the Mavericks organization knowingly permitting sexual harassment towards female employees and we’re using Cuban as an example of a good owner? Plus, the Mavs routinely strike out in FA anyways.
also mark cuban banned a credentialed media member from attending a game because he didnt like an article he wrote...
yeah model owner
Weak defense.
Players don't really care abut the media. They DO care about how they and fellow players are treated.
Show me where Cuban has banned any players- and then you can talk.
does everything possible to make life as easy as possible for his players. From everything I’ve read they are treated like royalty in Dallas. That doesn’t excuse the shitty things Cuban has been a part of, but I get why players like him/Dallas.
I think the main reason is he is very arrogant and says very little to help himself. However, he's certainly not a cheap owner, he's more than willing to spend money which is more than some can say. He's also tried a multiple variety of people to turn it all around. It hasn't happened but it's not all on him either.
Though as I said he gets very little sympathy from me and others because he's such an arrogant douche in everyday life.
I think Dolan started off as an awful owner who interfered too much, Â
but who has learned to stay mostly in the background. I don't think the Oakley incident is as big a deal as some are making it, but it probably has some effect with some players. Dolan should apologize to him.
The problem is Dolan. Until he's gone, I'm not confident we can attract people to MSG. He's a buffoon.
Oakley is a fan favorite whether you like it or not. No hes not Willis Reed but he's a beloved player among Knicks fans. Even with that he was still banned from the arena. Why would any player want to go to a place where even if you leave your blood, sweat and tears on the court the owner could eventually ban you.
I imagine people's career decisions are made for an astonishing variety of reasons, none of which have anything at all to do with what you think.
Knick fans might be stupid but most NBA players are not.
People often wonder why Dolan, in his chairmanship of the Garden, has had measurable success with hockey’s Rangers while faring so miserably with the Knicks. The answer seems clear: The N.B.A.’s difference makers, in addition to being corporate powerhouses, are also eminent cultural celebrities. They have a grand social platform and have been increasingly eager to use it.
Contrarily repellent is Dolan’s utter intolerance of any departure from his less-than-enlightened company line. It goes much deeper than profanely arguing with a fan, or punishing journalists — most recently the Daily News’ Stefan Bondy —whose reporting Dolan objects to. Name a Knicks executive, coach or player during the Dolan years known for his outspokenness. Try to imagine LeBron James’s or Gregg Popovich’s political diatribes at the Garden.
Players like Durant and Irving did not grow up in a bubble. They know that to be a Garden employee who crosses Dolan is to be censored, or crushed. When Anucha Browne Sanders said in 2007 that she had been sexually harassed in her position as a Knicks marketing executive, Dolan afforded her not a shred of sympathy or respect. (She won a civil judgment in connection with the accusation.) The origin of Charles Oakley’s beef with Dolan — which led to Oakley’s being cuffed and carried out of the Garden, under arrest — was harmless criticism that rang true.
The current front office folks had a year and a half after Phil Jackson’s exit to appease Porzingis, and failed. Dolan went on the radio after the trade and bragged: “We hear from people all the time players, representatives who want to come. ... I can tell from what we’ve heard, I think we’re going to have a very successful off-season when it comes to free agents.”
Then came the hard part, the actual selling season. After all the hope and hype, the Knicks were suddenly filling the much-celebrated cap space with a trio of consolation prize forwards —Julius Randle, Bobby Portis and Taj Gibson — on two-year deals that would allow them to begin selling yet another next free-agent fantasy, Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2021. They were surreptitiously letting it be known — after the fact, naturally —that they never really wanted Durant at the full max salary price.
The Knicks’ default position — developing their young players — may someday even be considered a blessing. With their veteran additions, they may even slip into the playoffs next season. But those are narratives for another time. Today’s is the persistence of a recurring one. Dolan, an owner from the very old school of player subservience, has once again flunked modern N.B.A. civics.
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It’s not about Oakley specifically. It’s about how childish, petty, and shitty Dolan is. And why shouldnt that effect free agency? If you can go to competing company that has an amazing owner that treats his employees well for the same exact pay why wouldn’t you do it?
The players are now bigger than the markets, NY doesn’t matter anymore, or at least nowhere near as much as it used to. It isn’t 1990.
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That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
Oakley is a fan favorite whether you like it or not. No hes not Willis Reed but he's a beloved player among Knicks fans. Even with that he was still banned from the arena. Why would any player want to go to a place where even if you leave your blood, sweat and tears on the court the owner could eventually ban you.
Is Pat Ewing banned? Starks? LJ? Sprewell? Bernard King? Was Mase (RIP)? Melo? Even bum ass Charles Smith isn't banned. I'm not saying Dolan shouldn't be the bigger person here, but Charles Oakley isn't a "legend" and the events of that night sure as fuck aren't just one person's fault. Making that the reason to not come to NY is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I would pray that players aren't that stupid.
“Might”..... crack reporting there
The league has noticed the Knicks have been very very bad for the last 20 years
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That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
Oakley is a fan favorite whether you like it or not. No hes not Willis Reed but he's a beloved player among Knicks fans. Even with that he was still banned from the arena. Why would any player want to go to a place where even if you leave your blood, sweat and tears on the court the owner could eventually ban you.
Is Pat Ewing banned? Starks? LJ? Sprewell? Bernard King? Was Mase (RIP)? Melo? Even bum ass Charles Smith isn't banned. I'm not saying Dolan shouldn't be the bigger person here, but Charles Oakley isn't a "legend" and the events of that night sure as fuck aren't just one person's fault. Making that the reason to not come to NY is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I would pray that players aren't that stupid.
Who said that was THE reason? It is A reason among other things.
So, because it may not matter for one means it isn't a possible issue for another? Again, nobody is saying it is the sole reason and nobody is saying it applies to all players. However, it is a factor whether you want to believe it or not. And this Oakley situation is just a long list of bad decisions made by our owner. How about the one where he fired a woman for doing her job when asking for Dolan's ID when he didnt' have it on him?
so then why when oakley post the picture did he say he was recruiting durant to the knicks?
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with him on the Knicks, but the Dolan and Oakley situation is the reason no one wants to play here? C'mon people. I know you hate Dolan but this is nonsense.
So, because it may not matter for one means it isn't a possible issue for another? Again, nobody is saying it is the sole reason and nobody is saying it applies to all players. However, it is a factor whether you want to believe it or not. And this Oakley situation is just a long list of bad decisions made by our owner. How about the one where he fired a woman for doing her job when asking for Dolan's ID when he didnt' have it on him?
Kevin Durant isn't here because he blew out his Achilles, which ruined his ability to recruit anyone who would have to play by themselves as KD convalesced. Kyrie isn't here because he rooted for the Nets as a kid and they have a better roster. Kawhi never wanted to play in NY or anywhere else other than LA. Had his shot not fallen versus Philadelphia, his decision would've been made a week ago. Aside from that, no one else was really worth big money. The only 2 places Anthony Davis would even entertain signing long-term extensions were with the Lakers and Knicks. (The Knicks wisely decided that would be too big a drain of resources without a guarantee.)
As for your last sentence, if you think MSG is the only place something like that would happen, you must not have worked anywhere. I'm not trying to convince anyone Dolan is a nice guy or a good guy. However, the root of all evils stuff is over the top and the Oakley story both overrates Oakley's importance to this franchise and ignores the overwhelming majority of former Knicks who seem to have no issue coming and going from the Garden.
The league has noticed the Knicks have been very very bad for the last 20 years
top executives, some with impressive résumés, like Isiah Thomas.
Story automatically put in trash.
Not only is Oakley a fan favorite, he is well respected by current players. He is close with KD, for example. Dismiss this report all you want, but that is exactly why the Knicks continue to be terribly run.
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It all starts and stops with Dolan. He is the common denominator of 20+ years of disfunction. Frankly, it is hard to think of a single time where he did something where you would go, "maybe he is OK after all." Classic guy who had life handed to him and acts like a spoiled, petulant brat.
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There are reports that Durant and Kylie were talking about the Nets late in the regular season. I don’t know how reliable those reports are, but they are no less reliable than those saying KD was trying to lure FA’s to the Knicks, but his injury changed everything.
Oakley, a former player and a mentor to many young players, was treated like shit by the owner.
Does that in and of itself cause players to not want to be in NY? No.
Does added to the fact the owner has had a number of dubious incidents, a history of running things terribly, and a penchant for self-promotion without the results to back it up, make NY a really undesirable place to play?
You bet your ass.
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That might be the most nonsense story in the history of mankind and anyone who would let it dictate or in any way affect their career decisions is a jackass.
Oakley is a fan favorite whether you like it or not. No hes not Willis Reed but he's a beloved player among Knicks fans. Even with that he was still banned from the arena. Why would any player want to go to a place where even if you leave your blood, sweat and tears on the court the owner could eventually ban you.
This so, so much. Oakley is like the Godfather to a lot of these guys.
KD wanting to come here was a unique situation that is unlikely to happen again. Outside of his business ventures all reports are he is very, very concerned with his legacy. There would be no bigger boost to it than bringing a championship to an organization as dysfunctional as the Knicks have been. When is our dysfunction going to be seen as a positive again? Who knows.
I will say even though its a bummer we struck out because of the KD injury at least we are maintaining cap flexibility into the future. This was a very un Knicks like offseason in that respect.
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I can't believe you guys buy this shit. Durant wanted the Knicks! He lost leverage over Kyrie by being indisposed for a year, but yeah. Only a top 5 player was in on the Knicks. But, let's pretend that didn't happen and that Dolan is the only reason the Knicks suck and it's not a history of bad GMs.
#InPerryWeTrust
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Ok, dupe.
But at the same time, it is also true that players notice when team owners treat players AND former players like trash.
Star players know that they will get the max from whatever team they want. In turn, they expect the team owner will do whatever it takes to help the team win. They can also see that Dolan will only get in the way by annoying the fans.
Does anyone seriously think that we are going to read stories about Steve Ballmer trashing his former star players or Mark Cuban banning some former Mavs star from the arena?
In short, the Knicks could have Jerry West as the GM and Pat Riley as the coach- and the star FA will take the max somewhere else as long as Dolan is the owner.
But at the same time, it is also true that players notice when team owners treat players AND former players like trash.
Star players know that they will get the max from whatever team they want. In turn, they expect the team owner will do whatever it takes to help the team win. They can also see that Dolan will only get in the way by annoying the fans.
Does anyone seriously think that we are going to read stories about Steve Ballmer trashing his former star players or Mark Cuban banning some former Mavs star from the arena?
In short, the Knicks could have Jerry West as the GM and Pat Riley as the coach- and the star FA will take the max somewhere else as long as Dolan is the owner.
20 years of the Mavericks organization knowingly permitting sexual harassment towards female employees and we’re using Cuban as an example of a good owner? Plus, the Mavs routinely strike out in FA anyways.
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It is true that FA are not going to cross the Knicks off their list just because Oakley was banned by the owner.
But at the same time, it is also true that players notice when team owners treat players AND former players like trash.
Star players know that they will get the max from whatever team they want. In turn, they expect the team owner will do whatever it takes to help the team win. They can also see that Dolan will only get in the way by annoying the fans.
Does anyone seriously think that we are going to read stories about Steve Ballmer trashing his former star players or Mark Cuban banning some former Mavs star from the arena?
In short, the Knicks could have Jerry West as the GM and Pat Riley as the coach- and the star FA will take the max somewhere else as long as Dolan is the owner.
20 years of the Mavericks organization knowingly permitting sexual harassment towards female employees and we’re using Cuban as an example of a good owner? Plus, the Mavs routinely strike out in FA anyways.
also mark cuban banned a credentialed media member from attending a game because he didnt like an article he wrote...
yeah model owner
If Dolan keeps his head down, I guess.
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In comment 14493280 rich in DC said:
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It is true that FA are not going to cross the Knicks off their list just because Oakley was banned by the owner.
But at the same time, it is also true that players notice when team owners treat players AND former players like trash.
Star players know that they will get the max from whatever team they want. In turn, they expect the team owner will do whatever it takes to help the team win. They can also see that Dolan will only get in the way by annoying the fans.
Does anyone seriously think that we are going to read stories about Steve Ballmer trashing his former star players or Mark Cuban banning some former Mavs star from the arena?
In short, the Knicks could have Jerry West as the GM and Pat Riley as the coach- and the star FA will take the max somewhere else as long as Dolan is the owner.
20 years of the Mavericks organization knowingly permitting sexual harassment towards female employees and we’re using Cuban as an example of a good owner? Plus, the Mavs routinely strike out in FA anyways.
also mark cuban banned a credentialed media member from attending a game because he didnt like an article he wrote...
yeah model owner
Weak defense.
Players don't really care abut the media. They DO care about how they and fellow players are treated.
Show me where Cuban has banned any players- and then you can talk.
Did you know he used to let tyson chandler use his private jet every other day during the playoffs so he could go see his sick mom?
and i hate defending dolan but oakley is the only player to have a problem with him..
Did you know he used to let tyson chandler use his private jet every other day during the playoffs so he could go see his sick mom?
and i hate defending dolan but oakley is the only player to have a problem with him..
He also made a large donation to Chandler’s charity when he was traded as a parting gift
Though as I said he gets very little sympathy from me and others because he's such an arrogant douche in everyday life.