I didn't see the threads from earlier to which Eric was referring in his pinned post.
However I was surprised that the Master List of Offensive Items thread survived last week. Granted, that one didn't turn into a complete mess the way these threads tend to go.
Talking about whether or not the Betsy Ross flag is an offensive symbol now, and what is happening at the border was ok.
And I assume anything about specific political persons, or parties is off limits.
That leads me to my question posed in the title.
Where exactly is the line drawn?
I would fully fund planned parenthood. Will pay for your birth control pills and also your abortion.
You are an adult making an adult decision to have sex, an adult decision whether to use birth control AND a decision as to whether to have the baby if you get pregnant.
So, if you decide NOT to take advantage of the planned parenthood benefits, then you are raising the child on your own without government support. The gravy train will end. Having children will no longer be a money making proposition.
I would fully fund planned parenthood. Will pay for your birth control pills and also your abortion.
You are an adult making an adult decision to have sex, an adult decision whether to use birth control AND a decision as to whether to have the baby if you get pregnant.
So, if you decide NOT to take advantage of the planned parenthood benefits, then you are raising the child on your own without government support. The gravy train will end. Having children will no longer be a money making proposition.
That is not a libertarian view. I won't comment any further since you are venturing into the exact area Eric asked everyone not to, but I don't think you have a solid grasp of libertarian and conservative.
At least this example is neither a libertarian or conservative view.
Exactly... You can't make money on kids... they are so damn expensive. Even their shotty work free labor is over priced in the end!
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Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues
Name a single political thread I started.
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Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues.
And I think the onus is on the thread starter or the person who introduces the political topic (if it's not the thread starter). How can you ban someone for responding to a post that shouldn't have been there in the first place?
These are grown men.
If you run over somebody in your car ahould you not be responsible because they shouldn't have been in the road the first place?
Horrible analogy.
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Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues
Name a single political thread I started.
Changing the emphasis to address something never asked is a good tactic. I admire that.
Not just that I've started political threads, but that I'm too ignorant to realize it!!
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Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues.
And I think the onus is on the thread starter or the person who introduces the political topic (if it's not the thread starter). How can you ban someone for responding to a post that shouldn't have been there in the first place?
These are grown men.
If you run over somebody in your car ahould you not be responsible because they shouldn't have been in the road the first place?
And I think joeinpa has it about right.
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In comment 14496858 adamg said:
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Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues
Name a single political thread I started.
Changing the emphasis to address something never asked is a good tactic. I admire that.
I won't deny that I have a different POV and to one of you that might be construed as "ideological". But, I've never initiated a political discussion on this site. So, the analogy doesn't hold.
The Constanza theory - "Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it"
Great, you've never started a thread, you've only injected political opinions into other people's threads. Bravo.
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I won't deny that I have a different POV and to one of you that might be construed as "ideological". But, I've never initiated a political discussion on this site. So, the analogy doesn't hold.
The Constanza theory - "Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it"
Great, you've never started a thread, you've only injected political opinions into other people's threads. Bravo.
I injected politics in a thread about a political protest. Ok. Keep on keeping on Greg. That UVA education certainly paid off.
You're right. I was "grieviously" offended. That's what happened.
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Hell, I don't think I even align with any political party these days. I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. I basically follow the Party of FatMan....
I think I am right there with you FMiC except when the social/liberal side negatively impacts fiscal responsibility.
Examples..
Gay marriage? Sure, marry your goat if you want.
Free healthcare for all including illegals? No chance in hell.
If you are a fiscal conservative, you should realize the state should not recognize or oversee a non productive social arrangement like gay marriage. It's a sentimental issue appeal to emotionalism used buy our scum aggrandizing politicians and media.
Lol. Fatman on the other was not offended at all. The entire was not predicated on Fatman's delicate sensibilities.
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I think part of the problem is that
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Fatman and others don't even realize that what they're posting is political. True believers don't realize that they're ideologues.
I posted about things that are deemed offensive in today's society. I talked about Kaepernick. Unless I'm mistaken and he's a political figure, how is discussing his references to a Colonial flag political?
It was a discussion on society's hair-trigger faux outrage to non-offensive symbols.
Now others on that thread made it political, but the thread started itself had no political references. No discussion of political figures or parties.
Please don't get me wrong, I thought the thread was interesting and was glad to read it.
That said, Kaepernick has not been a football player for several years. At the same time he is a public figure, and has most certainly taken a public political stances, and represented a specific political ideology. It could easily be argued that at this point he is more a political figure than a football figure.
The "faux-outrage" is an interesting comment in and of itself. Outrage seems to be largely endemic to a particular political ideology. Expressing it as "faux-outrage" seems to be endemic to the opposite ideology. Thus raising the issue of outrage can be argued is raising a political topic, and calling it "faux" can be construed as taking a political stance opposing it.
I will grant that the exercise I just went through, is largely the same exercise that the specific political ideology goes through when they express outrage. I only do it to point out that, while I understand that you and possibly many others do not think that you were being political, those subjects can be a lightening rod for others. Which brings me full circle to the point of this thread. I am still not 100% clear on where the political line is drawn. I am perfectly happy to say that the Master List of Offensive Items thread is OK, but it pushes up against that line. As I said, I found it to be an interesting thread. I did not see the Rapinoe thread...
He is not calling for political action - he called for Nike to stop production of the footwear. Just like I wouldn't call wearing pig socks a political protest - but a social protest and a horrendous fashion choice.
There were others on that thread who took the political route. I will rarely get drawn into those discussions.
So the ban is better, I'd rather be ignorant and enjoy the posts of people who I might otherwise find pretty repugnant. Ignorance is bliss.
Is that political?
That's me when I find out the meat in my pho is tripe.
stupid menus with pictures only.
For most purposes, it refers to Social Media Warriors, of which I assume span the spectrum of beliefs.
But for arguments sake, I like pj's take better....
America is basically like a couple in a bad marriage who refuses to get divorced because neither wants to give the house to the other one.
He is not calling for political action - he called for Nike to stop production of the footwear. Just like I wouldn't call wearing pig socks a political protest - but a social protest and a horrendous fashion choice.
There were others on that thread who took the political route. I will rarely get drawn into those discussions.
You're fighting an uphill battle... even Kaepernick doesn't know what he's protesting. Cops, racism, economic balkanization, America... take your pick.
If you are a fiscal conservative, you should realize the state should not recognize or oversee a non productive social arrangement like gay marriage. It's a sentimental issue appeal to emotionalism used buy our scum aggrandizing politicians and media.
"Recognizing it" has no fiscal impact. I never said they should oversee anything.
Politics like anything else should be a negotiation where both sides get walk away with something. Unfortunately, that is no longer acceptable. You have to completely win in politics and your opponent is not allowed to also be happy with the end result.
My planned parenthood proposal would appeal to both sides.
For most purposes, it refers to Social Media Warriors, of which I assume span the spectrum of beliefs.
But for arguments sake, I like pj's take better....
Look, I get it, I am not arguing one side or the other.
And adamg is exactly right, and I wasn't exactly stumbling onto it, it was my main point, even if I didn't state it succinctly. What is deemed political is likely to be in the eye of the beholder.
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I won't deny that I have a different POV and to one of you that might be construed as "ideological". But, I've never initiated a political discussion on this site. So, the analogy doesn't hold.
The Constanza theory - "Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it"
Great, you've never started a thread, you've only injected political opinions into other people's threads. Bravo.
I injected politics in a thread about a political protest. Ok. Keep on keeping on Greg. That UVA education certainly paid off.
Posting in a thread is injecting a pov into the thread. A much less expensive degree than one from UVA would be needed to learn that.
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If you are a fiscal conservative, you should realize the state should not recognize or oversee a non productive social arrangement like gay marriage. It's a sentimental issue appeal to emotionalism used buy our scum aggrandizing politicians and media.
"Recognizing it" has no fiscal impact. I never said they should oversee anything.
Politics like anything else should be a negotiation where both sides get walk away with something. Unfortunately, that is no longer acceptable. You have to completely win in politics and your opponent is not allowed to also be happy with the end result.
My planned parenthood proposal would appeal to both sides.
I would appreciate no personal political ideologies, or policies in this thread. This is *NOT* a political thread, let's keep it that way.
Posting in a thread is injecting a pov into the thread. A much less expensive degree than one from UVA would be needed to learn that.
Bright guy. Obviously, any statement can be construed as a POV. The question is whether it's political or not. Dope.
Is that political?
That's me when I find out the meat in my pho is tripe.
stupid menus with pictures only.
you're a philistine. In Asian dishes tripe is delectable.
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Posting in a thread is injecting a pov into the thread. A much less expensive degree than one from UVA would be needed to learn that.
Bright guy. Obviously, any statement can be construed as a POV. The question is whether it's political or not. Dope.
You have injected your political pov into threads. You seem to simultaneously not recognize those posts as being political (and they are) while at the same time trying to believe that only posting within a conversation but not starting the conversation immunizes you from being political (it doesn't).
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Pho outrage?
Is that political?
That's me when I find out the meat in my pho is tripe.
stupid menus with pictures only.
you're a philistine. In Asian dishes tripe is delectable.
It is good, but I couldn't think of a meat I didn't like. lol. scrapple?
America is basically like a couple in a bad marriage who refuses to get divorced because neither wants to give the house to the other one.
That's a crock. We've been fighting with one another since before we were even a country. The game hasn't changed, only the players and the equipment have.
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outrage isn't political nor does it lean to a certain political ideology.
For most purposes, it refers to Social Media Warriors, of which I assume span the spectrum of beliefs.
But for arguments sake, I like pj's take better....
Look, I get it, I am not arguing one side or the other.
And adamg is exactly right, and I wasn't exactly stumbling onto it, it was my main point, even if I didn't state it succinctly. What is deemed political is likely to be in the eye of the beholder.
And there are plenty who believe Kaepernick is a political figure... Here is just one of 100s of articles you can find if you google "kaepernick politics".
https://theundefeated.com/features/how-colin-kaepernick-became-a-cause-for-activists-civil-rights-groups/
Frankly, saying that he is making just a "social protest", is hiding your head in the sand. There is most definitely a political movement around him.
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Pho outrage?
Is that political?
That's me when I find out the meat in my pho is tripe.
stupid menus with pictures only.
you're a philistine. In Asian dishes tripe is delectable.
It is good, but I couldn't think of a meat I didn't like. lol. scrapple?
I like scrapple. How about liver.
My favorite chinese noodle soup is chock full of stewed beef tendons. It's a collagenny masterpiece. But tripe is also good in soup too. And there's a spicy tripe they always serve in dim sum houses that is great.
And if you google "Kaepernick dickhead", you'll get 100's of articles and some really interesting pictures.
It doesn't really matter if people "believe" he's a political figure. That alone doesn't make him one. He protests shit - sometimes stuff he doesn't even himself know what the fuck it is. Police. Treatment of minorities. Symbols. National Anthems. The game of football.
He is not a political figure. Are you really insinuating that because articles exist on the Internet that he is? You can find an article about almost anything!
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not really one country any more....we are two divided nations being forced to live together. What the hell does some professional in NYC have in common with someone who lives in rural Mississippi? Forget belonging to the same political party, we don't read the same news, watch the same shows, enjoy the same actives or share any common values. The NYC person has far more in common with someone who lives in London than Alabama.
America is basically like a couple in a bad marriage who refuses to get divorced because neither wants to give the house to the other one.
That's a crock. We've been fighting with one another since before we were even a country. The game hasn't changed, only the players and the equipment have.
Why is what Tesla said a crock... And you are right we have been fighting since before we were a country. I don't see the 2 points as mutually exclusive. In fact, many of the central themes of the fight, have been roughly the same for over 250 years.
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It's called machine learning. google can see in your pants.
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And there are plenty who believe Kaepernick is a political figure... Here is just one of 100s of articles you can find if you google "kaepernick politics".
And if you google "Kaepernick dickhead", you'll get 100's of articles and some really interesting pictures.
It doesn't really matter if people "believe" he's a political figure. That alone doesn't make him one. He protests shit - sometimes stuff he doesn't even himself know what the fuck it is. Police. Treatment of minorities. Symbols. National Anthems. The game of football.
He is not a political figure. Are you really insinuating that because articles exist on the Internet that he is? You can find an article about almost anything!
As usual, you are so wrapped up in your personal point of view that you completely missed the point. In this thread, I could not care less about what your personal opinion of Kaepernick is. Nor do I particularly care about the opinion of the article I posted. The point is, and you have perfectly illustrated it, is that there are opposing views of this.
The fact that some, in fact a large number of people, do believe he is a political figure gets to the very heart of this thread. As I said, what is political vs. apolitical is in the eye of the beholder.
And yes I am playing Devil's Advocate here. I am not expressing a particular political opinion, nor an opinion of Kaepernick. I am not arguing with your specific POV of him.
The point I am driving at is this:
Does a thread about a protest started by a figure such as Kaepernick, who some view as political and others couldn't give 2 shits about him and so they don't view him as political, count as a political thread or not. As I said, I am perfectly happy to say that it doesn't. I am just looking for clarity.
Though I loathe the way you behave on this site, this thread is not an attack on you or your POV of Kaepernick.
It makes me wonder the point of asking it in the first place.
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As I said, what is political vs. apolitical is in the eye of the beholder.
It makes me wonder the point of asking it in the first place.
Well if people are going to get banned, and there is a gray area, I think its important to explore it.
Perhaps, the gray area threads are simply monitored to make sure they don't get out of control. If they do, then they are deleted and the out of control individuals are warned but not banned. I don't have the answers, but I felt it was worth exploring.