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Jints in Carolina : 7/7/2019 10:11 am


Valera, starting at second today, was claimed off waivers from the Giants in May and was added to the 40 man.

TB
Travis d'Arnaud (R) 1B
Tommy Pham (R) LF
Yandy Diaz (R) 3B
Avisail Garcia (R) RF
Nate Lowe (L) DH
Michael Brosseau (R) 2B
Willy Adames (R) SS
Kevin Kiermaier (L) CF
Mike Zunino (R) C

Paxton vs. Morton
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the last 2 games offensively  
Jints in Carolina : 7/7/2019 3:43 pm : link
have sucked.
RE: the last 2 games offensively  
NYerInMA : 7/7/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14493854 Jints in Carolina said:
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have sucked.


Yeah I've been very disappointed by the at-bats in yesterday and today.
I think we all need the all star break  
Jints in Carolina : 7/7/2019 4:08 pm : link
.
While he was resting everyone  
Stu11 : 7/7/2019 4:12 pm : link
Booney sure could have given us all a rest from watching 4 more awful ab's by EE
Pathetic job by the offense.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2019 4:13 pm : link
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I just don't understand Boone's  
section125 : 7/7/2019 4:14 pm : link
lineup today.
Why do you gift a game to the Rays when you had a foot on their throat?

Hope someone asks him about Valera being up.

Gary might need a break from the All Star game.

That blown third strike instead of a walk to Judge may very well have cost them the game.
Great job  
Mike Graves : 7/7/2019 4:17 pm : link
of not having DJ and Torres in the lineup...and the surging Sanchez and The Parakeet keep up their hotless hitting..
Yea Boone treating this like a ST game  
Stu11 : 7/7/2019 4:20 pm : link
With that lineup including pulling Valera off the Giants reject wagon was mind boggling especially with 4 days off coming up. Even the all star position guys give me a break. They're gonna fly to Cleveland hang out and play a few innings tuesday.

Thank God 22 year old Gleyber Torres got a day...  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2019 4:25 pm : link
a day before the All Star Break......
*a day off  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2019 4:25 pm : link
.
No bats...  
M.S. : 7/7/2019 4:25 pm : link

...no win.

Oh, well.

A split would have been fine before the series started.

But after winning the first two?

Not so fine.

Where was Torres?

WHere was DJ?

Boonie pulls a boner.

RE: Thank God 22 year old Gleyber Torres got a day...  
section125 : 7/7/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14493874 Dave in Hoboken said:
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a day before the All Star Break......


35 y/o Brett Gardner who was signed as a backup for this year has played more games than anyone else - 83. Torres is 2nd with 80 or 81.
RE: RE: Thank God 22 year old Gleyber Torres got a day...  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14493878 section125 said:
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In comment 14493874 Dave in Hoboken said:


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a day before the All Star Break......



35 y/o Brett Gardner who was signed as a backup for this year has played more games than anyone else - 83. Torres is 2nd with 80 or 81.


Haha, that's funny. Oh well. Glad Torres got his day of rest before the Break.
Why do you guys complain about the lineup  
UConn4523 : 7/7/2019 4:35 pm : link
and why do you only blame Boone when doing so? The team you root for has its own philosophy on prepping for 162. Itís going to be the same next year and the year after. Time to simply accept it.

You canít enjoy our tear despite the injuries and also hate when a less than ideal lineup is trotted out to give players rest. The Yankees donít want their stars, even the young ones, playing much more than 150 games. Thatís not even taking into account the injuries that are played through where extra rest is needed.
Because sometimes it's a tad ridiculous  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2019 4:36 pm : link
and today is one of those days. Accept the occasional complaining. It's going to continue if you read these threads daily.
RE: Because sometimes it's a tad ridiculous  
Jay in Toronto : 7/7/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14493882 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and today is one of those days. Accept the occasional complaining. It's going to continue if you read these threads daily.


The complaining is more than occasional when we aren't winning. It seems occasional cause we've been mostly winning.

It is tiresome. At this point I still value the comments by many of the posters that add real substance and I would hate to give that up.

BTW, last winter I complained about the recent practice of a single Rangers thread that accumulated numerous games and made reading unwieldy.

I was reminded that a hockey season has many more games than a football season.

Didn't think that was a good argument then, and think it less so inlight of baseball.


RE: RE: Because sometimes it's a tad ridiculous  
adamg : 7/7/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14493904 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14493882 Dave in Hoboken said:


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and today is one of those days. Accept the occasional complaining. It's going to continue if you read these threads daily.



The complaining is more than occasional when we aren't winning. It seems occasional cause we've been mostly winning.

It is tiresome. At this point I still value the comments by many of the posters that add real substance and I would hate to give that up.

BTW, last winter I complained about the recent practice of a single Rangers thread that accumulated numerous games and made reading unwieldy.

I was reminded that a hockey season has many more games than a football season.

Didn't think that was a good argument then, and think it less so inlight of baseball.



It really is ridiculous. If I were a Mets fan I would loathe some of these Yankees fans' expectation of a 162-0 season.
RE: Because sometimes it's a tad ridiculous  
UConn4523 : 7/7/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14493882 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and today is one of those days. Accept the occasional complaining. It's going to continue if you read these threads daily.


Doesnít bother me, just kinda baffles me that people keep questioning it amidst the first half the Yankees just had, a year after winning 100 games applying the same methods.

Their data is better than yours (the fans), Iím going to side with that. This isnít trusting the Yankees on a whim, theyíve implemented a winning model with the goal of being sustainable each and every year and so far itís working. The goal is to get to the playoffs healthy, this increases those odds.
Paxton pitches a gem  
adamg : 7/7/2019 5:55 pm : link
but people are getting caught up in a day off for some of the bigger bats, as if we're fucking up big time.

Very little light, but a lot of heat.
Needed a split, got a split  
Stan in LA : 7/7/2019 6:01 pm : link
Mission Accomplished.
RE: Needed a split, got a split  
M.S. : 7/7/2019 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14493911 Stan in LA said:
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Mission Accomplished.


A split would have been fine before the series started. But after winning the first two? Not so fine. Mission aborted.
RE: Why do you guys complain about the lineup  
Eman11 : 7/7/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14493881 UConn4523 said:
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and why do you only blame Boone when doing so? The team you root for has its own philosophy on prepping for 162. Itís going to be the same next year and the year after. Time to simply accept it.

You canít enjoy our tear despite the injuries and also hate when a less than ideal lineup is trotted out to give players rest. The Yankees donít want their stars, even the young ones, playing much more than 150 games. Thatís not even taking into account the injuries that are played through where extra rest is needed.


Because while we get all that, today didn't seem like the smartest day to go analytics,IMO. We have the AS Game coming up for rest and if they weren't playing their closest division rival, I wouldn't have a problem with the lineup.

We had TB on the ropes with a chance to put our feet squarely on their throats. Today was a two game swing and I think we should be putting our best out there when playing our closest division competitors. Save the rest for games not against TB or the Sox.
Certainly fine if you think that  
UConn4523 : 7/7/2019 7:07 pm : link
but Iím still defaulting to an additional day off for guys even with the ASB. You donít know what injuries are nagging, and getting that 4th or 5th day off can be the difference between a strain here or there turning into a sprain. The Yankees are also looking at who else can step up and be a viable backup for the 2nd half of the season.

We really donít have much info to go off of. Iím sure thereís a very real and deliberate reason for the lineup.
Nice 1-2-3  
Jay in Toronto : 7/7/2019 7:17 pm : link
by Devi a K and two pop-ups.

Works quickly. Seems very poised.
Deivi Garcia promoted by Yankees  
YANKEE28 : 7/7/2019 7:34 pm : link
Great 1st inning for Garcia.

Following his appearance, he was just notified by the Yankees to fly to Scranton after the Futures Game.

Deivi Garcia will who turned 20 on May 19th, will now be they youngest player in AAA ball.

Congrats !!
RE: Why do you guys complain about the lineup  
section125 : 7/7/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14493881 UConn4523 said:
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and why do you only blame Boone when doing so? The team you root for has its own philosophy on prepping for 162. Itís going to be the same next year and the year after. Time to simply accept it.

You canít enjoy our tear despite the injuries and also hate when a less than ideal lineup is trotted out to give players rest. The Yankees donít want their stars, even the young ones, playing much more than 150 games. Thatís not even taking into account the injuries that are played through where extra rest is needed.


UConn, they are still getting hurt even with the extra rest. I'm not against resting players. It is a very good idea. They have won more than they lost with the diminshed lineup. But when the players are getting multiple days off, there is really no urgency to rest a player today. I did not like gifting a game to the Rays.

But my biggest issue is bringing up Valera instead of Estrada. And the dumbass covered the wrong base. That allowed a runner to advance to the base he was supposed to be covering. It is a play about every freakin' Little Leaguer and certainly Babe Ruth League and HS player knows that either the SS or 2nd baseman covers 2nd base depending on which one becomes the cutoff man. He is 27 years old. Been a pro for years. He allowed the Rays player to take 2nd and that runner scored the winning run.
RE: Deivi Garcia promoted by Yankees  
dune69 : 7/7/2019 7:43 pm : link
In comment 14493951 YANKEE28 said:
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Great 1st inning for Garcia.

Following his appearance, he was just notified by the Yankees to fly to Scranton after the Futures Game.

Deivi Garcia will who turned 20 on May 19th, will now be they youngest player in AAA ball.

Congrats !!


Great news about Scranton. This kid has special written all over him. Love to watch him pitch.
Right and you are reacting as a fan  
UConn4523 : 7/7/2019 7:44 pm : link
not as a GM/Manager who has countless factors that go into each and every lineup. I couldnít tell you why he went with scalers, but do you think he just woke up and felt like it? And be mad at Valera for his fuckup, not Boone.

Iíve never been one to nitpick the day to day of baseball operations, seems utterly pointless. Iíll question/debate macro level moves like trading for Stanton, not making a big play for Machado/Harper, bringing back Happ, etc. but daily lineups is just a waste of time and isnít backed by any actual data that a fan could possess.
RE: Deivi Garcia promoted by Yankees  
Ryan in Albany : 7/7/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14493951 YANKEE28 said:
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Great 1st inning for Garcia.

Following his appearance, he was just notified by the Yankees to fly to Scranton after the Futures Game.

Deivi Garcia will who turned 20 on May 19th, will now be they youngest player in AAA ball.

Congrats !!



Fast track! Awesome!
One 97 from Deivi, mostly 93-95ís. Curve is a 12-to-6.  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/7/2019 8:08 pm : link
DL Hall and Dustin May looked good too.
Guys what is Garcia projection  
dep026 : 7/7/2019 8:46 pm : link
Was offered him and wander Franco in my dynasty league for Yates and greinke
RE: Certainly fine if you think that  
Eman11 : 7/7/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14493939 UConn4523 said:
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but Iím still defaulting to an additional day off for guys even with the ASB. You donít know what injuries are nagging, and getting that 4th or 5th day off can be the difference between a strain here or there turning into a sprain. The Yankees are also looking at who else can step up and be a viable backup for the 2nd half of the season.

We really donít have much info to go off of. Iím sure thereís a very real and deliberate reason for the lineup.


No doubt there's a lot of merit to what you're saying and given how well they've done in this and last regular season, I can't really argue with their approach.

However, while there probably was a very real and deliberate reason for today's lineup, I have a hard time thinking one of those reasons was this was our best chance of winning today vs the Rays.

Personally, I'd just rather they go for it as much as possible vs their closest Divison opponents and use the rest against other teams. I think we gave TB a bit of life going into the break when we had the chance to keep them down.
Deivi sure has been promoted aggressively this season  
RasputinPrime : 7/7/2019 9:06 pm : link
we don't see that very often. I wonder why they are intent on getting him to AAA this season when it would be shock to see him up with the big club before next year at the earliest.
RE: RE: Because sometimes it's a tad ridiculous  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/7/2019 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14493907 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14493882 Dave in Hoboken said:


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and today is one of those days. Accept the occasional complaining. It's going to continue if you read these threads daily.



Doesnít bother me, just kinda baffles me that people keep questioning it amidst the first half the Yankees just had, a year after winning 100 games applying the same methods.

Their data is better than yours (the fans), Iím going to side with that. This isnít trusting the Yankees on a whim, theyíve implemented a winning model with the goal of being sustainable each and every year and so far itís working. The goal is to get to the playoffs healthy, this increases those odds.


I get it, and I agree. But I think series circumstances were alittle different. It's the team that's in 2nd place behind us in the division, and we had a chance to step on their throat and create more seperation from 1st place to 2nd place.

If it was just come random series against the White Sox or something, I don't think anyone would care at all. This though, was alittle different.

Either way, it's not a big deal. Still split the series but alittle more distance would've been nice. Oh well. No biggie.
RE: Guys what is Garcia projection  
Kyle in NY : 7/7/2019 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14493996 dep026 said:
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Was offered him and wander Franco in my dynasty league for Yates and greinke


Kirby Yates? You have a contending team? Otherwise that would seem like a no brainer. Franco is going to be a star and each could be in the majors at some point next season Deivi is shooting up prospect rankings

Admittedly Iím not experienced in dynasty fantasy baseball
RE: RE: Guys what is Garcia projection  
dep026 : 7/7/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14494014 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14493996 dep026 said:


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Was offered him and wander Franco in my dynasty league for Yates and greinke



Kirby Yates? You have a contending team? Otherwise that would seem like a no brainer. Franco is going to be a star and each could be in the majors at some point next season Deivi is shooting up prospect rankings

Admittedly Iím not experienced in dynasty fantasy baseball


I can keep 8 guys next year.

I have definitevely

meadows
tatis
soroka
rustchman
addell
franco
garcia

then I have to choose between kiriloff, merrifield, mcneil, buxton...

if i am trading greinke.... i need an absolute stud in return. He is in high demand
oh and I have Forresst  
dep026 : 7/7/2019 9:17 pm : link
Whitley too.
RE: Right and you are reacting as a fan  
section125 : 7/7/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14493960 UConn4523 said:
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not as a GM/Manager who has countless factors that go into each and every lineup. I couldnít tell you why he went with scalers, but do you think he just woke up and felt like it? And be mad at Valera for his fuckup, not Boone.

Iíve never been one to nitpick the day to day of baseball operations, seems utterly pointless. Iíll question/debate macro level moves like trading for Stanton, not making a big play for Machado/Harper, bringing back Happ, etc. but daily lineups is just a waste of time and isnít backed by any actual data that a fan could possess.


No shit I am a fan. Very good that I am not the GM. I can also see that the rest is a great idea, but be smart. No reason to denude the team completely.
The season is made up of day to day decisions. Why would you gift a game to the Rays. I give Boone credit because they have won more of these games then they have lost. I just really think the Valera decision was unnecessary.
Deivi highlights  
Professor Falken : 7/7/2019 11:08 pm : link
from the Futures Game. Yes, please.
Deivi - ( New Window )
RE: Deivi highlights  
section125 : 7/7/2019 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14494143 Professor Falken said:
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from the Futures Game. Yes, please. Deivi - ( New Window )


Very smooth effortless delivery.
I saw fangraphs call Deivi the 63rd best prospect  
NoGainDayne : 7/8/2019 7:56 am : link
Other lists come out mid season right.

Hard to believe he isnít top 20 or top 30 with his stuff right now.
RE: Right and you are reacting as a fan  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/8/2019 9:10 am : link
In comment 14493960 UConn4523 said:
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not as a GM/Manager who has countless factors that go into each and every lineup. I couldnít tell you why he went with scalers, but do you think he just woke up and felt like it? And be mad at Valera for his fuckup, not Boone.

Iíve never been one to nitpick the day to day of baseball operations, seems utterly pointless. Iíll question/debate macro level moves like trading for Stanton, not making a big play for Machado/Harper, bringing back Happ, etc. but daily lineups is just a waste of time and isnít backed by any actual data that a fan could possess.


The fan reactions are strange because they seemingly act as if Boone single-handedly loses games while the team wins them. It was that way with Girardi and the snarky comments about binders.

When we lose yesterday, it isn't because there were some terrible at bats - it was because of the lineup. When we lose after the bullpen surrenders a lead, most of the comments complain that the starter was pulled or that Boone picked the wrong reliever.

To hear some people post on these threads, the Yankees are undefeated if it weren't for Boone's influence.
RE: I saw fangraphs call Deivi the 63rd best prospect  
Greg from LI : 7/8/2019 9:13 am : link
In comment 14494246 NoGainDayne said:
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Other lists come out mid season right.

Hard to believe he isnít top 20 or top 30 with his stuff right now.


This came up in the last Kiley McDaniel chat and he said Garcia wasn't higher because of his size.
Not saying he is Pedro but  
NoGainDayne : 7/8/2019 9:26 am : link
was Pedro similarly downgraded as he was coming up?

Definitely didn't follow the prospect rankings as closely then.

Just kind of wondering more philosophically what level of stuff gets you beyond frame concerns.
yes, Pedro was  
Greg from LI : 7/8/2019 9:29 am : link
The entire reason the Dodgers traded him to the Expos was because Tommy Lasorda thought that he would never hold up as a starting pitcher and was best suited as a reliever because of his small stature.
RE: yes, Pedro was  
Stu11 : 7/8/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14494305 Greg from LI said:
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The entire reason the Dodgers traded him to the Expos was because Tommy Lasorda thought that he would never hold up as a starting pitcher and was best suited as a reliever because of his small stature.

Yeah Greg is 100% right. Flash and Kenny were talking about it during the game yesterday. Also love Flash relaying that yesterday Pedro was in the lockeroom before the game doing the game for TBS and he came up to Flash to shake his hand and Flash said it was awkward because he still doesn't like Pedro for throwing at people so much. I loved it. Kenny was like "You may need to seek some help for that". So happy Kenny came back this season. He is great. I love his old Earl Weaver stories.
And if you go back a few decades more....  
Greg from LI : 7/8/2019 4:31 pm : link
The Yankees did the same thing with Ron Guidry in 1974-76. Even though he had pitched well as a starter in the minors through 1973, they forced him into a bullpen role because they thought he was too small to be a starter. He wasn't happy about it and almost decided to quit baseball in 1976. They didn't give him a shot in the rotation until 1977 when he was 26, and the rest is history.
RE: RE: Right and you are reacting as a fan  
section125 : 7/8/2019 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14494290 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14493960 UConn4523 said:


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not as a GM/Manager who has countless factors that go into each and every lineup. I couldnít tell you why he went with scalers, but do you think he just woke up and felt like it? And be mad at Valera for his fuckup, not Boone.

Iíve never been one to nitpick the day to day of baseball operations, seems utterly pointless. Iíll question/debate macro level moves like trading for Stanton, not making a big play for Machado/Harper, bringing back Happ, etc. but daily lineups is just a waste of time and isnít backed by any actual data that a fan could possess.



The fan reactions are strange because they seemingly act as if Boone single-handedly loses games while the team wins them. It was that way with Girardi and the snarky comments about binders.

When we lose yesterday, it isn't because there were some terrible at bats - it was because of the lineup. When we lose after the bullpen surrenders a lead, most of the comments complain that the starter was pulled or that Boone picked the wrong reliever.

To hear some people post on these threads, the Yankees are undefeated if it weren't for Boone's influence.


We are fans. We wouldn't be on BBI bitching if we weren't fans. Fans bitch and moan. Nobody would be here if it wasn't to talk about the game and complain about something. You compare your ideas with other fans. Sometimes you are right, lots of time (well many times) you are wrong. So people bitching about people bitching(really questioning and discussing) is just what fans do.


I really don't Cashman or Boone give a shit what we think.
It isn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/8/2019 6:50 pm : link
about Cashman or Boone caring - it is the incessant whining that is annoying as hell.

Anytime a reliever gives up a lead it is because Boone brought the guy in too soon. If the starter gives up the lead it is because Boone left the starter in too long.

I don't think being a fan and not wanting to sound like a complete jacknut have to be mutually exclusive.
RE: It isn't..  
section125 : 7/8/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14494742 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about Cashman or Boone caring - it is the incessant whining that is annoying as hell.

Anytime a reliever gives up a lead it is because Boone brought the guy in too soon. If the starter gives up the lead it is because Boone left the starter in too long.

I don't think being a fan and not wanting to sound like a complete jacknut have to be mutually exclusive.


Because someone thinks Boone fucked up doesn't make him/her a jacknut(repetitive posts throughout a thread probably does). Boone's pretty good at what he does(better than most give him credit for, including me but I'm coming around). He does take chances leaving guys in too long, but he needs to stretch guys out and let them work out of jams so they know how to do it. I think he is correct to rest players. Just wish he wouldn't take two or three prime movers out at the same time.
But in the end, fans complain about management and players.
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