Multiple posters earlier said this is now a 500 team.
I couldn't stand the guy but I'm not sure RJ is better than Hardaway NEXT year. NBA rookies are typically a net negative.
All fair points and the team is definitely improved. But this was a 17 win team. I don't see any scenario they come close to 41 wins and are probably in the 25-30 win area. I just don't view any of their signings on having that big of an impact on winning.
Multiple posters earlier said this is now a 500 team.
I couldn't stand the guy but I'm not sure RJ is better than Hardaway NEXT year. NBA rookies are typically a net negative.
All fair points and the team is definitely improved. But this was a 17 win team. I don't see any scenario they come close to 41 wins and are probably in the 25-30 win area. I just don't view any of their signings on having that big of an impact on winning.
i see 35 wins and if the young guys take a bigger leap they can sneak into playoffs..
wins this Knicks team is capable of. Yeah they won 17 games last year, but it is basically a completely different team. The only rotation players returning from last year are Robinson, Knox, Trier, and Smith Jr (who only played a small number of games).
Everyone else that figures to be in the rotation is new to the team. We probably have 3 new starters in Randle, Morris, and Barrett. You could make the case going in that those will probably be the 3 best players on the team. On top of that, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton will probably get significant minutes. This team will be much better.
Baring on this year. There was no system at either end of the court, no defined roles and oh yeah the players sucked. Even with all that, there were countless games where they had the lead early in the 4rh and ended up losing. Some veteran leadership and they would have won probably 10 more games. This year, they have a legitimate roster, with vets who can play, young guys who will grow and defined roles and a way to play at both ends. This roster, in the east could push for a playoff spot.
Anyone who watched all of the games last year knows the team was in full tank mode and actually switched up lineups at the end of some games to TRY to lose games. In reality, I think the start number is more like 22 wins. When you consider that 35 wins seems much more attainable. 35 wins is what I think the number will end up being. The talent level is significantly improved and some of the younger players will make jumps.
I do believe the Knicks will have a better team this year, just not with that line-up. The whole point of the vet players imo is to intersperse them with the young players in order to up the level of play.
Just looking at those match-ups I would think THjr would abuse RJ after seeing RJ's defense against summer league guys. Eventually I would bet on RJ being better, but not at this moment. I think Kanter would cause a ton of problems on the glass. I could see Frank's defense and Knox's offense being a wash along with Burke and Smith's offense also cancelling each other out. Randle seems better than Vonleh but if Randle's D is as bad as advertised Vonleh could get his. My point is that I personally don't see a clear cut advantage either way.
I think if, say, Dotson and Morris were in this year's line-up, to add a couple of players who have showed two way ability in the past, it would make the advantages of this year's team more clear. Of course this is just my opinion. As for the wins for this team, I think there is a huge range. I wouldn't be surprised if they were horrible and still a laughing stock or middling and make the playoffs. I am, however, curious to see what happens and hoping for the best.
Portis and morris are not better than vonleh?
randle is not better than kanter?
rj is not better than hardaway?
come on you are not being fair..
which is a better starting lineup..
burke, hardaway, frank, vonleh, kanter or
smith, barrett, knox, randle, robinson..
Multiple posters earlier said this is now a 500 team.
I couldn't stand the guy but I'm not sure RJ is better than Hardaway NEXT year. NBA rookies are typically a net negative.
All fair points and the team is definitely improved. But this was a 17 win team. I don't see any scenario they come close to 41 wins and are probably in the 25-30 win area. I just don't view any of their signings on having that big of an impact on winning.
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but knox has not shown improvement?
Portis and morris are not better than vonleh?
randle is not better than kanter?
rj is not better than hardaway?
come on you are not being fair..
which is a better starting lineup..
burke, hardaway, frank, vonleh, kanter or
smith, barrett, knox, randle, robinson..
Multiple posters earlier said this is now a 500 team.
I couldn't stand the guy but I'm not sure RJ is better than Hardaway NEXT year. NBA rookies are typically a net negative.
All fair points and the team is definitely improved. But this was a 17 win team. I don't see any scenario they come close to 41 wins and are probably in the 25-30 win area. I just don't view any of their signings on having that big of an impact on winning.
i see 35 wins and if the young guys take a bigger leap they can sneak into playoffs..
I think thisnbn yesr with the vets they added everyone will have a role and it will be more defined
Lol this is true and it isn’t that close.
Everyone else that figures to be in the rotation is new to the team. We probably have 3 new starters in Randle, Morris, and Barrett. You could make the case going in that those will probably be the 3 best players on the team. On top of that, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton will probably get significant minutes. This team will be much better.
Portis and morris are not better than vonleh?
randle is not better than kanter?
rj is not better than hardaway?
come on you are not being fair..
which is a better starting lineup..
burke, hardaway, frank, vonleh, kanter or
smith, barrett, knox, randle, robinson..
I do believe the Knicks will have a better team this year, just not with that line-up. The whole point of the vet players imo is to intersperse them with the young players in order to up the level of play.
Just looking at those match-ups I would think THjr would abuse RJ after seeing RJ's defense against summer league guys. Eventually I would bet on RJ being better, but not at this moment. I think Kanter would cause a ton of problems on the glass. I could see Frank's defense and Knox's offense being a wash along with Burke and Smith's offense also cancelling each other out. Randle seems better than Vonleh but if Randle's D is as bad as advertised Vonleh could get his. My point is that I personally don't see a clear cut advantage either way.
I think if, say, Dotson and Morris were in this year's line-up, to add a couple of players who have showed two way ability in the past, it would make the advantages of this year's team more clear. Of course this is just my opinion. As for the wins for this team, I think there is a huge range. I wouldn't be surprised if they were horrible and still a laughing stock or middling and make the playoffs. I am, however, curious to see what happens and hoping for the best.