NFT: Yankees at Rays GDT 7/7

In comment 14493960 UConn4523 said:

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not as a GM/Manager who has countless factors that go into each and every lineup. I couldn’t tell you why he went with scalers, but do you think he just woke up and felt like it? And be mad at Valera for his fuckup, not Boone. I’ve never been one to nitpick the day to day of baseball operations, seems utterly pointless. I’ll question/debate macro level moves like trading for Stanton, not making a big play for Machado/Harper, bringing back Happ, etc. but daily lineups is just a waste of time and isn’t backed by any actual data that a fan could possess.

The fan reactions are strange because they seemingly act as if Boone single-handedly loses games while the team wins them. It was that way with Girardi and the snarky comments about binders.

When we lose yesterday, it isn't because there were some terrible at bats - it was because of the lineup. When we lose after the bullpen surrenders a lead, most of the comments complain that the starter was pulled or that Boone picked the wrong reliever.

To hear some people post on these threads, the Yankees are undefeated if it weren't for Boone's influence.

In comment 14494246 NoGainDayne said:

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Other lists come out mid season right. Hard to believe he isn’t top 20 or top 30 with his stuff right now.

This came up in the last Kiley McDaniel chat and he said Garcia wasn't higher because of his size.

was Pedro similarly downgraded as he was coming up?

Definitely didn't follow the prospect rankings as closely then.

Just kind of wondering more philosophically what level of stuff gets you beyond frame concerns.

The entire reason the Dodgers traded him to the Expos was because Tommy Lasorda thought that he would never hold up as a starting pitcher and was best suited as a reliever because of his small stature.

In comment 14494305 Greg from LI said:

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The entire reason the Dodgers traded him to the Expos was because Tommy Lasorda thought that he would never hold up as a starting pitcher and was best suited as a reliever because of his small stature.

Yeah Greg is 100% right. Flash and Kenny were talking about it during the game yesterday. Also love Flash relaying that yesterday Pedro was in the lockeroom before the game doing the game for TBS and he came up to Flash to shake his hand and Flash said it was awkward because he still doesn't like Pedro for throwing at people so much. I loved it. Kenny was like "You may need to seek some help for that". So happy Kenny came back this season. He is great. I love his old Earl Weaver stories.

The Yankees did the same thing with Ron Guidry in 1974-76. Even though he had pitched well as a starter in the minors through 1973, they forced him into a bullpen role because they thought he was too small to be a starter. He wasn't happy about it and almost decided to quit baseball in 1976. They didn't give him a shot in the rotation until 1977 when he was 26, and the rest is history.

In comment 14494290 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 14493960 UConn4523 said: Quote: not as a GM/Manager who has countless factors that go into each and every lineup. I couldn’t tell you why he went with scalers, but do you think he just woke up and felt like it? And be mad at Valera for his fuckup, not Boone. I’ve never been one to nitpick the day to day of baseball operations, seems utterly pointless. I’ll question/debate macro level moves like trading for Stanton, not making a big play for Machado/Harper, bringing back Happ, etc. but daily lineups is just a waste of time and isn’t backed by any actual data that a fan could possess. The fan reactions are strange because they seemingly act as if Boone single-handedly loses games while the team wins them. It was that way with Girardi and the snarky comments about binders. When we lose yesterday, it isn't because there were some terrible at bats - it was because of the lineup. When we lose after the bullpen surrenders a lead, most of the comments complain that the starter was pulled or that Boone picked the wrong reliever. To hear some people post on these threads, the Yankees are undefeated if it weren't for Boone's influence.

We are fans. We wouldn't be on BBI bitching if we weren't fans. Fans bitch and moan. Nobody would be here if it wasn't to talk about the game and complain about something. You compare your ideas with other fans. Sometimes you are right, lots of time (well many times) you are wrong. So people bitching about people bitching(really questioning and discussing) is just what fans do.


I really don't Cashman or Boone give a shit what we think.

about Cashman or Boone caring - it is the incessant whining that is annoying as hell.

Anytime a reliever gives up a lead it is because Boone brought the guy in too soon. If the starter gives up the lead it is because Boone left the starter in too long.

I don't think being a fan and not wanting to sound like a complete jacknut have to be mutually exclusive.

In comment 14494742 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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about Cashman or Boone caring - it is the incessant whining that is annoying as hell. Anytime a reliever gives up a lead it is because Boone brought the guy in too soon. If the starter gives up the lead it is because Boone left the starter in too long. I don't think being a fan and not wanting to sound like a complete jacknut have to be mutually exclusive.

Because someone thinks Boone fucked up doesn't make him/her a jacknut(repetitive posts throughout a thread probably does). Boone's pretty good at what he does(better than most give him credit for, including me but I'm coming around). He does take chances leaving guys in too long, but he needs to stretch guys out and let them work out of jams so they know how to do it. I think he is correct to rest players. Just wish he wouldn't take two or three prime movers out at the same time.
But in the end, fans complain about management and players.