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superspynyg : 7/8/2019 1:08 pm
Remember to answer the op first before you hijack the thread.

After the fab 4 rbs rate these next 5 for both ppr and non ppr
Bell
Gordon
Conner
DJ
Gurley

Mine
Bell
Gordon
Gurley
DJ
Connor

Only reason Gurley is 3 is his knee and his questionable work load. DJ is 4th since he has a new offense and a rookie Qb. Plus AZ line was fugly last year.
Mine  
giants#1 : 7/8/2019 1:14 pm : link
DJ - a year removed from the injury, better offense, explosive player at QB drawing attention
Gordon
Conner
Bell - new offense, long layoff, weaker OL than he's had in the past that isn't used to his (unique) style
Gurley - wouldn't be surprised to see him up with the top 4 in PPG early on, but I don't trust his knee holding up all season. Too much risk for a premium pick (IMO)
Mine  
Young Elijah : 7/8/2019 1:15 pm : link
Bell
DJ
Gordon
Connor
Gurley

DJ will be fine - I think he takes the role of a TE with a rookie QB and will be the outlet in the air raid offense.

No way I'm taking Gurley before anyone else you listed, my first round picks are always based on minimizing risk - the quickest way to a failed season is not getting value out of your top pick.
I'd say  
uncledave : 7/8/2019 1:39 pm : link
Gordon
Connor
DJ
Bell
Gurley
Can't believe it's really almost here!  
allstarjim : 7/8/2019 1:43 pm : link
Time to get your fantasy players to reserve draft day on the calendars.
Anyhow... good topic. I'm not sure I have those 5 as the next group of 4.

Bell
Gordon
Conner
DJ
Gurley

At any rate, out of this group, I definitely have DJ #1, Gordon #2, in both PPR and Standard formats.

Obviously, Bell could be a top 3 RB in PPR this season. But he is too combustible for my tastes. I have no trust in him that he will be a good soldier with the Jets, or that he will give them his fullest now that he's been paid.

Nevertheless, out of this group, based on upside I probably have him 3rd, with Conner 4th, and Gurley 5th.

But if you give me the field, after the top 4, I think I'd have Chubb, Mixon, Michel, and Dalvin Cook in the conversation.

In standard I believe Chubb could have a huge year. Joe Mixon just needs to get the ball a little more to have some big numbers. I'm convinced that Lil' Bill is going to have Michel be a focal point of his offense this year with Gronk gone.

So if we are talking standard, and I make my own list after the top 4, I think I'd have Chubb all the way up there right behind DJ and Gordon, then Mixon, then probably Bell.
My ratings  
pjcas18 : 7/8/2019 2:03 pm : link
and Bell is a massive wild card IMO. New offense, 1 year off, got paid, injury prone to an extent, multiple suspensions, he's just a risk who if he falls to me in a value spot I'll take him, but I'm not seeking him out (right or wrong, a lot of risk, upside sure, but risk).

Gordon
Conner
Gurley
Bell
DJ
if I may hijack the thread for a moment superspy  
pjcas18 : 7/8/2019 2:12 pm : link
keeper question.

my league we keep 2 players and we lose draft round for the 1st time we keep them and then the round divides in half each subsequent year until you reach a 1st, but you can keep players forever.

My keeper options:
Beckham (2nd)
M. Thomas (3rd)
Chubb (8th)
D. Cook (2nd)
Kerryon Johnson (8th)
Golladay (11th)
Mixon (2nd)
Jerrick McKinnon (8th)

waiver wire players cost an 8th.

PPR league

So, Michael Thomas with a 3rd is a no-brainer, but who is the other keeper?

Chubb in the 8th seems to stand out, but let Beckham in the 2nd go?

Mixon in the 2nd?

Dalvin Cook in the 2nd?

Anyone have a suggestion>
RE: I'd say  
eric2425ny : 7/8/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14494545 uncledave said:
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Gordon
Connor
DJ
Bell
Gurley


+1, safe ranking that is production based and takes into account familiarity with the respective offenses. Not sure that Bell will be as good without that Steelers line. His “patience” to hit the hole wouldn’t work well on most teams. Gurley to me is the ultimate gamble this year. I can imagine a lot of leagues where he slips to round 2 and someone potentially nabs a steal and league winner.
RE: if I may hijack the thread for a moment superspy  
eric2425ny : 7/8/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14494582 pjcas18 said:
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keeper question.

my league we keep 2 players and we lose draft round for the 1st time we keep them and then the round divides in half each subsequent year until you reach a 1st, but you can keep players forever.

My keeper options:
Beckham (2nd)
M. Thomas (3rd)
Chubb (8th)
D. Cook (2nd)
Kerryon Johnson (8th)
Golladay (11th)
Mixon (2nd)
Jerrick McKinnon (8th)

waiver wire players cost an 8th.

PPR league

So, Michael Thomas with a 3rd is a no-brainer, but who is the other keeper?

Chubb in the 8th seems to stand out, but let Beckham in the 2nd go?

Mixon in the 2nd?

Dalvin Cook in the 2nd?

Anyone have a suggestion>


Chubb or Kerryon. Great values for guys that are going to get a lot of carries. Especially Kerryon. The Lions have made it clear they want to go run first this year with their selection of Hockenson. Kerryon is going to get a lot of reps in that offense. The other backs are more of the third down variety.
My only concerns  
pjcas18 : 7/8/2019 2:47 pm : link
keeping Kerryon Johnson or Chubb are their backups.

The Lions signed CJ Anderson and he looked really good at times with the Rams.

Chubb should be fine until Hunt returns from suspension and then Kareem Hunt threatens him.

RE: My only concerns  
eric2425ny : 7/8/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14494603 pjcas18 said:
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keeping Kerryon Johnson or Chubb are their backups.

The Lions signed CJ Anderson and he looked really good at times with the Rams.

Chubb should be fine until Hunt returns from suspension and then Kareem Hunt threatens him.


Agreed on both. I feel like CJ was kind of an anomaly though last year. Not an expert, just a gut feeling because he hadn’t looked that great the prior few years. Agree on Hunt, he could start eating into Chubb’s production later in the season.
RE: if I may hijack the thread for a moment superspy  
uncledave : 7/8/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14494582 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
keeper question.

my league we keep 2 players and we lose draft round for the 1st time we keep them and then the round divides in half each subsequent year until you reach a 1st, but you can keep players forever.

My keeper options:
Beckham (2nd)
M. Thomas (3rd)
Chubb (8th)
D. Cook (2nd)
Kerryon Johnson (8th)
Golladay (11th)
Mixon (2nd)
Jerrick McKinnon (8th)

waiver wire players cost an 8th.

PPR league

So, Michael Thomas with a 3rd is a no-brainer, but who is the other keeper?

Chubb in the 8th seems to stand out, but let Beckham in the 2nd go?

Mixon in the 2nd?

Dalvin Cook in the 2nd?

Anyone have a suggestion>


PPR league I'd go with Golladay. Has the most return value given he's an 11th rounder in your format. They have Marv Jones, Kearse and Amendola behind that... From what I hear Kenny is due to erupt this season. I'm more of a high risk high reward guy. Not to mention RBs get hurt more than WR.
Who are you looking to overdraft?  
dep026 : 7/8/2019 4:50 pm : link
Here are a few of my guys I am targeting if it means drafting too early.


Sterling Shepard
Rashard Penny
Anthony Miller
Chris Herndon (tight end)
Cartland Sutton
RE: Who are you looking to overdraft?  
pjcas18 : 7/8/2019 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14494682 dep026 said:
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Here are a few of my guys I am targeting if it means drafting too early.


Sterling Shepard
Rashard Penny
Anthony Miller
Chris Herndon (tight end)
Cartland Sutton


I like Sutton and Penny a lot.
RE: if I may hijack the thread for a moment superspy  
superspynyg : 7/8/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14494582 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
keeper question.

my league we keep 2 players and we lose draft round for the 1st time we keep them and then the round divides in half each subsequent year until you reach a 1st, but you can keep players forever.

My keeper options:
Beckham (2nd)
M. Thomas (3rd)
Chubb (8th)
D. Cook (2nd)
Kerryon Johnson (8th)
Golladay (11th)
Mixon (2nd)
Jerrick McKinnon (8th)

waiver wire players cost an 8th.

PPR league

So, Michael Thomas with a 3rd is a no-brainer, but who is the other keeper?

Chubb in the 8th seems to stand out, but let Beckham in the 2nd go?

Mixon in the 2nd?

Dalvin Cook in the 2nd?

Anyone have a suggestion>


You answered the op first so you are good
RE: RE: if I may hijack the thread for a moment superspy  
superspynyg : 7/8/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14494709 superspynyg said:
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In comment 14494582 pjcas18 said:


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keeper question.

my league we keep 2 players and we lose draft round for the 1st time we keep them and then the round divides in half each subsequent year until you reach a 1st, but you can keep players forever.

My keeper options:
Beckham (2nd)
M. Thomas (3rd)
Chubb (8th)
D. Cook (2nd)
Kerryon Johnson (8th)
Golladay (11th)
Mixon (2nd)
Jerrick McKinnon (8th)

waiver wire players cost an 8th.

PPR league

So, Michael Thomas with a 3rd is a no-brainer, but who is the other keeper?

Chubb in the 8th seems to stand out, but let Beckham in the 2nd go?

Mixon in the 2nd?

Dalvin Cook in the 2nd?

Anyone have a suggestion>



You answered the op first so you are good


Keep Chubb.
PPR  
beatrixkiddo : 7/8/2019 6:07 pm : link
I’m not sure who to select as my Keeper.

Ingram 5th
Golladay (7th)
Godwin (9th)

Wish I could keep Barkley but at least I got to use him his rookie year.
Just to be clear  
Leg of Theismann : 7/8/2019 6:24 pm : link
Who are you "Fab 4"? I'm assuming Barkley, Zeke, McCaffrey, Kamara?

I would also say don't sleep on Joe Mixon and Damien Williams either. Luckily I have Damien Williams as a 7th round keeper this year, I think his production is going to be top 5. He's going to be the top back in a KC offense that no longer has Hill and he shined when given the little opportunity he had end of last season.
Yes they are my top 4  
superspynyg : 7/8/2019 7:41 pm : link
Nixon is just looking in after the next set.
RE: Just to be clear  
SimpleMan : 7/8/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14494728 Leg of Theismann said:
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Who are you "Fab 4"? I'm assuming Barkley, Zeke, McCaffrey, Kamara?

I would also say don't sleep on Joe Mixon and Damien Williams either. Luckily I have Damien Williams as a 7th round keeper this year, I think his production is going to be top 5. He's going to be the top back in a KC offense that no longer has Hill and he shined when given the little opportunity he had end of last season.


I've had Mixon the past two seasons. I think he is a really good RB stuck on a bad offense. There are a lot of games where the game flow/script does not go his way. There are a lot of games where the Bengals have to completely abandon the run because they are getting destroyed. The Bengals just also lost their first round pick and projected starting left tackle for the season, a big hit on an already pretty bad o line. Buyer beware with Mixon.
RE: RE: Just to be clear  
allstarjim : 7/9/2019 12:12 am : link
In comment 14494775 SimpleMan said:
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In comment 14494728 Leg of Theismann said:


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Who are you "Fab 4"? I'm assuming Barkley, Zeke, McCaffrey, Kamara?

I would also say don't sleep on Joe Mixon and Damien Williams either. Luckily I have Damien Williams as a 7th round keeper this year, I think his production is going to be top 5. He's going to be the top back in a KC offense that no longer has Hill and he shined when given the little opportunity he had end of last season.



I've had Mixon the past two seasons. I think he is a really good RB stuck on a bad offense. There are a lot of games where the game flow/script does not go his way. There are a lot of games where the Bengals have to completely abandon the run because they are getting destroyed. The Bengals just also lost their first round pick and projected starting left tackle for the season, a big hit on an already pretty bad o line. Buyer beware with Mixon.


I agree with this. Mixon's talent is tremendous but really tough to trust that Bengal offense.

I want to go back to Chubb, though. I'm not at all worried about Hunt. For one, anything at all could happen with Hunt. But he's suspended for 8 games. That's an eternity in fantasy and he isn't going to supplant Chubb as the starter when he returns, that just isn't going to happen, and Chubb is highly likely to get all the goal line work. If Hunt really works himself into the game plan late in the season, by that time you should have a reliable waiver wire pick up to support your roster. I think it's smart to go with a monster for 8 weeks and then adjust as you need to.

I'm very high on Chubb this year, I won't hesitate to burn a first round pick on him in standard formats. He's just so talented and that offense should explode this season.
RE: if I may hijack the thread for a moment superspy  
YAJ2112 : 7/9/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14494582 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
keeper question.

my league we keep 2 players and we lose draft round for the 1st time we keep them and then the round divides in half each subsequent year until you reach a 1st, but you can keep players forever.

My keeper options:
Beckham (2nd)
M. Thomas (3rd)
Chubb (8th)
D. Cook (2nd)
Kerryon Johnson (8th)
Golladay (11th)
Mixon (2nd)
Jerrick McKinnon (8th)

waiver wire players cost an 8th.

PPR league

So, Michael Thomas with a 3rd is a no-brainer, but who is the other keeper?

Chubb in the 8th seems to stand out, but let Beckham in the 2nd go?

Mixon in the 2nd?

Dalvin Cook in the 2nd?

Anyone have a suggestion>


Easily Thomas and Chubb for me.
Thomas and Chubb for sure  
UConn4523 : 7/9/2019 10:23 am : link
and you still get your premium 1st and 2nd rounders.

as for the OP I'm going Gordon, DJ, Bell, Connor, Gurley (i just hate taking players with questionable health in the 1st).
RE: if I may hijack the thread for a moment superspy  
WillVAB : 7/9/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14494582 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
keeper question.

my league we keep 2 players and we lose draft round for the 1st time we keep them and then the round divides in half each subsequent year until you reach a 1st, but you can keep players forever.

My keeper options:
Beckham (2nd)
M. Thomas (3rd)
Chubb (8th)
D. Cook (2nd)
Kerryon Johnson (8th)
Golladay (11th)
Mixon (2nd)
Jerrick McKinnon (8th)

waiver wire players cost an 8th.

PPR league

So, Michael Thomas with a 3rd is a no-brainer, but who is the other keeper?

Chubb in the 8th seems to stand out, but let Beckham in the 2nd go?

Mixon in the 2nd?

Dalvin Cook in the 2nd?

Anyone have a suggestion>


How many players in your league? Is the draft order set?

The goal should be to get max value from your keepers, which appears to be Thomas/Chubb. I’m not sure how I feel about Chubb but my gut tells me he’s a little overhyped heading into the season. Keeping Thomas/Chubb would be the standard play and no one would fault you for it.

I think there’s merit to keeping Thomas/Beckham even if they don’t look like the best value on paper now. At a minimum you’re getting neutral value in two guys with monster upside. If you have a feel for who the rest of the league is keeping, maybe you end w a RB like Bell with your first rounder. That’s not a bad start to the draft.
RE: RE: if I may hijack the thread for a moment superspy  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2019 8:05 am : link
In comment 14495600 WillVAB said:
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In comment 14494582 pjcas18 said:


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keeper question.

my league we keep 2 players and we lose draft round for the 1st time we keep them and then the round divides in half each subsequent year until you reach a 1st, but you can keep players forever.

My keeper options:
Beckham (2nd)
M. Thomas (3rd)
Chubb (8th)
D. Cook (2nd)
Kerryon Johnson (8th)
Golladay (11th)
Mixon (2nd)
Jerrick McKinnon (8th)

waiver wire players cost an 8th.

PPR league

So, Michael Thomas with a 3rd is a no-brainer, but who is the other keeper?

Chubb in the 8th seems to stand out, but let Beckham in the 2nd go?

Mixon in the 2nd?

Dalvin Cook in the 2nd?

Anyone have a suggestion>



How many players in your league? Is the draft order set?

The goal should be to get max value from your keepers, which appears to be Thomas/Chubb. I’m not sure how I feel about Chubb but my gut tells me he’s a little overhyped heading into the season. Keeping Thomas/Chubb would be the standard play and no one would fault you for it.

I think there’s merit to keeping Thomas/Beckham even if they don’t look like the best value on paper now. At a minimum you’re getting neutral value in two guys with monster upside. If you have a feel for who the rest of the league is keeping, maybe you end w a RB like Bell with your first rounder. That’s not a bad start to the draft.


12 teams, everyone keeps 2 (at most, you can keep 1 or 0, but almost everyone keeps 2).


Who I know will be kept:

Go Luck Yourself: Zeke Elliott and Saquon Barkley (1st and 2nd round)

New England Browns: no idea his team is shitty, probably Tom Brady and can't guess on player 2 maybe DeSean Jackson (later round picks)

Fitz-Mackin Dem Hoes: probably George Kittle and DJ

Ed's Bitch: Kamara (8th) and Keenan Allen

Heart of the Star: likely Gurley (1st) and Damien Williams (8th) or Julio Jones (2nd or a 1st if he keeps Jones and Williams)

Killa Beaglez: Melvin Gordon (1st) and maybe Carson Wentz, not sure on his 2nd keeper, he has Le'Veon Bell who he could keep with a 2nd if he keeps Gordon)

Single digit losers: not sure he has Rashaad Penny, Calvin Ridley, Aaron Rodgers, and Courtland Sutton - all with late round picks

Flotsam & Jetsam: James Conner and Julian Edelman (?)

Snapface: McCaffrey (1st) and Lindsay or Michel (Lindsay is for an 8th and Michel is later too, so a chance he could keep the two later guys and throw back McCaffrey, but I doubt it) he also has Mahomes JuJu and Thielen - so a lot of ways he can go. Stacked team.

Upper Decker: probably DeAndre Hopkins and maybe Engram, not sure on his 2nd

Young Guru: Maybe AB and AP

I pick 4th, lost in the semis.

I definitely have it down to Thomas/Chubb or Thomas/Beckham (barring injury).







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