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Rory : 7/10/2019 2:31 pm
Boston & Milwaukee interested in Wheeler while SD is showing interest again in Syndergaard.

Wheeler could net a couple B level prospects or I like Zack Brown from Brewers or Jay Groome from Boston

Was looking at SD pipeline, Gore, Urias, Patino, Baez all look like guys who can be part of 2020.

Thor to SD for Urias who goes to SS, move Rosario to CF, Baez to rotation.

Not sure if Vargas gets us anything.

Need to give Mcneil full time 3B and do something with Ramos

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Making Cano  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2019 2:49 pm : link
a DH isn't going to help him being a shitty hitter, is it?

Sure it opens up McNeil's natural defensive position, but having Cano on the team hamstrings them.
I don't think  
Carson53 : 7/10/2019 2:55 pm : link
there will possibly be a DH in the NL, until the next
CBA rolls around. Which if memory serves me right,
is after the 2021 season. Before that, would be very surprising, the way baseball goes about things.
I know the pitch clock issue is on the
backburner until then, so we'll see.
Manfred  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 3:00 pm : link
has already said there will be no DH next year and as noted above likely not until post 2021.
The potential DH is the reason why I'd hang on to Dom  
Chris684 : 7/10/2019 3:03 pm : link
but if it going to be longer than 2 years, maybe getting a nice offer for him while you can is smart.

Alonso is a star in the making and a much better fielder than most said he would be.
again  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2019 3:05 pm : link
even if there is a DH, so what?

Cano's D hasn't been great, but it's his offense that's killing the team (wrt to Cano)

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Conforto if someone made  
jlukes : 7/10/2019 3:06 pm : link
me the right offer
RE: again  
Chris684 : 7/10/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14496106 pjcas18 said:
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even if there is a DH, so what?

Cano's D hasn't been great, but it's his offense that's killing the team (wrt to Cano)


If you're responding to my post, I said DH for Dom/Alonso, not Cano.
No Chris  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2019 3:13 pm : link
just in general to the DH/Cano discussion.
RE: Ideal Mets plan  
Section331 : 7/10/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14496090 Chris684 said:
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Focus on dealing Wheeler, Vargas, Frazier, Davis and Ramos.


I'm curious why so many are in such a hurry to trade Davis? He's on a cheap contract, and isn't likely to net that much in return. He's a valuable piece, can sub at multiple positions, and is a power RHB off the bench. I'd rather keep him.
Trading anyone who is not part of the long term solution  
jlukes : 7/10/2019 4:11 pm : link
should be the strategy.

Alonso, McNeil and Degrom are the only untouchables on the team
RE: Trading anyone who is not part of the long term solution  
Metnut : 7/10/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14496137 jlukes said:
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should be the strategy.

Alonso, McNeil and Degrom are the only untouchables on the team


Will DeGrom will be elite by the time the Mets are good again if they do a full rebuild? I'd think probably not.

If you are keeping DeGrom, then IMO, it only makes sense to try and compete for division titles each year he's on the roster. Otherwise, why not trade him for future assets?
If they had the guts they tell Cano that he is now a backup at 1B, 2B,  
No Where Man : 7/10/2019 4:19 pm : link
and possibly 3B. Tell him that he is a PH. There is no way that they can sell us or his teammates on anything but that. They should really cut him but they won't.
RE: I wouldn't be opposed to trading Conforto if someone made  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14496107 jlukes said:
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me the right offer

Why? to create another hole they have to overpay in FA to fill with a lesser option?


Good Fundies Brian
‏ @OmarMinayaFan
Jul 9

Here's some piping hot truth for all you Conforto-slandering hoes.

Conforto is already 25th all time on the Mets WAR list. If he finishes the year at a modest 4 WAR, he will be 20th on the list, ahead of Murphy, Backman, Carter, Ventura, Cespedes, Kent, etc.



Good Fundies Brian
‏ @OmarMinayaFan
4h4 hours ago

Good Fundies Brian Retweeted Greg Rom

Here are Conforto's ranks in MLB since Opening Day 2017:

129 wRC+ (26th)
71 home runs (30th)
9.0 WAR (37th)
+4.1 Baserunning (41st)

He's a complete player. Would be posting better WAR if he wasn't playing CF. And did all this around a major injury.

RE: RE: RE: McNeil to 2B and  
moze1021 : 7/10/2019 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14496088 Carson53 said:
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Do something with Cano


Mets were the only franchise dysfunctional enough to trade for Cano's contract.
We are stuck with him for the next 4 years.

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I would concur with that, they are stuck with him.
It's hard to believe that is the same ballplayer
that played for the Yanks. He is just a shell of
the player he once was...not aging well at all!


The PED suspension should have been the clue there...

He's a lazy has-been. There are some players out there who you come to appreciate watching everyday...I have never watched Cano everyday in his career....watching him everyday now makes me really dislike him as a player.

The too cool for school, laid back demeanor only works when you're mashing.

^^^  
ChaChing : 7/10/2019 5:28 pm : link
Cespedes?

Oh PEDs...Cano then
RE: RE: In other news  
allstarjim : 7/10/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14496089 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets send 5 players to EL AS Game.



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Mets Farm Report
‏Verified account @MetsFarmReport
14m14 minutes ago

The stable is full of Ponies at the @EasternLeague All-Star Game!

The @RumblePoniesBB are sending 🖐️ players to the Double-A ASG. 🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎







Non-prospects the entire lot.


McNeil and DeGrom were non-prospects at points as well. Just keep producing at every level.
Braxton  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 5:47 pm : link
Lee is 26 next month with a .716 OPS, .662 career, Sam Haggerty is 25 with a career .739 OPS, Patrick Mazeika is 26 in October and now playing his 3rd season in AA... so...
For  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 5:50 pm : link
comparisons sake Jeff McNeil (an unusual prospect if you ever saw one) still had a career .823 OPS, .989 at AA
The  
DanMetroMan : 7/10/2019 5:54 pm : link
Mets are so high on Braxton Lee that they have him in AA despite nearly 250 games at AA previously and 47 in AAA with the Marlins. Just not the same thing, sorry.
The Mets roster doesn't make sense right now.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/10/2019 6:57 pm : link
They have a lot of nice pieces that don't fit together, and some crummy pieces they seem stuck with. Some of their best hitters have to play out of position to accommodate guys who either aren't a long-term answer or are flat-out bad, and even their key defensive positions are bad gloves, so they can't pick up the slack for the guys playing out of position.

They have two nice young corner outfielders in Nimmo (assuming he comes back and is what he was last year) and Conforto. But they also have three infielders playing out of position at the corners: Davis, McNeill and Smith. At the same time, they have no real centerfielders. Lagares is a declining glove who can't hit a lick. They tried Broxton and Gomez, both gone. So they have to play Nimmo or Conforto in center to play McNiell, Smith or Davis.

Meanwhile, while Alonso has legitimately locked down first base for the foreseable future, so Smith has to play out of position. Cano is blocking McNeill, and Cano has been bad. Frazier is blocking Davis, and while Frazier's been pretty good, he's not a long-term solution. So they have a logjam at the infield causing a logjam in the outfield.

At the same time, they don't really have depth at shortstop. Rosario is a decent bat, though not yet what we hoped for, but a bad fielder. To justify his fielding he'd have to hit like ARod in his prime. He's not even a good enough bat to consider moving him to third base, really. So he moves to centerfield? He's still a good but not great bat. He'd have to be an excellent glove to really be a long-term solution there.

Ramos is a nice hitter but a crummy glove. Nido is a nice glove but a below-average bat. Hechevarria is a nice depth player but not a quality starter. Down on the farm, Guillorme looks like a decent utility infielder but Cano is taking the roster spot that probably should be the utility guy. If Jed Lowrie ever resurfaces, he's going to be blocked, too.

So they're weak defensively at catcher, shortstop, center and arguably second, while their best second baseman has to play everywhere but second, and they have a terrific young hitter (Smith) who has to play left field, so they have to play an infielder or a right fielder in center.

Trade needs: major league shortstop, major league centerfielder, catcher, pitchers (ML and MiLB, starter and relief, everything everywhere), prospects at catcher, centerfield.

Trade assets: Frazier, Davis, Ramos, maybe Smith, Wheeler, Syndergard, maybe Diaz, Cano if anyone would take him. Fat chance.

Actions:
1) Trade Frazier, put Davis at third base, leave him alone. Thanks for everything Todd, you were better than we had any right to expect. Go help someone win a ring.
2) Put McNeill at second base, leave him alone. Keep Cano, trade him, I don't care. I don't see what use Cano is at this point, but he's un-tradeable and they probably don't dare release him yet, because if they dump him and he finds his stroke again, then they've REALLY bungled the whole thing.
3) Trade Ramos, make Nido the starter and live with the mediocre bat. Find another good defensive catcher and pitch caller for his backup. At this point, the season's kind of done anyway, start developing guys for the future. The Mets like their catcher to hit but Ramos isn't helping them.
4) If necessary, trade Wheeler and/or Syndergard to solve shortstop or centerfield for at least the next couple of seasons, until some of the young prospects are ready. The Mets have a bunch of young infield prospects but their outfield pipeline seems exhausted, since Nimmo and Conforto are in Queens.
5) Get Lagares off the roster, sad to say. He's not a major league player anymore. Trade, DFA, whatever. He's just gotta go. I'm sure that's part of the plan with Rosario.

They're probably stuck with Rosario at either short or center for now, depending on what they can get back in those trades. IF they can fix his glove at short, great. If he excels at center, great.
Dan it’s good to see you back on a mets  
bhill410 : 7/10/2019 7:42 pm : link
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So, after the Mets trade Wheeler and Thor  
Vanzetti : 7/10/2019 7:52 pm : link
Who exactly going to fill out the rotation after Degrom?

This is a 65 win team without those guys.
RE: So, after the Mets trade Wheeler and Thor  
moze1021 : 7/10/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14496266 Vanzetti said:
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Who exactly going to fill out the rotation after Degrom?

This is a 65 win team without those guys.


I mean..right now they are a 72 win team with them, so doesn't really matter
RE: The  
allstarjim : 7/11/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14496202 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets are so high on Braxton Lee that they have him in AA despite nearly 250 games at AA previously and 47 in AAA with the Marlins. Just not the same thing, sorry.


It's not about any one guy. The point is, the major leagues are full of good players that were termed "non-prospects." They can get play their way to the big leagues, past performance be damned.
RE: RE: The  
Jay on the Island : 7/11/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14496561 allstarjim said:
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Mets are so high on Braxton Lee that they have him in AA despite nearly 250 games at AA previously and 47 in AAA with the Marlins. Just not the same thing, sorry.



It's not about any one guy. The point is, the major leagues are full of good players that were termed "non-prospects." They can get play their way to the big leagues, past performance be damned.

Dan is right here. I understand what you're trying to say as there have been many players drafted late who have become great players but it's not the same for career minor leaguers who are feasting on younger players.
RE: RE: So, after the Mets trade Wheeler and Thor  
Rory : 7/11/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14496282 moze1021 said:
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Who exactly going to fill out the rotation after Degrom?

This is a 65 win team without those guys.



I mean..right now they are a 72 win team with them, so doesn't really matter


I assume rotation would be
Degrom
Matz
Vargas
Font
Ervin Santana/Lugo?
Travis Fryman's son  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2019 11:21 am : link
Branden is batting .423 for Brooklyn. Obviously ridiculously SSS.

Is he a prospect at all DMM?

He was drafted twice by the Mets, both late, but seems like a decent contact hitter.

If you trade Thor and Wheeler  
Metnut : 7/11/2019 11:30 am : link
you might as well trade DeGrom and Conforto and go full on rebuild since it'll be impossible to build a competitive rotation by next year with just DeGrom and the rest of our garbage. Maybe trade Alonso and McNeil too? Why not?

The White Sox traded Sale and Eaton and stripped things completely bare and are already better than the Mets with a more promising future only a few years later.

The team is looking at 8 out of 10 seasons below .500. They are likely to be bad next year regardless of whether we do a complete rebuild or not. Going all-in on a rebuild would leave us with maybe the best farm system in baseball and another likely top 5 pick after this year.

I'm not advocating we completely tear it down, just thinking via type here. The idea of a whole bunch of young studs that all come up together 2-5 years from now would be exciting.

RE: RE: RE: The  
allstarjim : 7/11/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14496568 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14496202 DanMetroMan said:


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Mets are so high on Braxton Lee that they have him in AA despite nearly 250 games at AA previously and 47 in AAA with the Marlins. Just not the same thing, sorry.



It's not about any one guy. The point is, the major leagues are full of good players that were termed "non-prospects." They can get play their way to the big leagues, past performance be damned.


Dan is right here. I understand what you're trying to say as there have been many players drafted late who have become great players but it's not the same for career minor leaguers who are feasting on younger players.


All 4 of those guys are 25 years old. Anyone playing pro ball, including uber-prospects, who haven't yet made the majors are career minor leaguers. I don't care about semantics.

He may or may not be right about all 4 of them. But I won't write all of them off at this point. Are they unheralded prospects? Sure, I'd agree with that. I don't believe throwing dirt on young players that still have potential. Just don't believe in that.
RE: If you trade Thor and Wheeler  
allstarjim : 7/11/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14496609 Metnut said:
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you might as well trade DeGrom and Conforto and go full on rebuild since it'll be impossible to build a competitive rotation by next year with just DeGrom and the rest of our garbage. Maybe trade Alonso and McNeil too? Why not?

The White Sox traded Sale and Eaton and stripped things completely bare and are already better than the Mets with a more promising future only a few years later.

The team is looking at 8 out of 10 seasons below .500. They are likely to be bad next year regardless of whether we do a complete rebuild or not. Going all-in on a rebuild would leave us with maybe the best farm system in baseball and another likely top 5 pick after this year.

I'm not advocating we completely tear it down, just thinking via type here. The idea of a whole bunch of young studs that all come up together 2-5 years from now would be exciting.


I'd keep Thor, trade Wheeler. Kay is almost here and I think he'll be at least a quality back-end starter. Trade Frazier. And I would get Dom as much work as possible but I wouldn't trade him until the off-season.

I think Dom could fetch a haul if he can rake for the rest of the year with regular work.

Rosario needs to work on his defense. That's an area he has regressed in, but he can still improve.

The tear down idea is dumb, IMO. How many teams can boast a legit thumper who can still hit like Alonso, a batting champion type hitter in McNeil, another good all-around hitter in Conforto, a Cy Young award winner, another top-end starter in Noah, and still a stable of young players that have tools and still a lot of potential, like Rosario, Nimmo, and J.D. Davis.

And I do believe Diaz will be a lot better in the future. His stuff is too good not to play. It has taken a horrific, improbable run of bad bullpen pitching to keep this team down this year. And I get that you almost expect that because it's the Mets, but there is enough here to build around and right the ship quickly with just a couple of tweaks.

Don't sell the farm, just keep nurturing what you have.
the problem with the org right now is leadership + culture  
Eric on Li : 7/11/2019 12:26 pm : link
so you only make big moves if they are no doubters. Even trading Wheeler. Under the right leadership (manager + front office direction) he could be a valuable piece to keep or at minimum bring back a top 2 round pick (which we're batting 1.000 on the past 4-5 years with Alonso, Kay, Vientos, SWR).

The next steps for this org are a longer time horizon than this deadline, so the decisions this deadline need to be made with that in mind. If I was BVW looking to salvage the last burning embers of my reputation to not go down in history as a laughing stock, here's what i'd do:

#1. Acknowledge the reality that he is not qualified to construct a winning roster and empower someone who is. Titles don't matter and this person may even already be 1 of his many advisors (Baird?) but he needs to assume a more oversight role as a tone setter managing the Wilpons + media and let someone else be the point person on setting a modern roster construction vision. The best case scenario would be looking externally for someone with practical roster construction experience like Bloom, with BVW assuming a president title or something like that, but obviously Bloom likely won't happen. Basically he needs to find someone who would have slapped the shit out of him and said "no way" to the Cano move. In terms of vision I'd be looking for someone who is committed to getting the organization more athletic, better defensively, and better fundamentally - and has practical experience at a successful mid to low budget org.

#2. Find an experienced manager who fits the organizational vision. Maybe this is Girardi, or Sciosca, or Dusty, or Maddon but they need a manager with 2 things. 1- Winning experience 2- Willingness to embrace (or at least try) modern philosophies.

To me any major roster decisions prior to doing those 2 things are extremely risky. There are undeniably extremely talented players in this organization like Diaz, Thor, Conforto and Rosario - and we can already see the vultures (good orgs) circling looking to take advantage of BVW. History will repeat itself and we will spend a decade watching them wear other team's uniforms in all star games + world series if we don't get better at creating a successful culture here.
Tear down is dumb  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2019 12:31 pm : link
I agree.

It's funny but I feel like the difference between a 72 win team and an 85 win team is the bullpen.

You don't tear a team down for the bullpen.

Yes, there will need to be some new faces, and some players make sense to trade, but Conforto, deGrom, and Alonso (now that we know Alonso's D is "playable")?

that would be asinine.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The  
Jay on the Island : 7/11/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14496648 allstarjim said:
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All 4 of those guys are 25 years old. Anyone playing pro ball, including uber-prospects, who haven't yet made the majors are career minor leaguers. I don't care about semantics.

He may or may not be right about all 4 of them. But I won't write all of them off at this point. Are they unheralded prospects? Sure, I'd agree with that. I don't believe throwing dirt on young players that still have potential. Just don't believe in that.

When i say career minor leaguer I mean a player that will either never make the majors or just basically a AAAA type. As Dan mentioned these guys numbers don't stand out despite being league all-stars and the Mets are clearly not that high on them if they remain in AA despite their age and experience.

It is rare for a player like them to become solid major league pieces. McNeil was a different story as injuries held him back but his numbers were excellent when healthy.
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pjcas18 : 7/11/2019 6:58 pm : link

Jacob Resnick
‏ @Jacob_Resnick
13m13 minutes ago

Top #Mets prospects Francisco Alvarez and Brett Baty went back-to-back for their first home runs with Kingsport tonight.

It's Alvarez's 8th XBH in 44 AB. Baty has his first XBH with Kingsport after starting 1-for-17.
Alvarez may be a top 5 prospect in the system by the end of the year  
Eric on Li : 7/11/2019 7:06 pm : link
really exciting to have a high upside catcher. If we don't count TDA (who was kind of on the verge of graduation and already descending due to his injury history when acquired), he's the first big time catching prospect we've had in at least 2 decades (Justin Huber?).
RE: Alvarez may be a top 5 prospect in the system by the end of the year  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2019 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14496917 Eric on Li said:
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really exciting to have a high upside catcher. If we don't count TDA (who was kind of on the verge of graduation and already descending due to his injury history when acquired), he's the first big time catching prospect we've had in at least 2 decades (Justin Huber?).


Have you seen the guy? Pretty sure he'll eventually be called pudge.

5'11" 220 pounds at 17. I read he's an offense first catcher, but his D sounds like it has a chance to be legit too.

Love he's in KING at 17.

I don't think you should push every player, but some players you can.
he's a few months older than Mauricio was last year  
Eric on Li : 7/11/2019 7:19 pm : link
but still definitely a challenge to be 17 in any sort of pro ball. I mean, he's 2 full years younger than Baty.

Thankfully BVW doesn't seem to have changed up how we're scouting/drafting too much. That's about the only thing in the org that's on the right track (probably because it's not glamorous and tedious enough to keep Jeff Wilpon away).
More good fortune for the Mets  
pjcas18 : 7/12/2019 12:59 pm : link
/sarcasm

they let Crismatt walk in November as a FA, he signed a minor league deal with the Mariners - looks like he started the season in AAA and got hammered, but has dominated AA:


Mariners Minors
‏ @MiLBMariners

Nabil Crismatt has the Complete Game Shutout! 9IP, 2H, 0R, 0BB, 14K, 95 pitches, 73 strikes. Total domination.
10:35 PM - 10 Jul 2019




Jacob Resnick
‏ @Jacob_Resnick
2m2 minutes ago

Jacob Resnick Retweeted Mariners Minors

Missed this from Wednesday. Former #Mets minor leaguer who was a free agent this past offseason. I don’t think there was a person on here who wasn’t clamoring for his return.

1.94 ERA in 14 Double-A outings (13 starts) with 89 strikeouts to 11 walks.
Sources say Syndergaard  
pjcas18 : 7/12/2019 1:53 pm : link
trade is inevitable. Here is what the Mets are asking for in return.

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According to teams in touch with the Mets, the asking price for a July trade for Syndergaard is multiple top prospects. Rival executives say that they are skeptical Syndergaard can bring that return, given his middling performance this season.

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pjcas18 : 7/12/2019 2:22 pm : link

Mathew Brownstein
‏ @MBrownstein89
45s46 seconds ago

The #Mets’ .354 winning percentage on the road ranks 28th in the majors and last in the National League.
Another stupid trade for the Mets  
pjcas18 : 7/12/2019 3:02 pm : link
even if Neraldo Catalina doesn't sniff AA in his career, this trade was stupid.


New York Mets
‏Verified account @Mets

We have recalled RHP Chris Mazza from Triple-A Syracuse and designated RHP Wilmer Font for assignment. #Mets
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pjcas18 : 7/12/2019 3:08 pm : link

Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
24s24 seconds ago

Brodie Van Wagenen has now traded Bobby Wahl, Adam Hill, Felix Valerio, and Neraldo Catalina (no big prospects, but still some value) for the return of -0.8 fWAR combined from Keon Broxton and Wilmer Font.
Join the club  
pjcas18 : 7/12/2019 3:32 pm : link

Tim Healey
‏Verified account @timbhealey
4s4 seconds ago

Brodie Van Wagenen on the Mets’ season: “We are incredibly disappointed.”
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Asking for the moon for Thor  
Shecky : 7/12/2019 4:06 pm : link
Hoping someone “settles” for Wheeler
And the lowballs get Vargas.

You’ll know the nibbles are light
When they deny Thor
Float resigning Wheeler
And float the idea that Vargas option for next year is a valuable 5th starter...
RE: Asking for the moon for Thor  
pjcas18 : 7/12/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14497671 Shecky said:
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Hoping someone “settles” for Wheeler
And the lowballs get Vargas.

You’ll know the nibbles are light
When they deny Thor
Float resigning Wheeler
And float the idea that Vargas option for next year is a valuable 5th starter...


Vargas sucks, but he has not been the problem this year, as a 5th starter he's fine.

I'd trade him in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't give him away.




Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
2h2 hours ago

Jason Vargas ranks 11th in the majors with a 2.76 ERA since April 19th.
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RE: Asking for the moon for Thor  
Eric on Li : 7/12/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14497671 Shecky said:
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Hoping someone “settles” for Wheeler
And the lowballs get Vargas.

You’ll know the nibbles are light
When they deny Thor
Float resigning Wheeler
And float the idea that Vargas option for next year is a valuable 5th starter...


That would be the ideal result (other than Vargas).

As much as we all are hopeful re: Wheeler, he obviously isn't matching JDG start for start as he did in the 2nd half last year - so I don't think he's going to get overpaid prohibitively in FA.

Any other "competitor" would be trying to resign him.
IMO the thing about Vargas is less about value as #5 SP  
ChaChing : 7/12/2019 4:28 pm : link
But how much better this team might have been with any number of SPs from off season, if not Gio (sorry, just true) or possibly Kuechel even, and Vargas out the pen

I dunno how he'd have reacted tho IMO I'da forced it (he's no one to bitch about role), but having him as the first backup would still have given him quite a few starts / innings even without major injuries yet. While he would likely have stabilized the pen with their injuries if not just inconsistency

Again maybe there's more to it in the BG, but IMO it's a fair ask & was low-hanging fruit to better the team (esp w/ Lugo doing as much for yrs)
not that interviews matter, but BVW is clueless  
Eric on Li : 7/12/2019 6:28 pm : link
finally listened to some of the highlights from today's media tour and the fact that he's quoting the positive press grades of his moves in the offseason is just unfathomable.

"I read the grades of the moves in the offseason things have just gone exactly the opposite"

Too bad he didn't read BBI when the Cano rumors broke. Actually, I guess he did since capone says fan reaction is the only that saved Mcneil.

Glad he's acknowledging they need to do the little things better, get deeper on the pitching staff, and get stronger up the middle. But those weren't secrets. Would be nice if he could acknowledge the mis-evaluated those areas this offseason. It's obvious - there's a lot less shame in appearing honest/humble instead of delusional.
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pjcas18 : 7/12/2019 7:44 pm : link

Michael Pfaff
‏ @LIDucksGM

Seth Simmons has been acquired from High Point to complete an earlier trade and will start tonight at Sugar Land. Outfielder Kirk Nieuwenhuis has decided to return home and no longer play baseball. Good luck to both!
5:34 PM - 12 Jul 2019
whole farm system is starting to get hot  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2019 10:17 am : link
Vientos and Gimenez starting to show signs of why they were contending to be blue chippers going into the year.

Vientos over his last 20 games: .342/.412/.553, 7 doubles, 3 homers, 18 RBI, 14 runs. Still pacing behind the numbers he put up last year in rookie ball but that's to be expected stepping up in comp. Also has 19 errors but there's still time for that to get worked out. Still just 19.

Gimenez is hitting .351 in his last 10 games and generally been solid since coming back from the injured list mid June, so far in July has 4 XBH. Last night he was 2 for 4 with a triple and his OPS on the season is now approaching .700. His rc on the season in AA is now exactly 100 matching his performance in AA last year, so a good 2nd half would be a really nice development overall and continue his streak of being a plus hitting SS in all 6 leagues he's played in over his 4 years of pro ball. Impressive given he's still just 20.

Baty, Mauricio, and Alvarez are getting a lot of attention (rightfully so) but those 2 shouldn't get lost in shuffle. Their production at advanced levels given their ages has now been consistent over multiple seasons.
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