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NFT: Grass Growing Question

Joey from GlenCove : 7/10/2019 10:48 am
I know its the probably one of the worst months of the year to grow grass.

But removed a structure and its 600 sq feet that i needed to repair. I didn't want it to become all weeds.

So laid out new soil, planted grass seed and covered with peat moss. I did not use starter fertilizer since it's too hot.

For watering, i think 1 hour a day until it generates makes sense. In the fall fix anything that didn't grow.

1. Am i watering enough for this time of year?
2. Should i be doing anything else to facilitate healthier grass in this heat?
You can always add some lyme  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 10:51 am : link
it will help the PH levels out and make whatever grass you get look super green.
an hour a day?  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2019 10:53 am : link
that's probably way too much - especially if it's done at one watering.

You are much better off with new grass (if you are even going to try and grow grass in the summer heat - which may be futile anyway) with two to three separate watering sessions of 10 min or so each session so the seeds don't dry out.
Watering  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/10/2019 10:54 am : link
Donít water an hour, at least not all at once. Too much water can hinder germination, and could also wash the seeds away, Ideally you water lightly multiple times a day. Twice at least. The peat moss should help.
RE: Watering  
Joey from GlenCove : 7/10/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14495866 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Donít water an hour, at least not all at once. Too much water can hinder germination, and could also wash the seeds away, Ideally you water lightly multiple times a day. Twice at least. The peat moss should help.


wow okay thank you
Until the grass is tall enough to cut  
jlukes : 7/10/2019 11:00 am : link
you should water enough to keep the soil moist.

This time of year, that is likely to be about 4-6 times per day.
RE: Until the grass is tall enough to cut  
Bockman : 7/10/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14495870 jlukes said:
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you should water enough to keep the soil moist.

This time of year, that is likely to be about 4-6 times per day.


This is the correct response.

Although as you alluded to you in your OP, you were better off just letting the weeds happen, kill them in mid-august, then seed afterwards.

You'll probably have to do that anyway - your grass will probably come in quite patchy, if it survives at all.
RE: RE: Until the grass is tall enough to cut  
jlukes : 7/10/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14495875 Bockman said:
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you should water enough to keep the soil moist.

This time of year, that is likely to be about 4-6 times per day.



This is the correct response.

Although as you alluded to you in your OP, you were better off just letting the weeds happen, kill them in mid-august, then seed afterwards.

You'll probably have to do that anyway - your grass will probably come in quite patchy, if it survives at all.


Yup. Even with frequent watering, the roots won't be deep enough to survive a couple consecutive hot days.

You will need to entirely re-seed in early september.
RE: RE: RE: Until the grass is tall enough to cut  
Bockman : 7/10/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14495878 jlukes said:
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In comment 14495870 jlukes said:


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you should water enough to keep the soil moist.

This time of year, that is likely to be about 4-6 times per day.



This is the correct response.

Although as you alluded to you in your OP, you were better off just letting the weeds happen, kill them in mid-august, then seed afterwards.

You'll probably have to do that anyway - your grass will probably come in quite patchy, if it survives at all.



Yup. Even with frequent watering, the roots won't be deep enough to survive a couple consecutive hot days.

You will need to entirely re-seed in early september.


I could maybe see a world where he had a fine mist spray over the area most of the day for a few weeks and it survived.

But with the temps projected to be over 90 starting next week its a very tall order.
Also get some straw  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 11:26 am : link
to put on top of it, as it will help it retain water after you have watered it.
Sativas and Indicas grow great this time of year  
Eli2020 : 7/10/2019 11:27 am : link
I have no idea what you're talking about.
RE: Also get some straw  
Bockman : 7/10/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14495886 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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to put on top of it, as it will help it retain water after you have watered it.


He already did that with the peat moss. Which, under normal circumstances is the absolute best top-dressing for new seed in my opinion.

Straw usually has so many weed seeds its not worth it, nor does it retain water as much as the PM.
RE: RE: Also get some straw  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 11:35 am : link
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In comment 14495886 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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to put on top of it, as it will help it retain water after you have watered it.



He already did that with the peat moss. Which, under normal circumstances is the absolute best top-dressing for new seed in my opinion.

Straw usually has so many weed seeds its not worth it, nor does it retain water as much as the PM.


My original thought was clear plastic to help retain water, but I'm not sure how you would water it. The plastic makes the area really humid, really promotes growth.
Maybe something like this  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/10/2019 11:37 am : link
i'd recommend waiting until  
UConn4523 : 7/10/2019 11:40 am : link
October to plant new seed but since you already did that cut back on the water by 2/3 and water daily for the first 10 days and then every other day thereafter.
i'm also not a fan of top dressings  
UConn4523 : 7/10/2019 11:43 am : link
straw, peat moss, etc. They all can bring things you don't want into your lawn. I prefer power seeding above everything. It inserts the seeds into the soil so its more protected from getting burnt out, you don't need a top dressing, and birds won't be able to get at it for the most part. You also don't need to water as much.

Probably overkill for 600 sq feet but I'd still recommend it.
Ay yi yi Science rules  
SgtDog : 7/10/2019 12:17 pm : link
What kind of grass, what is the PH, what is the soil type, what is the nitrogen, phosophorous and potash levels, how much sunlight does the area get.....

The majority of your grass will die as the roots will not be able to grow enough to endure the extended heat of the season and if your are using a tall fescue seed the grass goes dormant in the heat. You were better off sending the money to me.

Contact your Local Extension Office and view their procedures to collect samples and where to send them for complete soil analysis. They will send you a detailed report and recommendations and it should arrive just in time to seed. Not sure where you live Cornell manages NY's county extension office look for the office that covers your location

Good Luck
New York Extension offices of Cornell - ( New Window )
I came to BBI with a similar scenario  
jcn56 : 7/10/2019 12:20 pm : link
but I held off on the seeding. I had some weeds appear, going to till and pull up as many as possible and then cover it with clear poly film to solarize the soil and kill them off, then seed in Sept.
Should have tarp'd it until September to prevent weeds  
Knineteen : 7/10/2019 12:47 pm : link
Seeds need moisture to germinate. Better off watering 3 times a day for 20 minutes each.
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