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Warren Sharp @SharpFootball What was Eli Manning doing? 3rd & goal: Odell Beckham is inexplicably left wide open for the easiest passing TD vs the #27 pass D... but with plenty of time on the play clock, Eli fails to audible & instead runs Saquon into a loaded box of the #11 run D. |
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| Kurt Warner @kurt13warner · 3h Replying to @SharpFootball and @EDnSantaPaula How is it a loaded box? 6 blockers and 6 defenders? Guy on outside to right is insignificant to run to left... only thing against his was the front! He looks at BOX & if 6v6 u run it, don’t even consider changing unless u recognize uncovered man! |
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| Joseph Raycraft @gofastjoey · 3h Replying to @kurt13warner @SharpFootball and @EDnSantaPaula but isnt the point him missing the uncovered man? who, in this case, happens to be one of the best in the league |
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| Kurt Warner @kurt13warner Replying to @gofastjoey @SharpFootball and @EDnSantaPaula Not really - bc when condensed like that in tight RZ - to attack that small area w/ an audible is hard to do! The best they could of hoped for is eye contact & pop up & hit it... but what if the QB thinks his WR sees it & doesn’t & he forgets run to pop to OBJ & he goes to block! |
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So then what is the point?
As Britt said above:
Do you want to go around in circles or do you want to go ahead and acknowledge what most on here already know that what Warren Sharp just did on twitter yesterday is a common occurrence right here on this board?
We can get cute and cherry pick all day long, but it would be a lot easier to just acknowledge that the sentiment exists and get on with it.
The numbers themselves have been mediocre-at-best for going on three years now, and so has the W-L record with the exception of 2016.
Perceptions will only get better if both improve; someone's misdiagnoses of a play isn't going to move the needle.
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Isn't that the play where the coach literally said "throw it to Beckham?"
Do you want to go around in circles or do you want to go ahead and acknowledge what most on here already know that what Warren Sharp just did on twitter yesterday is a common occurrence right here on this board?
We can get cute and cherry pick all day long, but it would be a lot easier to just acknowledge that the sentiment exists and get on with it.
I'm not denying that all -- I think plenty of folks post emotional opinions as fact, and exaggerate the thoughts of others as well to support their claims.
I think you inject that type of thinking into your posts on Manning quite frequently and it's the same type of logical fallacy.
Incomplete and unsubstantiated opinion. I think that's exact what you did, posting a thread about a play where the coach literally in the moment criticized Manning as evidence of some deeper trend to unfairly get after Manning.
I could dig up other examples. You and I both know that, they wouldn't be hard to find. Just seems unnecessary.
That was just the first one that popped up.
I got it wrong??? Really... you didn’t say it was Eli’s fault for OBJ stopping when he thought it was open? I remember you specifically saying it didn’t matter what Eli thought. He should have thrown it when he wasn’t open and not read the defense and that you and you’re drunken buddies in the section agreed. And when people said that Witten blames OBJ, you dismissed it.
I got it wrong? Hmmmm...
Eli has been under pressure too but he has no interest to look downfield either. None
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2018 9:21 pm : link
there.
Lord...
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14140485 crick n NC said:
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Says over the experts here.
Eli holds the ball and gets bitched at, he checks it down and gets bitched at
Typical. Defenders of the Faith...unite
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2018 9:39 pm : link
He was wide open and needed the ball thrown to him. It would have bern a TD. Case closed.
Everybody in my section said same thing...
Now I’m sure you’re going to spin this shit as if you never said it... and make up shit as if you know what you’re talking about. But you were wrong again. It’s a common theme.
Pages 14-18 if you want to read your moronic takes.
LOL at the chucklehead... - ( New Window )
Personally, I feel Manning is so over analyzed he's actually underrated at this point, and I don't even think he's very good.
On this play, it made me remember the many anecdotes from Burress and Toomer on their non-verbal, unscripted communication. Things like head nods, or risking motion penalties to getting the QBs attention if wide open.
I suspect you need an line you explicitly trust to play that game in a game.
If your take is that it boils down to "trust" you've 100% missed the point. The issue being discussed, as far as the play itself is concerned, has nothing at all to do with "trust" and everything to do with knowledge and communication among 11 people on a football field.
Because there are posters who call the two SB wins outliers and spend a lot of time trying to defend that position.
There's always reference to "both sides" on Eli, but the motivation for one side to admire him is fairly easy to figure out and rationalize.
the side that bashes him is the side that is a lot harder to figure out. What's the motivation?
Because there are posters who call the two SB wins outliers and spend a lot of time trying to defend that position.
There's always reference to "both sides" on Eli, but the motivation for one side to admire him is fairly easy to figure out and rationalize.
the side that bashes him is the side that is a lot harder to figure out. What's the motivation?
To prove they were right in 2004 that we gave up too much for him.
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Personally, I feel Manning is so over analyzed he's actually underrated at this point, and I don't even think he's very good.
On this play, it made me remember the many anecdotes from Burress and Toomer on their non-verbal, unscripted communication. Things like head nods, or risking motion penalties to getting the QBs attention if wide open.
I suspect you need an line you explicitly trust to play that game in a game.
If your take is that it boils down to "trust" you've 100% missed the point. The issue being discussed, as far as the play itself is concerned, has nothing at all to do with "trust" and everything to do with knowledge and communication among 11 people on a football field.
I have literally no idea what you are referring to, I'm simply noting if players are going to go off script and the other 9 guys *not* know it, the QB has to trust the line will hold up.
This is something Manning has expressed he's done with some regularity with his receivers.
Because there are posters who call the two SB wins outliers and spend a lot of time trying to defend that position.
There's always reference to "both sides" on Eli, but the motivation for one side to admire him is fairly easy to figure out and rationalize.
the side that bashes him is the side that is a lot harder to figure out. What's the motivation?
To a man, I can't think of any pro-Eli guy that was upset when we drafted Daniel Jones, or even before when it was becoming clear we were planning for the future of the position post Manning.
What is hard to understand is the relentless bashing of him on the way out. And it is relentless, and it's not confined to this board either. What prompts a guy like Warren Sharp to post a single play from November in July, not to mention a game Manning won with a 4th quarter comeback game winning drive and TD throw? Where does that come from?
this.
No one is bashing Eli anymore. People may bash the org's handling of the QB position, but the debate on his ability has been very very quiet.
No one is bashing Eli anymore. People may bash the org's handling of the QB position, but the debate on his ability has been very very quiet.
Hmm 🤔
Where is the apology post from the next day?
Where is the apology post from the next day?
You were clearly wrong and won’t admit it. Shocking huh son? No any more lying and you’re grounded!!!
Amazing, huh?
This is why you apologized after the game as I recall..
It’s so pathetic you just can’t admit being wrong. I showed the quotes. I showed the thread and you still can’t admit it.
I haven’t attacked anyone. Just pointing out the obvious with actual proof from threads which were posted on in the past.
Go find the apology and use it again...
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and ended up reading another thread that devolved into another user being attacked by dep. Shocking.
I haven’t attacked anyone. Just pointing out the obvious with actual proof from threads which were posted on in the past.
So calling posters drunks is a compliment in your mind?
To any alcoholics on the site, Dep send his best wishes...
It does keep me amused.
It does keep me amused.
I call BS! Nothing keeps you amused you crotchety ‘Ol bastid! NTTAWWT
Actually I have a HOF on my side. You have the guys who couldn’t see a naked chick a row in front of them but somehow can disssct a play from over hundred yards away...
But keeping bring the HOFs to "your side". Maybe he will mention you in his speech at Canton too...
But keeping bring the HOFs to "your side". Maybe he will mention you in his speech at Canton too...
Again it’s nice you know more football than actual hall of fame players.
Forget the fact that you can’t even understand a simple route concept where a player is suppose to be when it’s a zone defense. You don’t even understand that Eli was throwing to a spot even before OBJ turned around(which was shown at halftime and told by the analysts saying that Eli reads zone correctly and throws it to the right spot.)
But again... you’re never wrong, right?
1. You made a bunch of stupid statement using “fans” as your backup.
2. People on this site tried to explain why you were wrong.
3. A hall of famer explained in detail why your thought was wrong.
4. They showed replays of Eli throwing it before OBJ getting out of his break.
Yet you STILL won’t admit you’re wrong. It’s sad. It’s pathetic. It’s you. Grow up.
When you start to understand why QBs throw to certain spots dictated by either zone or man defense, then come talk football with me or anyone here. Until then, continue with your stupid nicknames, stalking ways...
Keep it simple and you will be wrong less often, “son”...
Knows more than everyone.
I’m sure he will break down and admit that you are just so much smarter than all of the coaches and players in the league.
Cause you know son, you’re never wrong!
LMAO and Jason Witten, Kurt Warner, Matt Hasselbeck, etc... who all said during the game and post game that OBJ screwed up. But what do they know, right?
But again, you’re never wrong!
To a man, I can't think of any pro-Eli guy that was upset when we drafted Daniel Jones, or even before when it was becoming clear we were planning for the future of the position post Manning.
What is hard to understand is the relentless bashing of him on the way out. And it is relentless, and it's not confined to this board either. What prompts a guy like Warren Sharp to post a single play from November in July, not to mention a game Manning won with a 4th quarter comeback game winning drive and TD throw? Where does that come from?