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NFT: Marcus Morris to the Knicks?

Anakim : 7/9/2019 4:42 pm
Adrian Wojnarowski
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: Free agent Marcus Morris -- who committed to a two-year, $20M Spurs deal w/ player option -- is re-considering agreement. Morris is now considering a free agent deal with Knicks, who'll have additional cap space with reworking of Bullock deal.
Strahan91 posted it first  
Anakim : 7/9/2019 4:44 pm : link
But I would think Marcus Morris would be a MUCH better signing than Reggie Bullock. I mean we don't need another PF, but Morris is a better player.
I'd rather not sign a guy who I will have to play, perhaps  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/9/2019 4:44 pm : link
at expense of kids. Of all the guys they signed, they only ones they really have to play are Randle and Payton.
Serious question: Why?  
81_Great_Dane : 7/9/2019 4:45 pm : link
I mean, he's going to be 30, so he's not a long-term addition. What does he bring to the Knicks? Not familiar with him.
RE: Strahan91 posted it first  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14495458 Anakim said:
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But I would think Marcus Morris would be a MUCH better signing than Reggie Bullock. I mean we don't need another PF, but Morris is a better player.


Sounds like both... and enough vets already jeez.
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Anakim : 7/9/2019 4:49 pm : link
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes

Yahoo Sources: New York Knicks have a one-year, roughly $15 million offer on the table for Marcus Morris who is considering reneging on his two-year, $20 million agreement with San Antonio.
RE: Serious question: Why?  
Heisenberg : 7/9/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14495465 81_Great_Dane said:
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I mean, he's going to be 30, so he's not a long-term addition. What does he bring to the Knicks? Not familiar with him.


He's a really solid all around player.
They could probably get something for him at the deadline  
Strahan91 : 7/9/2019 4:52 pm : link
if they're out of it.
He's tough and is pretty good all-around  
Bill L : 7/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
can hit the three. He's a bit of a black hole sometimes but that's okay. I really liked him on my team and a little sad he's gone.
this is nice to read  
Strahan91 : 7/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
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In a brief conversation with ESPN, Bauman was complimentary of how the Knicks handled this emerging situation with Bullock. He cited how accommodating ownership, front office and medical staff had been in dealing with new issues facing deal: ďFirst-class throughout,Ē Bauman said.
He'd be a good trade piece at the deadline.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
Beyond that all these vets don't make a whole lot of sense.
RE: They could probably get something for him at the deadline  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14495475 Strahan91 said:
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if they're out of it.


True. I'd also add when they're out of it.
He's a pro  
Bill L : 7/9/2019 4:54 pm : link
and pro's are good to have as examples and role models when you are building with youth.
Would be a really good signing  
Italianju : 7/9/2019 4:55 pm : link
Except I donít know where the minutes come from. I was ok with randle, Portis and Gibson cause we needed bigs but not sure where another one fits. They better not sign him and relegate Mitch to the bench.
RE: He's a pro  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14495481 Bill L said:
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and pro's are good to have as examples and role models when you are building with youth.


They have enough of those as it is.

Ellington, Gibson, Portis, Bullock assuming he's deal goes through, Payton.
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DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 4:57 pm : link
Randle/Robinson should get heavy minutes, Knox is going to see some time at the 4, Gibson will play, Portis will play, this will be silly with Morris too. These guys aren't coming here to ride the pine and stay quiet.
RE: RE: He's a pro  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/9/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14495485 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14495481 Bill L said:


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and pro's are good to have as examples and role models when you are building with youth.



They have enough of those as it is.

Ellington, Gibson, Portis, Bullock assuming he's deal goes through, Payton.


Morris is better than any of those guys right now. That's why I doubt he'd be amenable to sitting on the bench if/when the Knicks need to play kids.
Morris would be a highly tradeable asset on a one year deal  
Heisenberg : 7/9/2019 5:01 pm : link
And he's better than the rest of the vets that they've signed, IMO. It's a good use of cap space
Problem  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2019 5:04 pm : link
Is that 2 of the main competitors this year (clippers and lakers) who need depth will not be able to trade picks to Knicks. Also would be hard for teams to match $15 mil per year in contracts if they have 2 or 3 max guys.
I'll say this...  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 5:05 pm : link
I do not want all of the kids starting. Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle and Mitch is a horrific shooting and defensive lineup, even if they are the highest upside young guys. A mix of vets and young guys in the starting lineup and the bench would be a good thing.
RE: I'll say this...  
Del Shofner : 7/9/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14495499 bceagle05 said:
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I do not want all of the kids starting. Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle and Mitch is a horrific shooting and defensive lineup, even if they are the highest upside young guys. A mix of vets and young guys in the starting lineup and the bench would be a good thing.


I have been thinking about this and I agree. The kids will need to be split up between the first and second teams and mixed in with the vets. I have no strong view about getting Morris but he does seem a little redundant unless one of the other guys is going to play more C than PF - but if he's better than them, he's not redundant I guess.
Mitch  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 5:10 pm : link
needs heavy minutes, his "flaws" can only improve with burn, not practice time. Barrett looks less than ready to play "huge" minutes but the kids outside of Frank will 100% play. Lets see if Fiz is actually a good coach or a big mouth.
Mitch is the only guy I'd lock into the starting lineup.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 5:11 pm : link
Beyond that I'd be receptive to different combinations. Marcus Morris would definitely start at one of the forward spots, if he signs.
Morris  
TommyWiseau : 7/9/2019 5:12 pm : link
provides defense, some decent shooting ability and a non stop motor. I would welcome him here on a 1 year deal. Someone will bite at the deadline.
Morris can also play the 3 a little bit  
nygiants16 : 7/9/2019 5:13 pm : link
..
If we steal a FA signing from RC Buford  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 5:27 pm : link
we should hang a banner for it.
RE: If we steal a FA signing from RC Buford  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14495517 bceagle05 said:
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we should hang a banner for it.


Seems like it's simply a $ grab. 15 million for 1 year vs. 2 for 20 including the player option. Probably betting on himself.
Was gonna say, iirc Morris is a solid defender  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 5:30 pm : link
While I love the pro pickups, NYK has close to nothing on D. I would have gone after him first, but assumed he wanted a better team

It's tough to build a culture with no one who reflects it - so my one gripe with this team is how do you build a D mindset w/ no defenders or min D bball IQ?

I'd be glad to grab him. At least more than anyone not named Randle
Line up  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2019 5:31 pm : link
I think you need a good mix of vets and young guys. They will have to move some of these guys in December/January there will not be any time for these guys to play. I would think that frank is all but gone by now. My first take in starting line up:

PG - Payton
SG - Barrett
SF - Knox
PF - Randle
C - Mitch

The one thing I will say is they have Mitch locked up for 3 more years, they may take their time with him and only play him 24-28 mins a game. Defensively that is a really bad line up, maybe Knox comes off the bench.

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Del Shofner : 7/9/2019 5:37 pm : link
Morris is seven minutes younger than his identical twin brother, Markieff. He is a fan of his hometown Philadelphia Eagles while Markieff roots for the rival Dallas Cowboys.[30]
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DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 5:37 pm : link
Spurs expect Morris to still sign per Haynes
RE: .  
widmerseyebrow : 7/9/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14495531 Del Shofner said:
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Morris is seven minutes younger than his identical twin brother, Markieff. He is a fan of his hometown Philadelphia Eagles while Markieff roots for the rival Dallas Cowboys.[30]


Sounds like a pair of shit bags.
Unrelated  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 5:43 pm : link
but teams messed up passing on Fall. He's going to be a limited minute specialist but he moves "well" for that size and will have an impact. Lucky Celtics.
RE: RE: If we steal a FA signing from RC Buford  
Strahan91 : 7/9/2019 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14495518 DanMetroMan said:
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we should hang a banner for it.



Seems like it's simply a $ grab. 15 million for 1 year vs. 2 for 20 including the player option. Probably betting on himself.

If you factor in the income tax differences though it's only a ~$1.5M or so difference
RE: RE: RE: If we steal a FA signing from RC Buford  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/9/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14495549 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14495518 DanMetroMan said:


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In comment 14495517 bceagle05 said:


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we should hang a banner for it.



Seems like it's simply a $ grab. 15 million for 1 year vs. 2 for 20 including the player option. Probably betting on himself.


If you factor in the income tax differences though it's only a ~$1.5M or so difference

A million here, a million there. Pretty soon youíre talking real money.

Anyway, itís more like $2.5M.

RE: RE: I'll say this...  
mfsd : 7/9/2019 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14495501 Del Shofner said:
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I do not want all of the kids starting. Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle and Mitch is a horrific shooting and defensive lineup, even if they are the highest upside young guys. A mix of vets and young guys in the starting lineup and the bench would be a good thing.



I have been thinking about this and I agree. The kids will need to be split up between the first and second teams and mixed in with the vets. I have no strong view about getting Morris but he does seem a little redundant unless one of the other guys is going to play more C than PF - but if he's better than them, he's not redundant I guess.


Good points here. On one hand, my reaction is cool, Knicks are back to trying to play .500 and compete for the 8 seed.

But another full tank season throwing the kids to the wolves may actually stunt their growth.

Don't feel too strongly either way about any of the guys we've signed, but at least the front office had a plan B if they whiffed on the max guys - fill out roster with vet competitors on short tradeable deals, don't blow up cap space with another Amare type signing.
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 7/9/2019 8:29 pm : link
Where are they playing on all these bigs? You really want to limit Robinson to 20-25 mins a game? He needs to play major minutes. And if they believe in Portis and Randle- they need to play major minutes.

What happened to develop the young players? And if they are signing them to trade them- what do they reasonably expect to get back?

I donít understand the point of this signing or the overall strategy. Atleast this guy can defend and is actually tough.
They definitely went a little overboard with the FA signings.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 9:05 pm : link
I donít think Ellington and Portis serve much purpose as stopgaps.

Randle, Taj, Bullock, Payton and maybe Morris would be fine along with the young guys. Keep a spot or two open for the Summer League crew to earn.
i wonder if there was some research done...  
Italianju : 7/9/2019 9:09 pm : link
by the FO on in season trades vs offseason. Like did they think they would get more value by signing a guy and trading him during the season vs absorbing a guy into capspace. I have not looked at all into this, just was thinking about it.

Id take Morris, i mean guys will get hurt. And maybe he just takes Gibson's minutes, id be ok with that.

Will be interesting to see how fizdale does this year. I mean mock the knicks all you want but there is a lot more talent on this team. It shouldnt win 17 games.
Knicks game is not on tv?  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2019 9:30 pm : link
What happened itís in espn3 I didnít even know there was an espn3
RE: Knicks game is not on tv?  
Stu11 : 7/9/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14495627 GMEN46 said:
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What happened itís in espn3 I didnít even know there was an espn3

It's the ESPN streaming service. Used to be called watch ESPN
RE: Knicks game is not on tv?  
Strahan91 : 7/9/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14495627 GMEN46 said:
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What happened itís in espn3 I didnít even know there was an espn3

it's on msg and nbatv
RJ looks way better  
Jon in NYC : 7/9/2019 9:57 pm : link
He airballed a 3 but is playing better D, not forcing stuff and got to the rim twice.
Knicks are always the dumber of the 2 teams  
ghost718 : 7/9/2019 10:07 pm : link
and Knox starts chuckin',gets pulled,comes back and makes 1 pass,than back to chuckin
Barrett tackled by three guys. No foul.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 10:23 pm : link
But let's call 400 moving screens.
Barrett has made some nice passes  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/9/2019 10:24 pm : link
Knox has looked very last season.
RE: Barrett tackled by three guys. No foul.  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14495651 bceagle05 said:
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But let's call 400 moving screens.

True, but that was a 1-4 from the moment he started attacking. The play there was moving the ball

Not so impressed w/ him today so far either. He's forced less bad plays & passed a little more from the first 2 games so that's something. But again it's SL - even if on fire the experience & process is what matters most atm
Kadeem Allen  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 10:37 pm : link
has me longing for the days of Chasson Randle.
Nice to see KK & Iggy w/ confidence (#s or not)  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 10:38 pm : link
A little disappointed Mitch seems kinda as ooc as last year. Positioning is inconsistent, lots of fouls, that run of goaltends last game. He'll be fine but that's the biggest improvement I'm hoping from last season

We'll enjoy having a decent pass-first PG tho Payton isn't an allstar. Years of Gs inability to get the ball to the right spots, if not just to the wing or post. This is SL but it's awful for NYK. Kadeem is serviceable for THIS level...maybe. Kinda speaks to why we'd have Vonleh bring it up at times last season
My Overreaction from Summer League  
Nine-Tails : 7/9/2019 10:41 pm : link
Tyler Herro > RJ Barrett. The Heat got the next Devin Booker and RJ is the next Shabazz Muhammad.
RE: My Overreaction from Summer League  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14495659 Nine-Tails said:
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Tyler Herro > RJ Barrett. The Heat got the next Devin Booker and RJ is the next Shabazz Muhammad.

You should call every GM in the league and ask them which they'd rather have.
Robinson limits himself with his minutes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/9/2019 10:47 pm : link
The way he goes for every block and collects fouls. He should get big minutes when he earns it. Everyone's so nervous about how much he should play when he hasn't even shown for sure he's grown past keeping himself on the bench.

Hes a 7 footer in a league where players get hurt all the time. Roster depth is a thing.
That's it, trade the whole team for Westbrook. How can you go  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/9/2019 10:48 pm : link
win-less when you came in as the favorite? This is fucking embarrassing.

Are Mills and Perry even around for this mess?

Knox just seems too comfortable going 4 for 15. He has no balance and his drives to the hoop are simply awkward. I guess we'll hope he can develop into a dead-eye catch and shoot guy.

I like that Barrett is more assertive at least.
Anyone who wants to get all excited about a summer league performance  
Stu11 : 7/9/2019 10:49 pm : link
Just remember Kevin Knox last year...
RE: RE: My Overreaction from Summer League  
Nine-Tails : 7/9/2019 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14495661 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 14495659 Nine-Tails said:


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Tyler Herro > RJ Barrett. The Heat got the next Devin Booker and RJ is the next Shabazz Muhammad.


You should call every GM in the league and ask them which they'd rather have.


Why so serious, lol? Guess the overreactions from others is weighing on you
I hope Marcus Morris isn't watching this one.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 10:56 pm : link
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Knox is a disappointment for me. I just don't see him as having the  
yatqb : 7/9/2019 10:59 pm : link
talent to become a significant piece on a top team.
Barrett is showing way more flashes in this game  
Anakim : 7/9/2019 11:05 pm : link
Encouraging to see
Iggy's D positioning is not bad at all  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 11:12 pm : link
he's not athletic but might have quick enough feet and a better motor to make him serviceable at least

D was supposed to be a weakness iirc, but he looks better than that, if not best of this group so far (not saying too much but still)
RJ settling in some  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 11:14 pm : link
a few more good plays than bad this half
Keep the ball high Mitch!  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 11:16 pm : link
Had an easy dunk taken away by a G
Barrett solid play there  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 11:17 pm : link
spin toward the rim then a sweet pass for an Iggy dunk
Well so much for favorites in SL  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 11:20 pm : link
but Barrett much better esp 2nd half

Iggy quieter but still solid

Mitch still Mitch, fun to watch. Lots of blocks
Well....  
moespree : 7/9/2019 11:20 pm : link
I don't find much particularly impressive about this summer league for the Knicks. Similar problems for some of these players that were present last season. Probably not a good sign.

That being said, I won't dwell on summer league either. Let's see what happens when training camp and exhibition games start.
17/10/6 for RJ.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 11:23 pm : link
Best thing he can do in the short term is work on those free throws - he has a knack for getting to the line.
RJ is tough and competetive  
Chris L. : 7/9/2019 11:34 pm : link
he will be fine. Showed some of that point guard he displays from the 2 guard slot in the second half. Knox still needs to get stronger and be more physical. I would love to see his first half/second half splits. It always seems like he tires as the game goes on. The guy is still really, really young. Once his body fully matures he is going to be a REAL good player.
Somewhat ironic if Morris  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 1:29 am : link
renegs on SAS of all teams to come to NYK, after all the shit talk on the franchise

Doesn't mean anything, it's just funny in context
Now that Barrett showed his potential  
Canton : 7/10/2019 5:48 am : link
As a future triple double threat..

All the critics disappeared.

Typical BBI..
Can't wait until he puts it all together  
Canton : 7/10/2019 5:52 am : link
May not be next year or the year after. BUT I'm confident he will.
That first half...  
Jan in DC : 7/10/2019 8:52 am : link
was atrocious. I think that they're just going out there expecting to win. Glad Buechler started to crack the whip a little bit. Too many guys playing bad basketball when they're supposed to be working on developing their game.
Knox  
TyreeHelmet : 7/10/2019 8:59 am : link
What position do you guys view him as? To me he's more of a 4 than 3.
RE: Knox  
Pep22 : 7/10/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14495782 TyreeHelmet said:
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What position do you guys view him as? To me he's more of a 4 than 3.


To me, he is a Brandon Ingram or Chandler Parsons (before he signed the big contract) type; a skilled and long wing who should be a solid 15 ppg scorer.
Allen was unbelievably bad  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2019 9:51 am : link
Don't know what they see in that guy
Barrett  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2019 9:59 am : link
looked great last night. 17-10-6 in a 40 minute game with 3 blocks and only one turnover. 4-4 from the FT line too.

Entirely different player than games 1 and 2.
Great is a bit much  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2019 10:02 am : link
He looked better.
RE: Barrett  
Del Shofner : 7/10/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14495811 Jon in NYC said:
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looked great last night. 17-10-6 in a 40 minute game with 3 blocks and only one turnover. 4-4 from the FT line too.

Entirely different player than games 1 and 2.


Barrett did look good last night. The team as a whole, not so much.
RE: Great is a bit much  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14495813 Greg from LI said:
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He looked better.


He almost got a triple double.
RE: RE: Great is a bit much  
BigBlueShock : 7/10/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14495816 Jon in NYC said:
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He looked better.



He almost got a triple double.

Yeah but he didnít go to Virginia...
Almost?  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2019 10:09 am : link
You have a broadly expansive definiton of that word, apparently.
Allen  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 10:10 am : link
wants to be that guy who loses a good shot at the roster with his SL performance doesn't he? lol
RE: RE: RE: Great is a bit much  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14495819 BigBlueShock said:
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Yeah but he didnít go to Virginia...


Keep plugging away, little trooper, I'm sure someday you'll say something relevant.
RE: Barrett  
Canton : 7/10/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14495811 Jon in NYC said:
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looked great last night. 17-10-6 in a 40 minute game with 3 blocks and only one turnover. 4-4 from the FT line too.

Entirely different player than games 1 and 2.


The player we should see consistently if he works hard enough for it. Which by all accounts, he should.
RE: Allen  
Strahan91 : 7/10/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14495824 DanMetroMan said:
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wants to be that guy who loses a good shot at the roster with his SL performance doesn't he? lol

Chasson Randle 2.0
RE: Almost?  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14495821 Greg from LI said:
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You have a broadly expansive definiton of that word, apparently.


Hahaha this is such a strange fight for you to pick.
If  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 10:34 am : link
the Knicks insist on adding veteran mentors, I'd take Shaun Livingston.
He def looked better...  
Italianju : 7/10/2019 10:37 am : link
still not great to me though. Much better job getting to the basket for sure. Id like to see him finish on a real high note tonight.

Allen is garbage, no reason he should make the team. A guy his age with his experience should look at least solid in SL and he looks awful.
RE: He def looked better...  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14495845 Italianju said:
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still not great to me though. Much better job getting to the basket for sure. Id like to see him finish on a real high note tonight.

Allen is garbage, no reason he should make the team. A guy his age with his experience should look at least solid in SL and he looks awful.


He has no shot. I thought Wooten did poorly too. The last spot will be either Marcus Morris or Lance Thomas
Wilkes  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 10:38 am : link
missing SL really hurt him, helped Wooten though.
with trier out our guards have been a joke...  
Italianju : 7/10/2019 10:40 am : link
not even counting Barrett's poor play. I mean ive watched every minute of all the games and gun to my head im not sure i can remember any of the other guards names.
If Lance Thomas remains on this team  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2019 10:44 am : link
then I give up
At least he looked okay going to the basket  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/10/2019 10:45 am : link
I have real questions about why RJ Garrett was so highly touted when he seems to be apparently average athletically. Does anyone know how he tested at the combine?
RE: At least he looked okay going to the basket  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14495858 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I have real questions about why RJ Garrett was so highly touted when he seems to be apparently average athletically. Does anyone know how he tested at the combine?


His athleticism was overhyped in HS because of his dominance. Here is Givony April 2017

"-Excellent upper body but thin lower body. Legs are a bit bowed out. -Didn't look as explosive as he has in the past. Was slightly hampered by a lower extremity injury - had come straight from Dick's Nationals where he reportedly hurt his knee. Moves in a bit of a herky jerky fashion. Has yet to reach his athletic potential? -Struggled a bit to get by long athletes thanks to his so-so burst (maybe due to injury) and very raw handle - loose, away from his body. Makes an effort to change speeds but doesn't do so with much force. Left hand dominant at this stage. -Not as explosive around the rim in traffic as he is in space. Relies more on his length and ability to finish from different angles than pure explosiveness. Has shown he has a higher degree of explosiveness in the past - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/R.J.-Barrett-91144/ ©DraftExpress
RE: RE: At least he looked okay going to the basket  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14495859 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14495858 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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I have real questions about why RJ Garrett was so highly touted when he seems to be apparently average athletically. Does anyone know how he tested at the combine?



His athleticism was overhyped in HS because of his dominance. Here is Givony April 2017

"-Excellent upper body but thin lower body. Legs are a bit bowed out. -Didn't look as explosive as he has in the past. Was slightly hampered by a lower extremity injury - had come straight from Dick's Nationals where he reportedly hurt his knee. Moves in a bit of a herky jerky fashion. Has yet to reach his athletic potential? -Struggled a bit to get by long athletes thanks to his so-so burst (maybe due to injury) and very raw handle - loose, away from his body. Makes an effort to change speeds but doesn't do so with much force. Left hand dominant at this stage. -Not as explosive around the rim in traffic as he is in space. Relies more on his length and ability to finish from different angles than pure explosiveness. Has shown he has a higher degree of explosiveness in the past - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/R.J.-Barrett-91144/ ©DraftExpress


I think this is a really good assessment. Was impressed with how strong he was but I definitely wouldn't call him explosive.
RJ looked better last night which is encouraging  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 7/10/2019 10:59 am : link
and what you want to see.

Ignas ďMICHIGAN MANĒ Brazdeikis with 30 points and 8 rebounds. As expected.
RE: At least he looked okay going to the basket  
Nine-Tails : 7/10/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14495858 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I have real questions about why RJ Garrett was so highly touted when he seems to be apparently average athletically. Does anyone know how he tested at the combine?


So many players were highly touted from high school and didn't live up to the hype. Lance Stephenson, Austin Rivers, Shabazz Muhammad, Perry Jone, and the list goes on
RE: RE: At least he looked okay going to the basket  
Anakim : 7/10/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14495872 Nine-Tails said:
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I have real questions about why RJ Garrett was so highly touted when he seems to be apparently average athletically. Does anyone know how he tested at the combine?



So many players were highly touted from high school and didn't live up to the hype. Lance Stephenson, Austin Rivers, Shabazz Muhammad, Perry Jone, and the list goes on


OJ Mayo, Jahlil Okafor, Harry Giles, Skal Labissiere, Senor Wiggins...


But I will say that with possibly the exception of Wiggins, Barrett was more highly-touted than all of them.
RE: RE: At least he looked okay going to the basket  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14495872 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14495858 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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I have real questions about why RJ Garrett was so highly touted when he seems to be apparently average athletically. Does anyone know how he tested at the combine?



So many players were highly touted from high school and didn't live up to the hype. Lance Stephenson, Austin Rivers, Shabazz Muhammad, Perry Jone, and the list goes on


The difference is none of those players were great college players. RJ was an all american.
Harry  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 11:33 am : link
Giles? He averaged 7 and 4 on 50% shooting, 14.4 PER as a 20 year old rookie. Why is he included? He may yet disappoint but so far so good.
Emmanuel Mudiay was the #2 overall HS player  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2019 11:36 am : link
on the 2014 RCSI ranking
'Most' of the opinions on those players  
giants#1 : 7/10/2019 11:39 am : link
nose dived after a year in college (or abroad). Okafor was still highly thought of though is time at Duke did raise some serious concerns about his defensive ability.
2001 might have been the worst recruiting class of all time  
Greg from LI : 7/10/2019 11:40 am : link
The 2001 RSCI top ten:

1: Eddy Curry
2: Kelvin Torbert
3: Dejuan Wagner
4: Tyson Chandler
5: Ousmane Cisse
6: Kwame Brown
7: Julius Hodge
8: DeSagana Diop
9: Rick Rickert
10: David Lee

Two good NBA players in the top ten, that's it.
Kawhi  
Jon in NYC : 7/10/2019 11:45 am : link
signed a 2+1 so he'll be a free agent in 2021
RE: Kawhi  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14495902 Jon in NYC said:
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signed a 2+1 so he'll be a free agent in 2021




Kurt Helin
@basketballtalk

15s
Kawhi Leonard and Paul George both will be free agents in two years, and both wanted it that way because they hit 10 years of service and can get a larger raise up to 35% of the salary cap (up from 30%). Not about leaving Clippers (necessarily) it's about the $$$
Dajuan Wagner  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/10/2019 12:00 pm : link
Damn, blast from the past with that one. I remember he was supposed to be the next AI.
Any interest in Guerschon Yabusele?  
Anakim : 7/10/2019 12:04 pm : link
He was waived
RE: Any interest in Guerschon Yabusele?  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 12:08 pm : link
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He was waived


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RE: If  
TyreeHelmet : 7/10/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14495843 DanMetroMan said:
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the Knicks insist on adding veteran mentors, I'd take Shaun Livingston.


Can he play power forward? But seriously I agree with this. But donít see why he would sign with the Knicks.
Strong  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 12:12 pm : link
take on the Morris stuff (more the decision not the Knicks aspect so much)
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Was thinking similar re: Shaun Livingston  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 12:22 pm : link
just not sure how his body has held up this late at 34

But when used particularly in past seasons, he was a great mentor, you'd expect better than Morris fwiw, esp as a PG

I listed out all the 'old' LAC players I used to watch in another thread and stupidly missed him. He was truly fantastic b4 all the awful knee injuries. Actually, not sure I mentioned Eric Gordon on that list either!
Also was quite effective in limited roles on court  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 12:23 pm : link
being a good glue guy, having some D, and a ton of bball IQ
One thing I can say about Allen is ....  
Carl in CT : 7/10/2019 1:33 pm : link
He is not good enough to beat out Frank. Bye!
Mitch  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/10/2019 6:25 pm : link
https://twitter.com/NYKFilmSchool/status/1148775254883545088

Mitchell Robinson has 5 fouls in just over 9 minutes.

This is not good. Seriously, you need to get your game under control after spending a year in the league. Last year was a different story


These are the types of things that are going to hinder Robinson until it improves consistently. It's directly related to his minutes per game and why they can't just write him in for 30 minutes a game. We can explain it away as summer league, but this is how he played at times last year too.
Knicks back on TV vs. Lakers...  
Del Shofner : 7/10/2019 9:34 pm : link
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This endless split screen is shit just to mention it again  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 9:36 pm : link
Iggy w/ a 3 to kick it off from Allen

Mitch w/ a stuff

RJ w/ a righty drive and a call!
Knox, and 1  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 9:38 pm : link
there are times he gets to the rim so easily, so smooth, and drops it in like nothing

RJ attacking again, another call
Feels like Tyler Cavanaugh  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 9:46 pm : link
has played his way on to Westchester. Does something every game, tons of effort, both ends
RJ is a pretty good passer  
Del Shofner : 7/10/2019 9:47 pm : link
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Iirc RJ was top 10 in the ACC  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 9:49 pm : link
not bad esp as a non-PG
RE: Iirc RJ was top 10 in the ACC  
Del Shofner : 7/10/2019 9:51 pm : link
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not bad esp as a non-PG


You are correct. #1 in scoring, #7 in assists and #11 in rebounds.
Who knew Crazy Eyes was 4th in NYK blocks all time  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:07 pm : link
Loved that guy in his knick prime (was that like his 2nd comeback off major injury?)
RJ in the post  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:08 pm : link
That needs to happen, at least on mismatches off switches or on smaller Gs. First time in SL i think
I have an early plane tomorrow so I'm signing off but  
Del Shofner : 7/10/2019 10:09 pm : link
this first half so far by the Knicks was good across the board.
RJ in the post  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:10 pm : link
who said that?

Took him a second to realize he had the spin but really nice

And almost got a dunk for Mitch right there if he wasn't fouled
I see so much potential in Barrettís floor game  
PetesHereNow : 7/10/2019 10:10 pm : link
Very impressed with his basketball iq. Watch how he gets open and moves without the ball.
RJ has settled in nicely.  
bceagle05 : 7/10/2019 10:10 pm : link
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Holy shit...that was a SWEET finger roll by Mitch  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:11 pm : link
coming of a curl near the elbow, just 1 dribble, 1 step past the (awful) defense. He's had a couple decent moves off the ball / slashing I don't think we saw a ton of last yr...
RJ showing all his strengths  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:18 pm : link
as bad as he looked early, we didn't even see these little moments on the break, moving w/o the ball, in the post, nice steal just now (lazy pass or not). Still can see his weaknesses, but can see his value on day 1 (hopefully)

Looks very engaged now (travel or not! It's the NBA baby)
RE: RJ showing all his strengths  
nygiants16 : 7/10/2019 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14496373 ChaChing said:
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as bad as he looked early, we didn't even see these little moments on the break, moving w/o the ball, in the post, nice steal just now (lazy pass or not). Still can see his weaknesses, but can see his value on day 1 (hopefully)

Looks very engaged now (travel or not! It's the NBA baby)


should of had 2 more free throws on that fastbreak..

he is a hell of a rebounder
He's getting Knick calls  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:26 pm : link
sorry fan bitching or not, Zion got star calls for 9 min while RJ definitely did not. He played pretty bad, but 3-13 / 3-15 w/ a few more FTs & pts is better than 3-18 fwiw
Knox back to SL form  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:26 pm : link
bring to the big club now bud
Forgot to DVR the game tonight  
Anakim : 7/10/2019 10:26 pm : link
But I see we're winning big. How is RJ looking?
RE: Forgot to DVR the game tonight  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14496380 Anakim said:
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But I see we're winning big. How is RJ looking?

Best game so far
RE: RE: Forgot to DVR the game tonight  
Anakim : 7/10/2019 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14496381 ChaChing said:
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But I see we're winning big. How is RJ looking?


Best game so far


Well, that's not hard :P
Iggy  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:37 pm : link
what a sweet spin move & pass
RJ still shot the J shaky  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:40 pm : link
but had 3 straight nice plays in the post, a few on the break, a lot of attacking plays & FTs (like right there again). Seems engaged off the ball and on D...at least after he makes a play on O (lol smh, but he's a rookie). Was surprised he only had 1A in the boxscore, at least 2-3 were fouls b4 buckets & there were a few misses on a few others - might have had 4-5
But good to hear about Barrett  
Anakim : 7/10/2019 10:40 pm : link
Just tuned in to see Tom Coughlin's favorite Flava Flav
I get that it makes the shortest 3 a little harder  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:42 pm : link
but I kinda wish they would just widen the floor. Who wants to see all these TOs for stepping OB all the time...vs actual made buckets? For all the desire to speed games and help O this would just that
Knox is the story this game so far tho  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:46 pm : link
6-11, 6-6 FTs, 7R, 2A, 1Stl

Very aggressive all game

Mitch did what he does, 5-5, 7R, 4B

Allen w/ about the best game he can have, 4-4, 5A, 2R, 1A. Still a decent defender at least SL level. (Again, 'can't wait' for Payton, believe it or not)
Fn sweet  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:47 pm : link
Back to stupid split screen. Yes, that's why we watch - the interviews w/ asst coaches, not the game. Dumbasses
Ignas is everywhere  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 10:52 pm : link
Also that was a real nice break. One of those 'ball doesn't touch the ground' the length of the court

Ignas boards, to KK at half, to Cavanaugh at the rim / layup oop
RJ stat of the night (thru 3 qtrs so far)  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 11:03 pm : link
0 TOs
Iggy looks great.  
bceagle05 : 7/10/2019 11:07 pm : link
The two rookies take basketball very seriously. Sounds ridiculous to say, but that's where the bar is for me - a lot of other recent and current Knicks always seem like they're just picking up their paycheck.
Consolation game  
GMEN46 : 7/10/2019 11:09 pm : link
Will knicks get one more game in summer league or is this it?
RJ w/ a nice all righty drive  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 11:10 pm : link
n bucket

then a bad TO in the paint...
Probably done for the night  
nygiants16 : 7/10/2019 11:14 pm : link
rj 21 10 and 3, his shooting percentage was not great but he got fouled on a few drives that were not called..he is going to live in the paint his rookie year until he gets more confident with that jumper

knox 25 and 7, he looks a lot.more confident driving to the hoop and his jumper looks smooth..
The whole starting five looked good last night.  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2019 6:16 am : link
Back to the OP, whatís the latest on Morris?
Per  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 7:51 am : link
Berman, Bullock has plantar fasciitis that might need surgery

-Rich Paul was pushing Davis to the Knicks "as hard" as the Lakers

-Wanted the Knicks to trade back and take Garland

-Offer to Morris is 1 for 14.8
RE: Per  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2019 8:06 am : link
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-Rich Paul was pushing Davis to the Knicks "as hard" as the Lakers



Absolutely no one believes this
RE: RE: Per  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 8:22 am : link
In comment 14496472 Greg from LI said:
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-Rich Paul was pushing Davis to the Knicks "as hard" as the Lakers




Absolutely no one believes this


there were reports if this before the trade but yeah i dont believe it, i believe davis wanted a big market but this was a clear power move by klutch to get lebron a running mate
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 8:29 am : link
"Scoring 30 meant too much to Melo."

Chauncey Billups shares why he thinks Melo isn't in the NBA anymore.
More from Berman  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 8:31 am : link
Barrett and second-round pick Ignas Brazdeikis (16 points, four rebounds, three assists) have a lot to think about after the summer league.
Do they represent their countries in the World Cup in August? Or do they choose to rest, relax and work out with Knicks coaches?

In Brazdeikisí case, the Michigan second-round pick has been contemplating suiting up for his native Lithuania, according to an industry source. Like Barrett, Brazdeikis grew up in Canada.

Barrett was asked where he stands on playing for his country. As much as he has New York blood, he is Canadian first and was part of the countryís 18- and 17-and-under national teams.

ďI havenít thought about it much,íí Barrett said. ďIím trying to get through the summer league first [before making a decision].íí

SEE ALSO

Knicksí Ignas Brazdeikis always has silenced the doubters
Team Canada, according to the source, hopes he plays. That Rowan Barrett, RJís father, had been a key player for Team Canada in years past could weigh in the favor of him playing in the event held in China beginning in late August. Rowan Barrett was teammates with Steve Nash on Team Canada.

Davis  
TyreeHelmet : 7/11/2019 8:35 am : link
I donít believe that line from Berman for one second. But looking back, do you think free agency is different for the Knicks if they had Davis on the roster?

They would have had Davis and probably just enough room for 2 max spots. Would that have made Kyrie and KD consider the Knicks? Would Leonard have been open to playing with Davis? He was searching for a 2nd star to play with - spoke to Durant and Butler before George.

I know he was a lock for the Lakers but itís an interesting scenario to think of. It would have taken massive balls but imagine if they pulled in Davis and Kawhi this offseason....
RE: Davis  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14496486 TyreeHelmet said:
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I donít believe that line from Berman for one second. But looking back, do you think free agency is different for the Knicks if they had Davis on the roster?

They would have had Davis and probably just enough room for 2 max spots. Would that have made Kyrie and KD consider the Knicks? Would Leonard have been open to playing with Davis? He was searching for a 2nd star to play with - spoke to Durant and Butler before George.

I know he was a lock for the Lakers but itís an interesting scenario to think of. It would have taken massive balls but imagine if they pulled in Davis and Kawhi this offseason....


if he was not represented by klutch i dont think he is as adamant about grtting to the lakers and i dknt think the lakers cam take that risk by trading for him...

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Leaving Las Vegas one last note - sounds like a few folks in and out of the knicks organization think that the Marcus Morris deal will happen.
I find it hard to believe Morris will sign here to sit behind  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 11:39 am : link
some 19/20-year-olds, regardless of money. He's a legit NBA starter in his prime, and he wants to up his value for next year's weaker FA class.
And I'm not doubting the rumors...  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 11:42 am : link
just saying that I'd expect him to be a starter on the Knicks, along with Randle and Mitch in the front court.
Agree- I think that if Morris is acquired,  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2019 11:56 am : link
he starts and Knox comes off the bench. Knox wonít like that but itís not bad in my view.
will be intresting how fiz does this  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 12:00 pm : link
you got vets that want to play and deserve tonplay, you got young kids that are your future..

I still expect smith barrett knox randle robinson
Adding Morris would at least allow me to ENTERTAIN  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 12:12 pm : link
the possibility of making the playoffs, for whatever that's worth with a bunch of vets on one-year deals. I feel like they're just trying to win more games than the Nets this season until the young guys develop more.
RE: will be intresting how fiz does this  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14496634 nygiants16 said:
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you got vets that want to play and deserve tonplay, you got young kids that are your future..

I still expect smith barrett knox randle robinson


I expect that too unless they sign Morris, in which case Knox is replaced by Morris as a starter (is my guess). It wouldn't hurt to mix up the young guys with the vets a little more anyway. The second team could be:

payton ellington knox portis gibson

that leaves a third team including frank, trier, dotson, iggy, ellenson, bullock (I guess there's a question how much he can play)

seems to be a surplus at the 2 and 3 and a shortage at the 5 - Mitch is the only true C on the roster.
RE: I find it hard to believe Morris will sign here to sit behind  
Strahan91 : 7/11/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14496614 bceagle05 said:
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some 19/20-year-olds, regardless of money. He's a legit NBA starter in his prime, and he wants to up his value for next year's weaker FA class.

I don't know that he'd be a starter with the Spurs either. They liked using DeRozan at the 3 last year and Aldridge at the 4 with Forbes and Poltl in there too.
That's true, but DeRozan and Alridge are established players.  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 12:24 pm : link
If the Knicks are going down this road with vets, they might as well try to win games. I have no clue who to start at guard - Smith and Barrett have the highest upside, but you could make a case for guys like Payton, Dotson and Trier if it's a true meritocracy.
Knicks will win all the fights with  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 12:32 pm : link
Morris, Randle, Portis and Taj - nice group of enforcers.
RE: Knicks will win all the fights with  
Heisenberg : 7/11/2019 12:35 pm : link
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Morris, Randle, Portis and Taj - nice group of enforcers.


Oak would approve.
supposedly kevun durant made the warriors give up a 1st  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 12:35 pm : link
in the sign and trade because he didnt like the perception that he was being traded straight up for russell..
RE: That's true, but DeRozan and Alridge are established players.  
Pep22 : 7/11/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14496668 bceagle05 said:
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If the Knicks are going down this road with vets, they might as well try to win games. I have no clue who to start at guard - Smith and Barrett have the highest upside, but you could make a case for guys like Payton, Dotson and Trier if it's a true meritocracy.


One would think the minute allocation would look something like this:

PG: DSJ 28, Payton 20
SG: RJB 26, Trier 22
SF: Morris 18, Knox 24, Iggy or Dot to fight for scraps
PF: Randle 30, Portis 10, Morris 8
C: Robinson 22, Portis 12, Gibson 14

Obviously, guys can play their way in and out of minutes.
RE: supposedly kevun durant made the warriors give up a 1st  
Strahan91 : 7/11/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14496686 nygiants16 said:
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in the sign and trade because he didnt like the perception that he was being traded straight up for russell..

he has some seriously thin skin
RE: RE: supposedly kevun durant made the warriors give up a 1st  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14496699 Strahan91 said:
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in the sign and trade because he didnt like the perception that he was being traded straight up for russell..


he has some seriously thin skin


i dont think he realizes how big the split is between nets and knicks. I think he thinks he will get the same love whether with nets or knicks
Elfrid Payton can and has been a starter.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/11/2019 1:19 pm : link
I dont think it's so clear cut that hes a backup. As a PG, offense-initiator, and game manager, hes arguably better than Smith. I expect payton to push hard for that job.
I'd be surprised if the starters are all of the young guys.  
JustaDiscussion : 7/11/2019 2:00 pm : link
It would seem to fly in the face of the idea that the players have to earn their minutes, which I thought was what the organization was promoting this year. Probability would suggest that some of the vets would win starter spots.

I'm also curious whether Fiz will actually stick with a starting line-up this season. Last season it seemed to change every few weeks. I'm going to wait for pre-season to make any starting line up predictions or assume anyone will be relegated to the bench. Just like last year, it seems like the Knicks have 15 players all who have similar skill levels, or at least that potential, so playing time will be difficult to allocate.
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Del Shofner : 7/11/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14496745 JustaDiscussion said:
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I'm going to wait for pre-season to make any starting line up predictions or assume anyone will be relegated to the bench.


Of course you're right to do so. But it's fun to guess, so here's my current thinking assuming Morris is signed:

1st team:

Mitch-Randle-Morris-RJ-Payton

2nd team:

Portis-Iggy-Knox-Ellingon-DSJ

Occasional minutes:

Gibson-Trier-Dotson-Bullock-[big man not on roster yet]
RE: RE: That's true, but DeRozan and Alridge are established players.  
TyreeHelmet : 7/11/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14496689 Pep22 said:
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If the Knicks are going down this road with vets, they might as well try to win games. I have no clue who to start at guard - Smith and Barrett have the highest upside, but you could make a case for guys like Payton, Dotson and Trier if it's a true meritocracy.



One would think the minute allocation would look something like this:

PG: DSJ 28, Payton 20
SG: RJB 26, Trier 22
SF: Morris 18, Knox 24, Iggy or Dot to fight for scraps
PF: Randle 30, Portis 10, Morris 8
C: Robinson 22, Portis 12, Gibson 14

Obviously, guys can play their way in and out of minutes.


The 4 young guys need more minutes than that. And thatís going to be a cramped floor for that starting 5.

I donít understand this Morris signing at all or this entire offseason but thatís a different story. Why not just keep the 15million or cap space and move on from Bullock too? There are no NBA teams with substantial cap space. When teams want to make a trade and need a 3rd team with space to facilitate - that could put the Knicks in a good position. But who needs more picks when you can sign your 5th power forward instead.
Robinson  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 2:23 pm : link
with 0 uptick in minutes? Yuck
RE: Robinson  
Pep22 : 7/11/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14496755 DanMetroMan said:
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with 0 uptick in minutes? Yuck


"Obviously, guys can play their way in and out of minutes."

Also, as much as we all like him, with his foul rate its unlikely he gets near 30 min.
RE: RE: Robinson  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14496757 Pep22 said:
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with 0 uptick in minutes? Yuck



"Obviously, guys can play their way in and out of minutes."

Also, as much as we all like him, with his foul rate its unlikely he gets near 30 min.


He played 20.6 minutes per game last season including 17.8 first half, so you're basically suggesting he's going to play less than he did last year once joining the rotation? Foul trouble or not that would be terrible.
Averaged 25.3  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 2:37 pm : link
minutes per game second half
RE: RE: RE: That's true, but DeRozan and Alridge are established players.  
Pep22 : 7/11/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14496754 TyreeHelmet said:
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If the Knicks are going down this road with vets, they might as well try to win games. I have no clue who to start at guard - Smith and Barrett have the highest upside, but you could make a case for guys like Payton, Dotson and Trier if it's a true meritocracy.



One would think the minute allocation would look something like this:

PG: DSJ 28, Payton 20
SG: RJB 26, Trier 22
SF: Morris 18, Knox 24, Iggy or Dot to fight for scraps
PF: Randle 30, Portis 10, Morris 8
C: Robinson 22, Portis 12, Gibson 14

Obviously, guys can play their way in and out of minutes.



The 4 young guys need more minutes than that. And thatís going to be a cramped floor for that starting 5.

I donít understand this Morris signing at all or this entire offseason but thatís a different story. Why not just keep the 15million or cap space and move on from Bullock too? There are no NBA teams with substantial cap space. When teams want to make a trade and need a 3rd team with space to facilitate - that could put the Knicks in a good position. But who needs more picks when you can sign your 5th power forward instead.


This is not < 2010. They're not all PFs, they're all BIGs. There is 96 minutes a night to allocate among the 5 guys. Randle will get 30 of that. Gibson might get 10. There's 56 left and that isn't factoring the idea that Morris will get minutes at the 3 also. With Morris, your adding toughness, shooting and a trade asset.
RE: RE: RE: Robinson  
Pep22 : 7/11/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14496759 DanMetroMan said:
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with 0 uptick in minutes? Yuck



"Obviously, guys can play their way in and out of minutes."

Also, as much as we all like him, with his foul rate its unlikely he gets near 30 min.



He played 20.6 minutes per game last season including 17.8 first half, so you're basically suggesting he's going to play less than he did last year once joining the rotation? Foul trouble or not that would be terrible.


If the 3 minutes is going to keep you up tonight, there you go:

PG: DSJ 28, Payton 20
SG: RJB 26, Trier 22
SF: Morris 18, Knox 24, Iggy or Dot to fight for scraps
PF: Randle 30, Portis 10, Morris 8
C: Robinson 26, Portis 8, Gibson 14
Tho it's always a talking point, atm the roster is amorphous  
ChaChing : 7/11/2019 3:11 pm : link
given all the new and or young bodies. This is going to be more about fit on the floor and who works best together. And at first, it very likely might be about 2-3 guys more than 5 because we're that early in the season & with this roster

So IMO DSJ is an unlikely starter, tho if his shot has improved, that might make him the scoring choice over EP. Even so EP starts as the better playmaker. Then the only other definite starter is Randle at 4

Mitch should get the most minutes at 5, but with 2 guys better on O it won't be that simple. As mentioned if he doesn't get fouls in control it takes care of itself minutes-wise

Then RJ you think starts at 2, but the others are better shooters. So does Dot get the nod early being the best 2-way of those? Or Trier if they need more scoring? If either has improved this offseason, both have a shot outside of #3 pick taking priority

The 3 becomes much clearer without Morris. But iirc he's the best defender and solid all around. Knox then Iggy & Dot certainly need some minutes. Tho I bet Dot in particular plays some 2

Which is my last point, especially w/ the breakdown of set positions, there's gonna be a lot more overlap & grey area for positions. It's conceivable RJ / Iggy / KK do what Vonleh was doing from the 4-5 & bring the ball up. With EP the lone passing PG, this might be a more common in game move, even aside from the mandate to break. As people have said, there's a lot on Fizzy this time, interesting to see how he does
Assist percentage is an NBA stat  
shyster : 7/11/2019 4:12 pm : link
Signifies the percentage of teammates' field goals that you assist on while you are on the floor.

Payton did have a higher assist percentage than DSJ last year but not by a lot -- 32 percent to 28 percent.

I find this stat to be pretty illuminating. Knox was abysmal. Ranked 441 out of 510 players who saw any NBA playing time. My biggest concern about his game.



Link to stat  
shyster : 7/11/2019 4:13 pm : link
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I wouldn't waste much  
Enzo : 7/11/2019 4:17 pm : link
time trying to figure out this rotation. There's simply way too many guys. I'm only sorta confident that two guys will get big minutes - Randle and Mitch. And even Mitch you can't be sure about since you never know if/when he'll be in foul trouble (maybe he improves in this area).
I just want an actual rotation this year.  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 4:24 pm : link
It's time to raise the bar on Fizdale a bit - no more playing 15 guys and "evaluating" rotations for the entire season. I got so tired of Dotson (and several others) playing 40 minutes one game and getting DNPs the next two. I think it's time to start resembling a professional basketball team.
Fiz  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 4:26 pm : link
sucked last year. Sure the talent did too but he didn't do a good job. He'd be on the hot seat for me after the season if the young players don't take a step forward.
Fair enough shyster. Good addition w/ that stat  
ChaChing : 7/11/2019 4:28 pm : link
I'd rather DSJ becomes the long term PG because he seems to have a fairly high ceiling still, esp as a scorer. And it could be Payton comes off the bench for a little more stability on the floor

While the starting group can do more with DSJ in theory even if he is a lesser floor general atm (I'd think atm) - Randle can do a lot with the ball, Portis too. Then KK / RJ aren't PG dependent either...tho you'd think we need less scoring if that was the 4, while PG / handle isn't a requirement

Again it's gonna be who works best - best PnR pairs, best trio on the strong side, best motor & team D if not just best choice to defend specific players. Gonna need a shooter or 2 which they seem to have more now, be it strong or weakside. Likely a lot of changes & experimentation early
My  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 4:29 pm : link
fear is Fitz putting DSJ on the bench as a "scorer". He's either a PG or he's not an NBA player.
RE: supposedly kevun durant made the warriors give up a 1st  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/11/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14496686 nygiants16 said:
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in the sign and trade because he didnt like the perception that he was being traded straight up for russell..

How does that make sense? He didn't like the perception that he was being traded straight up for Russell so instead he wanted the perception to be that he's not even good enough to be traded straight up for Russell, the GSW had to kick in a 1st rounder?

Obviously GSW wasn't kicking in a 1st because Russell is in any way more valuable than Durant (except for next season), but how does KD's (self-)perceived value increase by GSW including a 1st?
I think with more established vets  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 4:53 pm : link
Fiz has to esablish a set rotation..

RE: My  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14496820 DanMetroMan said:
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fear is Fitz putting DSJ on the bench as a "scorer". He's either a PG or he's not an NBA player.


knicks do not need a scorer off the bench, with trier off the bench..
Begley adds the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 4:56 pm : link
view Morris and Bullock signings as "likely."
RE: RE: supposedly kevun durant made the warriors give up a 1st  
Strahan91 : 7/11/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14496834 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14496686 nygiants16 said:


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in the sign and trade because he didnt like the perception that he was being traded straight up for russell..


How does that make sense? He didn't like the perception that he was being traded straight up for Russell so instead he wanted the perception to be that he's not even good enough to be traded straight up for Russell, the GSW had to kick in a 1st rounder?

Obviously GSW wasn't kicking in a 1st because Russell is in any way more valuable than Durant (except for next season), but how does KD's (self-)perceived value increase by GSW including a 1st?

Windhorst wasn't clear on this point. My guess is it was about perception. It looked like Russell was being traded for the pick and not Durant straight up.
RE: RE: My  
DanMetroMan : 7/11/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14496842 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14496820 DanMetroMan said:


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fear is Fitz putting DSJ on the bench as a "scorer". He's either a PG or he's not an NBA player.



knicks do not need a scorer off the bench, with trier off the bench..


Trier was a perfect example of extremely odd messaging from Fitz... I like Trier but why was he given a different set of rules within the system?
With Durant having a player option for the 4th year  
dep026 : 7/11/2019 6:12 pm : link
The timeline for the Nets to basically convince him to stay isat most 2 years. Next year is a wash. The year afterwill be his first competitive b-ball in 16 months and probably wonít be the favorites in the east.

That signing is going to come back and haunt Brooklyn.
What haunts them?  
hitdog42 : 7/11/2019 6:22 pm : link
They gave up nothing- swapped Irving and dlo-
Kept youth and picks- and added prince.
They lost vets.
I struggle to understand what they are going to miss out on?
And if heís healthy and it hits- fantastic.
RE: With Durant having a player option for the 4th year  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14496885 dep026 said:
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The timeline for the Nets to basically convince him to stay isat most 2 years. Next year is a wash. The year afterwill be his first competitive b-ball in 16 months and probably wonít be the favorites in the east.

That signing is going to come back and haunt Brooklyn.


he will probably end his career in brooklyn
RE: What haunts them?  
TyreeHelmet : 7/11/2019 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14496892 hitdog42 said:
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They gave up nothing- swapped Irving and dlo-
Kept youth and picks- and added prince.
They lost vets.
I struggle to understand what they are going to miss out on?
And if heís healthy and it hits- fantastic.


Exactly. I never understood the argument that it was a risky signing. The reward far outweighs any risk. You are getting one of the one of the best players to ever play the game from ages 32-34 at a minimum. And they got a first round pick in return.

Itís actually sad and ironic the Nets were the ones getting a 1st and 2 max players while the Knicks struck out in both...
Knicks officially sign Morris  
Strahan91 : 7/11/2019 7:33 pm : link
per Shams
RE: RE: What haunts them?  
Strahan91 : 7/11/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14496929 TyreeHelmet said:
Quote:
In comment 14496892 hitdog42 said:


Quote:


They gave up nothing- swapped Irving and dlo-
Kept youth and picks- and added prince.
They lost vets.
I struggle to understand what they are going to miss out on?
And if heís healthy and it hits- fantastic.



Exactly. I never understood the argument that it was a risky signing. The reward far outweighs any risk. You are getting one of the one of the best players to ever play the game from ages 32-34 at a minimum. And they got a first round pick in return.

Itís actually sad and ironic the Nets were the ones getting a 1st and 2 max players while the Knicks struck out in both...

You sound like SAS. Maybe consider becoming a Nets fan?
It's hardly a first round pick.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/11/2019 7:40 pm : link
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