NFT: 7/13 Knicks Chat: Old Knicks coming to the rescue

I came to the Knicks because of James Dolan. Because nobody else was going to give me a $100 million uninsurable contract with my bad knees

In comment 14498027 mfsd said:

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I came to the Knicks because of James Dolan. Because nobody else was going to give me a $100 million uninsurable contract with my bad knees

amare had other options, this notion he only came to the knicks because of the contract is slightly false..

along with melo could of signed as a free agent...

2 false comments people always seem to make

Top to bottom it has talented professionals and talented youth.

Frank being bumped down to #3 PG is a major improvement. Now they need to ship him out when the right opportunity presents itself.

In comment 14498030 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14498027 mfsd said: Quote: I came to the Knicks because of James Dolan. Because nobody else was going to give me a $100 million uninsurable contract with my bad knees amare had other options, this notion he only came to the knicks because of the contract is slightly false.. along with melo could of signed as a free agent... 2 false comments people always seem to make

Who else was going to offer Amare a full max? If wrong I stand corrected, I honestly don’t recall anyone willing to give him the deal the Knicks did.

Splitting hairs at this point, he was awesome with the Knicks before he got hurt and I don’t mean to dump on him. Curious to see how this comeback of his works out

he was ready to join bron and wade but they decided last minute they wanted bosh instead

Again to see Knicks Basketball. I know that ktnwill be tough to make the playoffs BUT I am excited to see the young kids grow. Give me hard nosed, gritty and tough basketball

In comment 14498045 nygiants16 said:

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he was ready to join bron and wade but they decided last minute they wanted bosh instead

Ah gotcha

if Smith is able to re-make his J, as he says he is doing. If he can, he becomes a clear favorite over Payton, and leads to a clear upgrade of the pg spot. If not, not.

Linked are the projected 2018 salaries. I am one of those guys who thinks the Knicks can get close to .500, but it is based on several assumption that need to be hit. These include:

1) Fizdale able to make sense of the extremely deep roster, with sensible rotations;
2) Smith actually having a much better J
3) Knox carrying a better game into the regular season. I think that the so-called experts are generally way wrong on this very you kid.
4) Barret having the game slow down for hi, a lot, so that his skills become way more apparent.
5) Robinson continuing to advance

Given all of that, I think we get near .500 based upon massively more depth, better shooting, better teamwork, better d, lack of the need to tank, and a whole bunch of veterans on one-and contracts with huge incentives to play their best. I think the one-and contracts were a great idea, creating incentives and leaving trade room and cap room for later.



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In comment 14498035 Torrag said:

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Top to bottom it has talented professionals and talented youth. Frank being bumped down to #3 PG is a major improvement. Now they need to ship him out when the right opportunity presents itself.

Or: He needs to raise his game. As you say, there's a lot of talented youth. Young guys sometimes need time and development. Maybe Frank will step it up.

he hasn’t been able to stay healthy long enough to have any chance to improve.

we will learn more about the Frenchman in early September.

I think this is where and when he is playing. The FIBA world cup in China, starting August 31.
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Is the key now, can he turn these players into a team, how long will it take? I would love to see the Knicks finish above the Nets, then we can all give Durant and Kyrie a big fuck you both.

Went to 6'7" or 6'8" last year and who knows this year so he's not exactly a point guard although he can probably guard a bigger one. There's a possibility he might be very valuable this year.

Glass half full.

Hopefully he stays healthy AND Fizdale gives him enough of a real chance to prove what kind of player his is one way or another.

kind of player his is = limited offensively.

Looks like it’s on NBA TV. Not sure who is playing.

In comment 14498185 bceagle05 said:

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Looks like it’s on NBA TV. Not sure who is playing.

everyone is

I thought they might let the bench guys showcase themselves for other teams.

In comment 14498185 bceagle05 said:

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Looks like it’s on NBA TV. Not sure who is playing.

thanks for the heads-up

three straight possessions:

turnover
blocked in the paint
hogs the ball and misses a wide open Iggy

"It was good Knox didn't take the shot from halfcourt...drove it in and got the foul"

Well, taking a shot from HC w/ 6 seconds left is idiotic, but yeah sure. Great play. Also the contact wasn't on a drive, but he was actually bailed out dribbling sideways towards the wing instead of to the rim w/ under 3s left

But all in all KK looked good. Iggy still balling, seems like he can get you production even in limited time. Also has been a better defender / more athletic than I expected per scouting reports

camera is talking while they give us the split on the main announcers watching the game saying nothing. Completely stupid. Even the split is mostly the "MGM SL" graphic and not the announcers...

Hope this doesn't happen during the season this much (tho they do it some there already)

In comment 14498208 Professor Falken said:

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three straight possessions: turnover blocked in the paint hogs the ball and misses a wide open Iggy

He’s leading the game in points rebounds and assists at the half what are you babbling about.

nice pass up high to Mitch while in the paint w/ 2 little guys on him...easy 2

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keith bogans is part of the knicks staff now, wonder if he will be new gleague coach

In comment 14498220 ChaChing said:

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nice pass up high to Mitch while in the paint w/ 2 little guys on him...easy 2

Another one...clever little bounce pass from Iggy to Mitch for the dunk

SOOO many of these guys have a dunk but go for some lame floater or unnecessary double clutch layup and miss or get blocked

Pisses me off, I mean, even aside from the better FG%, WTF wouldn't you dunk if you can? WTF is the point to being tall & playing ball

for easy buckets. Good to see.

as well as that TO

But just b4 was a sweet pass to Mitch for the oop. 7A already. There was at least 1-2 other games he probably should have had 3-4-5 more As but for fouls / misses

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wrong queue

In comment 14498219 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 14498208 Professor Falken said: Quote: three straight possessions: turnover blocked in the paint hogs the ball and misses a wide open Iggy He’s leading the game in points rebounds and assists at the half what are you babbling about.

I'm babbling about three straight awful possessions, thanks.

and the regular season was score. This year he's showing some passing and defense - I hope he takes it with him into the season.

In comment 14498253 bceagle05 said:

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and the regular season was score. This year he's showing some passing and defense - I hope he takes it with him into the season.

he definitely got stronger to

RJ got better every game

Knox to me is still wait and see, I feel like this was similar to last SL, but nice to see him start strong here

Iggy, man there's a ways to go, but he really seems to play the game right. Whatever his weaknesses, they didn't show too often in SL

Team might have had a better showing record-wise if Trier played more than 1 game

Robinson looked much the same. Not sure what to think but we'll see if he's matured come real games. Still a beast even so

Cavanaugh certainly will be on someone's G-league team, if not down the bench in the NBA for a bad team

He was much improved over the last 3 games where he averaged 20-9-6 and shot 43.2% from the floor, but only 31% from 3. Hopefully he continues to work on the shot over the rest of the summer and can at least be respectable from there this season. The defense will need to improve as well, but he shows effort and that's a good start.

Looking forward to the season and how he continues to develop.

In comment 14498255 ChaChing said:

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RJ got better every game Knox to me is still wait and see, I feel like this was similar to last SL, but nice to see him start strong here Iggy, man there's a ways to go, but he really seems to play the game right. Whatever his weaknesses, they didn't show too often in SL Team might have had a better showing record-wise if Trier played more than 1 game Robinson looked much the same. Not sure what to think but we'll see if he's matured come real games. Still a beast even so Cavanaugh certainly will be on someone's G-league team, if not down the bench in the NBA for a bad team

knox last summer league shot 30 percent, shot much better this year

than how he played in SL. He played much this way last year to my eye, then struggled during the season playing much less confident

Here he jumped right in to being aggressive, playing with some motor, and defending a bit. IMO that disappeared overall during the season save a few stretches. That's what I'm waiting to see

Had his 3rd double-double in a row, but this time it was points and assists, just 8 rebounds.

7-11, 3-5 & 8 boards. Some decent D & good motor in general

In comment 14498265 Phil in LA said:

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Had his 3rd double-double in a row, but this time it was points and assists, just 8 rebounds.

Just imagine if he fulfills Coach K's prediction, of being a pote triple double threat, later on down the road.

In comment 14498265 Phil in LA said:

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Had his 3rd double-double in a row, but this time it was points and assists, just 8 rebounds.

This is all I care about. RJ early on looks like someone who is going to fill up the box score every night. He plays D too.

Would love Iggy. Seems to be a perfect kid for the Knicks... despite Hon in NYC reservations haha.

In comment 14498294 dep026 said:

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Would love Iggy. Seems to be a perfect kid for the Knicks... despite Hon in NYC reservations haha.

He’s looked really good. Much better than anything I saw him do in college.

When he gets an open look I expect it to go in. Can’t say that about too many Knicks players in recent years. He has a high b-ball IQ as well - also not common among Knicks players.

In comment 14498288 Canton said:

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In comment 14498265 Phil in LA said: Quote: Had his 3rd double-double in a row, but this time it was points and assists, just 8 rebounds. Just imagine if he fulfills Coach K's prediction, of being a pote triple double threat, later on down the road.

I think in a year or two and with a system and decent players around him, RJ is going to have quite a few triple-doubles.

In comment 14498295 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 14498294 dep026 said: Quote: Would love Iggy. Seems to be a perfect kid for the Knicks... despite Hon in NYC reservations haha. He’s looked really good. Much better than anything I saw him do in college.

My lone beef with Beilen last year was he ran the offense through Simpson and Teske. When Poole and Iggy were by far their best offensive players. Poole actually despises Beilen and left because of Him.

He's 10 pounds of muscle stronger and still lifting for the rest of the summer. His 3 point shot didn't look close to this. His drives to the basket, using either hand this year, are stronger. His d is better. His rebounding is better. His vision is better.

Other than that, identical.

obviously scoring in SL 2018, while showing some versatility. Yeah maybe a few other things this time, he passed a little better? Was stronger? We can debate specifics and yet overall it was similar

He was also SL all 1st team last year. He won't be this time. So again I'm waiting for the season. I'm excited about Iggy & RJ, but same thing...we saw KK's first season, and regardless there's a lot of development to go for all of these guys

With Barrett, I think the closer comparison in play style is Wade.

Obviously wade was a special athlete, but his game and Barrett are similar. They're better attacking the basket and midrange and arent perimeter shooters. They're willing passers who can make players around them better.

RJ has a long way to go with efficiency and defense, but I see more wade than Harden.

If anyone is interested.

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