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NFT: What is the definition of bannable political content

.McL. : 7/11/2019 5:11 pm
I didn't see the threads from earlier to which Eric was referring in his pinned post.

However I was surprised that the Master List of Offensive Items thread survived last week. Granted, that one didn't turn into a complete mess the way these threads tend to go.

Talking about whether or not the Betsy Ross flag is an offensive symbol now, and what is happening at the border was ok.

And I assume anything about specific political persons, or parties is off limits.

That leads me to my question posed in the title.

Where exactly is the line drawn?

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I think part of the problem is that  
adamg : 7/11/2019 5:17 pm : link
Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues.

And I think the onus is on the thread starter or the person who introduces the political topic (if it's not the thread starter). How can you ban someone for responding to a post that shouldn't have been there in the first place?
Perhaps here's a good way to approach it  
Anando : 7/11/2019 5:18 pm : link
If you have to think twice about whether to post it or not, just err on the side of caution and DONT
RE: I think part of the problem is that  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14496858 adamg said:
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Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues


My tea kettle is blue  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/11/2019 5:26 pm : link
So I can post whatever
RE: My tea kettle is blue  
madgiantscow009 : 7/11/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14496866 Sneakers O'toole said:
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So I can post whatever


unless your pot is also blue.
I didn't think of that  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/11/2019 5:32 pm : link
Good point
If you have to ask...  
Karl Hungus : 7/11/2019 5:41 pm : link
...
If I were you I'd roll the dice  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2019 5:44 pm : link
if you're not sure, just post it.

I would stay away from  
George from PA : 7/11/2019 5:47 pm : link
Any use of the word great..as in great again, never great etc.

Requesting More love, less hate

Any variety of gender

Any daytime talk show that is women lead.

Any cable news topic

Religion

Unemployed Actors with too much time in there hands

Feel free to add
if you can't  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/11/2019 5:54 pm : link
discuss something without "needing" to bring up political figures/ideologies to have an honest discussion, don't start the thread.

Sometimes people just can't help themselves and it's possible that a thread about "Best Toasters" becomes a political warzone but that's not on the OP.
Also, do not use  
George from PA : 7/11/2019 5:58 pm : link
The word green.

Anything racist. Warning:Could be anything

Anything woke. Warning: not sure what that means

Trolls, smart-asses, and attention whores are also bannable  
Marty in Albany : 7/11/2019 6:09 pm : link
so don't get too cute.
I absolutely hate the decision....  
bw in dc : 7/11/2019 6:10 pm : link
by the BBI intelligentsia to ban political threads. Itís so un-American to me.

BBI was at its best in the late 90s when it was anything goes. It was very bloody and dirty around here...just the way I liked it. It was very raw and unplugged. You really needed a spine and tough skin.

Alas, the spineless, thin-skinned, overly-sensitive crowd won.

Those are the posters who should be banned.
I don't participate much in social media  
jcn56 : 7/11/2019 6:14 pm : link
For whatever reason, I joined the Nextdoor site - just to get posts on what's happening in the neighborhood, not to post or be active in any way.

On that site - you name the topic, in 5 posts you will more often than not end up in a political bitchfest. Most recently, one for fireworks and another asking for recommendations for a company to repair a fence (I shit you not).

So although I am fine with a ban on politics, I think it's time for some next gen analytics to find the people who twist all conversations in that direction and have them meet the banhammer.
RE: I absolutely hate the decision....  
Stan in LA : 7/11/2019 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14496883 bw in dc said:
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by the BBI intelligentsia to ban political threads. Itís so un-American to me.

BBI was at its best in the late 90s when it was anything goes. It was very bloody and dirty around here...just the way I liked it. It was very raw and unplugged. You really needed a spine and tough skin.

Alas, the spineless, thin-skinned, overly-sensitive crowd won.

Those are the posters who should be banned.


bw, want an intelligent political discussion?
Go here - ( New Window )
It's hard in today's political environment  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/11/2019 6:57 pm : link
Not for stuff to get political. It's the world we live in, for better or worse.
RE: I think part of the problem is that  
Bill L : 7/11/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14496858 adamg said:
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Fatman, myself, and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues.

And I think the onus is on the thread starter or the person who introduces the political topic (if it's not the thread starter). How can you ban someone for responding to a post that shouldn't have been there in the first place?


Edited for truth.
RE: It's hard in today's political environment  
jcn56 : 7/11/2019 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14496911 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Not for stuff to get political. It's the world we live in, for better or worse.


That's kind of a cop out. Works in some cases - I would expect even reasonable people to end up in hot water discussing things like abortion.

But dude - a guy asking for recommendations on who can come fix his fence went political in literally 20 minutes. Some people can't help themselves, and those folks need their keyboards revoked permanently.
all  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/11/2019 7:12 pm : link
of the stuff you mention is off limits.

In a nutshell, most current events are off limits unless they are apolitical. But BBI posters have a way of making even apolitical current events political.

I get the sense some are testing the moderators again. The ban hammer is coming. It would be a shame to lose someone for a year or more just two weeks from camp.
RE: I absolutely hate the decision....  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 7/11/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14496883 bw in dc said:
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by the BBI intelligentsia to ban political threads. Itís so un-American to me.

BBI was at its best in the late 90s when it was anything goes. It was very bloody and dirty around here...just the way I liked it. It was very raw and unplugged. You really needed a spine and tough skin.

Alas, the spineless, thin-skinned, overly-sensitive crowd won.

Those are the posters who should be banned.

The internets is made out of overly sensitive souls easily triggered by words on a screen. Pathetic hysteric souls.
RE: It's hard in today's political environment  
madgiantscow009 : 7/11/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14496911 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Not for stuff to get political. It's the world we live in, for better or worse.


sure, if you're emotionally immature.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/11/2019 7:40 pm : link
On most internet platforms there is no more free speech.

Free-for-all discussions are no longer allowed without economic punishment.

There is absolutely no incentive anymore to allow discussions that many big tech and media companies consider hate speech. And I have everything to lose.

And as I've stated over and over, the wear-and-tear on the moderators dealing with that mess simply is not worth it either.

You want to discuss politics? There are thousands of sites out there.
RE: RE: It's hard in today's political environment  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/11/2019 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14496922 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14496911 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Not for stuff to get political. It's the world we live in, for better or worse.



That's kind of a cop out. Works in some cases - I would expect even reasonable people to end up in hot water discussing things like abortion.

But dude - a guy asking for recommendations on who can come fix his fence went political in literally 20 minutes. Some people can't help themselves, and those folks need their keyboards revoked permanently.


I didn't see that thread. That is weak.
I've been consistent  
Jay in Toronto : 7/11/2019 7:53 pm : link
ad hominems
RE: I absolutely hate the decision....  
Big Al : 7/11/2019 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14496883 bw in dc said:
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by the BBI intelligentsia to ban political threads. Itís so un-American to me.

BBI was at its best in the late 90s when it was anything goes. It was very bloody and dirty around here...just the way I liked it. It was very raw and unplugged. You really needed a spine and tough skin.

Alas, the spineless, thin-skinned, overly-sensitive crowd won.

Those are the posters who should be banned.
It was fun back then. I enjoyed some of the things I was called in some of the discussions by some of the more ďcolorfulĒ posters.

When you say ďAlas, the spineless, thin-skinned, overly-sensitive crowd won.Ē You are really talking about society as a whole, not BBI, which needs to go with the flow to survive.
Big Al  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/11/2019 7:57 pm : link
Bingo.
RE: ...  
.McL. : 7/11/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14496942 Eric from BBI said:
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On most internet platforms there is no more free speech.

Free-for-all discussions are no longer allowed without economic punishment.

There is absolutely no incentive anymore to allow discussions that many big tech and media companies consider hate speech. And I have everything to lose.

And as I've stated over and over, the wear-and-tear on the moderators dealing with that mess simply is not worth it either.

You want to discuss politics? There are thousands of sites out there.


Generally speaking, I am not one to talk about politics on here. I come here for football... Politics is in fact a topic I generally avoid unless I know the other party very very well.

I was surprised that the List of Offensive Items survived and didn't result in bans. Admittedly, after it survived for a couple of days, I posted on there, just some statistics from the gov't, I didn't really engage. But given the warning today, it has me wondering...
If someone makes a monetary contribution to the site and you ban them,  
tony stg : 7/11/2019 8:07 pm : link
do you give them a pro rated refund?
it's been this way forever...  
BCD : 7/11/2019 8:15 pm : link
thanks to Eric for sticking to his guns once again....there a million site to debate ...fight...agree with but not here...want to get Banned try Eric....and you're outta here!!!
Tony-  
Bill in TN : 7/11/2019 8:16 pm : link
Good question. Eric?
RE: Tony-  
Jay in Toronto : 7/11/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14496970 Bill in TN said:
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Good question. Eric?


This is getting silly.

Maybe he should be fined extra for the hassles created for the mods?
I don't miss the political threads at all.  
Mr. Bungle : 7/11/2019 8:24 pm : link
Let's just say this place isn't exactly loaded with Mensa members.

Nobody learns anything. Nobody changes his mind on anything. Most aren't nearly as informed as they fancy themselves to be. Many just regurgitate what they read/heard elsewhere, without even changing the easily detectable buzzwords.

What's there to miss?
How is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2019 8:31 pm : link
this true??

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I think part of the problem is that
adamg : 5:17 pm : link : reply
Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues.


I posted about things that are deemed offensive in today's society. I talked about Kaepernick. Unless I'm mistaken and he's a political figure, how is discussing his references to a Colonial flag political?

It was a discussion on society's hair-trigger faux outrage to non-offensive symbols.

Now others on that thread made it political, but the thread started itself had no political references. No discussion of political figures or parties.
RE: If someone makes a monetary contribution to the site and you ban them,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/11/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14496963 tony stg said:
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do you give them a pro rated refund?


I've always provided refunds upon request.
RE: RE: If someone makes a monetary contribution to the site and you ban them,  
tony stg : 7/11/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14496995 Eric from BBI said:
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I've always provided refunds upon request.


Thank you for your reply, Eric.

RE: I absolutely hate the decision....  
crick n NC : 7/11/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14496883 bw in dc said:
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by the BBI intelligentsia to ban political threads. Itís so un-American to me.

BBI was at its best in the late 90s when it was anything goes. It was very bloody and dirty around here...just the way I liked it. It was very raw and unplugged. You really needed a spine and tough skin.

Alas, the spineless, thin-skinned, overly-sensitive crowd won.

Those are the posters who should be banned.


Discussion is one thing. People foaming at the mouth saying awful things to one another isn't discussion in my view. I don't understand the need for a topic to be bloody.
The problem is you canít talk politics  
dep026 : 7/11/2019 10:06 pm : link
Without getting personal or attacking the other view.

Take the Rapinoe thread. For the most part, I thought it was a great back and forth. My view point was different than UConns and Christians and a few others I canít remmeber. It never got personal and it never got ugly. Just a back and forth that I actually enjoyed because even if I donít agree with the opposite viewpoint, I enjoy learning from it.

But it takes a few posters to make it unbearable and thatís why Eric or another mod deletes than bans.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 7/11/2019 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14496942 Eric from BBI said:
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On most internet platforms there is no more free speech.

Free-for-all discussions are no longer allowed without economic punishment.

There is absolutely no incentive anymore to allow discussions that many big tech and media companies consider hate speech. And I have everything to lose.

And as I've stated over and over, the wear-and-tear on the moderators dealing with that mess simply is not worth it either.

You want to discuss politics? There are thousands of sites out there.


Fair enough. But hereís the problem for those ďbig tech and media companiesĒ - they arenít neutral. Many of them have declared which side of the aisle they roll with. So when they start regulating content, itís abundantly clear - to me - they tend to eliminate content that doesnít fit their view much more often that not...
The radical right and left make  
joeinpa : 7/12/2019 6:34 am : link
Discussing politics an exercise in futility. Keeping it off bbi is fine with me.
Look itís difficult  
Dave on the UWS : 7/12/2019 7:19 am : link
discussing politics with ANYONE these days. On a PUBLIC forum, it becomes like pouring gasoline on a smoldering fire. You canít do it. Thatís why theyíre banned. Civil discourse in this environment isnít possible anymore.
A private 1-1 conversation between adults is still possible. For example, last election cycle, Eric and I had a few Private conversations. We are friends on polar opposite sides of the fence. Because we are adults, we are still friends.
I support his decision to keep it off the site. Sadly itís necessary.
And BW is right, the late 90s WERE more interesting. There was still a measure of civility however.
I personally feel that we should also ban pizza threads  
Bockman : 7/12/2019 7:40 am : link
because some of you truly have awful taste in pizza.
...  
christian : 7/12/2019 7:48 am : link
It's absolutely possible to discuss current events without it being political.

As Dep and Fatman mentioned above, those two threads were about current events around patriotism and speech.

Fatman and I were getting at it, Dep and I were challenging each other. And even with a little heat, those exchanges stayed topical and not political. Hand to my heart I don't know Dep or FMiC's political views, and I guarantee they don't know mine.

There was no reason for them to *have* to get political. It's not impossible for adults to talk about current events without it getting political.

Same as it's possible to inject politics into nearly anything, it's possible not to.
RE: I think part of the problem is that  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 7/12/2019 7:56 am : link
In comment 14496858 adamg said:
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Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues.

And I think the onus is on the thread starter or the person who introduces the political topic (if it's not the thread starter). How can you ban someone for responding to a post that shouldn't have been there in the first place?


These are grown men.

If you run over somebody in your car ahould you not be responsible because they shouldn't have been in the road the first place?
RE: ...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/12/2019 8:17 am : link
In comment 14497121 christian said:
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It's absolutely possible to discuss current events without it being political.

As Dep and Fatman mentioned above, those two threads were about current events around patriotism and speech.

Fatman and I were getting at it, Dep and I were challenging each other. And even with a little heat, those exchanges stayed topical and not political. Hand to my heart I don't know Dep or FMiC's political views, and I guarantee they don't know mine.

There was no reason for them to *have* to get political. It's not impossible for adults to talk about current events without it getting political.

Same as it's possible to inject politics into nearly anything, it's possible not to.


That's an excellent summation.

we have to stop equating all discussions as being political, even when they don't venture into that territory

I don't particularly care what other people's politics are nor do I care about their religion and things like that.

Hell, I don't think I even align with any political party these days. I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. I basically follow the Party of FatMan....
If you're using the word "knee"  
Waldo Jeffers : 7/12/2019 8:41 am : link
It better be about an injury.

RE: RE: ...  
Moondawg : 7/12/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14497134 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
In comment 14497121 christian said:


Quote:


It's absolutely possible to discuss current events without it being political.

As Dep and Fatman mentioned above, those two threads were about current events around patriotism and speech.

Fatman and I were getting at it, Dep and I were challenging each other. And even with a little heat, those exchanges stayed topical and not political. Hand to my heart I don't know Dep or FMiC's political views, and I guarantee they don't know mine.

There was no reason for them to *have* to get political. It's not impossible for adults to talk about current events without it getting political.

Same as it's possible to inject politics into nearly anything, it's possible not to.



That's an excellent summation.

we have to stop equating all discussions as being political, even when they don't venture into that territory

I don't particularly care what other people's politics are nor do I care about their religion and things like that.

Hell, I don't think I even align with any political party these days. I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. I basically follow the Party of FatMan....


That..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/12/2019 10:49 am : link
photo is offensive on many levels.

I'm contacting the mods!
RE: RE: ...  
Bill in UT : 7/12/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14497134 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Hell, I don't think I even align with any political party these days. I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative.


That might make you a libertarian. Lot's of people take the same stance as you, including me. But on a practical basis, in this country, in these times, it's really an impossible position. The governmental costs of supporting social liberalism is so enormous that it can't co-exist with fiscal conservatism. Would you ever tell your representatives to vote against a program for the children, for women, for the poor or minorities because it's too expensive?
RE: RE: ...  
EricJ : 7/12/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14497134 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Hell, I don't think I even align with any political party these days. I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. I basically follow the Party of FatMan....


I think I am right there with you FMiC except when the social/liberal side negatively impacts fiscal responsibility.

Examples..
Gay marriage? Sure, marry your goat if you want.
Free healthcare for all including illegals? No chance in hell.
I also have a libera and conservative view on planned parenthood.  
EricJ : 7/12/2019 11:51 am : link
This would be my plan if I was in position to influence change.

I would fully fund planned parenthood. Will pay for your birth control pills and also your abortion.

You are an adult making an adult decision to have sex, an adult decision whether to use birth control AND a decision as to whether to have the baby if you get pregnant.

So, if you decide NOT to take advantage of the planned parenthood benefits, then you are raising the child on your own without government support. The gravy train will end. Having children will no longer be a money making proposition.
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