Of the draft, he is looks awful. I’m fine with missed shots, if they are good form and online. His shots aren’t even close
To be fair, he's working on changing his shot. If you do that, your shot is going to suck until you've mastered the changes. That should improve. So should the free throws. I'd like to see him finish, though.
RJ doesn’t. Honestly, I’m tired of every player we bring in having to transform his shooting mechanics to possibly reach average levels. Why not just find good shooters?
I have no reason to believe barrett won't come around but I was really hoping to see him show something these first couple games. The Iggy kid looks like he'll be fun to watch. The backup center too.
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But I couldn't name you one guy on the Suns Summer League team. They weren't even playing their drafted rookies.
summer league is perfect for scrubs, it is a glorified pick up game..
Except you'd think that NBA players like Knox, Mitch, and Allen, and the #3 overall pick RJ Barrett would be able to run over that team.
why? the other players on the team are not going to defer to them, ifnit was a regular season game and they were your best players they would take the most shots..
in summer league you got guys trying to get noticed and it tskes away from everyone else..
The offense should have run through knox but he doesnt touch possession aftrr possession..
he gets his hands on the ball. It's like Al Harrington-esque. If you're driving and you're swallowed up by bigger guys, kick it out.
Honestly, that's one of the main differences between Barrett and a guy like Luka Doncic. Neither guy is a supreme athlete or an excellent shooter, but Doncic has the basketball IQ to pass it instead of taking contested shots...I mean Doncic does that too, but he can also bury them.
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they would of run pick and roll with knox and mitch every single possession
? Look at the playing time. Knox, Mitch, Braz, Allen and Barrett played the majority of the minutes. Those guys will be on the roster in October.
i get that but when the scrubs come in they just jack up shots...
Also rj looks like he is trying to wait his turn there is no flow to the offense so when he finally shoots he is cold...
Man, the overreactions and then the excuses in response is nauseating. The man just has two awful games probably the first time in his life, happens to everyone. Lets see how he responds
I find Barrett's subpar athletic ability most concerning Â
I'm not overly concerned with missing shots in summer league. However his lack of explosion and inability to get separation should create some anxiety. He's not playing against NBA defenders and is still struggling with this. That's not going to suddenly improve against NBA talent, some of which will be elite NBA talent.
The NBA is going to have bigger more athletic defenders than he faced in college or the summer league. If he can't break people down with his dribble and lacks the athletic ability to blow past them instead...it's danger territory.
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watch him in college. Look at his game against Virginia. 30 points NONE of which happened because of quickness or athleticism. At 18, it’s going to take him probably a good long while to figure out his game in the NBA environment. We all would like the #3 pick to be putting on a show from the get go, but only the superior athletes have done that. He’s got a lot to learn his path to stardom is do everything at a high level and hit the big shot to win games. He’s a hard worker that’s what’s important. Nothing he does in summer league means squat.
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haven’t watched him. But I’m a little scared too now.
I think from the comments / box scores he’s clearly pressing.
We don’t want a chucker no one does. He can pass. Hopefully this is a wake up call.
It’s not ideal that a team with 3 projected starters can’t do better than this in summer league.
I don’t mind sucking this year at all again. Definitely need more talent.
If we play the guys on short term contacts and end up picking like 10ish and Zinger looks like an uninjured star it is going to be unbelievably frustrating.
I don’t really mind that we missed out on an injured Durant and Kyrie. But seeing how this offseason played out. Not even going through with the Kawhi deal to sign a pu pu platter of limited upside guys.
This has the potential to be one of the most nauseating sports seasons for a team I have nothing but the lowest expectations for.
Our tolerance is at an all-time low, and it's understandable.
Not just the fans. The NY media is going to relish any opportunity to try to tear down Barrett’s career before it hardly has a chance to start. Kid better show some flashes or it’s going to get ugly.
Not to mention guys who just take a year or two to develop.
The sick thing is that if Barrett came out guns blazing, the same people would be poopooing it because Knox did that last year and then struggled in the regular season.
Can we just fucking relax? We're still mid rebuild. RJ is 19. He's far from a finished product and his finesse game makes sense to be a slower build.
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but again its summer league. He looks to be moving slow out there and that can be partially due to hesitation and not just the lack of athleticism. He is def forcing and just looks uncomfortable out there.
Iggy was a beast, not sure what his upside is, but he is fun at least.
Kadeem allen is a bum. Really dont want to see him on the team. They should have made Frank come back, lol.
but he still needs to be more aggressive. Like put the team on your back and carry them. Its summer league and he should do that but he goes through stretches where he just seems to go invincible. That said you can see the skill and upside with him. He can obviously stroke as shown from the last couple months of the season. And he is big and long enough to get to the rim, he just needs to do that more often so he learns to stay in control and not get all out of whack when the real games start and he is playing against better rim protectors.
he made some nice passes just did not lead to assists, you could see he is hesitant, it looksike he is ready to make a move and then he stops...he is used to getting the ball and being the focal point, it will be an adjustment..
Robinson needs to learn to stop going flr every block, you cant block anything and he is getting himself out of position..
but again its summer league. He looks to be moving slow out there and that can be partially due to hesitation and not just the lack of athleticism. He is def forcing and just looks uncomfortable out there.
Iggy was a beast, not sure what his upside is, but he is fun at least.
Kadeem allen is a bum. Really dont want to see him on the team. They should have made Frank come back, lol.
iggy looks like the type that other teams will hate...
read their takes. RJ has said it many if not uncountable times that he has worked very hard to get where he's at, meaning his game is predicated on reps. Learning by doing. Performing in a chaotic place like the summer league wont lend itself towards anything that will translate to the future.
He killed my Terps a few times and he is exactly that kind of guy that if he's playing against you he'll drive you nuts. He's still a kid so He'll have to develop in the NBA game but he's precisely the kind of guy you hate when he's playing against you and relishes the roll. Perfect 2nd rounder who can develop. The reactions to Barrett are comical at this point. Go back and look at his game logs when Zion played he was shooting like 15-18 shots a game. He'll be fine. I mean 2 summer league games? Holy overreactions bat man!
watch him in college. Look at his game against Virginia. 30 points NONE of which happened because of quickness or athleticism.
Well, since you're bringing it up....for most of that game, we had Ty Jerome on Barrett because Dre Hunter was on Zion. I love Ty Jerome, but he is two inches shorter than Barrett and not as quick. Barrett's an average NBA athlete, Ty is a below average NBA athlete. Ty couldn't handle him in the paint because he's smaller and slower - he was drafted for his elite shooting and playmaking, despite his lack of quickness. Not exactly a stirring testament to Barrett's athleticism.
But in actual NBA games, he will stand out as a massive defensive liability. He's slow as molasses and can't guard anyone with average NBA athleticism.
i mean most arent even playing but the ones playing arent doing well. Coby White has played ok i guess. Zion was 4-9 in his one half on like all dunks. Hunter stunk in his debut (guess he is a bum), Rui was ehh. I mean i agree the second straight dud scares me, but there is literally not a lottery pick playing well in summer league yet. These guys have a ton of pressure on them and they are playing their first "pro" ball.
I understand they had to wait for Kawhi, but it feels like they screwed up free agency again. Aside from Danny Green, not a lot of those guys fit and they are woefully thin. I would have thought they could have gotten better players and better fits with that cap space.
is that a few posters have already declared 19 year old Barrett a bust after two summer league games. I didn't even make it a quarter of the way through the thread before I gave up.
Yes, but Barrett, FWIW, is more than a year younger than Braz
There are plenty that were on par if not worse. Recency bias.
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This has to be the worst summer league start for any top 3 guy ever. Especially for a guy who was projected to be #1.
There are plenty that were on par if not worse. Recency bias.
Worse? He just followed a 4-18 game with a 3-15 game and has 8 turnovers.
Haven't seen worse than that.
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This has to be the worst summer league start for any top 3 guy ever. Especially for a guy who was projected to be #1.
There are plenty that were on par if not worse. Recency bias.
Worse? He just followed a 4-18 game with a 3-15 game and has 8 turnovers.
Haven't seen worse than that.
kevin durant 12 points 5 for 15 1 rebound 1 assist
Worse? He just followed a 4-18 game with a 3-15 game and has 8 turnovers.
Haven't seen worse than that.
kevin durant 12 points 5 for 15 1 rebound 1 assist
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This has to be the worst summer league start for any top 3 guy ever. Especially for a guy who was projected to be #1.
There are plenty that were on par if not worse. Recency bias.
Worse? He just followed a 4-18 game with a 3-15 game and has 8 turnovers.
Haven't seen worse than that.
Barrett has more turnovers (10) than made FG’s and assists combined (9)
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This has to be the worst summer league start for any top 3 guy ever. Especially for a guy who was projected to be #1.
There are plenty that were on par if not worse. Recency bias.
Worse? He just followed a 4-18 game with a 3-15 game and has 8 turnovers.
Haven't seen worse than that.
kevin durant 12 points 5 for 15 1 rebound 1 assist
Almost as bad. Not worse.
2. fixing his shot, always gets worse before it gets better..
3. there is no flow in summer league games, hard to get into a rhythm, at duke he always had the ball in his hands..
4. they are doing 2 a days every day, could have some tired legs..
summer league is perfect for scrubs, it is a glorified pick up game..
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But I couldn't name you one guy on the Suns Summer League team. They weren't even playing their drafted rookies.
summer league is perfect for scrubs, it is a glorified pick up game..
Except you'd think that NBA players like Knox, Mitch, and Allen, and the #3 overall pick RJ Barrett would be able to run over that team.
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But I couldn't name you one guy on the Suns Summer League team. They weren't even playing their drafted rookies.
summer league is perfect for scrubs, it is a glorified pick up game..
Except you'd think that NBA players like Knox, Mitch, and Allen, and the #3 overall pick RJ Barrett would be able to run over that team.
why? the other players on the team are not going to defer to them, ifnit was a regular season game and they were your best players they would take the most shots..
in summer league you got guys trying to get noticed and it tskes away from everyone else..
The offense should have run through knox but he doesnt touch possession aftrr possession..
summer league is very hard to watch
? Look at the playing time. Knox, Mitch, Braz, Allen and Barrett played the majority of the minutes. Those guys will be on the roster in October.
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they would of run pick and roll with knox and mitch every single possession
? Look at the playing time. Knox, Mitch, Braz, Allen and Barrett played the majority of the minutes. Those guys will be on the roster in October.
i get that but when the scrubs come in they just jack up shots...
Also rj looks like he is trying to wait his turn there is no flow to the offense so when he finally shoots he is cold...
Honestly, that's one of the main differences between Barrett and a guy like Luka Doncic. Neither guy is a supreme athlete or an excellent shooter, but Doncic has the basketball IQ to pass it instead of taking contested shots...I mean Doncic does that too, but he can also bury them.
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they would of run pick and roll with knox and mitch every single possession
? Look at the playing time. Knox, Mitch, Braz, Allen and Barrett played the majority of the minutes. Those guys will be on the roster in October.
i get that but when the scrubs come in they just jack up shots...
Also rj looks like he is trying to wait his turn there is no flow to the offense so when he finally shoots he is cold...
Man, the overreactions and then the excuses in response is nauseating. The man just has two awful games probably the first time in his life, happens to everyone. Lets see how he responds
The NBA is going to have bigger more athletic defenders than he faced in college or the summer league. If he can't break people down with his dribble and lacks the athletic ability to blow past them instead...it's danger territory.
I think from the comments / box scores he’s clearly pressing.
We don’t want a chucker no one does. He can pass. Hopefully this is a wake up call.
It’s not ideal that a team with 3 projected starters can’t do better than this in summer league.
I don’t mind sucking this year at all again. Definitely need more talent.
If we play the guys on short term contacts and end up picking like 10ish and Zinger looks like an uninjured star it is going to be unbelievably frustrating.
I don’t really mind that we missed out on an injured Durant and Kyrie. But seeing how this offseason played out. Not even going through with the Kawhi deal to sign a pu pu platter of limited upside guys.
This has the potential to be one of the most nauseating sports seasons for a team I have nothing but the lowest expectations for.
Not to mention guys who just take a year or two to develop.
The sick thing is that if Barrett came out guns blazing, the same people would be poopooing it because Knox did that last year and then struggled in the regular season.
Can we just fucking relax? We're still mid rebuild. RJ is 19. He's far from a finished product and his finesse game makes sense to be a slower build.
Just wait until KP is averaging 25/10....
I get it’s summer league but Barrett’s lack of explosion/speed/quickness and inability to attack the rim is concerning.
Iggy was a beast, not sure what his upside is, but he is fun at least.
Kadeem allen is a bum. Really dont want to see him on the team. They should have made Frank come back, lol.
Robinson needs to learn to stop going flr every block, you cant block anything and he is getting himself out of position..
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Iggy was a beast, not sure what his upside is, but he is fun at least.
Kadeem allen is a bum. Really dont want to see him on the team. They should have made Frank come back, lol.
iggy looks like the type that other teams will hate...
Well, since you're bringing it up....for most of that game, we had Ty Jerome on Barrett because Dre Hunter was on Zion. I love Ty Jerome, but he is two inches shorter than Barrett and not as quick. Barrett's an average NBA athlete, Ty is a below average NBA athlete. Ty couldn't handle him in the paint because he's smaller and slower - he was drafted for his elite shooting and playmaking, despite his lack of quickness. Not exactly a stirring testament to Barrett's athleticism.