start at the 3. We have a really deep team now which is weird. Probably 14 legitimate rotation players if you include guys like Ellington, Trier, Dotson, and Frank. Not a lot of high end starters mind you, but legitimate NBA guys for sure.
A big part of last year's messes was the extreme lack of depth. The Knicks would have pockets of decent play, but they couldn't sustain.
And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.
Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.
Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.
Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?
A big part of last year's messes was the extreme lack of depth. The Knicks would have pockets of decent play, but they couldn't sustain.
And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.
Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.
Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.
Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?
iggy is the hard nose player every fan and teammate loves that will give you good minutes in spurts...
i dont think he is anything more than that..he will be a guy who can come in and give a spark when needed
if for no other reason then the fact that i think he is done growing, ha.
This is a really good signing. The knicks have added a ton of talent. Now will Fitz make a rotation and stick with it to allow these guys to get some rhythm together. Or will we be playing 14 guys a night and play 65 starting lineups. I think Knox can still earn the start at the 3, but Morris will play.
media loves to mock the knicks drum. But i think its funny that ESPN is reporting it as Spurs withdraw offer when it sounds like this was 100% morris choosing the knicks offer. So the spurs withdrew it cause he didnt want to take it. Like the guy who is getting fired yelling "no i quit!"
Wojbomb Westbrook to Houston for CP3 + a bunch of firsts Â
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The Oklahoma City Thunder have agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul, first-round picks in 2024 and 2026, pick swaps in 2021 and 2025, league sources tell ESPN.
They couldn’t find someone else offering the same value without having to take on CP3?
I doubt it - Westbrook's contract is a ticking timebomb. Miami was interested but there were some who were speculating they were going to ask OKC to kick in picks to take Westbrook's $200m off their hands.
They couldn’t find someone else offering the same value without having to take on CP3?
Agree, still on the hook for Paul for three more years at a crippling salary. He’s declining fast. If they want to get rid of Paul, they’re going attach some of the assists they acquired .
media loves to mock the knicks drum. But i think its funny that ESPN is reporting it as Spurs withdraw offer when it sounds like this was 100% morris choosing the knicks offer. So the spurs withdrew it cause he didnt want to take it. Like the guy who is getting fired yelling "no i quit!"
buford probably leaks info to woj so hr has to spin it that way
Bigs are all interchangeable and can play together..
I could see some small ball with randle at 5 and morris at the 4 with knox at the 3...
This seems to undervalue Bullock, Ignas, Ellington, Dotson, and Frank imo. For example, I personally would not be willing to say Trier is better than Dotson, let alone placing Trier 2 rungs higher than Dotson on a depth chart. It might work out this way, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the exact opposite of this line-up happened considering how similar I view all of the players on this team.
- this is not a bad group of NBA players and it's up to Fiz to get a good rotation together and coach the team to a lot more wins this year.
There are no superstars on this team but there is depth, with relatively young vets who have proven NBA production mixed with first and second year players who have shown some potential. There is size. There are question marks, sure (depth at C, 3-point shooting and true PG play), but it's up to Fiz to minimize the weak spots and have the team play to its strengths.
If RJ proves capable of some ball handling responsibilities, you could close games with RJ, Dot/Trier (for more shooting), Morris, Randle, Mitch. I’d enjoy that.
RE: others have said this but it bears repeating - Fiz is on the spot now Â
- this is not a bad group of NBA players and it's up to Fiz to get a good rotation together and coach the team to a lot more wins this year.
There are no superstars on this team but there is depth, with relatively young vets who have proven NBA production mixed with first and second year players who have shown some potential. There is size. There are question marks, sure (depth at C, 3-point shooting and true PG play), but it's up to Fiz to minimize the weak spots and have the team play to its strengths.
I think it's going to be a fun year.
If Fiz doesn’t work out, Hire the Texas Tech coach. He made it to the finals with little talent and had his team playing outstanding defense
haha - is it clear Lance is actually gone? Don't see a spot for him with all the forwards being signed, but as others have pointed out, even after a nuclear blast there would be two survivors, cockroaches and Lance being on the Knicks.
Can't they flip this guy at the trade deadline for Â
A big part of last year's messes was the extreme lack of depth. The Knicks would have pockets of decent play, but they couldn't sustain.
And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.
Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.
Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.
Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?
iggy is the hard nose player every fan and teammate loves that will give you good minutes in spurts...
i dont think he is anything more than that..he will be a guy who can come in and give a spark when needed
I assume you have watched hours of film to come up with that career prediction.
I think the Knicks have had a GREAT off-season. They were never getting Max players in reality without making the roster more attractive. They’ve added a LOT of talent, on short contracts that can be used multiple ways in trades. These guys will help the team be better, maybe a LOT better, while also helping the 4 principle young guys (Mitch, Knox, RJ and Smith) learn their craft and grow. It’s all on the coaching staff now. The front office did their job. Now Fitz has to show he can coach. Looking at the East, no reason this can’t be a 6-8 seed. Some of these vets (like Randle) may be pet of the long term solution. They’ve done a good job of cleaning up a decade + of mess (similar to what DG has done). If the coaches can coach then the fall and winter should be more entertaining.
RE: Can't they flip this guy at the trade deadline for Â
I'm thinking (hoping) that's in part the plan...load up on some assets to be sold at auction for draft picks.
Otherwise, I can't see a real plan other than competing for the 8 seed. We've seen that movie before.
no you have seen it with old vets with no future...
Knicks could make the 7th or 8th seed with 19 and 20 year old players with some vets sprinkled in..
Yup true...we actually have some kids worth developing, no albatross contracts blowing up the future cap, and all our draft picks plus extras from the Porz trade. Just being a cranky Knicks fan on a Friday morning
This is not < 2010. They're not all PFs, they're all BIGs. There is 96 minutes a night to allocate among the 5 guys. Randle will get 30 of that. Gibson might get 10. There's 56 left and that isn't factoring the idea that Morris will get minutes at the 3 also. With Morris, your adding toughness, shooting and a trade asset.
I like this signing a lot. The knicks have been soft for a while now Â
All they guys they brought in are trade-able assets. I know it seems like a lot of 4's but we had Luke Kornet and Lance Thomas playing minutes at 4 last year. Portis and Gibson are basically backup 5s. And Morris can also play SF. I wouldn't worry about minutes because a) competition is good and b) I'm pretty sure one or more of these guys will get traded to a contender at the deadline.
Perry added a lot of experience and toughness. Just playing against these guys in practice will be good for the young guys.
also, there's nothing wrong with competing for the 8 seed. Â
of KD going down the same sackless route as LeBron (plus I didn't even want him once he got injured), I'd say the Knicks have had an overall positive offseason.
RE: I like this signing a lot. The knicks have been soft for a while now Â
All they guys they brought in are trade-able assets. I know it seems like a lot of 4's but we had Luke Kornet and Lance Thomas playing minutes at 4 last year. Portis and Gibson are basically backup 5s. And Morris can also play SF. I wouldn't worry about minutes because a) competition is good and b) I'm pretty sure one or more of these guys will get traded to a contender at the deadline.
Perry added a lot of experience and toughness. Just playing against these guys in practice will be good for the young guys.
rj/ trier/ellington/dot
knox/morris/bullock/iggy
randle/portis
robinson/gibson
Bigs are all interchangeable and can play together..
I could see some small ball with randle at 5 and morris at the 4 with knox at the 3...
And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.
Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.
Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.
Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?
And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.
Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.
Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.
Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?
iggy is the hard nose player every fan and teammate loves that will give you good minutes in spurts...
i dont think he is anything more than that..he will be a guy who can come in and give a spark when needed
This is a really good signing. The knicks have added a ton of talent. Now will Fitz make a rotation and stick with it to allow these guys to get some rhythm together. Or will we be playing 14 guys a night and play 65 starting lineups. I think Knox can still earn the start at the 3, but Morris will play.
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The Oklahoma City Thunder have agreed to trade Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets for Chris Paul, first-round picks in 2024 and 2026, pick swaps in 2021 and 2025, league sources tell ESPN.
I doubt it - Westbrook's contract is a ticking timebomb. Miami was interested but there were some who were speculating they were going to ask OKC to kick in picks to take Westbrook's $200m off their hands.
Agree, still on the hook for Paul for three more years at a crippling salary. He’s declining fast. If they want to get rid of Paul, they’re going attach some of the assists they acquired .
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson
That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. I’m excited to see what happens.
buford probably leaks info to woj so hr has to spin it that way
Westchester?
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson
That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. I’m excited to see what happens.
Same here...
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson
That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. I’m excited to see what happens.
I can't see Knox on the bench after starting all last year.
I think Morris, Knox and Randle is the starting front court.
rj/ trier/ellington/dot
knox/morris/bullock/iggy
randle/portis
robinson/gibson
Bigs are all interchangeable and can play together..
I could see some small ball with randle at 5 and morris at the 4 with knox at the 3...
This seems to undervalue Bullock, Ignas, Ellington, Dotson, and Frank imo. For example, I personally would not be willing to say Trier is better than Dotson, let alone placing Trier 2 rungs higher than Dotson on a depth chart. It might work out this way, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the exact opposite of this line-up happened considering how similar I view all of the players on this team.
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RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson
That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. I’m excited to see what happens.
I can't see Knox on the bench after starting all last year.
I think Morris, Knox and Randle is the starting front court.
No Robinson?
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Smith
RJ
Morris
Randle
Robinson
That is a very decent and very intriguing lineup. I’m excited to see what happens.
I can't see Knox on the bench after starting all last year.
I think Morris, Knox and Randle is the starting front court.
No Robinson?
Robinson has had a foul issue and hasn't been able to stay on the floor. He will definitely be a rotation player with the current bigs.
There are no superstars on this team but there is depth, with relatively young vets who have proven NBA production mixed with first and second year players who have shown some potential. There is size. There are question marks, sure (depth at C, 3-point shooting and true PG play), but it's up to Fiz to minimize the weak spots and have the team play to its strengths.
I think it's going to be a fun year.
There are no superstars on this team but there is depth, with relatively young vets who have proven NBA production mixed with first and second year players who have shown some potential. There is size. There are question marks, sure (depth at C, 3-point shooting and true PG play), but it's up to Fiz to minimize the weak spots and have the team play to its strengths.
I think it's going to be a fun year.
If Fiz doesn’t work out, Hire the Texas Tech coach. He made it to the finals with little talent and had his team playing outstanding defense
haha - is it clear Lance is actually gone? Don't see a spot for him with all the forwards being signed, but as others have pointed out, even after a nuclear blast there would be two survivors, cockroaches and Lance being on the Knicks.
Portis and Morris are redundant, although MM is clearly better. Portis also doesn't seem like a guy who will be cool with languishing on the bench.
Plus hopefully we are moving some of the vets a couple months into the season.
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A big part of last year's messes was the extreme lack of depth. The Knicks would have pockets of decent play, but they couldn't sustain.
And with all of these young kids, they could be better at the end of the year than at the beginning, just as other teams are wearing down.
Btw, I still think Knox is going to be a top-end player, with time. He is still so young, and his 3-point and driving games are really coming around.
Smith says that he has been working, hard, on his shooting, changing his stroke completely. And Trier could be a lot better with experience. This team lacks stars, but is full, top to bottom. Perhaps that leads to some trades later on.
Open question: how good can Brazdeikis be? I know this is ridiculously optimistic, but could he be a Kevin Love type?
iggy is the hard nose player every fan and teammate loves that will give you good minutes in spurts...
i dont think he is anything more than that..he will be a guy who can come in and give a spark when needed
I assume you have watched hours of film to come up with that career prediction.
sorry just my opinion..
I'm thinking (hoping) that's in part the plan...load up on some assets to be sold at auction for draft picks.
Otherwise, I can't see a real plan other than competing for the 8 seed. We've seen that movie before.
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draft choices?
I'm thinking (hoping) that's in part the plan...load up on some assets to be sold at auction for draft picks.
Otherwise, I can't see a real plan other than competing for the 8 seed. We've seen that movie before.
no you have seen it with old vets with no future...
Knicks could make the 7th or 8th seed with 19 and 20 year old players with some vets sprinkled in..
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draft choices?
I'm thinking (hoping) that's in part the plan...load up on some assets to be sold at auction for draft picks.
Otherwise, I can't see a real plan other than competing for the 8 seed. We've seen that movie before.
no you have seen it with old vets with no future...
Knicks could make the 7th or 8th seed with 19 and 20 year old players with some vets sprinkled in..
Yup true...we actually have some kids worth developing, no albatross contracts blowing up the future cap, and all our draft picks plus extras from the Porz trade. Just being a cranky Knicks fan on a Friday morning
This is not < 2010. They're not all PFs, they're all BIGs. There is 96 minutes a night to allocate among the 5 guys. Randle will get 30 of that. Gibson might get 10. There's 56 left and that isn't factoring the idea that Morris will get minutes at the 3 also. With Morris, your adding toughness, shooting and a trade asset.
All they guys they brought in are trade-able assets. I know it seems like a lot of 4's but we had Luke Kornet and Lance Thomas playing minutes at 4 last year. Portis and Gibson are basically backup 5s. And Morris can also play SF. I wouldn't worry about minutes because a) competition is good and b) I'm pretty sure one or more of these guys will get traded to a contender at the deadline.
Perry added a lot of experience and toughness. Just playing against these guys in practice will be good for the young guys.
All they guys they brought in are trade-able assets. I know it seems like a lot of 4's but we had Luke Kornet and Lance Thomas playing minutes at 4 last year. Portis and Gibson are basically backup 5s. And Morris can also play SF. I wouldn't worry about minutes because a) competition is good and b) I'm pretty sure one or more of these guys will get traded to a contender at the deadline.
Perry added a lot of experience and toughness. Just playing against these guys in practice will be good for the young guys.
Well said, you're right on the $.
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only if he agrees to it. In the NBA, players on one-year deals have no-trade clauses.
The guy is just a fucking trainwreck.