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NFT: Summer League: Knicks vs. Suns - 9:30 PM on ESPN

Anakim : 7/7/2019 6:54 pm
Hopefully RJ Barrett plays much better than he did Friday night
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Yeah, that was as ugly as it gets.  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 7:02 pm : link
I'm guessing he won't settle for as many jumpers tonight.
They also don’t call fouls  
Tuckrule : 7/7/2019 7:45 pm : link
In summer league. Some of those drives he had were def fouls
RE: Yeah, that was as ugly as it gets.  
Eli Wilson : 7/7/2019 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14493938 bceagle05 said:
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I'm guessing he won't settle for as many jumpers tonight.


Not sure he could play much worse, to be honest. Hopefully Knox and Trier continue to look good.
It is summer league so hard to do  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2019 8:03 pm : link
but with kadeem allen, trier and knox they are vets so to speak, i would have them try and get barrett some easy looks try to get him going then they look for theirs..
Barrett’s interview next day at practice  
Dave on the UWS : 7/7/2019 8:17 pm : link
he just sloughed it off as his shot not falling. He’s going to keep chucking.
He is a chucker if you take into account his college career.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/7/2019 8:27 pm : link
Last night was the worst possible outcome for a player like him. He can get to the basket at will with his size, just chucking shots is a bad habit.
No Trier tonight.  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 9:20 pm : link
Illness.
Other teenagers before him  
Dave on the UWS : 7/7/2019 9:27 pm : link
like Lebrun, Kobe and even Porzingas were successful early on due to their athletic ability. That’s not Barrett’s game. It will take him time to figure out the pro game, until then he will struggle.
RJ and Iggy look much more comfortable.  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 9:48 pm : link
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Brazdeikis has been very impressive so far  
Strahan91 : 7/7/2019 10:05 pm : link
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Iggy playing super confident  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 10:05 pm : link
hitting some Js, taking it to the rim, finishing w/ contact
Really trying not to overreact  
Jon in NYC : 7/7/2019 10:06 pm : link
but the 2nd straight game where I'm not seeing it from RJ. Slow decision making, poor defense, not turning the corner on guys to get to the rim.

Not great.
Iggy to Knox slashing in the paint. And 1  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 10:15 pm : link
Iggy seems to move without the ball nicely as well
Knox looks great.  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 10:17 pm : link
The scoring numbers were good last year in Summer League, but the percentages were not. Much more efficient this year.
RE: Really trying not to overreact  
Nine-Tails : 7/7/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14494056 Jon in NYC said:
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but the 2nd straight game where I'm not seeing it from RJ. Slow decision making, poor defense, not turning the corner on guys to get to the rim.

Not great.


My biggest fear with RJ is he becomes a one dimensional player like Wiggins, someone who scores, but is inefficient and poor defense. But, I still think he will be good player. He doesn’t have the elite athleticism and shooting to become a star imo,
RE: Knox looks great.  
Strahan91 : 7/7/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14494065 bceagle05 said:
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The scoring numbers were good last year in Summer League, but the percentages were not. Much more efficient this year.

His release seems different to my untrained eye. Just seems much smoother. Maybe he's just being more decisive but it's nice to see.
RE: Knox looks great.  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14494065 bceagle05 said:
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The scoring numbers were good last year in Summer League, but the percentages were not. Much more efficient this year.

On queue, KK for 3. Pretty shot. And again!

On the subject, there's a post / Berman article saying DSJ revamped the J this summer. We'll see, but that would be a great development for his game
Article is otherwise whatever  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 10:20 pm : link
but link

NYP Berman - ( New Window )
Iggy not athletic???  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 10:23 pm : link
That was a sweet dunk (shit D but still)
Knox,  
Jon in NYC : 7/7/2019 10:24 pm : link
Iggy, Mitch look awesome. Really want to see more from RJ.
Haha Poppa Iggy  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 10:26 pm : link
was an MMA fighter

Iggy & Tyler Cavanaugh w/ the big halves

Iggy 15 on 6-7, 2-2 from deep

Cavanaugh was active, 3-4 FG, 4-6 FTs
And Knox w/ 12  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 10:27 pm : link
4-7 & 3-3 from 3
Knox looks relaxed  
Oscar : 7/7/2019 10:33 pm : link
Really need him to make a big step up this season he looked awful last year.
Not trying to overreact  
GMEN46 : 7/7/2019 10:41 pm : link
But it’s two games and the lack of athleticism and general speed/quickness by Barrett is concerning. These are not traits that improve.
RE: Not trying to overreact  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2019 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14494100 GMEN46 said:
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But it’s two games and the lack of athleticism and general speed/quickness by Barrett is concerning. These are not traits that improve.


they are going through two a days, every shot is short, his legs could be a little dead as well..

plus you can tell he is trying to hard, he is starting to aim shots
Who needs KP when you have Iggy?  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 10:49 pm : link
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RE: Not trying to overreact  
DCOrange : 7/7/2019 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14494100 GMEN46 said:
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But it’s two games and the lack of athleticism and general speed/quickness by Barrett is concerning. These are not traits that improve.


So in the month since just about every team in the league having Barrett in the top three - hands down after watching him in college and in workouts - he now is unathletic and slow and will never get better? How do you think that he was able to fool so many people - seeing him play in person - into thinking he wasn't slow and unathletic? Appears he might have pulled off the biggest con since Redford and Newman in The Sting.
He just changed his shooting motion  
Strahan91 : 7/7/2019 10:50 pm : link
which I’d imagine would take some time to get right. He’s clearly pressing and isn’t sure what to do off-ball + seems to be overthinking what he should do when he drives. Certainly a cause for concern but hopefully with coaching and time he’ll be fine. It’s still only summer league, it’s not like we haven’t seen good players struggle before in their first few SL games!
I get goosebumps  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 10:53 pm : link
when Knox makes the extra pass.
I hate these split screens when they interview someone.  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 10:58 pm : link
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RE: I hate these split screens when they interview someone.  
ChaChing : 7/7/2019 11:03 pm : link
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Yup. Not sure why we need to watch the coach or whoever talking, w/ all the extra graphics making the game smaller. They should just say 'voice of' and cut back on dead balls if anything
Guys you can tell who is athletic  
GMEN46 : 7/7/2019 11:09 pm : link
And who is not by watching one game. The guy is slow footed and very average athleticism. I remember being psyched watching Knox and Mitch last year because of the athleticism. I am sure he will be fine, but I did not watch a ton of college this year and I thought we were getting a super athlete, I guess I am just surprised. Still can be a good player just not what I was expecting. If I was going to really overreact here would be my analysis In 2 games he has shown the following he can’t finish around the rim, he can’t make free throws, he can’t shoot threes, his passing is terrible, he turns the ball over a lot. The o my positive I have seen is he can rebound. The best thing Doris could say about him is that he looks more relaxed, yikes. Honestly the best way to describe after two games is even though he is 19 he looks like an old man on the court.
Mitch is a beast, Knox looks good,  
81_Great_Dane : 7/7/2019 11:10 pm : link
Iggy appears ahead of schedule...

... and I'm deciding it's too soon to to be worried about RJ Barrett. Though he has given us some things to worry about.
Robinson has to stop going after every block  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2019 11:12 pm : link
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Holy  
Jon in NYC : 7/7/2019 11:14 pm : link
fuck RJ what are you doing.
Morant  
GMEN46 : 7/7/2019 11:14 pm : link
I apologize to all of the guys who hated in Barrett and wanted Morant badly.
3 of their 5 regualr starters  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2019 11:15 pm : link
cant even win a summer league game haha
I’m sorry I’m ready to overreact after saying I wouldn’t  
GMEN46 : 7/7/2019 11:17 pm : link
This has to be the worst summer league start for any top 3 guy ever. Especially for a guy who was projected to be #1.
RE: Guys you can tell who is athletic  
NYDCBlue : 7/7/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14494147 GMEN46 said:
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And who is not by watching one game. The guy is slow footed and very average athleticism. I remember being psyched watching Knox and Mitch last year because of the athleticism. I am sure he will be fine, but I did not watch a ton of college this year and I thought we were getting a super athlete, I guess I am just surprised. Still can be a good player just not what I was expecting. If I was going to really overreact here would be my analysis In 2 games he has shown the following he can’t finish around the rim, he can’t make free throws, he can’t shoot threes, his passing is terrible, he turns the ball over a lot. The o my positive I have seen is he can rebound. The best thing Doris could say about him is that he looks more relaxed, yikes. Honestly the best way to describe after two games is even though he is 19 he looks like an old man on the court.


He looked unathletic in all his Duke highlight videos. I despise Duke, so I never watched him play, but I watched his highlights and wanted no part of him. Big bust potential.
Anyone wanna trade for Westbrook yet?  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 11:18 pm : link
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Barrett has been able to get to the rim (but not finish),  
81_Great_Dane : 7/7/2019 11:19 pm : link
draw fouls (but miss his free throws), and get open for 3-pointers (but not hit them). But like I said, I'm not worrying about him yet. He looks like a young rookie — but he is a young rookie. I was just hoping he'd be more advanced.
RE: RE: Guys you can tell who is athletic  
NYDCBlue : 7/7/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14494160 NYDCBlue said:
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And who is not by watching one game. The guy is slow footed and very average athleticism. I remember being psyched watching Knox and Mitch last year because of the athleticism. I am sure he will be fine, but I did not watch a ton of college this year and I thought we were getting a super athlete, I guess I am just surprised. Still can be a good player just not what I was expecting. If I was going to really overreact here would be my analysis In 2 games he has shown the following he can’t finish around the rim, he can’t make free throws, he can’t shoot threes, his passing is terrible, he turns the ball over a lot. The o my positive I have seen is he can rebound. The best thing Doris could say about him is that he looks more relaxed, yikes. Honestly the best way to describe after two games is even though he is 19 he looks like an old man on the court.



He looked unathletic in all his Duke highlight videos. I despise Duke, so I never watched him play, but I watched his highlights and wanted no part of him. Big bust potential.


I will give him this much. He looks much bigger than I expected. If he flames out as a guard, he may be able to play as a small forward.
I mean it's still too early to overreact, but you have to be a little  
Anakim : 7/7/2019 11:20 pm : link
alarmed, right?

And this is who Barrett has always been. "But he set the ACC record for most points from a freshman." Well yeah, because he was taking like 30 shots every game. If he used more of his vision to pass it out instead of playing hero ball all the fucking time...
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/7/2019 11:20 pm : link
well this was unexpected - a bunch of BBI'ers already writing off Barrett, and acting like the overreaction is warranted.

As predictable as the day is long.
Kadeem Allen looks worse than RJ.  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2019 11:21 pm : link
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RE: Kadeem Allen looks worse than RJ.  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2019 11:22 pm : link
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for a 25 year old he is getting schooled...
RE: Anyone wanna trade for Westbrook yet?  
Anakim : 7/7/2019 11:22 pm : link
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And pay him 45M a year? No thanks.
Guys his is the third pick  
GMEN46 : 7/7/2019 11:23 pm : link
Of the draft, he is looks awful. I’m fine with missed shots, if they are good form and online. His shots aren’t even close
On the other hand, there's Iggy.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/7/2019 11:23 pm : link
Please let him be a steal...
RE: Guys his is the third pick  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14494170 GMEN46 said:
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Of the draft, he is looks awful. I’m fine with missed shots, if they are good form and online. His shots aren’t even close


It is summer league..
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