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Giants Center, Guards one of best in league (Boomer)

joeinpa : 7/10/2019 7:10 am
In identifying one of the Mets woes, Boomer was making the point how good teams in hockey, baseball and football are strong up the middle.

In the discussion he mentioned how Gettleman gets this and that the Giants trio of center and guards might become one of the best in the league. “These guys are beasts”

I understand from other points of Boomer shared here, I m one of the few that values his opinions,

But there it is.

Halapio (sp) was the center he specifically mentioned.
pretty sure that has more to do with the guards  
Rocky369 : 7/10/2019 7:19 am : link
then really praising/valuing Halapio. I didn't hear his name mentioned, but I did hear Mawae's name on the same subject. There's no way Halapio is on par with Mawae.
Not for or against him but  
superspynyg : 7/10/2019 7:21 am : link
That cant be true.. according to some on this site, our center is a weak point (which I don't agree). With our two guards we now have a very strong middle and our tackles do not have to worry about helping out the guards this year and can focus on their responsibilities.

as for the Mets, I am not a fan but they have a strong middle in field to build around. McNeil is an all star and Rosario is improving. Add a superstar in Alonzo at 1b and you just need to add a 3b.
Guards are a major strength  
George from PA : 7/10/2019 7:46 am : link
And I hopeful at center
Center  
ColHowPepper : 7/10/2019 7:52 am : link
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That cant be true.. according to some on this site, our center is a weak point (which I don't agree).
The undeniable facts are that Halapio has had less than a journeyman's career to date, bouncing around four teams, five stops, with little playing time and that mostly at G (if I recall), waived by each, up until now. His distinguished playing career at C with NYG:one game +. Center position remains a significant ?? and potential weakness.
The talent upgrade along the OL has been remarkable  
BillT : 7/10/2019 7:54 am : link
In two seasons DG has rebuilt an OL that was terrible for years. Can’t wait to see Saquon run behind it.
If the current centers don't pan out  
Jay in Toronto : 7/10/2019 7:57 am : link
I hope we get Tyler Biadasz of the Badgers.
Anyone else couldn’t  
Big Blue '56 : 7/10/2019 8:00 am : link
care less about Boomer’s opinions or am I alone in this?
who couldn’t  
Big Blue '56 : 7/10/2019 8:02 am : link
.
The guards are clearly a strength of the Giants ol. I think we'll  
Ira : 7/10/2019 8:09 am : link
have one of the best pair of guards in the league. I think the jury's still out on Halapio/Pulley at center. At this point, I'm not expecting too much, but one of them might do well.

Bruce, you're never alone, especially when it comes to being annoyed by Boomer.
RE: The talent upgrade along the OL has been remarkable  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 8:19 am : link
In comment 14495743 BillT said:
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In two seasons DG has rebuilt an OL that was terrible for years. Can’t wait to see Saquon run behind it.


I'm not sold yet. Our RT is and Center are questionable. Our guards are fantastic compared to years pass. We are still missing pieces on the line.

Jalapio will be just a JAG to me until he proves otherwise.
RE: Anyone else couldn’t  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/10/2019 8:19 am : link
In comment 14495746 Big Blue '56 said:
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care less about Boomer’s opinions or am I alone in this?


well since Boomer is frequently wrong and off the mark -- this worries me
The OC performance  
Sy'56 : 7/10/2019 8:20 am : link
is going to make or break this OL....and ultimately the offense as a whole
Pio gets a lot of love for a guy who's barely played  
Dave : 7/10/2019 8:30 am : link
while Pulley was the one in there down the stretch when the OL played better.
personally, I'd like to see brown or o'hagen surprise
RE: The OC performance  
Klaatu : 7/10/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14495755 Sy'56 said:
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is going to make or break this OL....and ultimately the offense as a whole


Agreed. Halapio may turn out to be a capable Center - maybe even a good one - but he could just as easily crash and burn, taking the rest of the O-Line with him.

Spencer Pulley is average at best (and that's being charitable), and Brown, O'Hagan...who knows?
Guards? Sure...  
M.S. : 7/10/2019 8:35 am : link

...but Center?

WTF?

Jon Halapio hasn't done jack-shit.

He's a journeyman who has got a lot to prove.

More likely than not Gettleman goes Center in Round One or Two next season.

PFF gave him praise for not  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 8:41 am : link
letting any pressures the first 2 games he played.

I felt when watching the games all the pressure was coming from up the middle of the line. Whether that was Halapio, Omameh, Hernandez, or Barkley's fault is all debatable.

Too me (having played center my entire playing career), the center has to help those other players out. It feels like he is getting a free pass because they didn't specifically go after him defensively, but should be getting a chip in or going after someone if he is free.

The whole middle of our blocking scheme was terrible the beginning of the year.
It doesn't  
mittenedman : 7/10/2019 8:46 am : link
get much better than Hernandez and Zeitler at G. Both of these guys play angry, mean football and have the athleticism to back it up.

I liked what I saw from Halapio last year. I get why people are questioning him - he has no track record and got injured right away. But Barkley had some running room right up the gut in both the JAC & DAL games last year - I know because I was studying Hernandez's play early in the year.

In that DAL game specifically, I thought Shurmur got away from the run too early, because they were having success running behind Halapio to open the game.

He's big and physical and he's always looking to hit somebody.
Bigblueshore  
mittenedman : 7/10/2019 8:50 am : link
Funny how people can have such different takes - I thought Halapio looked very active helping out. IIRC it was Omameh & Flowers having zero ability to handle stunts & Flowers in general being unable to handle anything. Everything worked against Flowers.

By the time the right side settled down Halapio was long on IR. But they (O&F) were a dysfunctional mess that made the whole line look incompetent IMO.
The middle was the most important for NFL defenses too  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/10/2019 8:56 am : link
The MLB was the most impactful and important player on D.

Until LT came along and changed the basic geometry of the game,
RE: Bigblueshore  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14495772 mittenedman said:
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Funny how people can have such different takes - I thought Halapio looked very active helping out. IIRC it was Omameh & Flowers having zero ability to handle stunts & Flowers in general being unable to handle anything. Everything worked against Flowers.

By the time the right side settled down Halapio was long on IR. But they (O&F) were a dysfunctional mess that made the whole line look incompetent IMO.


I'm not saying he's going to be terrible, I'm just saying I'm not sold until I see it on the field at this point. Many people including major reporting outlets have a guy that has been with 4 different teams and a handful of in game action to be a breakout super star player. I'm not that confident in his abilities yet. I'd much rather eat crow though.
Not Eli’s only issue for sure,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/10/2019 9:07 am : link
But the middle has been killing Eli for years, a virtual death knell for an immobile QB.
Not sure what to think of Halapio  
Johnny5 : 7/10/2019 9:30 am : link
He was part of one of the worst offensive line performances I ever witnessed in that game against the Cowboys, and then he was hurt pretty badly. That game definitely left a bad taste in my mouth with him. Personally I thought Pulley did an admirable job at the end of the year, and would be helped by having Zeitler and a year two Hernandez next to him.

However... Halapio was praised as the highest rated OL for those first two games if I remember right. Plus the staff loves him, and he gets high praise from LeCharles Bentley (Said he could be a top 5 center). That's cause for optimism.

We already saw OL improvement last year, so even if Halapio can improve upon what Pulley gave, and with better play at LG with Zeitler, 2nd year improvement from Hernandez, and Solder more comfortable? Even with Wheeler as the RT that is still looking like the best OL we have had in a LONG time. And we already saw improvement at the end of last year, with the whole offense. I'll try to remain optimistic here, I think this OL may end up being pretty good if they stay healthy.
RE: The OC performance  
Harvest Blend : 7/10/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14495755 Sy'56 said:
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is going to make or break this OL....and ultimately the offense as a whole


Woah.
We don't need Halapio to be great  
Jay on the Island : 7/10/2019 9:36 am : link
we will settle for league average with Hernandez and Zeitler flanking him.
It's better..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2019 9:54 am : link
for all involved if when Boomer spoke people heard him as if he were an adult in "Peanuts".

Better for all involved....
'That's cause for optimism'  
ColHowPepper : 7/10/2019 10:38 am : link
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However... Halapio was praised as the highest rated OL for those first two games if I remember right. Plus the staff loves him, and he gets high praise from LeCharles Bentley (Said he could be a top 5 center). That's cause for optimism.
Sure it is. And LeCharles praised John Jerry, Weston Richburg (best C in NFL), Schwartz and other OL who are no longer on the team.
RE: The OC performance  
M.S. : 7/10/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14495755 Sy'56 said:
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is going to make or break this OL....and ultimately the offense as a whole


Amen... been saying this for a long time!
Cautiously optimistic  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/10/2019 11:59 am : link
Whatever bum we throw in at C won't be a complete disaster, with better chemistry. Dumping Funeral Flowers has to be addition by subtraction, imagine what a toxic dump player like him does to an oline identity and chemistry.
Oh and the obligatory  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/10/2019 12:00 pm : link
Boomer sux donkey testicles.
When I heard him say that  
Bubba : 7/10/2019 12:09 pm : link
this morning I knew BBI would not let him get away with it.
RE: 'That's cause for optimism'  
Johnny5 : 7/10/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14495850 ColHowPepper said:
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However... Halapio was praised as the highest rated OL for those first two games if I remember right. Plus the staff loves him, and he gets high praise from LeCharles Bentley (Said he could be a top 5 center). That's cause for optimism.

Sure it is. And LeCharles praised John Jerry, Weston Richburg (best C in NFL), Schwartz and other OL who are no longer on the team.

I never heard him praise John Jerry in the same breath as top 5. Same for Schwartz, do you have a link for that? I did hear him talk up players that he coached in his OL program (I'm sure for marketing purposes). I didn't see that Halapio ever attended his training, so those were just observational comments on Halapio as far as I know.

Anyway he's not the first to praise Halapio. And I'm trying to be optimistic, even if he is just slightly better than Pulley that's another overall boost to an already improving (on paper) OL.

And to be fair Weston Richburg looked initially like he was going to be a pretty good center but he just couldn't stay healthy, and had (seemingly a piss poor) attitude.
RE: Cautiously optimistic  
Johnny5 : 7/10/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14495910 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Whatever bum we throw in at C won't be a complete disaster, with better chemistry. Dumping Funeral Flowers has to be addition by subtraction, imagine what a toxic dump player like him does to an oline identity and chemistry.

Funeral Flowers... LOL
RE: Anyone else couldn’t  
Eman11 : 7/10/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14495746 Big Blue '56 said:
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care less about Boomer’s opinions or am I alone in this?


Right there with you BB56.
Pio?  
noro9 : 7/10/2019 5:36 pm : link
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I don't see how  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/10/2019 5:47 pm : link
anyone can reasonably call the situation at center to be anything other than an open question at this point.
It's still a multiyear rebuild  
81_Great_Dane : 7/10/2019 7:16 pm : link
and center will probably be a priority in the 2020 offseason. They'll be in position to sign a veteran free agent, trade for one, and/or draft one.

They'll have other needs as well but they will also have draft picks and lots of cap space, especially if Eli is off the books.
If it plays out that way  
Lines of Scrimmage : 7/10/2019 7:25 pm : link
Eli will at least have time to step up and maneuver if he is receiving outside pressure which will really help the offense. Let's hope this enables Eli to hang in the pocket a little longer like he used to.
We have elite Guards  
Torrag : 7/10/2019 7:33 pm : link
That will help our Center. Personally I'm not a believer in halapio, way too many blown reads and switches. He's clueless after initial contact, incapable of handling two way traffic that a Center must diagnose and react to.

My hope is Pulley beats him out before the season starts. He's the better player.
Pulley stunk  
XBRONX : 7/10/2019 7:35 pm : link
last year. Just read Sy's reviews. He is putrid.
Not sure why Boomer is high on Halapio as a center  
GeofromNJ : 7/10/2019 7:46 pm : link
He's played only one regular season game at center before breaking his ankle/leg in 2018. He started 6 games at RG for the Giants in 2017 after being drafted by the Pats in 2014 and never making any other NFL team's regular roster. Boomer likes his size? He's not overly big (6'2", 317). That said, I hope Halapio outplays Pulley and shows us that he is better than Weston Richburg.
When did  
XBRONX : 7/10/2019 7:53 pm : link
Halapio shrink? He is listed at 6'3" everywhere.
RE: We have elite Guards  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14496254 Torrag said:
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That will help our Center. Personally I'm not a believer in halapio, way too many blown reads and switches. He's clueless after initial contact, incapable of handling two way traffic that a Center must diagnose and react to.

My hope is Pulley beats him out before the season starts. He's the better player.


This is what I was trying to say earlier. You said perfectly.
RE: Not sure why Boomer is high on Halapio as a center  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14496262 GeofromNJ said:
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He's played only one regular season game at center before breaking his ankle/leg in 2018. He started 6 games at RG for the Giants in 2017 after being drafted by the Pats in 2014 and never making any other NFL team's regular roster. Boomer likes his size? He's not overly big (6'2", 317). That said, I hope Halapio outplays Pulley and shows us that he is better than Weston Richburg.


I heard it live. He was saying that the middle of the Oline should be solid. That they rebuilt it. He didn't say Halapio is going to be stud. I don't think he is wrong as the guards are fantastic, and Halapio will probably be ok between them.
Geo  
XBRONX : 7/10/2019 9:07 pm : link
Pio not overly big? Name a bigger starting center weight wise in the NFC.
RE: When I heard him say that  
joeinpa : 7/10/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14495919 Bubba said:
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this morning I knew BBI would not let him get away with it.


Lol. 👍
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