NFT: Mets mess

But, yeah, this is getting ridiculous.

The only way he's leaving anytime soon is if he himself resigns, which he might actually, because he's humiliating himself as an executive. Might be an all timer in terms of ineptitude at the job.

Horrible info about BVW. Is that true he is buddies w the Coupons? That’s scary stuff.

Being a mets fan sucks.

Is most of us knew this was a bad hire, the signs were all there. The cheesy “most impressed Fred has ever been” rationale for why Brodie was so smart and bringing back the old memories of how “Art Howe lit up the room”.

Now there is little chance of convincing a good mind like Chaim Bloom to reconsider coming here.

I’ve really been slowly pulling away from the Mets since around 2008-2009. 2015 kind of reenergized me but as long the Wilpons are involved I can’t reinvest myself emotionally as a fan like I used to and I don’t and won’t support this ownership in any way financially.

When you look at their roster, who are the cornerstones to build around. I see Degrom, Alonso, and McNeil. Confortos a good player and Dominic Smith has been a surprise. And that’s it. Syndergaard, Wheeler, Diaz and Matz value is at their lowest. Would you give up Degrom for a haul, and sell off the remaining pieces. I would

may be a turning point. He ran the ball to first base! I also think Nido has rediscovered his stroke that made a batting champ in the minors. O yeah, yawn, the Squirrel had another 4 hit night.

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Seems to have lit a fire even if only for a day. Good for him. Nothing to lose.

In comment 14493448 BocaGene said:

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may be a turning point. He ran the ball to first base! I also think Nido has rediscovered his stroke that made a batting champ in the minors. O yeah, yawn, the Squirrel had another 4 hit night.

Nido in 172 career PAs is .209/.233/.308. He is an atrocious hitter even for a backup catcher.

In comment 14493460 81_Great_Dane said:

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Especially if they were lollygagging.

But Mets callers have been calling he fan saying Brodie was hired purposely to keep payroll down? Is there any truth to this at all? Do others feel this way? I look at the Mets team and they are talented so strange how this season has progressed.

In comment 14493483 Tuckrule said:

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But Mets callers have been calling he fan saying Brodie was hired purposely to keep payroll down? Is there any truth to this at all? Do others feel this way? I look at the Mets team and they are talented so strange how this season has progressed.

That is a ridiculous premise IMO. The Mets have the 10th highest the payroll in MLB and it is $7M more than last year (total payroll - which includes Cespedes) - but the number last year included Wright and Cespedes too.

The Mets payroll includes $15M for Wright and $29M for Cespedes (which removed would make them around 23rd in payroll) but that's not how luxury tax works.

I think the payroll is what it's going to be because of the Wilpons 100%, regardless who the GM is.

The Mets organisations priorities have been all wrong for such a long time. Contrast them with the Braves or the Yankees. Strong farm system gives you a position of strength from which to deal. Also, for so, so long the Mets have failed to prioritise quality fielding and contact hitting.
Brodie van whatever his name is's appointment is just another in a long list of poor decisions made by the Mets ownership. There were talented analytics and development guys applying for that job, but they went with the player's agent. Go figure!

"come and get us" probably got the wilpons in heat. They live for deals like the Cano trade. It's like the wizard episode of seinfeld when Jerry says it's not enough for his father to tell you about something he buys, he has to get it at a steal of a price. The wilpons never pay full cost for star players, they are more into finding "discount" superstars - which is why so many of their deals fail - like the willards and Kramer's campaign to be condo board president. They love acting like contenders but not behaving like them, so they hire people who talk a good game instead of having actual credentials.

Omar's only saving grace was he somehow convinced them to sign Beltran - which is the most out of character move in the history of the franchise. Likely when they were madoff drunk.

with Wright & Cespedes still factored in. That number was about $8m higher than last year and obviously doesn't factor in any of the insurance money they are (and have) received back on those 2 contracts.

League average payroll last year was $140m and went down to $135m this year, so more than likely the Mets have been spending below those league average on the field each of the past 2 years (and prior).

Here are all their amounts relative to league average since 2014 (these numbers per spotrac linked below):

2014 - $94m (league avg. $120m)
2015 - $115m (league avg. $129m)
2016 - $147m (league avg. $135m)
2017 - $144m (league avg. $140m) *wright on DL entire year
2018 - $150m (league avg. $140m)
2019 - $158m (league avg. $135m)

Again, all those numbers factor in Wright + Cespedes however the rules consider them (injured or retained salary) fully against the payroll without factoring in the insurance money. So in 2019 for example they are listed as $44m when we knew heading into the year most of that money was coming back via insurance/settlements.

2016 after the WS appears the be the only year they truly bumped the payroll up without expectation of insurance money.
MLB Team Salary Payroll Tracker - ( New Window )

Deserves plenty of criticism. But throwing a chair is at the very bottom of the list if at all.

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When trolling backfires lol

If you don’t like Callaway or his staff just fire him. Stop with the childish chair throwing. Mickey should have knocked him on his ass.

In comment 14493757 Rflairr said:

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If you don’t like Callaway or his staff just fire him. Stop with the childish chair throwing. Mickey should have knocked him on his ass.

That would have been awesome.

Except Mickey probably can’t even do that right.

It’s embarrassing, at the least your management is supposed to act with professionalism. If your owners and GM are a mess, that just sums up the rest. I feel bad for some come of the good Iplayers like McNeil and Alonso. They really could be a core. Too bad Coupons will piss it away.

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When trolling backfires lol

You are the most disappointing Mets fan I have come across on here.

Stop posting shit about trolls every time I post something you disagree with or isn’t all happy frappy yay Mets.

It’s disappointing bc my first week on here I thought you were a reliable source to post with.

And damned if I do and d,send if I don’t post a link. It’s been on every single major sports news site. I
Redundant to post a link.

Been told NYM offered ATL Zack Wheeler, but first asked for Pache. Told that was "laughed off." Told NYM came back asking for Kolby Allard, but Wheeler will be FA. HOU + MIL also looking at Wheeler. 929TheGame</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeConti929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">MikeConti929

— Paul Crane (@PaulCrane7) July 5, 2019

I'd have no problem offering Allard as the main piece even though I am not much of a fan of Wheeler's. Pache is close to untouchable.

Give the Wilpons credits for insuring the contracts but putting their payroll at 10th most in MLB when they are getting 30 million or whatever back is very misleading.

NY is a very expensive place to live. NY is a very hard place to play. Bottom third in money spent on player salaries is not going to cut it.

In comment 14494612 Jay on the Island said:

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Been told NYM offered ATL Zack Wheeler, but first asked for Pache. Told that was "laughed off." Told NYM came back asking for Kolby Allard, but Wheeler will be FA. HOU + MIL also looking at Wheeler. 929TheGame</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeConti929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">MikeConti929 — Paul Crane (@PaulCrane7) July 5, 2019 I'd have no problem offering Allard as the main piece even though I am not much of a fan of Wheeler's. Pache is close to untouchable.

Pache should be untouchable but I'm hoping he makes Waters dealable. Allard seems like a reasonable return that's more in line with what the headline piece for Wheeler will likely be, but I'm not sure I'd do that. Maybe if there was a really good 2nd piece.

The possibility of keeping Wheeler and worst case scenario getting a comp pick looks better and better when we look at our last few 2nd round picks (Wolf, SWR, Vientos, Kay, Alonso). Those guys were all borderline top 10 prospects in our system, with upsides, practically right away.

Wheeler + Lugo for Waters + Allard.

basically confirmed ownership wouldn't okay a deal with the Mets. Cheapons strike again. Trash organization.

In comment 14495092 DanMetroMan said:

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basically confirmed ownership wouldn't okay a deal with the Mets. Cheapons strike again. Trash organization.

Link? Tweet?

In comment 14495092 DanMetroMan said:

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basically confirmed ownership wouldn't okay a deal with the Mets. Cheapons strike again. Trash organization.

I'm pretty convinced Jeff has basically been the GM since the 2017/18 offseason. Overruled Sandy on Cherington/Omar, looking more like he chose Callaway, certainly explains why Sandy walked away at the first chance. Lord knows the 3 headed GM was probably his brainchild because it basically meant he was the actual GM with 3 loyalist advisors.

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In comment 14495092 DanMetroMan said: Quote: basically confirmed ownership wouldn't okay a deal with the Mets. Cheapons strike again. Trash organization. Link? Tweet?

"“I did think [signing with the Mets] was going to happen,” said Grandal, who has 19 homers, an .897 OPS and strong defensive metrics for the Brewers. “We had a really good conversation, Brodie [Van Wagenen] and I. We met. I think the meeting went great. Both sides were on the same page. We just couldn’t come to terms.”

In comment 14495083 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14494612 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Been told NYM offered ATL Zack Wheeler, but first asked for Pache. Told that was "laughed off." Told NYM came back asking for Kolby Allard, but Wheeler will be FA. HOU + MIL also looking at Wheeler. 929TheGame</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeConti929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">MikeConti929 — Paul Crane (@PaulCrane7) July 5, 2019 I'd have no problem offering Allard as the main piece even though I am not much of a fan of Wheeler's. Pache is close to untouchable. Pache should be untouchable but I'm hoping he makes Waters dealable. Allard seems like a reasonable return that's more in line with what the headline piece for Wheeler will likely be, but I'm not sure I'd do that. Maybe if there was a really good 2nd piece. The possibility of keeping Wheeler and worst case scenario getting a comp pick looks better and better when we look at our last few 2nd round picks (Wolf, SWR, Vientos, Kay, Alonso). Those guys were all borderline top 10 prospects in our system, with upsides, practically right away.

While I don't want to give up Waters that is a very fair offer. Waters could be ready for Atlanta midseason of next year and the Braves could have an exciting young OF featuring 3 CF's with Acuna Jr in LF, Pache in CF, and Waters in RF with Riley moving back to 3B.