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Jimmy Googs : 7/7/2019 8:34 am
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-manning-darnold-odell-scenarios-20190706-6mai5cklbfdwrmzk53nfgntu3y-story.html


Leonard giving 4 alternative scenarios of what could have been and saying most of these would have improved the roster for the better...
What if nobody reads Pat Leonard's articles?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/7/2019 8:38 am : link
We'd all be better off.
Absolutely brutal read  
dep026 : 7/7/2019 8:43 am : link
I think the better what if question is what if the Daiky News never hires Leonard - how much more credible would they be?
A much bigger question:  
Klaatu : 7/7/2019 8:49 am : link
What is the Saints took LT  
johnnyb : 7/7/2019 8:57 am : link
first overall?

Ranks with the worst he has ever written. Hindsight is always 20/ 20.
Awful article  
Mike in NY : 7/7/2019 8:57 am : link
He is obsessed with keeping an injury prone pass rusher who needs to be in a 4-3 scheme to maximize his abilities (Vernon), a box safety who can’t cover (Collins), and a 2 down player who is wearing down and is questionable in the locker room (Snacks). I get OBJ is a loss for our receiver corps, but if we didn’t have Saquon Barkley our O would have been historically bad even with OBJ. Teams would have sold out to prevent OBJ catching the ball because we could not run block and Eli was not a threat to do anything but throw to WR. Gallman would not have made the plays Barkley did. Having someone of that caliber forces Defenses to respect the run, screen game, play action which opens up more space for our receivers.
I'll do you one better  
David B. : 7/7/2019 8:59 am : link
Quote:
What if nobody reads Pat Leonard's articles?
robbieballs2003 : 8:38 am : link : reply
We'd all be better off.


What if nobody here POSTED about Hack Leonard's articles? We'd be better off, and maybe he'd get laid off.


And I thought Uncle Ben was making rice . . .



Read this article yesterday  
joeinpa : 7/7/2019 8:59 am : link
Didn’t feel like most of his scenarios would have made the Giants better.

However, being a proponent of they should have drafted Darnold, I don’t think his first scenario is ridiculous. But if Jones turns out as good or better than Darnold he ll be wrong there too.
I love this  
TrueBlue56 : 7/7/2019 9:23 am : link
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The Giants’ running game wasn’t great even with Barkley last season, though. His big runs skewed the final stats.


Damn those big runs. That's like saying the giants wouldn't have 4 Superbowl championships if we hadn't won them.

And what manning - Beckham friction is he even talking about

I feel like I lose a few more brain cells with every article pat writes
Everything Pat Leonard writes is crap  
blueblood : 7/7/2019 9:27 am : link
pure hot garbage.
Will not click  
slickwilly : 7/7/2019 9:27 am : link
Dude spouts garbage.
I stopped reading #1....OBJ with Darnold rookie year  
George from PA : 7/7/2019 9:30 am : link
Would be better then Manning?????

Stopped reading. Nonsense
What if Pat Leonard wasn't evil?  
Klaatu : 7/7/2019 9:46 am : link
Like his doppelganger, Col. Green, from the Star Trek: TOS episode, "The Savage Curtain."

Makes me long for  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/7/2019 9:46 am : link
the days of Ralph V at The News.
A favorite of mine  
dep026 : 7/7/2019 9:51 am : link
Is how we passed up the greatest NFL mind ever, Louis Riddick, who still can’t gst a GM job.
RE: I love this  
christian : 7/7/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14493518 TrueBlue56 said:
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The Giants’ running game wasn’t great even with Barkley last season, though. His big runs skewed the final stats.



Damn those big runs. That's like saying the giants wouldn't have 4 Superbowl championships if we hadn't won them.

And what manning - Beckham friction is he even talking about

I feel like I lose a few more brain cells with every article pat writes


The Giants running game wasn't good, even with Barkley and those big runs. Forget about skewed stats.
What ifs that are possible, and no more speculative as to current  
Bob in Newburgh : 7/7/2019 10:32 am : link
relative position of the team value.

What if Saquon Barkley is the greatest (or close enough) RB who has ever played the game? The physical attributes combined in a single player certainly make this possible.

What if Daniel Jones is the QB of the decade. Nothing of his arm talent, leg talent, physical stature, intelligence preclude this. The assumption presented that Sam Darnold will have a better career may turn out to be correct, but there is scant empirical evidence for this belief.
To  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/7/2019 10:36 am : link
his credit, Leonard has actually written some decent articles during the dead period this offseason.

(Though you guys who think the ads are bad on this site should try surfing around the Daily News - holy hell).

Weird thing is the Giants have at least two beat reporters covering the team right now who seem to hate covering the Giants.
DG’’s solutions were better  
BillT : 7/7/2019 10:50 am : link
None of those scenarios leave as good a roster as we have now.
What if Pat Leonard  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/7/2019 11:08 am : link
Didn't write a headless chicken talking out of the side of his neck article?

Aaaarggh this time of year is brutal.
RE: I love this  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/7/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14493518 TrueBlue56 said:
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Quote:


The Giants’ running game wasn’t great even with Barkley last season, though. His big runs skewed the final stats.



Damn those big runs. That's like saying the giants wouldn't have 4 Superbowl championships if we hadn't won them.

And what manning - Beckham friction is he even talking about

I feel like I lose a few more brain cells with every article pat writes

Are we talking about Barry Sanders?
Leonard sucks monkey Balls  
ZogZerg : 7/7/2019 11:16 am : link
Will not click on his crap.
Does Pat Leonard  
XBRONX : 7/7/2019 11:22 am : link
shit in the woods?
I  
AcidTest : 7/7/2019 11:54 am : link
honestly don't understand the point of these types of articles. Who cares about hypothetical situations, or what we might have done, especially when it's as complicated as what he describes? I'd rather read articles predicting what will happen with the players on the roster, like who will surprise, what schemes we'll use, how the new players will be integrated, etc.
More important if,  
XBRONX : 7/7/2019 12:00 pm : link
if Pat was born female would his parents still have named him Pat.
Not sure why Leonard focuses on keeping Vernon  
Jimmy Googs : 7/7/2019 12:04 pm : link
as some type of better “what if”. We need pass rushers but OV wasn’t bringing it...
Don't click  
Optimus-NY : 7/7/2019 12:22 pm : link
Fuck this hack.
Between Leonard and Manish Mehta  
Deejboy : 7/7/2019 12:25 pm : link
The NY Daily News has easily the two worst beat writers in all of sports. At least Manish is in love with Sam Darnold and seems to like covering the Jets even though the fanbase all hates him cause he is a hack. Leonard hates the Giants and tries hard to troll to get some attention to get a bigger gig like Raanan did. But if the News fired him he probably wouldn't catch on anywhere he is so bad.
What if he went back to covering the Rangers  
Rflairr : 7/7/2019 1:14 pm : link
And not the Giants. That would be great
robbie's reply was really all this thread needed,  
Mad Mike : 7/7/2019 1:30 pm : link
though I do like exploring the possibilities if Uncle Ben had lived.
Gettleman must have  
PEEJ : 7/7/2019 1:34 pm : link
pissed in Leonard's Cheerios. I haven't seen such a blatant vendetta, since Gary Myers vs Coughlin
Leonard... like Raanan... like Duggan...  
90.Cal : 7/7/2019 3:08 pm : link
And like alot of NFL beat writers.... truly think they would make better NFL G.M's than the actual NFL G.M's...

We should have hired Riddick
We should have drafted Darnold
Bullshit! Let them keep sleeping on Saquon!

RE: I stopped reading #1....OBJ with Darnold rookie year  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14493524 George from PA said:
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Would be better then Manning?????

Stopped reading. Nonsense

Ben McAdoo, are you a sports writer now?

If Geno Smith isn't available this makes perfect sense
RE: Leonard... like Raanan... like Duggan...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/7/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14493829 90.Cal said:
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And like alot of NFL beat writers.... truly think they would make better NFL G.M's than the actual NFL G.M's...

We should have hired Riddick
We should have drafted Darnold
Bullshit! Let them keep sleeping on Saquon!

People are amazingly stupid and information and facts are completely ignore, even with what SB showed last year and Darnold looked like a less tough Andy Dalton.
I hate DG  
giantstock : 7/7/2019 6:27 pm : link
But Leonard's points are no better.

Just stop the crap about keeping Collins for a rebuild team.
Pretty much each scenario  
Cenotaph : 7/7/2019 7:17 pm : link
was based on not changing the roster up significantly - a few different picks etc, but keep the main guys they traded. Maybe this would have been a better roster for the next year or 2 - but it wouldn't have been a contender, and they would be further back in truly rebuilding. The one where he has them drafting Haskins instead of Jones is silly - obviously the Giants preferred Jones, and there's no reason to doubt the pick yet. But keeping the team together instead of the trades they made maybe equals another win or 2-3, but they still likely weren't a contending team over the years they were here, and now you don't have young players gaining experience instead.

I know it's the dead period, but hindsight articles like this are about as useless as immediate draft grades. And this one reads like someone has an axe to grind with DG.
RE: More important if,  
mfsd : 7/7/2019 7:17 pm : link
In comment 14493653 XBRONX said:
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if Pat was born female would his parents still have named him Pat.


The only reason to open this thread was to enjoy some of the inventive comments about how much Pat Leonard sucks...well played sir.
RE: I hate DG  
Default : 7/7/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14493926 giantstock said:
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But Leonard's points are no better.

Just stop the crap about keeping Collins for a rebuild team.


Yeah exactly my thoughts.
His different scenarios, while different, are equally as shitty as reality.
WTF??  
Leg of Theismann : 7/7/2019 10:47 pm : link
In all of his scenarios he mentions Landon Collins playing on the franchise tag. Collins (I thought) said publicly he would not play on the franchise tag, and that's why Gettleman didn't tag him because it would have just resulted in a distraction of a stand-off with Collins holding out. The only way to keep Collins and avoid that would have been to pay him $14M per year and there's no way a linebacker playing safety is worth that kind of dough. So all of these scenarios are rendered pointless and unrealistic.

Am I missing something here?
It’s funny because the Giants actions speak pretty loud and clear  
BSIMatt : 7/8/2019 12:58 am : link
About what they thought about allocating significant resources towards Collins. He wasn’t in their plans moving forward, no sense in rehashing that. Media held Collins in higher regard than the Giants ever did from a team building standpoint.
shame on those  
Karl Hungus : 7/8/2019 5:47 am : link
Who just gave this clown a page view.
I agree that these what IFs are stupid  
NoGainDayne : 7/8/2019 8:27 am : link
lots to play out. But people should be very comfortable with the idea that there is skepticism about the way the giants run things and there seems to be more people here always rushing to the defense of the team as opposed to the more balanced idea that these a lot of these moves and the way our team has been run could very well backfire
That article was garbage  
Rudy5757 : 7/8/2019 9:25 am : link
I personally think getting rid of some of the players they dumped during the season was a good move. Vernon has a ton of talent but you can't count on him. Harrison was getting old and look at his attitude on his new team. I liked Collins but he is replaceable and I think peppers was an upgrade.

You never know if a different player would preform as well or better on another team. FA leave teams all the time and many don't live up to the contracts they sign. Some exceed expectations but a lot of times its the scheme that a player is successful in. I like some of the FA moves the Giants have done because the coaches know the players and the players have been successful in the scheme.

The Jury is out on the QB situation. We wont know for 3-5 years if it was good or bad. Haskins was drafted in the middle of the 1st round so a lot of teams passed on him, maybe they would have passed on Jones too but we'll never know.

I do know that the article was garbage, not well thought out and a really bad attempt to discredit Gettleman once again.
RE: I hate DG  
crick n NC : 7/8/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14493926 giantstock said:
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But Leonard's points are no better.

Just stop the crap about keeping Collins for a rebuild team.


You hate DG? That's an helluva expression for something that is meant to be merely entertainment.
I really can't stand beat writers  
santacruzom : 7/8/2019 4:24 pm : link
who write things I don't agree with and don't see things my way.
RE: I stopped reading #1....OBJ with Darnold rookie year  
Josh in the City : 7/8/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14493524 George from PA said:
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Would be better then Manning?????

Stopped reading. Nonsense

But is it?
RE: What if Pat Leonard  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/8/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14493607 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Didn't write a headless chicken talking out of the side of his neck article?

Aaaarggh this time of year is brutal.

You post all year, don't you? That kind of makes the whole year brutal.
Pat Leonard wrong?  
Bleedin Blue : 7/9/2019 12:52 am : link
For Pat Leonard to be wrong he’d have to be right, and to quote Rhah from Platoon “ he ain’t never been right about nothing!”

The guy’s a hack! What ifs?? Please!
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