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NFT: Mets and Marlins. Syndergaard

ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 4:36 pm
Mets Lineup

Jeff McNeil RF
Michael Conforto CF
Pete Alonso 1B
Dominic Smith LF
Robinson Cano 2B
Todd Frazier 3B
Amed Rosario SS
Tomas Nido C
Noah Syndergaard P

Marlins Lineup

Miguel Rojas SS
Garrett Cooper 1B
Brian Anderson RF
Neil Walker 3B
Starlin Castro 2B
Harold Ramirez LF
Jorge Alfaro C
JT Riddle CF
Zac Gallen P

Im very curious to see how this team plays over the second half. Obviously, pen did us in.. Didn't help being without Nimmo, Lowrie, and even a second half Cespedes all year. Players have underperformed as well. But I dont see it continuing all season. Players generally even out and there is talent on this team. Will be curious to see who we sell off over the next week or two. Frazier and Wheeler seem likely. Is Vargas worth anything? His option is actually pretty cheap for next year and we need to fill spots. Could see him kept.

Ill always hate the Marlins so lets bounce back and take this series. LGM!
audition time for Syndergaard  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 5:05 pm : link

hope you don't mind me cluttering up the game thread with this (Mets future pudge):


Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO

Mets catcher prospect Francisco Alvarez has been an offensive beast to begin in pro career.

17-year-old is hitting .388/.509/.673 with 5 doubles, 3 homers, and 14 RBI in 14 games between GCL and Kingsport
2:50 PM - 13 Jul 2019


Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO

Michael Mayer Retweeted Michael Mayer

Reports when the Mets signed Alvarez questioned whether he would stay behind the plate. Talked to multiple people recently that raves about his D behind the plate. I saw a strong arm this spring.
Definitely welcome minor league updates in game threads...  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 5:08 pm : link
Not much to clutter with so few posting these days... All good though.
Alvarez looks like the goods  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 5:08 pm : link
Just hard to get excited about a kid so far away. Maybe we see him in 4 years?
Also dont see Syndergaard shopped  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 5:11 pm : link
Obviously, if some team comes back with a huge haul we need to consider it, but we wont be the ones calling teams IMO.
No he won't be shopped  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 5:24 pm : link
and the asking price is high, but many teams looking for starting pitching and if there is an offer that makes sense the Mets should listen.

In the trade deadline thread I posted a tweet about the Mets asking price and it seems like BVW has received calls already.
trades  
Hilary : 7/13/2019 5:43 pm : link
Very hard to think that Brodie VW will turn this team around.
Agree Hilary  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 5:54 pm : link
it's a lost cause, if I were you I'd give up, root for another team and cease posting on any future Mets threads.
they will win more games in the 2nd half bc there's less pressure  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2019 6:05 pm : link
since the season is over. Just like last year.

A lot of what BVW said yesterday was disappointing but he pegged the correct problems on the field. Lack of fundamentals, never doing the little things right, poor defense up the middle, and bullpen. Same as they have been for a long time.

The biggest thing he didn't mention is organizational leadership, which is the #1 problem, but at least he's not blind to the other stuff. It is on him to be a leader going forward and to make moves that fix those problems instead of making them worse. After 20 years I'm not sure it's possible under the wilpons.
We had arguably the toughest schedule in baseball  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 6:09 pm : link
over the first half and the schedule finally balances out going forward so that's the main reason we should faire better. Also, certain talented players like Syndergaard, Wheeler, and possibly even Cano should even out more over the second half IMO. I expect a strong finish.
they are the 2nd worst team in the NL so there's only 1 way to go  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2019 6:46 pm : link
unless they keep losing to the Marlins. Unfortunately the truth of the matter is nothing matters until Mickey is gone. There's been no lasting progression of anything under him as manager, just underperformance and outright failure. The longer he's around this organization the more chance bad habits and the loser stench of no accountability rubs off on the good players we do have.

As Brodie was describing how the team is so bad at all the little things + fundamentals that lose games yesterday Francesa had a great response pointing out "wouldn't that indicate you're not happy with the way the team is being coached/managed?" - which is exactly why it was so cowardly to not fire the guy when he so clearly blew a gasket last month. He's been an embarrassment in every way. But that's cool - we're the Mets and embarrassments are welcomed from the owner's box down.
Holy shit  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 7:02 pm : link
check out the movement on this CU from Syndergaard.


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Anyone  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 7:04 pm : link
who suggests again that trading Conforto is part of a rebuild should no longer post on Mets threads.

RE: Holy shit  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14498228 pjcas18 said:
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check out the movement on this CU from Syndergaard.
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The guy has as much ability as anyone in baseball. Would be nuts to trade him unless someone offers something insane. Maybe, just maybe, we should see what happens with better D, a real manager, and a non-awful BP before casting him off.
Also  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 7:07 pm : link
in case some of you were not aware Dilson Herrera back with the Mets after opting out of his contract, getting multiple other minor league offers, then deciding to re-sign with the Mets.

He's playing 1B tonight (for some reason), I liked him when they acquired him the first time, he had a debilitating shoulder (?) injury and he's coming back, could be a decent utility guy at some point. He's still only 25. 17 HR's in Syracuse.
Someone needs to tell me  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 7:10 pm : link
if Branden Fryman is legit. He just keeps hitting in BK (.412 on the season, with a SSS).

21 year old son of Travis Fryman. Mets drafted him twice. Both late, and he's not considered a prospect as far as I know, just not sure why.

He's 21 in BK, but it's his first pro season.

RE: Anyone  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14498229 pjcas18 said:
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who suggests again that trading Conforto is part of a rebuild should no longer post on Mets threads.


The only players they should trade are veterans if they can get anything for them at all. Frazier, Vargas, Lagares, Ramos.

I'd consider dealing Wheeler but only if he's bringing back a prospect on the level of Vientos/Kay/SWR. Otherwise may as well try to resign him with the QO.

The only other guy I'd consider dealing is Lugo if he can bring back a really good return like Brad hand last year or Sean Doolittle a few years back. Lugo has a bunch of years of team control, if he could bring back 1 or 2 top 100 prospects I think you'd have to do it. I like Lugo a lot but he's a solid near 30 year old middle reliever. You can spend money for guys like that in FA.
I read an interesting take  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 7:18 pm : link
and unfortunately I might agree with it.

If the Mets trade Wheeler it puts the return for him in BVW's hands. If they hold onto him and offer the QO and he obviously declines and signs LT somewhere, the compensation for him is determined by amateur scouting.

The people I read that from greatly prefer the latter.
Some minor inside info  
CMicks3110 : 7/13/2019 7:35 pm : link
I was at a party this afternoon and met a guy who does business with Jeff Wilpon. I wont be specific about business or who he is, but said that he didnt find Jeff very smart, said that he was a bit of a know-it-all, but also said that word is Brodie is very good, and very strong, and Jeff basically said you have 3 years to produce.

General take-away was that Brodie is the goods, at least behind the scenes, and he is in complete command of the room, and wont let Jeff meddle.
Cano  
GF1080 : 7/13/2019 7:37 pm : link
Lazy applied tag and we don't get the runner at 2B. I can't beleve i Have to watch 4 more years of this garbage.
Noah is just an average pitcher  
Rflairr : 7/13/2019 7:38 pm : link
He is what he is
RE: Noah is just an average pitcher  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14498248 Rflairr said:
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He is what he is


He is this year (his career numbers are clearly better than average), but his he has plus stuff. Which is what makes him frustrating.
Not sure Tony D's  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 7:56 pm : link
MLB upside, he has a weird 3/4 delivery and he's a little old I think for A+ (23), but he's been effective in STL.


Mathew Brownstein
‏ @MBrownstein89
5m5 minutes ago

Tony Dibrells line for St. Lucie today:

6.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 4 SO

90 pitches (55 for strikes)

Hes gone at least six innings without allowing more than two ER in four of his last five starts. #Mets #LGM
There's been a Cano  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 8:39 pm : link
sighting.

but...there's the bullpen....coming up.
And Syndergaard  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 8:45 pm : link
was anything but average tonight. Yes, the Marlins are not Murderers row, but he had great stuff tonight.

7 IP, 2 ER, 0 BB, 9 K's

RE: And Syndergaard  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14498278 pjcas18 said:
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was anything but average tonight. Yes, the Marlins are not Murderers row, but he had great stuff tonight.

7 IP, 2 ER, 0 BB, 9 K's


He was actually throwing his slider tonight which is encouraging.
So while I know that's not gonna happen, nor the usual approach  
ChaChing : 7/13/2019 8:57 pm : link
for many teams, I would not be taking Lugo out next inning. Obviously get Diaz up just in case, but I hate when they force the 7-8-9 inning script instead of sticking with whats working that day. Next RP is no guarantee to be better when pulling the guy who was in the groove last inning

Obviously there's more to it in terms of the season, resting guys, making sure they get enough work...but after Diaz' first half IMO why risk it here? Not sure if pitcher was hitting this inning, but I might let Lugo hit just to give him a shot at the 9th after a strong 8th
Brett Baty  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2019 8:58 pm : link
with his 2nd HR tonight in KING
RE: So while I know that's not gonna happen, nor the usual approach  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14498281 ChaChing said:
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for many teams, I would not be taking Lugo out next inning. Obviously get Diaz up just in case, but I hate when they force the 7-8-9 inning script instead of sticking with whats working that day. Next RP is no guarantee to be better when pulling the guy who was in the groove last inning

Obviously there's more to it in terms of the season, resting guys, making sure they get enough work...but after Diaz' first half IMO why risk it here? Not sure if pitcher was hitting this inning, but I might let Lugo hit just to give him a shot at the 9th after a strong 8th


Yeah especially since they tend to stay away from Lugo two nights in a row. So if you know he's unavailable tomorrow, I would be tempted to let him go another. Of course, Diaz will come in however.
RE: Brett Baty  
ZGiants98 : 7/13/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14498282 pjcas18 said:
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with his 2nd HR tonight in KING


Cant wait to follow this kid. Really this entire draft is very exciting..
Good point...more so because of the next day off rule w/ him  
ChaChing : 7/13/2019 9:02 pm : link
might as well trot him out. He was dealing for his 3 ABs
RE: RE: Brett Baty  
Mike in NY : 7/13/2019 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14498285 ZGiants98 said:
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with his 2nd HR tonight in KING



Cant wait to follow this kid. Really this entire draft is very exciting..


Too bad they will trade him for crap so Wilpon can claim that they are trying to be competitive.
Callaway for Kapler  
dep026 : 7/13/2019 10:46 pm : link
Phillies fan would do it in a nanosecond.
.  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2019 1:30 pm : link

Mets Daddy
‏ @MetsDaddy2013
2m2 minutes ago

One of the craziest positive developments from the 2019 season has been Smith at a 1 DRS in LF.

Yes, its a very SSS, but seeing him play LF last year, no one could have foreseen that happening.
McNeil  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2019 1:34 pm : link
leadoff HR, Mets up 1 - 0
RE: .  
Metnut : 7/14/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14498503 pjcas18 said:
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Mets Daddy
‏ @MetsDaddy2013
2m2 minutes ago

One of the craziest positive developments from the 2019 season has been Smith at a 1 DRS in LF.

Yes, its a very SSS, but seeing him play LF last year, no one could have foreseen that happening.


He needs to play every day (sans rest) the rest of the year. Even when Nimmo is back. None of Conforto, Nimmo, McNeil or Alonso should ever sit (other than for rest)
Ex-Met  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2019 2:16 pm : link
prospect, Cesar Puello, is the Marlins CF.

Didn't realize that.

Puello had 5 tools as a prospect IFA.

He's 28 now and seems like a mostly career minor leaguer - until now. He has a really good 22 year old season with the Mets in BING and then I think he was suspended for PED's in the biogenesis scandal.
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 7/14/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14498503 pjcas18 said:
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Mets Daddy
‏ @MetsDaddy2013
2m2 minutes ago

One of the craziest positive developments from the 2019 season has been Smith at a 1 DRS in LF.

Yes, its a very SSS, but seeing him play LF last year, no one could have foreseen that happening.


" The other thing to remember is that DRS isnt going to work well in small sample sizes, especially a couple of months or less. Once you get to one and three-year samples, its a relatively solid metric but defensive itself is quite variable so you need a good amount of data for the metrics to become particularly useful. Theres plenty more to say about this issue, but thats for another entry. In general, DRS isnt perfect because it doesnt factor in shifts, positioning, and cant perfectly measure everything it needs to, but its still among the best options out there.
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Marlins  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2019 2:19 pm : link
pitcher walks deGrom to load the bases.

Has got to drive a manage crazy to see that.
Conforto  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2019 2:25 pm : link
makes them pay with a single, Mets lead back to 2, 2 outs.
Cano a triple shy of the  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2019 3:25 pm : link
cycle. Somebodys getting hotter....
Mets  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2019 3:44 pm : link
getting familia-ed

And people got mad when he was compared to Armando Benitez.

so similar. Great stuff, stretches of brilliance, and some awful, inconsistent, long stretches.
Lugo  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2019 3:44 pm : link
comes in to save the day.
For  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2019 3:44 pm : link
now.
Nice series win...  
ZGiants98 : 7/14/2019 4:32 pm : link
Nice to see Cano heating up and for Degrom to get a rare Sunday win..
RE: RE: Holy shit  
Vanzetti : 7/14/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14498230 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14498228 pjcas18 said:


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check out the movement on this CU from Syndergaard.
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The guy has as much ability as anyone in baseball. Would be nuts to trade him unless someone offers something insane. Maybe, just maybe, we should see what happens with better D, a real manager, and a non-awful BP before casting him off.


Mets asked for Gore from San Diego. So I dont think BVW is going to trade him for lesser prospects. If I had to bet, I would say he stays a Met
MIchael Mayer has taken over DMM's minors thread  
pjcas18 : 7/15/2019 8:34 am : link
only without the commentary (twitter limits)

Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
11m11 minutes ago

Mets Minors notable hitters 7/14

Syracuse
Ruben Tejada 3-4, 2 RBI

Binghamton
Barrett Barnes 1-4, HR, 2 RBI

St. Lucie
Carlos Cortes 2-5, 2 2B

Columbia
Mark Vientos 3-6, HR
Shervyen Newton 3-6, HR

Brooklyn
Luke Ritter 2-3, BB

Kingsport
Francisco Alvarez 2-3, 1.189 OPS



Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
8m8 minutes ago

Mets Minors notable pitchers 7/14

Syracuse
Ervin Santana 7 IP, 3 ER, 3 K

Binghamton
Tommy Wilson 6 IP, 0 R, 3 K

Columbia
Daison Acosta 6 IP, 0 R, 9 K
Jose Butto 5 IP, 0 R, 8 K

Brooklyn
Matt Cleveland 6.1 IP, 0 R, K

Kingsport
Nate Peden 5 IP, ER, 4 K
Getting  
DanMetroMan : 7/15/2019 10:00 am : link
absolutely nothing out of Cleveland and Planck sure didn't help the SP depth. Not that HS pitchers are great bets but jeez.
there goes that  
pjcas18 : 7/15/2019 3:05 pm : link



Matt Ehalt
‏Verified account @MattEhalt

Zack Wheeler, the Mets' top trade chip, going on the IL, source confirms. @timbhealey had it.

Right shoulder fatigue.
3:01 PM - 15 Jul 2019
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