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robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2019 7:36 pm
SA rescinded their offer to Morris per Woj and agrees to a deal with Trey Lyles.
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Signed already  
Strahan91 : 7/11/2019 7:38 pm : link
:)
.  
Anakim : 7/11/2019 7:38 pm : link
Marcus Morris plans to sign a one-year, $15M deal with the Knicks after reopening his agreement with the Spurs, per @ShamsCharania
Knicks get him for 15  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2019 7:38 pm : link
.
I don't know  
Anakim : 7/11/2019 7:40 pm : link
I think we're really lacking PFs...
..  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 7:54 pm : link
Smith/payton/frank
rj/ trier/ellington/dot
knox/morris/bullock/iggy
randle/portis
robinson/gibson

Bigs are all interchangeable and can play together..

I could see some small ball with randle at 5 and morris at the 4 with knox at the 3...
He'll  
Jon in NYC : 7/11/2019 7:54 pm : link
start at the 3. We have a really deep team now which is weird. Probably 14 legitimate rotation players if you include guys like Ellington, Trier, Dotson, and Frank. Not a lot of high end starters mind you, but legitimate NBA guys for sure.
This is now a .500 team, I think.  
manh george : 7/11/2019 8:12 pm : link
A big part of last year's messes was the extreme lack of depth. The Knicks would have pockets of decent play, but they couldn't sustain.

And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.

Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.

Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.

Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?
RE: This is now a .500 team, I think.  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14496966 manh george said:
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A big part of last year's messes was the extreme lack of depth. The Knicks would have pockets of decent play, but they couldn't sustain.

And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.

Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.

Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.

Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?


iggy is the hard nose player every fan and teammate loves that will give you good minutes in spurts...

i dont think he is anything more than that..he will be a guy who can come in and give a spark when needed
zero chance he is a kevin love...  
Italianju : 7/11/2019 8:21 pm : link
if for no other reason then the fact that i think he is done growing, ha.

This is a really good signing. The knicks have added a ton of talent. Now will Fitz make a rotation and stick with it to allow these guys to get some rhythm together. Or will we be playing 14 guys a night and play 65 starting lineups. I think Knox can still earn the start at the 3, but Morris will play.
and i dont like to pound the  
Italianju : 7/11/2019 8:23 pm : link
media loves to mock the knicks drum. But i think its funny that ESPN is reporting it as Spurs withdraw offer when it sounds like this was 100% morris choosing the knicks offer. So the spurs withdrew it cause he didnt want to take it. Like the guy who is getting fired yelling "no i quit!"
Wojbomb Westbrook to Houston for CP3 + a bunch of firsts  
Eric on Li : 7/11/2019 8:28 pm : link
pretty good trade for both teams i think.
OKC rolling in picks while they ride out CP3's contract  
Eric on Li : 7/11/2019 8:29 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Oklahoma City Thunder have agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul, first-round picks in 2024 and 2026, pick swaps in 2021 and 2025, league sources tell ESPN.
I donít get this for OKC  
Strahan91 : 7/11/2019 8:31 pm : link
They couldnít find someone else offering the same value without having to take on CP3?
RE: I donít get this for OKC  
Eric on Li : 7/11/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14496980 Strahan91 said:
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They couldnít find someone else offering the same value without having to take on CP3?


I doubt it - Westbrook's contract is a ticking timebomb. Miami was interested but there were some who were speculating they were going to ask OKC to kick in picks to take Westbrook's $200m off their hands.
RE: I donít get this for OKC  
Nine-Tails : 7/11/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14496980 Strahan91 said:
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They couldnít find someone else offering the same value without having to take on CP3?


Agree, still on the hook for Paul for three more years at a crippling salary. Heís declining fast. If they want to get rid of Paul, theyíre going attach some of the assists they acquired .
Starting lineup  
Chris684 : 7/11/2019 8:35 pm : link
Smith
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson

That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. Iím excited to see what happens.
RE: and i dont like to pound the  
nygiants16 : 7/11/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14496975 Italianju said:
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media loves to mock the knicks drum. But i think its funny that ESPN is reporting it as Spurs withdraw offer when it sounds like this was 100% morris choosing the knicks offer. So the spurs withdrew it cause he didnt want to take it. Like the guy who is getting fired yelling "no i quit!"


buford probably leaks info to woj so hr has to spin it that way
Where is  
XBRONX : 7/11/2019 8:56 pm : link
Kadeem Allen?
RE: Where is  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14497007 XBRONX said:
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Kadeem Allen?


Westchester?
RE: Starting lineup  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14496990 Chris684 said:
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Smith
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson

That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. Iím excited to see what happens.


Same here...
RE: Starting lineup  
Eli Wilson : 7/11/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14496990 Chris684 said:
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Smith
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson

That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. Iím excited to see what happens.


I can't see Knox on the bench after starting all last year.

I think Morris, Knox and Randle is the starting front court.
RE: ..  
JustaDiscussion : 7/11/2019 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14496951 nygiants16 said:
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Smith/payton/frank
rj/ trier/ellington/dot
knox/morris/bullock/iggy
randle/portis
robinson/gibson

Bigs are all interchangeable and can play together..

I could see some small ball with randle at 5 and morris at the 4 with knox at the 3...


This seems to undervalue Bullock, Ignas, Ellington, Dotson, and Frank imo. For example, I personally would not be willing to say Trier is better than Dotson, let alone placing Trier 2 rungs higher than Dotson on a depth chart. It might work out this way, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the exact opposite of this line-up happened considering how similar I view all of the players on this team.
RE: RE: Starting lineup  
adamg : 7/11/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14497018 Eli Wilson said:
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In comment 14496990 Chris684 said:


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Smith
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson

That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. Iím excited to see what happens.



I can't see Knox on the bench after starting all last year.

I think Morris, Knox and Randle is the starting front court.


No Robinson?
RE: RE: RE: Starting lineup  
larryflower37 : 7/11/2019 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14497032 adamg said:
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In comment 14497018 Eli Wilson said:


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In comment 14496990 Chris684 said:


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Smith
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson

That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. Iím excited to see what happens.



I can't see Knox on the bench after starting all last year.

I think Morris, Knox and Randle is the starting front court.



No Robinson?


Robinson has had a foul issue and hasn't been able to stay on the floor. He will definitely be a rotation player with the current bigs.
others have said this but it bears repeating - Fiz is on the spot now  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2019 9:57 pm : link
- this is not a bad group of NBA players and it's up to Fiz to get a good rotation together and coach the team to a lot more wins this year.

There are no superstars on this team but there is depth, with relatively young vets who have proven NBA production mixed with first and second year players who have shown some potential. There is size. There are question marks, sure (depth at C, 3-point shooting and true PG play), but it's up to Fiz to minimize the weak spots and have the team play to its strengths.

I think it's going to be a fun year.
Glad they added him.  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 9:58 pm : link
If RJ proves capable of some ball handling responsibilities, you could close games with RJ, Dot/Trier (for more shooting), Morris, Randle, Mitch. Iíd enjoy that.
RE: others have said this but it bears repeating - Fiz is on the spot now  
Ron Johnson : 7/11/2019 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14497041 Del Shofner said:
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- this is not a bad group of NBA players and it's up to Fiz to get a good rotation together and coach the team to a lot more wins this year.

There are no superstars on this team but there is depth, with relatively young vets who have proven NBA production mixed with first and second year players who have shown some potential. There is size. There are question marks, sure (depth at C, 3-point shooting and true PG play), but it's up to Fiz to minimize the weak spots and have the team play to its strengths.

I think it's going to be a fun year.


If Fiz doesnít work out, Hire the Texas Tech coach. He made it to the finals with little talent and had his team playing outstanding defense
Iím waiting for Greg  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 10:51 pm : link
to post the Lance Thomas Appreciation Thread.
RE: Iím waiting for Greg  
Del Shofner : 7/11/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14497060 bceagle05 said:
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to post the Lance Thomas Appreciation Thread.


haha - is it clear Lance is actually gone? Don't see a spot for him with all the forwards being signed, but as others have pointed out, even after a nuclear blast there would be two survivors, cockroaches and Lance being on the Knicks.
Can't they flip this guy at the trade deadline for  
xman : 7/11/2019 10:57 pm : link
draft choices?
Too bad the Knicks couldn't pull out the rug on Bobby Portis.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2019 11:00 pm : link
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RE: Too bad the Knicks couldn't pull out the rug on Bobby Portis.  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 11:10 pm : link
Yeah, Portis and Ellington seem like pointless signings. We got a little carried away with these vet FAs.
Unless the Bullock signing falls apart completely  
bceagle05 : 7/11/2019 11:14 pm : link
I think weíve reached our roster limit. Lance will be a ďspecial advisorĒ soon enough.
Ellington is a vet. I don't mind having him to compete with/teach  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/11/2019 11:15 pm : link
the kids. He's getting a career high payday and I seriously doubt he'll be tripping over playing time.

Portis and Morris are redundant, although MM is clearly better. Portis also doesn't seem like a guy who will be cool with languishing on the bench.
Portis is our best backup 5  
Italianju : 7/11/2019 11:17 pm : link
Right now. I mean randle or taj in a small ball lineup I guess.

Plus hopefully we are moving some of the vets a couple months into the season.
Weíre either really playing positionless ball  
Phil in LA : 7/11/2019 11:45 pm : link
Or we are playing with positions, theyíre just all 4ís.
RE: RE: This is now a .500 team, I think.  
DCOrange : 7/12/2019 12:49 am : link
In comment 14496967 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14496966 manh george said:


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A big part of last year's messes was the extreme lack of depth. The Knicks would have pockets of decent play, but they couldn't sustain.

And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.

Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.

Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.

Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?



iggy is the hard nose player every fan and teammate loves that will give you good minutes in spurts...

i dont think he is anything more than that..he will be a guy who can come in and give a spark when needed


I assume you have watched hours of film to come up with that career prediction.
so i cant give my opinion?  
nygiants16 : 7/12/2019 7:05 am : link
if he becomes kevin love halleluja, but i dont think he is that type of player...

sorry just my opinion..
Looking at the Big picture  
Dave on the UWS : 7/12/2019 7:10 am : link
I think the Knicks have had a GREAT off-season. They were never getting Max players in reality without making the roster more attractive. Theyíve added a LOT of talent, on short contracts that can be used multiple ways in trades. These guys will help the team be better, maybe a LOT better, while also helping the 4 principle young guys (Mitch, Knox, RJ and Smith) learn their craft and grow. Itís all on the coaching staff now. The front office did their job. Now Fitz has to show he can coach. Looking at the East, no reason this canít be a 6-8 seed. Some of these vets (like Randle) may be pet of the long term solution. Theyíve done a good job of cleaning up a decade + of mess (similar to what DG has done). If the coaches can coach then the fall and winter should be more entertaining.
RE: Can't they flip this guy at the trade deadline for  
mfsd : 7/12/2019 7:10 am : link
In comment 14497065 xman said:
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draft choices?


I'm thinking (hoping) that's in part the plan...load up on some assets to be sold at auction for draft picks.

Otherwise, I can't see a real plan other than competing for the 8 seed. We've seen that movie before.
RE: RE: Can't they flip this guy at the trade deadline for  
nygiants16 : 7/12/2019 7:19 am : link
In comment 14497108 mfsd said:
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In comment 14497065 xman said:


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draft choices?



I'm thinking (hoping) that's in part the plan...load up on some assets to be sold at auction for draft picks.

Otherwise, I can't see a real plan other than competing for the 8 seed. We've seen that movie before.


no you have seen it with old vets with no future...

Knicks could make the 7th or 8th seed with 19 and 20 year old players with some vets sprinkled in..

RE: RE: RE: Can't they flip this guy at the trade deadline for  
mfsd : 7/12/2019 7:28 am : link
In comment 14497110 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14497108 mfsd said:


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In comment 14497065 xman said:


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draft choices?



I'm thinking (hoping) that's in part the plan...load up on some assets to be sold at auction for draft picks.

Otherwise, I can't see a real plan other than competing for the 8 seed. We've seen that movie before.



no you have seen it with old vets with no future...

Knicks could make the 7th or 8th seed with 19 and 20 year old players with some vets sprinkled in..


Yup true...we actually have some kids worth developing, no albatross contracts blowing up the future cap, and all our draft picks plus extras from the Porz trade. Just being a cranky Knicks fan on a Friday morning
RE: I don't know  
Pep22 : 7/12/2019 7:52 am : link
In comment 14496944 Anakim said:
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I think we're really lacking PFs...


This is not < 2010. They're not all PFs, they're all BIGs. There is 96 minutes a night to allocate among the 5 guys. Randle will get 30 of that. Gibson might get 10. There's 56 left and that isn't factoring the idea that Morris will get minutes at the 3 also. With Morris, your adding toughness, shooting and a trade asset.
I like this signing a lot. The knicks have been soft for a while now  
Heisenberg : 7/12/2019 8:18 am : link
The guys they brought in will change that.

All they guys they brought in are trade-able assets. I know it seems like a lot of 4's but we had Luke Kornet and Lance Thomas playing minutes at 4 last year. Portis and Gibson are basically backup 5s. And Morris can also play SF. I wouldn't worry about minutes because a) competition is good and b) I'm pretty sure one or more of these guys will get traded to a contender at the deadline.

Perry added a lot of experience and toughness. Just playing against these guys in practice will be good for the young guys.
also, there's nothing wrong with competing for the 8 seed.  
Heisenberg : 7/12/2019 8:20 am : link
The "Process" is dead with the new lottery odds. And this team needs to learn how to win games. Contending is a long way off.
Given the circumstances  
Chris684 : 7/12/2019 8:27 am : link
of KD going down the same sackless route as LeBron (plus I didn't even want him once he got injured), I'd say the Knicks have had an overall positive offseason.

RE: I like this signing a lot. The knicks have been soft for a while now  
Pep22 : 7/12/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14497135 Heisenberg said:
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The guys they brought in will change that.

All they guys they brought in are trade-able assets. I know it seems like a lot of 4's but we had Luke Kornet and Lance Thomas playing minutes at 4 last year. Portis and Gibson are basically backup 5s. And Morris can also play SF. I wouldn't worry about minutes because a) competition is good and b) I'm pretty sure one or more of these guys will get traded to a contender at the deadline.

Perry added a lot of experience and toughness. Just playing against these guys in practice will be good for the young guys.


Well said, you're right on the $.
Elsewhere in the Association.....  
Greg from LI : 7/12/2019 9:11 am : link
Grayson Allen remains a piece of shit
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Can't they flip this guy at the trade deadline for  
Enzo : 7/12/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14497065 xman said:
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draft choices?

only if he agrees to it. In the NBA, players on one-year deals have no-trade clauses.
Allen..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/12/2019 9:20 am : link
just doesn't get it.

The guy is just a fucking trainwreck.
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