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NFT: Marcus Morris to the Knicks?

Anakim : 7/9/2019 4:42 pm
Adrian Wojnarowski
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Reporting with
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: Free agent Marcus Morris -- who committed to a two-year, $20M Spurs deal w/ player option -- is re-considering agreement. Morris is now considering a free agent deal with Knicks, who'll have additional cap space with reworking of Bullock deal.
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Strahan91 posted it first  
Anakim : 7/9/2019 4:44 pm : link
But I would think Marcus Morris would be a MUCH better signing than Reggie Bullock. I mean we don't need another PF, but Morris is a better player.
I'd rather not sign a guy who I will have to play, perhaps  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/9/2019 4:44 pm : link
at expense of kids. Of all the guys they signed, they only ones they really have to play are Randle and Payton.
Serious question: Why?  
81_Great_Dane : 7/9/2019 4:45 pm : link
I mean, he's going to be 30, so he's not a long-term addition. What does he bring to the Knicks? Not familiar with him.
RE: Strahan91 posted it first  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14495458 Anakim said:
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But I would think Marcus Morris would be a MUCH better signing than Reggie Bullock. I mean we don't need another PF, but Morris is a better player.


Sounds like both... and enough vets already jeez.
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Anakim : 7/9/2019 4:49 pm : link
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes

Yahoo Sources: New York Knicks have a one-year, roughly $15 million offer on the table for Marcus Morris who is considering reneging on his two-year, $20 million agreement with San Antonio.
RE: Serious question: Why?  
Heisenberg : 7/9/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14495465 81_Great_Dane said:
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I mean, he's going to be 30, so he's not a long-term addition. What does he bring to the Knicks? Not familiar with him.


He's a really solid all around player.
They could probably get something for him at the deadline  
Strahan91 : 7/9/2019 4:52 pm : link
if they're out of it.
He's tough and is pretty good all-around  
Bill L : 7/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
can hit the three. He's a bit of a black hole sometimes but that's okay. I really liked him on my team and a little sad he's gone.
this is nice to read  
Strahan91 : 7/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
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In a brief conversation with ESPN, Bauman was complimentary of how the Knicks handled this emerging situation with Bullock. He cited how accommodating ownership, front office and medical staff had been in dealing with new issues facing deal: ďFirst-class throughout,Ē Bauman said.
He'd be a good trade piece at the deadline.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
Beyond that all these vets don't make a whole lot of sense.
RE: They could probably get something for him at the deadline  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14495475 Strahan91 said:
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if they're out of it.


True. I'd also add when they're out of it.
He's a pro  
Bill L : 7/9/2019 4:54 pm : link
and pro's are good to have as examples and role models when you are building with youth.
Would be a really good signing  
Italianju : 7/9/2019 4:55 pm : link
Except I donít know where the minutes come from. I was ok with randle, Portis and Gibson cause we needed bigs but not sure where another one fits. They better not sign him and relegate Mitch to the bench.
RE: He's a pro  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14495481 Bill L said:
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and pro's are good to have as examples and role models when you are building with youth.


They have enough of those as it is.

Ellington, Gibson, Portis, Bullock assuming he's deal goes through, Payton.
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DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 4:57 pm : link
Randle/Robinson should get heavy minutes, Knox is going to see some time at the 4, Gibson will play, Portis will play, this will be silly with Morris too. These guys aren't coming here to ride the pine and stay quiet.
RE: RE: He's a pro  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/9/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14495485 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14495481 Bill L said:


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and pro's are good to have as examples and role models when you are building with youth.



They have enough of those as it is.

Ellington, Gibson, Portis, Bullock assuming he's deal goes through, Payton.


Morris is better than any of those guys right now. That's why I doubt he'd be amenable to sitting on the bench if/when the Knicks need to play kids.
Morris would be a highly tradeable asset on a one year deal  
Heisenberg : 7/9/2019 5:01 pm : link
And he's better than the rest of the vets that they've signed, IMO. It's a good use of cap space
Problem  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2019 5:04 pm : link
Is that 2 of the main competitors this year (clippers and lakers) who need depth will not be able to trade picks to Knicks. Also would be hard for teams to match $15 mil per year in contracts if they have 2 or 3 max guys.
I'll say this...  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 5:05 pm : link
I do not want all of the kids starting. Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle and Mitch is a horrific shooting and defensive lineup, even if they are the highest upside young guys. A mix of vets and young guys in the starting lineup and the bench would be a good thing.
RE: I'll say this...  
Del Shofner : 7/9/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14495499 bceagle05 said:
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I do not want all of the kids starting. Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle and Mitch is a horrific shooting and defensive lineup, even if they are the highest upside young guys. A mix of vets and young guys in the starting lineup and the bench would be a good thing.


I have been thinking about this and I agree. The kids will need to be split up between the first and second teams and mixed in with the vets. I have no strong view about getting Morris but he does seem a little redundant unless one of the other guys is going to play more C than PF - but if he's better than them, he's not redundant I guess.
Mitch  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 5:10 pm : link
needs heavy minutes, his "flaws" can only improve with burn, not practice time. Barrett looks less than ready to play "huge" minutes but the kids outside of Frank will 100% play. Lets see if Fiz is actually a good coach or a big mouth.
Mitch is the only guy I'd lock into the starting lineup.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 5:11 pm : link
Beyond that I'd be receptive to different combinations. Marcus Morris would definitely start at one of the forward spots, if he signs.
Morris  
TommyWiseau : 7/9/2019 5:12 pm : link
provides defense, some decent shooting ability and a non stop motor. I would welcome him here on a 1 year deal. Someone will bite at the deadline.
Morris can also play the 3 a little bit  
nygiants16 : 7/9/2019 5:13 pm : link
..
If we steal a FA signing from RC Buford  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 5:27 pm : link
we should hang a banner for it.
RE: If we steal a FA signing from RC Buford  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14495517 bceagle05 said:
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we should hang a banner for it.


Seems like it's simply a $ grab. 15 million for 1 year vs. 2 for 20 including the player option. Probably betting on himself.
Was gonna say, iirc Morris is a solid defender  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 5:30 pm : link
While I love the pro pickups, NYK has close to nothing on D. I would have gone after him first, but assumed he wanted a better team

It's tough to build a culture with no one who reflects it - so my one gripe with this team is how do you build a D mindset w/ no defenders or min D bball IQ?

I'd be glad to grab him. At least more than anyone not named Randle
Line up  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2019 5:31 pm : link
I think you need a good mix of vets and young guys. They will have to move some of these guys in December/January there will not be any time for these guys to play. I would think that frank is all but gone by now. My first take in starting line up:

PG - Payton
SG - Barrett
SF - Knox
PF - Randle
C - Mitch

The one thing I will say is they have Mitch locked up for 3 more years, they may take their time with him and only play him 24-28 mins a game. Defensively that is a really bad line up, maybe Knox comes off the bench.

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Del Shofner : 7/9/2019 5:37 pm : link
Morris is seven minutes younger than his identical twin brother, Markieff. He is a fan of his hometown Philadelphia Eagles while Markieff roots for the rival Dallas Cowboys.[30]
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DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 5:37 pm : link
Spurs expect Morris to still sign per Haynes
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widmerseyebrow : 7/9/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14495531 Del Shofner said:
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Morris is seven minutes younger than his identical twin brother, Markieff. He is a fan of his hometown Philadelphia Eagles while Markieff roots for the rival Dallas Cowboys.[30]


Sounds like a pair of shit bags.
Unrelated  
DanMetroMan : 7/9/2019 5:43 pm : link
but teams messed up passing on Fall. He's going to be a limited minute specialist but he moves "well" for that size and will have an impact. Lucky Celtics.
RE: RE: If we steal a FA signing from RC Buford  
Strahan91 : 7/9/2019 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14495518 DanMetroMan said:
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we should hang a banner for it.



Seems like it's simply a $ grab. 15 million for 1 year vs. 2 for 20 including the player option. Probably betting on himself.

If you factor in the income tax differences though it's only a ~$1.5M or so difference
RE: RE: RE: If we steal a FA signing from RC Buford  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/9/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14495549 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14495518 DanMetroMan said:


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In comment 14495517 bceagle05 said:


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we should hang a banner for it.



Seems like it's simply a $ grab. 15 million for 1 year vs. 2 for 20 including the player option. Probably betting on himself.


If you factor in the income tax differences though it's only a ~$1.5M or so difference

A million here, a million there. Pretty soon youíre talking real money.

Anyway, itís more like $2.5M.

RE: RE: I'll say this...  
mfsd : 7/9/2019 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14495501 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 14495499 bceagle05 said:


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I do not want all of the kids starting. Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle and Mitch is a horrific shooting and defensive lineup, even if they are the highest upside young guys. A mix of vets and young guys in the starting lineup and the bench would be a good thing.



I have been thinking about this and I agree. The kids will need to be split up between the first and second teams and mixed in with the vets. I have no strong view about getting Morris but he does seem a little redundant unless one of the other guys is going to play more C than PF - but if he's better than them, he's not redundant I guess.


Good points here. On one hand, my reaction is cool, Knicks are back to trying to play .500 and compete for the 8 seed.

But another full tank season throwing the kids to the wolves may actually stunt their growth.

Don't feel too strongly either way about any of the guys we've signed, but at least the front office had a plan B if they whiffed on the max guys - fill out roster with vet competitors on short tradeable deals, don't blow up cap space with another Amare type signing.
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 7/9/2019 8:29 pm : link
Where are they playing on all these bigs? You really want to limit Robinson to 20-25 mins a game? He needs to play major minutes. And if they believe in Portis and Randle- they need to play major minutes.

What happened to develop the young players? And if they are signing them to trade them- what do they reasonably expect to get back?

I donít understand the point of this signing or the overall strategy. Atleast this guy can defend and is actually tough.
They definitely went a little overboard with the FA signings.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 9:05 pm : link
I donít think Ellington and Portis serve much purpose as stopgaps.

Randle, Taj, Bullock, Payton and maybe Morris would be fine along with the young guys. Keep a spot or two open for the Summer League crew to earn.
i wonder if there was some research done...  
Italianju : 7/9/2019 9:09 pm : link
by the FO on in season trades vs offseason. Like did they think they would get more value by signing a guy and trading him during the season vs absorbing a guy into capspace. I have not looked at all into this, just was thinking about it.

Id take Morris, i mean guys will get hurt. And maybe he just takes Gibson's minutes, id be ok with that.

Will be interesting to see how fizdale does this year. I mean mock the knicks all you want but there is a lot more talent on this team. It shouldnt win 17 games.
Knicks game is not on tv?  
GMEN46 : 7/9/2019 9:30 pm : link
What happened itís in espn3 I didnít even know there was an espn3
RE: Knicks game is not on tv?  
Stu11 : 7/9/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14495627 GMEN46 said:
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What happened itís in espn3 I didnít even know there was an espn3

It's the ESPN streaming service. Used to be called watch ESPN
RE: Knicks game is not on tv?  
Strahan91 : 7/9/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14495627 GMEN46 said:
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What happened itís in espn3 I didnít even know there was an espn3

it's on msg and nbatv
RJ looks way better  
Jon in NYC : 7/9/2019 9:57 pm : link
He airballed a 3 but is playing better D, not forcing stuff and got to the rim twice.
Knicks are always the dumber of the 2 teams  
ghost718 : 7/9/2019 10:07 pm : link
and Knox starts chuckin',gets pulled,comes back and makes 1 pass,than back to chuckin
Barrett tackled by three guys. No foul.  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 10:23 pm : link
But let's call 400 moving screens.
Barrett has made some nice passes  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/9/2019 10:24 pm : link
Knox has looked very last season.
RE: Barrett tackled by three guys. No foul.  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14495651 bceagle05 said:
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But let's call 400 moving screens.

True, but that was a 1-4 from the moment he started attacking. The play there was moving the ball

Not so impressed w/ him today so far either. He's forced less bad plays & passed a little more from the first 2 games so that's something. But again it's SL - even if on fire the experience & process is what matters most atm
Kadeem Allen  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 10:37 pm : link
has me longing for the days of Chasson Randle.
Nice to see KK & Iggy w/ confidence (#s or not)  
ChaChing : 7/9/2019 10:38 pm : link
A little disappointed Mitch seems kinda as ooc as last year. Positioning is inconsistent, lots of fouls, that run of goaltends last game. He'll be fine but that's the biggest improvement I'm hoping from last season

We'll enjoy having a decent pass-first PG tho Payton isn't an allstar. Years of Gs inability to get the ball to the right spots, if not just to the wing or post. This is SL but it's awful for NYK. Kadeem is serviceable for THIS level...maybe. Kinda speaks to why we'd have Vonleh bring it up at times last season
My Overreaction from Summer League  
Nine-Tails : 7/9/2019 10:41 pm : link
Tyler Herro > RJ Barrett. The Heat got the next Devin Booker and RJ is the next Shabazz Muhammad.
RE: My Overreaction from Summer League  
bceagle05 : 7/9/2019 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14495659 Nine-Tails said:
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Tyler Herro > RJ Barrett. The Heat got the next Devin Booker and RJ is the next Shabazz Muhammad.

You should call every GM in the league and ask them which they'd rather have.
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