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According to this Giants in trade talks with Texans.....

Emlen'sGremlins : 7/13/2019 4:27 pm
....for Whitney Mercilus?
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I'll tell you this  
WeekendLife56 : 7/13/2019 4:37 pm : link
For those of us who click to BBI 1000 times a day. You just got out undivided attention. Lol
There was an article Dawg posted the other day from The Ringer...  
Klaatu : 7/13/2019 4:39 pm : link
That was just speculation about possible trades. Who might be available, who might be interested. Nothing about any two teams actually talking, but that was a couple of days ago.


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With Whitney Mercilus  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 4:41 pm : link
This defense might actually start looking dangerous..
He is alright  
TommyWiseau : 7/13/2019 4:43 pm : link
Will be 29 in a few days and is due to make 5.8 million this season (UFA after this upcoming season). I would not give up more then a late rounder for him
RE: With Whitney Mercilus  
TommyWiseau : 7/13/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14498143 ZGiants98 said:
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This defense might actually start looking dangerous..


Yeah his 5 sacks over the last two years will catapult us to a good defense. Yes I know he had a bunch if QB pressure but he has not been able to get to the QB the last few yeara. Sounds like Olivier Vernon to me
RE: There was an article Dawg posted the other day from The Ringer...  
Diver_Down : 7/13/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14498142 Klaatu said:
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That was just speculation about possible trades. Who might be available, who might be interested. Nothing about any two teams actually talking, but that was a couple of days ago.
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Looks like Emlen's link is a word for word plagiarize of The Ringer's speculation. The NFL Chatter site looks to have embellished The Ringer's speculation with the insinuation that the Giants have called/Texans are listening. Not really concrete and no way to prove so they can embellish as much as they would like without having to prove the assertion.
RE: RE: With Whitney Mercilus  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14498151 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 14498143 ZGiants98 said:


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This defense might actually start looking dangerous..



Yeah his 5 sacks over the last two years will catapult us to a good defense. Yes I know he had a bunch if QB pressure but he has not been able to get to the QB the last few yeara. Sounds like Olivier Vernon to me


The defense already looks good without him.
Diver, agreed  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/13/2019 4:56 pm : link
The article doesn't so much as hint at a source. I smell BS.
I mean the nfl chatter article  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/13/2019 4:57 pm : link
Whoever they are.
No thanks  
XBRONX : 7/13/2019 4:58 pm : link
He has been injured. Last good season was 2016.
You wouldn't take an Olivier Vernon  
slickwilly : 7/13/2019 4:58 pm : link
type at $5.8 instead of $17+? Especially with what the Giants currently have at the position. That sounds like pretty good value to me if they can get him for like a 5th.
You wouldn't take an Olivier Vernon  
slickwilly : 7/13/2019 4:59 pm : link
type at $5.8 instead of $17+? Especially with what the Giants currently have at the position. That sounds like pretty good value to me if they can get him for like a 5th.
If you read about what happened last year  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 5:03 pm : link
With so many pass rushers already on the team, Whitney was asked to stay in coverage more often than not. This is directly from the coaches mouths.

Also he missed almost all of 2017 to injury so drawing from his 2017 stats is ridiculous.
Anyone  
mittenedman : 7/13/2019 5:14 pm : link
who doesn't think he'd be a huge improvement to the pass rush is kidding themselves.

The Giants wanted Chubb last year and Allen this year. You know they are looking for a pass rusher. If he's really available in trade, I could definitely see this happening.
This could be a salary dump if true to help sign Clowney  
robbieballs2003 : 7/13/2019 5:16 pm : link
so if we don't have to give up much it gives us depth at a position that is considered thin to most on here.
RE: Anyone  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 7/13/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14498178 mittenedman said:
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who doesn't think he'd be a huge improvement to the pass rush is kidding themselves.

The Giants wanted Chubb last year and Allen this year. You know they are looking for a pass rusher. If he's really available in trade, I could definitely see this happening.


Hmmmmm we wanted Allen? News to me.
Houston has  
XBRONX : 7/13/2019 5:21 pm : link
so many pass rushers? Watt,Clowney and ?
RE: RE: Anyone  
robbieballs2003 : 7/13/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14498181 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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who doesn't think he'd be a huge improvement to the pass rush is kidding themselves.

The Giants wanted Chubb last year and Allen this year. You know they are looking for a pass rusher. If he's really available in trade, I could definitely see this happening.



Hmmmmm we wanted Allen? News to me.


It is? Gettleman said they really liked him and there were reports that we tried to trade back up to get him.
this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/13/2019 5:29 pm : link
is most likely based off of that speculative tweet. There is more and more of this BS out there now.
Do not believe  
brian : 7/13/2019 6:22 pm : link
The rumors that I have been traded to a Washinton Redskins website.
Don't we still need a RT ?  
short lease : 7/14/2019 1:12 am : link

La’el Collins, RT, Cowboys?

To expensive?
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Do it!  
KWALL2 : 7/14/2019 4:01 am : link
He's an excellent player and exactly what we need right now. It would change the look of the D. Please make it happen.
RE: Don't we still need a RT ?  
Diver_Down : 7/14/2019 6:01 am : link
In comment 14498323 short lease said:
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La’el Collins, RT, Cowboys?

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Jerry isn't going to trade Collins to the Giants. For that matter, I wouldn't want him in FA. We saw Pugh mail it in against the Eagles every year. We don't need to see Collins mail it in against the Cowboys.
...  
christian : 7/14/2019 6:54 am : link
The Giants need to replace the pressure Vernon provided.

I know it's not exciting to reference pressure as a stat for many, but remember that being under pressure drops the average QB's passer rating by something like 15 points.

What the Giants don't need is a pass rusher who's hell bent on sacking the quarterback, loses contain a lot, and misses assignments. Add in the increased risk of penalty now with how you even tackle or brush the QB, and it's just less valuable than many think.

If the sack is there it's a great thing. But the obsession with raking up sacks is silly. Five sacks net around 30 yards and less than one turnover.

Over pursuing a QB and giving up one big pass play easily can negate that.
For that salary  
XBRONX : 7/14/2019 7:29 am : link
he has to start. Who is he replacing?
HOU really likes Mercilus  
Sy'56 : 7/14/2019 8:04 am : link
They had to use him differently last year based on injuries and scheme. They are excited to get him back in to his pure edge role, a position that he graded out well in the second half last year. I would be very surprised if they traded him
I thought  
English Alaister : 7/14/2019 8:20 am : link
He was their best player when Watt was out. He's not getting any younger but when he can bring it he really does.
If the trade falls through  
Gman11 : 7/14/2019 8:25 am : link
maybe they can get Ming the Mercilus.
What injuries  
XBRONX : 7/14/2019 8:26 am : link
last year? Watt played all 16 games and Clowney missed one game.
RE: RE: With Whitney Mercilus  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 7/14/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14498151 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 14498143 ZGiants98 said:


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This defense might actually start looking dangerous..



Yeah his 5 sacks over the last two years will catapult us to a good defense. Yes I know he had a bunch if QB pressure but he has not been able to get to the QB the last few yeara. Sounds like Olivier Vernon to me


Sounds like a lot less expensive than Vernon.

Might be a good stop gap to help a team in need of pass rush.
I'd be more inclined to believe this if it cited any reputable source.  
Klaatu : 7/14/2019 8:39 am : link
One of our own beat writers, or, say, John McClain in Houston. Instead it cites "reports." Whose reports? It doesn't say.

Frankly, with the Giants already gambling on one veteran OLB returning to the level of play he was at before he got hurt, I don't see them gambling on another one. Add to that the investments they've made in Carter and Ximines, and I don't see them bringing in someone who'd hinder their development by taking playing time away from them. It's not like the Giants are one pass-rusher away from Super Bowl contention. It seems to me they're building long-term. I'd rather they stayed that course.
When you are the #3 or 4 pass rusher with Clooney and Watt ahead  
Ivan15 : 7/14/2019 9:24 am : link
of you, it is easy to bring pressure as the others get all the attention.
RE: RE: Don't we still need a RT ?  
djm : 7/14/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14498339 Diver_Down said:
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La’el Collins, RT, Cowboys?

To expensive? Link - ( New Window )



Jerry isn't going to trade Collins to the Giants. For that matter, I wouldn't want him in FA. We saw Pugh mail it in against the Eagles every year. We don't need to see Collins mail it in against the Cowboys.


Huh?
RE: RE: RE: Don't we still need a RT ?  
Diver_Down : 7/14/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14498396 djm said:
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In comment 14498323 short lease said:


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La’el Collins, RT, Cowboys?

To expensive? Link - ( New Window )



Jerry isn't going to trade Collins to the Giants. For that matter, I wouldn't want him in FA. We saw Pugh mail it in against the Eagles every year. We don't need to see Collins mail it in against the Cowboys.



Huh?


What is so confusing? Pugh managed his yearly injury to coincide with an Eagles game and on the occasion that he suited up for the matchup, he flat out sucked. Only on BBI was Pugh considered to play at or near a pro-bowl level. Yet every year he wasn't considered as an back-up selection to a an alternate of a an actual pro-bowl nominated player.

While Collins likely loves money more than the Cowboys, he has professed his interest in being a Cowboy for life. I wouldn't want him in FA just on the chance that he develops an injury every season when the Giants play the Cowboys.
Doesn't seem like he fits here  
NephilimGiants : 7/14/2019 1:43 pm : link
He will be 5th behind Kareem Martin who has more experience under Betchers defense
RE: RE: RE: RE: Don't we still need a RT ?  
bLiTz 2k : 7/14/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14498445 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14498339 Diver_Down said:


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La’el Collins, RT, Cowboys?

To expensive? Link - ( New Window )



Jerry isn't going to trade Collins to the Giants. For that matter, I wouldn't want him in FA. We saw Pugh mail it in against the Eagles every year. We don't need to see Collins mail it in against the Cowboys.



Huh?



What is so confusing? Pugh managed his yearly injury to coincide with an Eagles game and on the occasion that he suited up for the matchup, he flat out sucked. Only on BBI was Pugh considered to play at or near a pro-bowl level. Yet every year he wasn't considered as an back-up selection to a an alternate of a an actual pro-bowl nominated player.

While Collins likely loves money more than the Cowboys, he has professed his interest in being a Cowboy for life. I wouldn't want him in FA just on the chance that he develops an injury every season when the Giants play the Cowboys.


Sorry but this has to be one of the funniest conspiracy theories i’ve read in forever.
Giants' potential interest in Mercilus only makes sense if  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/14/2019 3:10 pm : link
backstage somewhere they have serious doubts about Markus Golden playing anywhere near his 2016 form.

And then everything they have said about Golden is lip service.
Mercilus  
ChicagoMarty : 7/14/2019 3:40 pm : link
would have to replace Kareem Martin who makes about a million less

That could be an improvement.

Martin was a disappointment.

Mercilus is a good player.

I'd be for it.
What would you be willing  
Gregorio : 7/14/2019 5:07 pm : link
to give up?

-Paul Perkins and a 4th?
-Janoris Jenkins?

I wouldn’t want to part with a 3rd or lower. I’d be willing to deal Perkins.
They don't need much  
ChicagoMarty : 7/14/2019 6:20 pm : link
Not sure who they would want on our roster.

I think they are looking for cap relief more than anything if this report is true and that is a big IF.

I would be open to a third-rounder.

Open by offering a fourth - let them counter with a second and then settle on a third
RE: RE: Don't we still need a RT ?  
short lease : 7/15/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14498339 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14498323 short lease said:


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La’el Collins, RT, Cowboys?

To expensive? Link - ( New Window )



Jerry isn't going to trade Collins to the Giants. For that matter, I wouldn't want him in FA. We saw Pugh mail it in against the Eagles every year. We don't need to see Collins mail it in against the Cowboys.


Diver - I am not sure I understand this. Was Pugh afraid f a particular Eagle's defensive lineman that lined up across from him? That is a serious question .... why the Eagles? Why not other teams?

Also Pugh was drafted by the Giants - what alliance did he have to the Eagles ... to "mail it in"? Not sure about your analogy ....

The only thing I agree with is the trade probably won't happen but, if Collins is a FA - Jerry won't have a choice.
Shorty -  
Diver_Down : 7/15/2019 6:10 am : link
I didn't mean to imply he was a coward against the Eagles. But Pugh had gone on the record that he was an Eagles fan growing up along with his fans. My implication is that he didn't give 100% effort on the few occasions that he suited up against the Eagles. On those occasions where he was hurt and that the Eagles were on the upcoming schedule, Pugh would be able to nurse his injuries so he didn't have to come back.

Case in point the one year Pugh had an MCL sprain. It coincidentally happened at the same time Big Ben had an MCL sprain. The unique timing provided a gauge of how much time a player would miss. Big Ben one of the biggest drama queens in the league was able to return to the lineup 2 games before Pugh. Pugh missed an Eagles game during that time.

Now, perhaps that is a lot of tinfoil to wrap around and bake up such a conspiracy theory. Perhaps, applying Occam's Razor, one can conclude that Pugh wasn't harboring some childhood allegiance but rather he was just a soft, shitty player.
RE: Shorty -  
Diver_Down : 7/15/2019 6:12 am : link
In comment 14498874 Diver_Down said:
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I didn't mean to imply he was a coward against the Eagles. But Pugh had gone on the record that he was an Eagles fan growing up along with his friends. My implication is that he didn't give 100% effort on the few occasions that he suited up against the Eagles. On those occasions where he was hurt and that the Eagles were on the upcoming schedule, Pugh would be able to nurse his injuries so he didn't have to come back.

Case in point the one year Pugh had an MCL sprain. It coincidentally happened at the same time Big Ben had an MCL sprain. The unique timing provided a gauge of how much time a player would miss. Big Ben one of the biggest drama queens in the league was able to return to the lineup 2 games before Pugh. Pugh missed an Eagles game during that time.

Now, perhaps that is a lot of tinfoil to wrap around and bake up such a conspiracy theory. Perhaps, applying Occam's Razor, one can conclude that Pugh wasn't harboring some childhood allegiance but rather he was just a soft, shitty player.


Corrected. Fans = Friends
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