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Per Sirius: Your Giantsí Mt. Rushmore- 4 ONLY.

Big Blue '56 : 7/9/2019 10:45 am
Please DO NOT list 5 or more or even ties. JUST 4..

I am trying to make it as difficult as possible and of course there are no rights or wrongs, simply our opinion.

You can put a player, or coach or owner in your top 4, but again, ONLY 4 or please donít participate.

It took me the full 60 minutes on my Stairmaster to settle on 4. You can imagine how many times I went back and forth.

My heads on Mt. Rushmore, in no order:

1-L.T.

2-Eli

3-Parcells

4-Rosy Brown

And go:
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Breaking this down  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/9/2019 12:56 pm : link
You can't omit Wellington Mara. So there's 1.

Do you include GM? George Young assembled the first SB team. But let's pass on him for now.

Coaches: Obviously Parcells and Coughlin but each have 2 SBs. So how do you pick one over the other?

Can't omit LT. He changed the game.

So right now 1) Mara 2) LT

QBs? Simms and Eli. Eli gets the nod with 2 SBs but some may argue there isn't a better more consistent body of work. Of course we're not talking about Canton here, just the NYG so Eli gets a nod.

1 Mara
2 Taylor
3 Manning

As for the 4th, I'm sure theres some old timer on there I can't think of but I'm thinking Super Bowl era only. We're not going to be able to spend capital on a RB, WR, TE (though Bavaro could make a case), DB, K, P, OL. I guess the last spot would have to go to a big name such as Carson or Strahan if you look over the whole body of work. The nod would have to go to Carson in this case just because I feel at the time he was more dominant.

So correcting my above post my 4 are:

Mara
Taylor
Manning
Carson
Breaking this down  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/9/2019 12:56 pm : link
You can't omit Wellington Mara. So there's 1.

Do you include GM? George Young assembled the first SB team. But let's pass on him for now.

Coaches: Obviously Parcells and Coughlin but each have 2 SBs. So how do you pick one over the other?

Can't omit LT. He changed the game.

So right now 1) Mara 2) LT

QBs? Simms and Eli. Eli gets the nod with 2 SBs but some may argue there isn't a better more consistent body of work. Of course we're not talking about Canton here, just the NYG so Eli gets a nod.

1 Mara
2 Taylor
3 Manning

As for the 4th, I'm sure theres some old timer on there I can't think of but I'm thinking Super Bowl era only. We're not going to be able to spend capital on a RB, WR, TE (though Bavaro could make a case), DB, K, P, OL. I guess the last spot would have to go to a big name such as Carson or Strahan if you look over the whole body of work. The nod would have to go to Carson in this case just because I feel at the time he was more dominant.

So correcting my above post my 4 are:

Mara
Taylor
Manning
Carson
Sorry for the double post  
DC Gmen Fan : 7/9/2019 12:57 pm : link
.
fan since 1980...  
BillKo : 7/9/2019 1:04 pm : link
...so I'll go:

LT
Strahan
Simms
Eli.

OK, I'll play  
Red Dog : 7/9/2019 1:17 pm : link
Mel Hein
Ken Strong
Frank Gifford
Lawrence Taylor
Fan since '77 but I'll go some old school  
Stu11 : 7/9/2019 1:18 pm : link
LT
Eli
YA Tittle
Sam Huff
Hereís mine  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 7/9/2019 1:22 pm : link
1) Dave Brown
2)Derek Brown
3)Ron Dayne
4)Flowers

;-)

1)LT
2)Eli
3)Strahan
4)Simms
LT  
RDJR : 7/9/2019 1:24 pm : link
Parcells
Strahan
Eli
Quite a challenge, but to be considered  
Diver_Down : 7/9/2019 1:27 pm : link
to have one's likeness carved from stone and limited to only 4 then the person needs to have impeccable character. It isn't enough to be a great player. With the franchise nearly 100 years old, there are many great players. I can't consider any ownership. They aren't deserving just because of a birthright. At the top of the list are not only players but actual war heroes. Men who have made the ultimate sacrifice.

1. Jack Lummus - Medal of Honor recipient who was mortally wounded in the Battle of Iwo Jima. His famous last words - "The New York Giants lost a good man."
2. Al Blozis - A fellow grunt who was known as the Human Howitzer after he set the Army's record for throwing a hand grenade over 94 yards. From personal experience, it is an extremely difficult task. He made the ultimate sacrifice when he went in search of his men who didn't return from patrol.
3. Eli Manning - The greatest QB in the franchise's history. A true Giant on and off the field.
4. Tom Coughlin - The greatest coach in the franchise's history who is credited with 3 SB rings.

Playing by the Rules, so...  
clatterbuck : 7/9/2019 1:32 pm : link
LT
W. Mara
Gifford
Eli Manning
I don't know the old time Giants well enough, but I'll go with  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/9/2019 1:34 pm : link
- Gifford
- Parcells
- LT
- Eli


Strahan and Huff are the toughest player omissions and Wellington is majorly important to the sport, but there was a long period of time in which the franchise stunk. Tittle didn't play with the team long enough.
I'm going strictly players  
Giants61 : 7/9/2019 1:41 pm : link
LT
Strahan
Manning
Barber
Players only eases the burden:  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
Eli and Phil

LT and Carson.

Unfortunately never saw Tunnel or earlier players.
All players bus drivers  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/9/2019 1:47 pm : link
with two rings.
I Donít Get Mara  
Samiam : 7/9/2019 1:48 pm : link
Who was the Mara who wouldnít sign off on Wellingtonís wanting to hire unqualified exGiants players to be HC and GM. It resulted in George Young getting the job and the turnaround of what was a laughingstock franchise - way worse than the current teams. Maraís contribution was to the NFL when he and Halas agreed to share revenue which I think had a lot to do with the league success
What makes this hard for me is to not include the QBs.  
Elisha10 : 7/9/2019 2:00 pm : link
None of our QBs are really top 4 all-time Giants, mine would be:

Mel Hein
Emlen Tunnell
Rosey Brown
Lawrence Taylor

All 4 are considered the best or amongst the best to ever play their position, I can't say that about any of our QB's. Since 3/4 of the true top 4 are not the most well known players here is another list of the top 4 most recognizable Giants:

Frank Gifford
Lawrence Taylor
Michael Strahan
Eli Manning

It's a fun question  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/9/2019 2:05 pm : link
I took it as my personal MT Rushmore, so after going back and forth on it I omitted players from before my time since I don't feel the same connection to them.
Wow this is very hard  
Rjanyg : 7/9/2019 2:06 pm : link
and I am surprised nobody thought Tim Mara, the guy who bought the NY franchise, should be on the list. If we are going to have both players, owners, coaches and GM's, Tim Mara must be considered.

So I will try to do this with an offensive player, a defensive player, a coach and an owner.

1. Tim Mara
2. LT
3. Eli
4. Parcells
Can LT  
Rick5 : 7/9/2019 2:09 pm : link
be listed 4 times?
my 4  
Giants86 : 7/9/2019 2:09 pm : link
LT
Tunnell
Parcells
Eli
RE: Wow this is very hard  
Big Blue '56 : 7/9/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14495285 Rjanyg said:
Quote:
and I am surprised nobody thought Tim Mara, the guy who bought the NY franchise, should be on the list. If we are going to have both players, owners, coaches and GM's, Tim Mara must be considered.

So I will try to do this with an offensive player, a defensive player, a coach and an owner.

1. Tim Mara
2. LT
3. Eli
4. Parcells


Certainly a good choice. I might have considered listing him, if he popped into my head..😎
Samiam  
arniefez : 7/9/2019 2:38 pm : link
Even the revenue sharing thing is revisionist history. Jack Mara was in charge of the financial end of the business not Wellington. I'm sure Wellington was involved but it wasn't his call. It was Jack's. Jack was 50% owner and Tim Mara Jr's father. Wellington ran the football side Jack ran the business side. He died before the 1965 season leaving Wellington basically in charge of everything while Tim Jr lived the life of a trust fund baby as an adult until the late 70's when he forced Wellington out as the Owner/defacto GM and George Young was hired.
RE: Can LT  
Thegratefulhead : 7/9/2019 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14495286 Rick5 said:
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be listed 4 times?
Sure, it is your mountain. Maybe it should only be LT...The other positions are all debatable.
My 4  
Jimmy Meatballs : 7/9/2019 3:08 pm : link
Eli
LT
Strahan
The Saints 1st rounder for Shockey
Defense wins championships...  
HoustonGiant : 7/9/2019 3:40 pm : link
1. LT
2. Strahan
3. Carson
4. Eli
The Giants have been playing American Football since the 1920s  
George : 7/9/2019 4:16 pm : link
1. Frank Gifford
2. Sam Huff
3. LT
4. Michael Strahan
Well, as reprehensible a person as LT is,  
81_Great_Dane : 7/9/2019 4:28 pm : link
1) LT
2) Emlen Tunnell (It's amazing to me how little he's recognized for how great he was.)
3) Eli
4) Gifford. (Starred at both RB and receiver, also a good passer on the option.)

There are a TON of guys who'd be honorable mentions. Strahan, Carson (my personal favorite), Tiki, Hein...

I think if you ask this question again in 2025 Saquon Barkley will be on the list, but you know, we gotta see it first.
Tempted to include Lombardi and Landry but I wont.  
Spider56 : 7/9/2019 4:42 pm : link
LT
Huff
Eli
Gifford
RE: I Donít Get Mara  
bw in dc : 7/9/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14495263 Samiam said:
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Who was the Mara who wouldnít sign off on Wellingtonís wanting to hire unqualified exGiants players to be HC and GM. It resulted in George Young getting the job and the turnaround of what was a laughingstock franchise - way worse than the current teams. Maraís contribution was to the NFL when he and Halas agreed to share revenue which I think had a lot to do with the league success


The Giants were an unmitigated disaster in the '70s. A laughingstock. Ownership was completely clueless.

If not for a major intervention by Rozelle the Camelot Era under GY and Parcells NEVER happens. So why anyone would essentially reward Mara in this exercise for bringing the team to the brink of no return is really a demonstration, alas, how clueless some fans are...
Iím doing players only  
dep026 : 7/9/2019 5:21 pm : link
LT
Eli
Rosy Brown
Strahan

Really tough to leave Gifford off.
bw in dc  
Samiam : 7/9/2019 5:25 pm : link
Thank you. For the life of me, I donít get all the kudos. He seemed like a good guy and had integrity and took care of the players. But, he was not a good football man.

Iíll give you another example. Early in free agency, the Giants signed an over the hill Larry Csonka and there was no requirement for compensation. On his own, Mara gave up a 3rd round pick. This from a piece of crap team devoid of talent. I hope Iím remembering it right. Heís not on my Rushmore list
As a person who lived through the Well Mara era,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/9/2019 5:40 pm : link
he was mostly a terrible GM than he was an owner per se
Top 4  
Rick in Dallas : 7/9/2019 5:43 pm : link
LT
Frank Gifford
Brad Van Pelt
Harry Carson
bw in dc  
arniefez : 7/9/2019 6:18 pm : link
I think you meant if not for Tim Mara Jr forcing Rozelle to intervene there never would have been a Giants Camelot.

Even the once a Giant always a Giant and Wellington was some kind of rock of integrity is mostly propaganda. Was Wellington Mara a "good man"? It seems he lived an admirable life of extreme privilege from all accounts. But none of us know. He was extremely loyal to many if not most Giant players and most speak very highly of him. That's a pretty good legacy.

But here's a little true story from Bob Lurtsema who played for the Giants from 1967-1971. Lurtsema was one of the locker room leaders at the time and was called into Wellington office during the 1971 season. Wellington asked him to evaluate what was wrong with the team and the organization.

Lurtsema was the Giants player rep which already had him worried when he was called in by Wellington but Wellington assured him he needed his help and anything said would stay between the two of them. So Lurtsema told him morale was very low and the players had no faith it would get better. Wellington waived Lurtsema the next day. The Giants finished 4-10 in 1971. Lurtsema and Fran Tarkington who had a mutual dislike with Wellington went to two Super Bowls a few years later.

But in the 70's that wasn't all that unusual for ex Giants. A lot of them played in Super Bowls for other teams. Including Dryer who was mentioned in this thread and never had a good word to say about his experience in Maraland and Craig Morton who played in Super Bowls before the Giants and after the Giants.
Brad Van Pelt?  
arniefez : 7/9/2019 6:19 pm : link
seriously?
Van Pelt  
Rick in Dallas : 7/9/2019 6:24 pm : link
5 time pro bowl player in the darkest period of Giants football. The dreadful 70ís. Also player of the decade for the Giants. Go back and watch film on. Van Pelt. He was terrific
I have to agree with LT  
12aob : 7/9/2019 7:41 pm : link
Eli , Strahan and Parcells. I canít assess the pre-Super Bowl era teams though
My four  
yalebowl : 7/9/2019 9:19 pm : link
Joe Morrison
George Martin
Andy Robustelli
Ron Johnson
Any four without LT  
Carl in CT : 7/9/2019 9:50 pm : link
Is not relevant.
Are we talking people we've seen?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/9/2019 9:59 pm : link
If so, LT, Eli, Tuck, Toomer.

If we're doing franchise, LT, Eli, Gifford, & probably Rosey Brown.
Rick in Dallas  
arniefez : 7/9/2019 10:22 pm : link
I saw pretty much every game Van Pelt ever played many of them in person. He was a very good player on bad teams. He doesn't deserve to be mentioned with Taylor, Carson and Banks let alone one of the 4 greatest Giants ever.
Eli  
tikimvp : 7/10/2019 12:28 am : link
LT
Strahan
Tiki
This is hard again, but...  
Allen in CNJ : 7/10/2019 6:31 am : link
LT
Eli
Simms
Parcells

So many others that are deserving: TC, OJ, Bill Belichik, Carl Banks, Harry, Strahan, Bavaro, Tuck, Osi
RE: Any four without LT  
Diver_Down : 7/10/2019 6:31 am : link
In comment 14495637 Carl in CT said:
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Is not relevant.


Sorry. Character matters for some of us. Despite his destructive play on the field, he is a despicable person. Even if you disregard his drug use, he is a child rapist.
If you want character why  
Carl in CT : 7/10/2019 8:07 am : link
Watch the nfl. There are few players with it. The whole league doesnít have it and cheats any way possible. Just look at the golden boy Tom Brady. Do you really believe he is the 30th highest paid QB in the league? You know he is getting his money somewhere and no one seems to investigate. The whole league is corrupt.
My 4  
Aaron Thomas : 7/10/2019 9:09 am : link
Emlen Tunnell, Lawrence Taylor, Eli Manning and Rosey Brown
Correction...  
Aaron Thomas : 7/10/2019 9:10 am : link
Rosy Brown
I only saw Tunnell the last few years  
Big Blue '56 : 7/10/2019 9:16 am : link
of his Giantsí career before moving to Green Bay in Ď59( ?)..He was still pretty good, but certainly not the franchise DB he was during most of his career here.
My list  
TrueBlue56 : 7/10/2019 9:49 am : link
LT - easy choice

Rosey Brown - as a player, scout and coach he was part of the giants organization for over 50 years and a hall of famer

Frank Gifford - hall of famer that did everything

Wellington Mara - he has been the face of the franchise for decades. The good, the bad and ugly and you can not tell the story of the ny giants without Wellington Mara.
Tim Mara  
PaulN : 7/10/2019 10:00 am : link
Was the head of football operations until his death. He was the good football owner. The Giants became one of the top franchises along with the Bears, Skins, and Packers. Wellington almost ruined the franchise, it's not an opinion it's a fact. Wellington though helped in designing profit sharing with for the smaller market teams, which may have saved the league. Wellington was great for the league, but loyalty to old and past players ruined the team and created the feud with Tim Jr.
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