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NFL proposes 18-game regular season. 16 max per player

Metnut : 7/12/2019 1:50 pm
This would be a clusterfuck of the first order IMO.


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expand rosters and add a bye week?  
Torrag : 7/12/2019 5:53 pm : link
Some of you fellas aren't getting it. That idea is worse in owners eyes. They get paid by the number of games broadcast, not the number of 'weeks' they play. So expanding rosters and adding a bye week actually costs them more by keeping the number of 'billable' games constant but adds more mouths to feed by increasing the player pool.

They'll have no interest in that formula. This entire scheme is about increasing the gross revenue substantially. That means 18 games per team. Whether we as fans get a watered down product with backups playing in place of stars means nothing to these fucks.
This aint happening  
uther99 : 7/12/2019 6:36 pm : link
it will eventually go to 18 games with the players getting a bigger percentage of the take
RE: also forces teams to carry 3 QBs  
mrvax : 7/12/2019 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14497507 giants#1 said:
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since you'll need a backup for your backup (err, 2 game starter) which can't be your franchise QB...


Oh, these idiots could come up with an injured player clause where you may play the guy who sat case of injury. This is stupid on so many levels. Goes a long way in disproving forward evolution in humans.
RE: This is the most cockeyed idiotic proposal ever heard of in the NFL  
mrvax : 7/12/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14497647 Torrag said:
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If they want the 18 game season cut two of the pre season games and be done with it. The quality of football we watch the first month is already complete shit so what's another two weeks of garbage football in the scheme of things. Give the players a few more percentage points of gross revenue in the next CBA and everyone is happy.


In order to pull that off successfully, the players must be made to practice A LOT MORE to actually be ready to play opening day.
'to actually be ready to play opening day...  
Torrag : 7/12/2019 7:16 pm : link
They aren't ready to play Week 1 as it is. We wait until about week 4 for the quality of play to approach the professional level we were used to before this watered down CBA.

Neither the owners or players care if the product is garbage for the first four weeks so why will they care if it's shite for 6 weeks now? Answer: they won't. No matter what the finalized CBA extension or renegotiation looks like you can bet it won't increase practice time in any significant way.
This i strictly a negotiating tactic right?  
TJ : 7/12/2019 7:59 pm : link
The collective bargaining agreement runs out at the end of next season. This ridiculous idea being made public just means negotiations have begun.
RE: This i strictly a negotiating tactic right?  
Mad Mike : 7/12/2019 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14497802 TJ said:
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The collective bargaining agreement runs out at the end of next season. This ridiculous idea being made public just means negotiations have begun.

Yes. The seriousness of responses in this thread is pretty amusing.
Iíd like to see 1 game added thatís a rivalry game  
Rover : 7/12/2019 9:32 pm : link
Like in college football.
Rotates venues.

Giants-Jets
Iggles-Stillers
Ravens-Skins
Bills-Seahawks
Browns-Lions
Colts-Bears
Vikings-Chiefs
Panthers-Bengals
Jags-Falcons
Bucs-Dolphins
Saints-Titans
Texans-Cowboys
Raiders-Niners
Chargers-Rams
Broncos-Cardinals
Pats-Packers

Good idea?
You might want to gather some data about those rivalries,  
Mad Mike : 7/12/2019 9:41 pm : link
because for most of them, approximately 0% of fans on either side care about your proposed matchup.
The owners couldn't care less...  
bw in dc : 7/12/2019 10:14 pm : link
about safety. The are driven - and I get it - by bigger margins.

Fortunately for them, the players union is one of the dumbest unions in sports, if not the world. And the owners dominate them at the bargaining table. It's embarrassing.

If I'm the players, I counter with a 14 game schedule and guaranteed contracts. Because the economics of the NFL system are absolutely insane and grossly one-sided.

It's time to right the horrific, incompetent groundwork started by that dunce Gene Upshaw.
RE: You might want to gather some data about those rivalries,  
Rover : 7/12/2019 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14497885 Mad Mike said:
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because for most of them, approximately 0% of fans on either side care about your proposed matchup.

90% are real rivalries
Some of them are weird and miss the team's actual rivalries.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/12/2019 11:22 pm : link
Colts/Bears? Since when are the Colts and Bears rivals? It's always been Bears/Packers.

The Raiders have a historic rivalry with the Chiefs.

Jags/Falcons? The Saints and Falcons are rivals.
They are flat out saying  
Jolly Blue Giant : 7/12/2019 11:28 pm : link
ďWe donít care about the quality of the game, we just want more money.Ē
RE: RE: You might want to gather some data about those rivalries,  
Mad Mike : 7/13/2019 12:08 am : link
In comment 14497902 Rover said:
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90% are real rivalries

C'mon man. Saying it doesn't make it so. I realize you have weird takes on rivalries, what with the Rangers and Penguins, but really, some of this is pretty simple.
RE: expand rosters and add a bye week?  
JohnF : 7/13/2019 12:40 am : link
In comment 14497730 Torrag said:
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Some of you fellas aren't getting it. That idea is worse in owners eyes. They get paid by the number of games broadcast, not the number of 'weeks' they play. So expanding rosters and adding a bye week actually costs them more by keeping the number of 'billable' games constant but adds more mouths to feed by increasing the player pool.

They'll have no interest in that formula. This entire scheme is about increasing the gross revenue substantially. That means 18 games per team. Whether we as fans get a watered down product with backups playing in place of stars means nothing to these fucks.


18 weeks/16 games works for the owners/networks as well. The Networks still have more than enough games to broadcast each week, and the owners still get more money for the extra two weeks from the Networks. The Networks just won't have as many local games broadcast, but they will likely get more attractive national matchups to compensate.

The owners MAKE more money with 18 weeks/16 games, since they don't have to expand the rosters, and don't have to make any concessions to the players for the same number of games. And how are you going to sell teams not being able to play the star players for two weeks, but still asking for more to broadcast?

For example, how are you going to sell broadcasting the Packers if Aaron Rodgers can't play because of the 16 game limit? How do you keep the games Aaron's out from becoming a joke if the opposing team is New England with Brady (who sat out his games against the Dolphins?).
When a qb gets hurt in a game  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/13/2019 1:00 am : link
where his left tackle is forced to sit out the blowback will be hysterical.

I doubt this goes through, the shortning if preeason seems more likely.

They're both terrible proposals.
Pretty crazy but the NFLPA would love this idea  
Ivan15 : 7/13/2019 7:10 am : link
Rosters will have to expand, probably by including the practice squad.
RE: Pretty crazy but the NFLPA would love this idea  
Giantology : 7/13/2019 7:35 am : link
In comment 14497942 Ivan15 said:
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Rosters will have to expand, probably by including the practice squad.


They donít seem to love it at all actually
The NFL owners are insane.  
FStubbs : 7/13/2019 7:56 am : link
Strangling the golden goose due to greed.

Also shows they care nothing about player safety. This proposal has so many problems it can't seriously be put into effect.

Here's my proposal:

2 preseason games. Increase roster size from 53 to 60. 16 regular season games over 18 weeks. No bye week before the Superbowl.
I don't like it  
Carson53 : 7/13/2019 9:00 am : link
it's just another dumbass proposal. keep it at 16 games.
You can't have a roster upheaval like that, well who should sit, who should play, just dumb!
The continuing descent of the NFL....  
Tark10 : 7/13/2019 9:43 am : link
The continuing destruction of the NFL never ceases to amaze me. I've watched the NFL for five decades and can't believe what greed and a jackass named Goodell has done to this sport. A saturation of exposure, too many commercials, too many games, London bullshit, the list goes on and on. Too much of anything devalues the product regardless of what it is. These owners and Goodell haven't realized this as yet. Maybe the owners know the end of the NFL as we know it is fast approaching and they want to milk it for all it's worth before it ends.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/13/2019 11:59 am : link
The Panthers and Bengals have a rivalry??

Somebody should probably let both teams know that - because I doubt any fans of either team give a shit about the other team.
'the owners still get more money for the extra weeks from the Network'  
Torrag : 7/13/2019 12:21 pm : link
This is 100% false. They get paid by the number of games Broadcast.
Just as teams hope their players make it through the offseason  
mfsd : 7/13/2019 12:30 pm : link
without doing anything really stupid off the field, we as fans are left hoping the owners and Goodell make it through the offseason without doing anything this stupid
My 2 cents  
River Mike : 7/13/2019 12:31 pm : link
Cut one pre-season game (I think you need at least 3 to evaluate players, flesh out schemes etc.). Add a bye week and expand the rosters
mfsd  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/13/2019 2:15 pm : link
Absolutely.
Leave the game alone .....  
short lease : 7/13/2019 3:21 pm : link

It is all about selling more tickets. Greedy billionaires their finest.

Take a bow owners.
RE: 'the owners still get more money for the extra weeks from the Network'  
Mad Mike : 7/13/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14498031 Torrag said:
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This is 100% false. They get paid by the number of games Broadcast.

What on earth are you talking about? The networks explicitly stated at the time that their new contracts with the league were going up, in part, because of an extra week of games. And beyond the actual evidence, what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Of course networks care about the number of broadcasts rather than just the number of games. A home market may have lower ratings for a out-of-town game during a bye week than for a regular game for their home team, but obviously those bye week games still draw plenty of viewers. It's nonsensical to think 17 weeks of ads is worth no more than 16 weeks.
Take the 31 owners  
mrvax : 7/13/2019 4:34 pm : link
and select the Packers primary or largest shareholder and have a game with those 32 clowns. Winning team gets to donate proceeds to a charity of their choice.
RE: LOL..  
steve in ky : 7/13/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14498029 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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The Panthers and Bengals have a rivalry??

Somebody should probably let both teams know that - because I doubt any fans of either team give a shit about the other team.


Missing the obvious. It's two large predatory cats, of course they're territorial, and hence the rivalry.
RE: Some of them are weird and miss the team's actual rivalries.  
Rover : 7/13/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14497906 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Colts/Bears? Since when are the Colts and Bears rivals? It's always been Bears/Packers.

The Raiders have a historic rivalry with the Chiefs.

Jags/Falcons? The Saints and Falcons are rivals.

Perhaps I mis worded it.
I meant natural geographic inter conference rivals.
Obviously none of these teams are really rivals since they only play 1 per 4 seasons.

I would like to see the NFL follow college where you have VA tech play UVA.

For most teams, there are very obvious great fits.
I had to do a little stretching for some:

Jags-Falcons...close drive, Georgia v FL
Titans-Saints...close drive, UT v LSU
Bengals-Panthers...little stretch...but both on the border of Appalachia, manageable drive
Chiefs-Vikings....not far
Colts-Bears....close drive
Pats-Packers...stretch...both historic and cold weather
Bills-Seahawks....battle of the North/Canada
Buffalo vs Seattle  
dep026 : 7/13/2019 5:15 pm : link
Is a rivalry???

Probably a good few thousand miles away from each other. No historic past. Sure, great idea cause they border Canada.

These are some of the worst examples of rivalries Iíve ever seen.
RE: Buffalo vs Seattle  
Rover : 7/13/2019 7:40 pm : link
In comment 14498179 dep026 said:
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Is a rivalry???

Probably a good few thousand miles away from each other. No historic past. Sure, great idea cause they border Canada.

These are some of the worst examples of rivalries Iíve ever seen.

Thereís like 4-5 that are a stretch, just like MLB, but otherwise theyíre great.
You got a better idea?  
Rover : 7/13/2019 7:41 pm : link
????
Better idea  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/13/2019 7:43 pm : link
Leave the current scheduling system alone
'Of course networks care about the number of broadcasts...'  
Torrag : 7/13/2019 9:05 pm : link
The revenue generated by pre game shows, exposure and other ancillaries is miniscule compared to the profits generated by game broadcasts. The league isn't going to upset the apple cart over hollow weeks that don't include the extra games. They want their 18 games played per team. They've been on this idea like a dog on a bone for a long time now. From their perspective that is the key component to the next CBA agreement.

Now we have to wait and see how the players respond with their demands to make that happen.
RE: You got a better idea?  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/14/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14498251 Rover said:
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????


Ummm. Yeah. Call actual rivalries, rivalries. Steelers-Ravens. Giants-Eagles.

You can't invent rivalries. Hell, the Giants and Bills are close geographically and even played against each other in a Super Bowl. No rivalry.

Carolina and the Bengals? Jacksonville is closer to Carolina than Cincy. So is DC. And still no rivalry....
Theyíre great  
dep026 : 7/14/2019 10:13 am : link
According to who????
Enough with the rivalry BS  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 7/14/2019 11:06 am : link
Any schedule formula for an 18 game season would likely involve adding 2 more rotating conference opponents and leaving the rest the same. It's not rocket science.
RE: RE: You got a better idea?  
Rover : 7/15/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14498379 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14498251 Rover said:


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????



Ummm. Yeah. Call actual rivalries, rivalries. Steelers-Ravens. Giants-Eagles.

You can't invent rivalries. Hell, the Giants and Bills are close geographically and even played against each other in a Super Bowl. No rivalry.

Carolina and the Bengals? Jacksonville is closer to Carolina than Cincy. So is DC. And still no rivalry....


For 24 of the 32 teams they are close geographic inter conference teams that would be great rivalry games, like in college football with VT-UVA, FSU-UF, UG-GT.
So I think that makes sense.
It really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/15/2019 10:27 am : link
doesn't make sense. Not sure why you are acting as if does.

Geographic rivalries mean a lot in college football because you generally have alumni nearby for both schools. Family traditions.

The NFL doesn't work that way. Each team has rivalries in division. Out of division games really don't mean a whole lot and you can't just manufacture interest. Carolina has a rivarly with NO because of their division. With Atlanta. Cincy isn't even the closest team to drive to for them.

It really doesn't work that way in any professional sport. Is the Yankees-Phillies a rivalry? Rangers-Sabres?

The great thing about the NFL is you don't have to fake rivalries.
RE: RE: Why don't they just add one or two more bye weeks per team?  
Ira : 7/15/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14497712 JohnF said:
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In comment 14497512 widmerseyebrow said:


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Stretch the schedule, get more weekends of football on TV, and give the players more rest.



This +1000!!

The owners can get more money by going to an 18 WEEK regular season schedule, but still going 16 GAMES per team. For a league that prattles about player safety, you would think that with more byes the players would get more recovery time, and you'd see better football.

Nah, can't let that happen, can we...


This is a good idea.
RE: It really..  
Rover : 7/15/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14498991 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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doesn't make sense. Not sure why you are acting as if does.

Geographic rivalries mean a lot in college football because you generally have alumni nearby for both schools. Family traditions.

The NFL doesn't work that way. Each team has rivalries in division. Out of division games really don't mean a whole lot and you can't just manufacture interest. Carolina has a rivarly with NO because of their division. With Atlanta. Cincy isn't even the closest team to drive to for them.

It really doesn't work that way in any professional sport. Is the Yankees-Phillies a rivalry? Rangers-Sabres?

The great thing about the NFL is you don't have to fake rivalries.


Iíd like to see Giants-Jets every year, and really Iggles-Stillerís and Skins-Ravens. It sucks they never play.
Sounds like something thought of after  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/15/2019 8:55 pm : link
the table's 5th Scotch.
Rover/Thomas/insert several handles here  
Giantology : 7/17/2019 8:58 am : link
One of the strangest posters I've seen on BBI, and still going strong. Kudos!
Rover..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/17/2019 9:00 am : link
wasn't Thomas.

Thomas was Greenpoint and area junc and I'm sure some others.

Rover was Trent - the guy who threatened Eric and his family years back. He might also have been hudson and Golden Tee.
RE: Rover..  
Giantology : 7/17/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14500461 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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wasn't Thomas.

Thomas was Greenpoint and area junc and I'm sure some others.

Rover was Trent - the guy who threatened Eric and his family years back. He might also have been hudson and Golden Tee.


Oh is that right? I'm mixing my dupes up, thank you.
It's the first offer on a Negotiation  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/17/2019 9:11 am : link
so of course its going to sound a tad out there.

Now its on the NFLPA to come back with a new offer if they will consider it.
RE: It's the first offer on a Negotiation  
rnargi : 7/17/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14500477 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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so of course its going to sound a tad out there.

Now its on the NFLPA to come back with a new offer if they will consider it.


A tad out there? It's seriously the singular most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
RE: RE: It's the first offer on a Negotiation  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/17/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14500508 rnargi said:
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In comment 14500477 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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so of course its going to sound a tad out there.

Now its on the NFLPA to come back with a new offer if they will consider it.



A tad out there? It's seriously the singular most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.


They new the NFLPA was probably not going to go for 18 game schedule, so they came to the table with this bullshit offer to see if the NFLPA would come back and say we will consider an 18 game schedule with these parameters.

It's smart, it's going to force the NFLPA to show if they are remotely interested in an 18 games schedule. More than likely they are going to just shut it down.

If they come back with a counter that means an 18 game schedule could be on the horizon.
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