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Payasdaddy : 7/10/2019 6:46 pm
sound familiar?
He looked good in gmen offseason too
Gotta admit I did think he would make team last yr

Via Hughes, former Giantsí third-rounder Davis Webb had an impressive offseason program, so impressive that he apparently jumped Siemian late in the OTA process. Hughes writes that Webb was the second quarterback to take the field during the final set of OTAs.

Hughes adds that the Jets would like to keep only two quarterbacks on the final 53-man roster. Siemian, however, has $1 million of his one-year, $2 million contract fully guaranteed. (He already has earned a $750,000 signing bonus.) So cutting Siemian and keeping Webb (who has a non-guaranteed salary of $645,000) would create enhanced expense and wasted money.

It also would create the risk that, if the Jets need Siemian later, he wonít be available. Whether heís signed by another NFL team or by the fledgling XFL ó which plans to gobble up third- and fourth-string quarterbacks who are cut from NFL rosters ó Siemian could be long gone if/when an injury creates a reason to bring him back.

Ditto for Webb, who also could land with another team, or with the XFL.

Another option, as Hughes notes, would be to trade Webb, who was regarded as having a bright future before he washed out with the Giants. Maybe that future is getting brighter, whether itís with the Jets, another NFL team, or ultimately as one of the eight starters for Vince McMahonís resurrected spring league.
that doesnt mean I think he is the next jonas seawright  
Payasdaddy : 7/10/2019 6:48 pm : link
Just that I actually thought he "may" have had a chance to develop
Has tools, just didnt process fast enough? accuracy? feel for game?
you couldn't  
Bill in UT : 7/10/2019 6:48 pm : link
trade him for shit
I like Webb  
PatersonPlank : 7/10/2019 7:00 pm : link
I think he'll have some kind of career in the NFL, maybe a career backup or bottom rung starter type of thing.
AGREED WE COULDNT TRADE HIM  
Payasdaddy : 7/10/2019 7:17 pm : link
Just thought cutting him 2nd yr in was abrupt
they may do same with lauletta it doesnt click fast
would rather keep him vs tanney slight upside at least
I always liked Webb  
Torrag : 7/10/2019 7:25 pm : link
Definitely saw more in him in terms of arm talent and work ethic than I have in lauletta. He should have been the backup last year but Shurmur was instrumental in drafting Lauletta and that's that.
Iím still a fan of Davis  
GoDeep13 : 7/10/2019 7:34 pm : link
And I donít think he was given a real chance. He could still be a good QB
He seems to have  
Gman11 : 7/10/2019 7:44 pm : link
all the physical tools, but I'm not sure he can do it mentally. When he was with the Giants I read stories about how he wrote everything down and kept them in binders. It seemed that nothing came instinctively. That, to me, said that he wansn't NFL material.

Maybe he'll tear it up in the XFL.
Webb could well get a shot somewhere and develop  
mfsd : 7/10/2019 7:58 pm : link
but no way he has trade value, unless someone loses 2+ QBs to injury in preseason.

Seemed like he was cut loose bc the new regime didnít draft him (not that Lauletta looked that great) and bc he was quoted in the papers far too often for a backup QB whoís never done shit in a real game.

Doesnít mean heís finished, but will likely take injuries for him to get a chance with the Jets
.  
Amazinz : 7/10/2019 8:08 pm : link
Not sure what the point is.

It's like a Lil' Greg or Ten Ton Crap post but...

I'd rather have Webb than Lauletta at this point.
Was really no point  
Payasdaddy : 7/10/2019 8:46 pm : link
Was on pft and being it slow on news this time of yr
Worth a rehash.
Obviously a lot more interested in d Jones development this yr
Than d Webb
RE: .  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/10/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14496271 Amazinz said:
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Not sure what the point is.

It's like a Lil' Greg or Ten Ton Crap post but...

I'd rather have Webb than Lauletta at this point.


How much do I owe you as rent for that space in your head?

I'd..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/10/2019 8:55 pm : link
make a shitty detective.

I'm trying to piece together exactly what this thread is about and I'm hitting a fucking dead end.
RE: I'd..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/10/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14496298 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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make a shitty detective.

I'm trying to piece together exactly what this thread is about and I'm hitting a fucking dead end.


It's the davis webb career update you've been waiting for.
Its about how Davis Webb could be somebody...he could be a contender  
Jimmy Googs : 7/10/2019 9:05 pm : link
We need to move on  
DavidinBMNY : 7/10/2019 10:23 pm : link
Webb completely blew his preseason audition. He was wild and ineffective when he was given the nod. That is all you need to know. This is not intramurals. You sink or swim in professional football. He sank. Using am excuse like he was over hyped and excited is unacceptable. For one throw sure. One series Ok. One game - get out of here. He is a perrenial backup / coach on waiting.
..  
broadbandz : 7/11/2019 1:05 am : link
Lauletta has more talent than Webb. Lauletta played with a bad knee all last year and can still develop into a good backup. Davis had his time to learn and still shit the bed in preseason.
The words are Florio's  
shyster : 7/11/2019 3:13 am : link
and he's summarizing an article by Connor Hughes for the Athletic.



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He could be traded... for what?  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/11/2019 4:33 am : link
A corned beef sandwich, a pickle, and a bag of chips? GTFO...
RE: I always liked Webb  
Rong5611 : 7/11/2019 7:14 am : link
I'm no fan of Lauletta, but Webb didn't play well in the preseason at all (he looked awful). Unfortunately, despite all the press of him replacing email, he couldn't even make the team. It was more Webb's doing than Shurmur favoring Lauletta.

In comment 14496251 Torrag said:
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Definitely saw more in him in terms of arm talent and work ethic than I have in lauletta. He should have been the backup last year but Shurmur was instrumental in drafting Lauletta and that's that.
RE: I'd..  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/11/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14496298 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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make a shitty detective.

I'm trying to piece together exactly what this thread is about and I'm hitting a fucking dead end.

I think you can crack the case if you want - a July 2019er made a Jonas Seawright reference. I think you can probably sort it out from there...
RE: RE: I'd..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14496507 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14496298 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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make a shitty detective.

I'm trying to piece together exactly what this thread is about and I'm hitting a fucking dead end.


I think you can crack the case if you want - a July 2019er made a Jonas Seawright reference. I think you can probably sort it out from there...


HA! Good point.
Davis Webb  
Britt in VA : 7/11/2019 10:26 am : link
still on the bench.
Ben McAdoo, Jerry Reese, and Marc Ross....  
Britt in VA : 7/11/2019 10:27 am : link
still unemployed.
His off seasons are great  
Joey in VA : 7/11/2019 10:29 am : link
It's the actual football game thing that he sucks at. He doesn't have the mental makeup to do this as a professional.
RE: His off seasons are great  
Britt in VA : 7/11/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14496547 Joey in VA said:
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It's the actual football game thing that he sucks at. He doesn't have the mental makeup to do this as a professional.


Yeah, his offseasons are great. And he'll tell you all about it!
Is doing better than Semen  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/11/2019 10:53 am : link
Newsworthy?
This is the same nonsense we heard last year  
Jay on the Island : 7/11/2019 11:02 am : link
He works as hard as anyone yada yada yada. It obviously doesn't translate over to the football field. Despite his hard work, being the son of a football coach, and years of experience he still struggles with accuracy and reading defenses.
Am  
AcidTest : 7/11/2019 11:08 am : link
I the only one wondering why every few months there is another thread on Davis Webb? Like everyone else, I wish him all the best, but it has been nearly a year since he was on the Giants. Will we have the same number of threads through this time next year about Lauletta if he is cut at the end of preseason and ends up on another team?
Britt nailed it  
JonC : 7/11/2019 11:17 am : link
When stronger football acumen (and talent) is finally in place, why beat a dead horse.
Imagine if  
Josh in the City : 7/11/2019 12:07 pm : link
Davis Webb ends up being better than Daniel Jones. Talk about a kick in the nuts.
Who Cares  
lax counsel : 7/11/2019 12:28 pm : link
Webb was awful in his time with the team. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with the football. This was the same guy he was in college. It should set off alarm bells that for a guy who supposedly worked hard, he didn't improve much with accuracy from college.
RE: Imagine if  
Deejboy : 7/11/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14496646 Josh in the City said:
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Davis Webb ends up being better than Daniel Jones. Talk about a kick in the nuts.

Davis Webb will probably never play in an actual NFL game so that is going to be hard. Any other weird thoughts you have?
I'm still on the Davis-Webb-will-play bandwagon.  
CT Charlie : 7/11/2019 1:20 pm : link
His first preseason game was abysmal, but he showed some good flashes afterwards. I think Shurmur really liked Lauletta in college -- and the scramble TD -- so that's why Webb was released. Gut feeling says Webb will ultimately see more NFL action than Lauletta.
i think there is a better chance that Webb catches on as a position  
markky : 7/11/2019 1:34 pm : link
coach somewhere in ten years.
We will rue the day  
Bleedin Blue : 7/11/2019 3:21 pm : link
We let Webb go!!!!



Nooooooooot!
Webb has all the physical tools  
mrvax : 7/11/2019 6:43 pm : link
but he turns into a mess on most passing downs. He appears to be in panic mode. Watch some pre-season tapes.
RE: Imagine if  
dep026 : 7/11/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14496646 Josh in the City said:
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Davis Webb ends up being better than Daniel Jones. Talk about a kick in the nuts.


And Iím sure you will post nonstop about it. But yet you wanted a QB over Barkley. Imagine Webb being better than Darnold!!!!
RE: Imagine if  
uther99 : 7/11/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14496646 Josh in the City said:
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Davis Webb ends up being better than Daniel Jones. Talk about a kick in the nuts.


Imagine if you had a dick
Not sure I follow the OPís logic on the cost of keeping Webb over TS.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/11/2019 10:02 pm : link
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Hughes adds that the Jets would like to keep only two quarterbacks on the final 53-man roster. Siemian, however, has $1 million of his one-year, $2 million contract fully guaranteed. (He already has earned a $750,000 signing bonus.) So cutting Siemian and keeping Webb (who has a non-guaranteed salary of $645,000) would create enhanced expense and wasted money.
Seems to me that keeping Webb is still cheaper, despite the sunk cost of Siemianís guaranteed money.
RE: Imagine if  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14496646 Josh in the City said:
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Davis Webb ends up being better than Daniel Jones. Talk about a kick in the nuts.


Imagine if Daniel Jones ends up better than Darnold.

There's actually a good chance of that. There's virtually no chance Webb will even get a chance to show he's better than any QB

Still whining like a ridiculous douche.
RE: RE: Imagine if  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/12/2019 2:46 am : link
In comment 14497051 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14496646 Josh in the City said:


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Davis Webb ends up being better than Daniel Jones. Talk about a kick in the nuts.



Imagine if Daniel Jones ends up better than Darnold.

There's actually a good chance of that. There's virtually no chance Webb will even get a chance to show he's better than any QB

Still whining like a ridiculous douche.


I dunno... sounds like Josh is willing to kick himself in the nuts if FMiC's scenario plays out and Jones becomes better than Darnold...
RE: Imagine if  
mrvax : 7/12/2019 4:08 am : link
In comment 14497088 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14497051 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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In comment 14496646 Josh in the City said:


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Davis Webb ends up being better than Daniel Jones. Talk about a kick in the nuts.



Imagine if Daniel Jones ends up better than Darnold.

There's actually a good chance of that. There's virtually no chance Webb will even get a chance to show he's better than any QB

Still whining like a ridiculous douche.



I dunno... sounds like Josh is willing to kick himself in the nuts if FMiC's scenario plays out and Jones becomes better than Darnold...


Well both decisions belong to DG and PS. No to Darnold and yes to Jones. I'm rooting for Jones...big time.
Sounds like most  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 10:02 am : link
of you are quite defensive about a little joke that is virtually implausible to happen in reality. But unfortunately, that's what most posters on this site have become after having to incessantly defend Eli's ineptitude over the past decade and now transposing that sentiment towards Daniel Jones due to their insecurity over where he was drafted. Sad.
And with that being said...  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 10:03 am : link
I'm rooting like hell for Daniel Jones to be a stud. You just won't see my opinion flip flop before he's even played a snap.
Eli has been inept for over a decade?  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 10:21 am : link
LMAO. Yep, its official..... Josh is the worst poster on this site.
RE: Eli has been inept for over a decade?  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14497227 dep026 said:
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LMAO. Yep, its official..... Josh is the worst poster on this site.

Fair...only the past 6 years.
RE: Sounds like most  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14497207 Josh in the City said:
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of you are quite defensive about a little joke that is virtually implausible to happen in reality. But unfortunately, that's what most posters on this site have become after having to incessantly defend Eli's ineptitude over the past decade and now transposing that sentiment towards Daniel Jones due to their insecurity over where he was drafted. Sad.


Can we still make fun of your insistent crying and complaining over everything you have been wrong about since you started posting here? Lot of material to work with....
RE: RE: Eli has been inept for over a decade?  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14497229 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 14497227 dep026 said:


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LMAO. Yep, its official..... Josh is the worst poster on this site.


Fair...only the past 6 years.


So from 2014-2016 where Eli threw for 91 TDs and average of over 4300 yards with 1 legitimate offensive threat - is something we should look down upon?
RE: RE: Sounds like most  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14497230 dep026 said:
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In comment 14497207 Josh in the City said:


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of you are quite defensive about a little joke that is virtually implausible to happen in reality. But unfortunately, that's what most posters on this site have become after having to incessantly defend Eli's ineptitude over the past decade and now transposing that sentiment towards Daniel Jones due to their insecurity over where he was drafted. Sad.



Can we still make fun of your insistent crying and complaining over everything you have been wrong about since you started posting here? Lot of material to work with....

Sure, what have I been wrong about?
RE: RE: RE: Eli has been inept for over a decade?  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14497232 dep026 said:
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In comment 14497229 Josh in the City said:


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In comment 14497227 dep026 said:


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LMAO. Yep, its official..... Josh is the worst poster on this site.


Fair...only the past 6 years.



So from 2014-2016 where Eli threw for 91 TDs and average of over 4300 yards with 1 legitimate offensive threat - is something we should look down upon?

If that's supposed to be the prime of his career? Then yes, absofuckinglutely.
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So a guy averaging  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 10:37 am : link
over 30 TDs per season and over 4300 yards, with one offensive weapon, not in his prime of his career (33-35 hardly someone's prime) is something we should looked down upon?

You want to start what your consistently wrong about? Start there.
Oh QB rating  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 10:38 am : link
thats a cute way to explain why you have no clue what you are talking about. I see some great QBs up there. Tyrod Taylor, Macus Mariota, Alex Smith...

Please quit while you are ahead.
Oh lookie at what I can do....  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 10:43 am : link
Is thisnt fun? Ill actually use stats that matter....
TDs matter more - ( New Window )
Josh..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/12/2019 10:44 am : link
is that rare breed of poster that is pissed because the team didn't do what he wanted them to. He championed selecting a QB and when the team didn't do it - they were wrong.

Then he watched Barkley have an incredible year and still whined and bitched about not taking a QB.

All fucking year long.
Everyone is consistently wrong  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 10:45 am : link
per Dep. We have jackets.

But they are now on backorder...
Webb will very likely  
JonC : 7/12/2019 10:51 am : link
barely see an NFL gameday snap.
RE: Everyone is consistently wrong  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14497260 Jimmy Googs said:
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per Dep. We have jackets.

But they are now on backorder...


Another post that has nothing to do with the content of the thread but to attack the poster. You're right, you arent a troll. You are an absolute nutjob who stalks other posters.

You are a very creepy dude.
RE: RE: Sounds like most  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14497230 dep026 said:
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In comment 14497207 Josh in the City said:


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of you are quite defensive about a little joke that is virtually implausible to happen in reality. But unfortunately, that's what most posters on this site have become after having to incessantly defend Eli's ineptitude over the past decade and now transposing that sentiment towards Daniel Jones due to their insecurity over where he was drafted. Sad.



Can we still make fun of your insistent crying and complaining over everything you have been wrong about since you started posting here? Lot of material to work with....


this is creepy that you you have been stalking this poster since he started posting. And then attacking him.

kettle-pot...
RE: RE: RE: Sounds like most  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14497284 Jimmy Googs said:
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this is creepy that you you have been stalking this poster since he started posting. And then attacking him.

kettle-pot...


And another post that doesnt consist with the material at hand....
RE: Sounds like most  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14497207 Josh in the City said:
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of you are quite defensive about a little joke that is virtually implausible to happen in reality. But unfortunately, that's what most posters on this site have become after having to incessantly defend Eli's ineptitude over the past decade and now transposing that sentiment towards Daniel Jones due to their insecurity over where he was drafted. Sad.


And you should read this post Googs before attacking others first.

Or maybe come up with an original, thoughtful post? Be a contributor for once, we would love to hear some factual insight from you...
Yes, we will all try to better manage your expectations  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 11:15 am : link
of what a strong poster should be like...



RE: Yes, we will all try to better manage your expectations  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14497301 Jimmy Googs said:
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of what a strong poster should be like...




Sounds good... Ill be rooting for you.
Um,..that sounds a bit creepy  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 12:10 pm : link
.
RE: Oh lookie at what I can do....  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14497257 dep026 said:
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Is thisnt fun? Ill actually use stats that matter.... TDs matter more - ( New Window )

Isn't this even more fun. How about a stat that means every more than TD's? 23-25 record during that span. And yes, 33-35 is absolutely still the prime of most QB's careers in today's NFL. Or are you arguing that he's been on the decline for the past 7 yrs? Either way your argument sucks.
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Oh I am sorry  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 12:44 pm : link
I forgot team record was solely on the QB. Want to do more fun facts?

From 2014-2016, Giants ranking:

rushing:
2014: 23th yards per game, 30th YPA
2015: 19th yards per game, 18th YPA
2016: 29th yards per game, 30th YPA

average: 22nd yards per game, 26th YPA

defense:
2014: 29th yards per game, 22nd points allowed
2015: 32nd yards per game, 30th points allowed
2016: 10th yards per game, 2nd points allowed

average: 22nd in yards per game, 18th in points allowed.

Give it up Josh. It's ok to admit when you are wrong.
And again  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 12:49 pm : link
this isnt to say Eli isnt responsible for the record of the last seven years, but when we are placing the blame solely on him like Josh did, it shows that there might be more agenda than opinion.

This season, we're going to find out what Eli has left  
UberAlias : 7/12/2019 1:04 pm : link
one way or another. All this bickering is pointless. By season end, you'll have been proven right or wrong. This is actually quite an intriguing storyline to the season, in my eyes. My guess is, we're going to see a whole lot of twisting the story to fit the narrative from somebody. Question is, who?
RE: This season, we're going to find out what Eli has left  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14497407 UberAlias said:
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one way or another. All this bickering is pointless. By season end, you'll have been proven right or wrong. This is actually quite an intriguing storyline to the season, in my eyes. My guess is, we're going to see a whole lot of twisting the story to fit the narrative from somebody. Question is, who?


We are already assuming the defense is going to be good and the OL will be a positive?

I mean hell, I am as positive as the next guy as the direction of the team, but lets not assume before training camp starts.
So if the defense struggles and the oline is average  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 1:13 pm : link
we won't be able to judge Eli?

how come?

RE: So if the defense struggles and the oline is average  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14497420 Jimmy Googs said:
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we won't be able to judge Eli?

how come?


Defense struggling means we are one dimensional and not have the ball a lot, and an average OL means inconsistent play from everyone. Not too hard.
Its not too hard because  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 1:38 pm : link
its a pretty shallow thought process.

This is not in opposition of him, but at some point the defenders of the faith are going to need to submit that Eli can be reasonably and fairly judged under many conditions...

RE: Its not too hard because  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14497449 Jimmy Googs said:
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its a pretty shallow thought process.

This is not in opposition of him, but at some point the defenders of the faith are going to need to submit that Eli can be reasonably and fairly judged under many conditions...


defenders of faith? Try to grow up a little bit?

How could you judge someone when the play around him is AVERAGE at best? Oh wait, you are never wrong...

I forgot...
RE: And again  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14497395 dep026 said:
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this isnt to say Eli isnt responsible for the record of the last seven years, but when we are placing the blame solely on him like Josh did, it shows that there might be more agenda than opinion.

Are you deliberately trying to sound clueless? What's Eli's record the past 6 yrs? I'll help you...it's 38-57. Only a clueless homer would say that's acceptable from a QB.
Lol  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 1:47 pm : link
Thereís someone clueless on this thread Josh, and it ainít me.

Check out the stats I provided (team stats) before posting more nonsense.
So QBs can only be fairly judged when the team around them  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 1:47 pm : link
is good or at least better than average.

This is what you want to attest to?
RE: So QBs can only be fairly judged when the team around them  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14497472 Jimmy Googs said:
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is good or at least better than average.

This is what you want to attest to?


They should. I know fans donít. But itís pretty much assumed that fans are pretty clueless. I mean look at one poster blaming Eli for our losing the last 7 years. Doesnít get much worse than that.
It's pretty impressive to see both sides of a position  
Mad Mike : 7/12/2019 1:50 pm : link
make themselves look silly.
RE: Lol  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14497471 dep026 said:
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Thereís someone clueless on this thread Josh, and it ainít me.

Check out the stats I provided (team stats) before posting more nonsense.

Sorry to burst your bubble...but yea, it's you!
Yeah seems reasonable  
dep026 : 7/12/2019 2:20 pm : link
Blame team record on one player... haha.

So insightful.
RE: Yeah seems reasonable  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14497543 dep026 said:
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Blame team record on one player... haha.

So insightful.

Name another top QB who has had such a shitty record for a 6 yr period...
Hereís one  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 3:10 pm : link
Archie Manning...
RE: Hereís one  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14497625 Jimmy Googs said:
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Archie Manning...


LOL...how about over the past decade or two?
I thought that was a lol too but Dep hasnít given me credit yet  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 3:25 pm : link
Btw Josh- not for nothing but your posts can be viewed that you do indeed blame the QB too much. Just sayiní...

Can we get back to Davis webb being incompetent?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/12/2019 3:47 pm : link
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Of course Webb is useless  
Jimmy Googs : 7/12/2019 4:55 pm : link
Anybody who couldnít hold down the backup QB job to Eli Manning has to be. It simply may be the easiest position to maintain in professional sports history...
meh  
fanofthejets : 7/12/2019 7:11 pm : link
Ultimately it would shock me if Webb beats out Semian. Semian is a middling starter but a top backup and if god forbid something happens to Sam...he's a guy you'd have confidence in to at least be a low risk game manager for a few weeks

That said Webb has surprised a lot of people and hope he keeps it up. Could be some trade value building here
RE: I thought that was a lol too but Dep hasnít given me credit yet  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14497636 Jimmy Googs said:
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Btw Josh- not for nothing but your posts can be viewed that you do indeed blame the QB too much. Just sayiní...


100% Iím hard on the QB. Itís the most important position on the field and ultimately the one most responsible for wins and losses in my eyes. Thats not to say Eli is 100% culpable for the Giants recent ineptitude. But he absolutely deserves a disproportionate share of the blame.
And yes  
Josh in the City : 7/12/2019 9:18 pm : link
Davis Webb sucks. Even though I had high hopes from him when he was here bc of all the glowing reviews and work ethic we heard out of training camp.
RE: meh  
Jay on the Island : 7/12/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14497770 fanofthejets said:
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Ultimately it would shock me if Webb beats out Semian. Semian is a middling starter but a top backup and if god forbid something happens to Sam...he's a guy you'd have confidence in to at least be a low risk game manager for a few weeks

That said Webb has surprised a lot of people and hope he keeps it up. Could be some trade value building here

No there is no value building there. There is no new tape on Webb since the Giants cut him and every team passed on claiming him for free.

The coaches raved about him last year and look what happened. There is not going to be a market for Webb just because a few coaches praise him once again.
RE: Josh..  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/13/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14497259 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is that rare breed of poster that is pissed because the team didn't do what he wanted them to. He championed selecting a QB and when the team didn't do it - they were wrong.

Then he watched Barkley have an incredible year and still
whined and bitched about not taking a QB.

All fucking year long.

FTFY. Although it's really every year that Josh whines. It's all he does. I'm still waiting for the first draft pick that he actually likes.
RE: meh  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/13/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14497770 fanofthejets said:
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Ultimately it would shock me if Webb beats out Semian. Semian is a middling starter but a top backup and if god forbid something happens to Sam...he's a guy you'd have confidence in to at least be a low risk game manager for a few weeks

That said Webb has surprised a lot of people and hope he keeps it up. Could be some trade value building here

You're still here?

What you go back to whatever Jets hole you crawled out of and take your backwards views of humanity with you, troll.
RE: RE: Josh..  
Josh in the City : 7/13/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14498009 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14497259 FatMan in Charlotte said:


Quote:


is that rare breed of poster that is pissed because the team didn't do what he wanted them to. He championed selecting a QB and when the team didn't do it - they were wrong.

Then he watched Barkley have an incredible year and still whined and bitched about not taking a QB.

All fucking year long.


FTFY. Although it's really every year that Josh whines. It's all he does. I'm still waiting for the first draft pick that he actually likes.


I've actually loved our overall drafts the past two years. Just thought we made the wrong first pick in both.
LMAO  
dep026 : 7/13/2019 3:53 pm : link
I havenít seen a back peddle like that since Prime Deion.
RE: LMAO  
Mad Mike : 7/13/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14498117 dep026 said:
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I havenít seen a back peddle like that since Prime Deion.

Well played.
RE: LMAO  
Josh in the City : 7/13/2019 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14498117 dep026 said:
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I havenít seen a back peddle like that since Prime Deion.

Then show me where I complained about any other pick. Otherwise stfu thanks.
Dep doesnít prove anything, only accuses posters on theme  
Jimmy Googs : 7/13/2019 7:57 pm : link
He just assumes your lying and you have to show otherwise.

Actually quite smart albeit boorish...

Another  
dep026 : 7/13/2019 8:14 pm : link
Personal attack without context to the thread...

Creepy Stalker....
RE: RE: LMAO  
dep026 : 7/13/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14498213 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 14498117 dep026 said:


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I havenít seen a back peddle like that since Prime Deion.


Then show me where I complained about any other pick. Otherwise stfu thanks.


See hereís the thing Josh. YouĒre incessant whining and crying over the Barkley pick than the Daniel Jones pick takes up so much of this hoard when it happened, no one bothered reading another thing of yours. You cried about it before, during, and after the draft.

And your constant bitching of Barkley over Darnold I find HIGHLY amusing since you HATED Darnold before the draft and wanted us to draft Josh Allen. Now Iím sure youíre going to deny you never wanted Darnold, but everyone on this thread knows itís not true. Then you were all over trading for Rosen when again - you didnít even want him before the draft last year.

If thereís one thing thatís constant about draft time. Youíre not big and complaining.
I never really thought to  
crick n NC : 7/13/2019 8:23 pm : link
Even use "thanks" after I tell someone to stfu. Thanks for the tip.
We need more great insight like this on BBI....  
dep026 : 7/13/2019 8:31 pm : link
Quote:
Heís fucking horrible
Josh in the City : 4/25/2019 10:57 pm : link
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnít get any worse. Fire gettleman!
RE: RE: RE: LMAO  
Jimmy Googs : 7/13/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14498269 dep026 said:
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In comment 14498213 Josh in the City said:


Quote:


In comment 14498117 dep026 said:


Quote:


I havenít seen a back peddle like that since Prime Deion.


Then show me where I complained about any other pick. Otherwise stfu thanks.



See hereís the thing Josh. YouĒre incessant whining and crying over the Barkley pick than the Daniel Jones pick takes up so much of this hoard when it happened, no one bothered reading another thing of yours. You cried about it before, during, and after the draft.

And your constant bitching of Barkley over Darnold I find HIGHLY amusing since you HATED Darnold before the draft and wanted us to draft Josh Allen. Now Iím sure youíre going to deny you never wanted Darnold, but everyone on this thread knows itís not true. Then you were all over trading for Rosen when again - you didnít even want him before the draft last year.

If thereís one thing thatís constant about draft time. Youíre not big and complaining.


And this is related to Webb comments? How do you remember so much about this and every other poster you argue with which is no short list...seems creepy.
Because it was brought up by  
dep026 : 7/13/2019 9:31 pm : link
4 other posters and when you have a back and forth when someone is so blatantly wrong - itís easy to remember.

But I guess attacking posters who arenít addressing you whatsoever is the cool thing.

I thought you were trying to be better. Guess itís gonna take longer than we hoped.
Lay off this guy and maybe I will  
Jimmy Googs : 7/13/2019 9:49 pm : link
You keep crying wolf but youíre right there doing the same thing to others...

Lay off this guy???  
dep026 : 7/13/2019 10:08 pm : link
LMAO. Watch out everyone, itís the BBI police!!!

Itís absolutely hysterical how Fatman are so far in your head. All you do is follow us around, insult us, and provide no insight on anything. I mean we all know youíre a fucking creep... Iím just waiting for us your daddy...
I feel so silly  
santacruzom : 7/14/2019 3:09 am : link
In assuming that this thread would be about Davis Webb. QB threads around here rarely stay about the topical QB.
Yeah I am following you around looking for spots  
Jimmy Googs : 7/14/2019 6:35 am : link
where you tell everybody they have always been wrong

Its just so tough to find...
RE: RE: RE: LMAO  
Josh in the City : 7/14/2019 7:29 am : link
In comment 14498269 dep026 said:
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In comment 14498213 Josh in the City said:


Quote:


In comment 14498117 dep026 said:


Quote:


I havenít seen a back peddle like that since Prime Deion.


Then show me where I complained about any other pick. Otherwise stfu thanks.



See hereís the thing Josh. YouĒre incessant whining and crying over the Barkley pick than the Daniel Jones pick takes up so much of this hoard when it happened, no one bothered reading another thing of yours. You cried about it before, during, and after the draft.

And your constant bitching of Barkley over Darnold I find HIGHLY amusing since you HATED Darnold before the draft and wanted us to draft Josh Allen. Now Iím sure youíre going to deny you never wanted Darnold, but everyone on this thread knows itís not true. Then you were all over trading for Rosen when again - you didnít even want him before the draft last year.

If thereís one thing thatís constant about draft time. Youíre not big and complaining.

Sounds like you're now deflecting and trying to change the subject after making yet another inaccurate statement about my posting. Still waiting for you to show me all the draft picks I've complained about aside from the first two picks in the past two drafts. You can't bc as usual you're talking out of your ass. Pathetic.
Lol  
dep026 : 7/14/2019 8:08 am : link
Deflecting? Or did I hit a soft spot? Itís ok buddy. When you consistently complain that we didnít get the QB YOU wanted in the draft... thatís complaining about the draft. I know you donít understand that... but you will one day.
RE: Yeah I am following you around looking for spots  
dep026 : 7/14/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14498340 Jimmy Googs said:
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where you tell everybody they have always been wrong

Its just so tough to find...


Relax son. Try to post about the topic. You always seem to go off kilter... like you have ADD or something...
And I love how these two posters  
dep026 : 7/14/2019 8:22 am : link
Are like ďwell if you canít find the specfic post from 18 months ago from some random thread.... then youíre a liar.Ē For Christ sakes. When people say stupid shit time and time and time and time again... itís not hard to remember.

Well except for the people who say it and donít want to admit it...

So letís get back into this thread topic.

1. Davis Webb sucks and always has.
So maybe just try to forget...  
Jimmy Googs : 7/14/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14498356 dep026 said:
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When people say stupid shit time and time and time and time again... itís not hard to remember.
.


And Davis Webb falls within the same long line of  
Jimmy Googs : 7/14/2019 11:32 am : link
backups for Eli that cannot even hold a job as a backup. Or even remotely give any confidence to hold their if pressed into duty.

Not that success rate is high around the NFL but our backup guys look like chickens with their heads cut off.

Is manning being criticized  
crick n NC : 7/14/2019 2:13 pm : link
For lack of success of his backups?
If anything, the backups have praised Eli for being a role model  
Jimmy Googs : 7/14/2019 3:40 pm : link
so would think not. Would look more to commitment of those reserves and how much coaches give them attention on and off field.
114 post thread on a former 3rd string QB for the Giants....  
Britt in VA : 7/14/2019 4:09 pm : link
current 3rd string QB for the Jets.

Must be the offseason.
RE: Lol  
Josh in the City : 7/14/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14498352 dep026 said:
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Deflecting? Or did I hit a soft spot? Itís ok buddy. When you consistently complain that we didnít get the QB YOU wanted in the draft... thatís complaining about the draft. I know you donít understand that... but you will one day.

Still waiting...and i figure i will be for a while. Bc as usual you talk out of your ass.
RE: RE: Lol  
dep026 : 7/14/2019 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14498695 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 14498352 dep026 said:


Quote:


Deflecting? Or did I hit a soft spot? Itís ok buddy. When you consistently complain that we didnít get the QB YOU wanted in the draft... thatís complaining about the draft. I know you donít understand that... but you will one day.


Still waiting...and i figure i will be for a while. Bc as usual you talk out of your ass.


Lol. 5 other posters said the same thing. Canít wait for you to claim to want six different QBs instead of the one we chose. Letís check the list...

Darnold
Allen
Rosen
Haskins
Lock

Who else?????
Dep  
Josh in the City : 7/15/2019 8:05 am : link
Iím not sure how old you are but now you just sound like a child. Mommy, they said it so I could say it too! The other 6 posters are wrong and so are you. Grow up dude.
RE: Dep  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/15/2019 8:10 am : link
In comment 14498904 Josh in the City said:
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Iím not sure how old you are but now you just sound like a child. Mommy, they said it so I could say it too! The other 6 posters are wrong and so are you. Grow up dude.


Did the guy who spent the majority of the past year and a half bitching about picking Barkley over Darnold and who started multiple threads on the situation just call another poster a child??

Fucking bizarro world.
RE: Dep  
dep026 : 7/15/2019 8:29 am : link
In comment 14498904 Josh in the City said:
Quote:
Iím not sure how old you are but now you just sound like a child. Mommy, they said it so I could say it too! The other 6 posters are wrong and so are you. Grow up dude.


You never answered my question. Youíre a joke Josh. Always have been, always will be.

RE: We need more great insight like this on BBI....  
dep026 : 7/15/2019 8:30 am : link
In comment 14498272 dep026 said:
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Quote:


Heís fucking horrible
Josh in the City : 4/25/2019 10:57 pm : link
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnít get any worse. Fire gettleman!



I go back to this quote and this is one joshís most logical posts. Just a nuisance on this board.
RE: RE: Dep  
Josh in the City : 7/15/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14498915 dep026 said:
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In comment 14498904 Josh in the City said:


Quote:


Iím not sure how old you are but now you just sound like a child. Mommy, they said it so I could say it too! The other 6 posters are wrong and so are you. Grow up dude.



You never answered my question. Youíre a joke Josh. Always have been, always will be.

What was your question? Unlike you, I have no problem acknowledging and responding to statements I've made in the past. And even the statement you're referring to right above, I stand by that today. While I hope like hell I'm wrong, I believe it was an unbelievably terrible pick.

I also stated when we drafted Barkley, I thought he would be amazing, but I also thought it was the absolute wrong pick b/c of position value and how good I expected some of those QB's to be. I stand by that statement as well. You can make fun of those statements all you want and I can still think you're like most typically shortsighted fans.
Only on BBI can a Davis Webb stinks thread be turned into a  
fredgbrown : 7/15/2019 2:37 pm : link
Eli Stinks thread. I guess Eli haters have at it...
Trust me  
dep026 : 7/15/2019 2:47 pm : link
We make fun of your statements all the time.....
RE: Trust me  
Josh in the City : 7/15/2019 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14499223 dep026 said:
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We make fun of your statements all the time.....

That's why you sound so oblivious in your posts. You revert to name-calling and saying things like "5 other posters said the same thing" b/c you can't come up with an original thought and you realize your posts have no substance.

Still waiting for you to show me all the draft picks I've complained about aside from the first two picks in the past two drafts. But alas, you can't...b/c as usual, you're talking out of your ass. But keep making fun...you sound real cool.
LMAO  
dep026 : 7/15/2019 3:14 pm : link
Summer school didnít do you much favors.
The Barkley pick..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/15/2019 3:18 pm : link
discussion alone should cement exactly what kind of acumen you have.

Not only did you keep reiterating he was a terrible pick, you did it throughout the season when the guy should have obviously shut you up.

But looking smart probably isn't high on the priority list for you.

Then to call for Gettleman to be fired on draft night and much of the time since then? Yeah - you are pretty much a fucking moron.
RE: The Barkley pick..  
ron mexico : 7/15/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14499258 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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discussion alone should cement exactly what kind of acumen you have.

Not only did you keep reiterating he was a terrible pick, you did it throughout the season when the guy should have obviously shut you up.

But looking smart probably isn't high on the priority list for you.

Then to call for Gettleman to be fired on draft night and much of the time since then? Yeah - you are pretty much a fucking moron.


As awesome as we was last year, nothings settled. We won 5 games. I wouldn't be taking any victory laps.

RE: The Barkley pick..  
dep026 : 7/15/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14499258 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
discussion alone should cement exactly what kind of acumen you have.

Not only did you keep reiterating he was a terrible pick, you did it throughout the season when the guy should have obviously shut you up.

But looking smart probably isn't high on the priority list for you.

Then to call for Gettleman to be fired on draft night and much of the time since then? Yeah - you are pretty much a fucking moron.


Donít forget he wanted to draft...

Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
And Josh Allen

He got all his bases cover in case one actually has a productive career. Such acumen!!
RE: RE: The Barkley pick..  
Josh in the City : 7/15/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14499264 dep026 said:
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In comment 14499258 FatMan in Charlotte said:


Quote:


discussion alone should cement exactly what kind of acumen you have.

Not only did you keep reiterating he was a terrible pick, you did it throughout the season when the guy should have obviously shut you up.

But looking smart probably isn't high on the priority list for you.

Then to call for Gettleman to be fired on draft night and much of the time since then? Yeah - you are pretty much a fucking moron.



Donít forget he wanted to draft...

Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
And Josh Allen

He got all his bases cover in case one actually has a productive career. Such acumen!!

Actually, I didn't want to draft all of them. I thought when we were drafting at #2 overall in what was considered one of the best QB classes in recent memory with a then 37 yr old QB at the end of his career that we should be drafting our future QB over any RB. But as usual, you will attempt to rewrite history to try and draw an inaccurate conclusion either due to your inability to understand basic team-building concepts or a conscious effort to manipulate the facts. This has predictably become your modus operandi and it's quite petty and pathetic.
Wait so you just bitched  
dep026 : 7/15/2019 4:23 pm : link
About not drafting them now? Even though you dedicated a whole thread to saying to draft Josh Allen? Then complained all season we didnít take Darnold over Barkley and then cried this whole offseason we didnít trade for Rosen.

Things that make you go 🤔
RE: Wait so you just bitched  
Josh in the City : 7/15/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14499300 dep026 said:
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About not drafting them now? Even though you dedicated a whole thread to saying to draft Josh Allen? Then complained all season we didnít take Darnold over Barkley and then cried this whole offseason we didnít trade for Rosen.

Things that make you go 🤔

English next time. Don't even know what ☝️ is supposed to me.
mean  
Josh in the City : 7/15/2019 4:25 pm : link
.
The 2017 QB Draft Class  
JonC : 7/15/2019 4:49 pm : link
wound up not really being the powerhouse it was projected to be. The fact there was so little consensus on them tells you a lot, if you choose to not ignore it.
And I say that  
JonC : 7/15/2019 4:50 pm : link
as one who wanted to draft Darnold.

Not worried about the SB pick in the least, he's one of the very best FOOTBALL players on the planet.
Wrong emoji  
dep026 : 7/15/2019 4:54 pm : link
Better luck next time.
RE: The 2017 QB Draft Class  
ron mexico : 7/15/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14499315 JonC said:
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wound up not really being the powerhouse it was projected to be. The fact there was so little consensus on them tells you a lot, if you choose to not ignore it.


You mean 2018?

A bit early to reach that conclusion, no?
Yes, 2018  
JonC : 7/15/2019 5:42 pm : link
and I'm referring to how they were actually viewed and drafted on draft day, relative to how they were viewed before scouting season had completed (and where fans like Josh have nailed down their hat).

Fans need to understand that simply drafting the best player at any position just because you have a need for them, doesn't meant they were a smart (or the right or best) pick. You've got to believe in the player.
4 QBs were taken in the first 10 picks  
ron mexico : 7/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
Has that ever happened before?
Off the top of my head, I don't know  
JonC : 7/15/2019 5:53 pm : link
but the QBs were largely not viewed as strongly on draft day, many front office personnel spoke about it, it also made its way to the media. Much was already said about teams heavily drafting for need and taking bigger risks on finding a QB. Time will confirm or disprove which position is more accurate.
Huh? That crop of 2018 QBs had a pretty damn nice year  
Jimmy Googs : 7/15/2019 10:31 pm : link
not following the logic there...
RE: 4 QBs were taken in the first 10 picks  
Mad Mike : 7/15/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14499366 ron mexico said:
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Has that ever happened before?

Not since the 1940's.
RE: 4 QBs were taken in the first 10 picks  
cjac : 7/16/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14499366 ron mexico said:
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Has that ever happened before?


3 of them are now in the same division

Jets
Bills
Dolphins
I personally don't put a lot of weight  
JonC : 7/16/2019 2:06 pm : link
in the QB evaluation abilities of the Browns, Jets, Bills, or Cards.

The talk leading up to the draft was many talent evaluators did not hold the QB group in as high of regard at the draft as they did earlier in the scouting season, before complete evaluations were completed. Take it for what you will. The Giants were one of those teams, I shared that here at that time.
JonC....it seems like a lot of these teams drafted the QBs  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/16/2019 2:14 pm : link
based on where they had them before their last season. Drafting on hope of what they can become and not where the evaluations were at. Specifically Rosen and Darnold. I think Baker is the real deal and showed as much on the field and off in college.
And the evaluation for Baker is coming from Dorsey  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/16/2019 2:16 pm : link
The guy who drafted Rodgers and Mahomes.
one out of four ain't bad  
JonC : 7/16/2019 2:22 pm : link
Really, the argument is Darnold or Barkley. At the draft I preferred Darnold, but if NYG didn't believe in him to lead them to championships, then that's it. The rest, time will tell.
I was hoping it was going to be Baker, but as soon as it became clear  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/16/2019 2:26 pm : link
he was going one I was all aboard the Barkley train. You don't just get a chance to draft a sure thing like him too often. Plenty of QBs like Darnold coming out the college pipeline these days.
and that's precisely the point  
JonC : 7/16/2019 2:48 pm : link
You don't draft one for the sake of it, the value and belief have got to be there.
RE: and that's precisely the point  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/16/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14500004 JonC said:
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You don't draft one for the sake of it, the value and belief have got to be there.


I'm a firm believer it is about fit as it is about anything else. John Dorsey just made Freddie Kitchens a head coach because of his relationship with Baker. Time will tell if this was a good decision or not, but I understand the thought process.
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